THINK TWICE BEFORE GETTING AN OES!
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| If you've read this forum you probably already know that most of us already have at least one OES. I haven't been on this forum for very long, but everybody here seems pretty up front about the fact that OESs are not for everybody and that they are indeed a great deal of work. This is exactly what I tell everybody who tells me how cute mine are and how much they want one: I tell them that if they don't have at least an hour a day for grooming, time for at least 4 walks a day, and don't want a dog that wants to be right next to you most of the day, it's not the dog for you. Oh, and at least one training class is (or should be) mandatory.
If you are really unhappy with your choice, which can happen no matter how much research you do beforehand, please either return your puppies to the breeder or else contact the nearest OES rescue. There's a link on this forum to rescue organizations specifically for OES. Click here: http://www.oes.org/html/oes_rescue.shtml I am currently raising 2 puppies myself so I honestly do know how much work and time and effort it takes. I understand how frustrating it can be. I hope that you will do the right thing for your puppies and either return them to the breeder who could find them a more suitable home, or else contact your nearest OES rescue organization. |
| Oh I will find them good homes to go to. I'm not just going to give them to a rescue or to anyone as far as that goes. I paid $700 for him and $1000 for her (snow cap). I want to try to atleast get half my money back. They are beautiful puppies, But not very smart! |
| I am sorry you feel this way about your dogs. Please contact the breeder you purchased these pups from and try to work something out. OES are not dumb they are very intellegent, and a wonderful breed to own (this is my second sheepy) I have two Labs, a German Shepherd and an Old English Sheepdog. My Sheepdog was rescued at 14 weeks and by eleven months had already passed his CGC. He was in training 8 weeks and I worked with him at home.Everyone comments on how well behaved he is, I explain to them that it took time to get him this well behaved. I do GSD rescue and take turns taking each of my dogs to events, my Sheepy gets more attention than of the other breeds I own . Everyone wants one because they are so cute. They require a lot of time and attention but it is worth it. All dogs no matter what the breed need training, consistency and patience.(Plus lots of love) Any dog will run amuck if left to their own devices. I don't know what you have done with your dogs but have yet to see any dog that did not do well with the above mentioned. I don't know how old your dogs are but it does take time. I wish you luck with your dogs. |
| When we got our first OES, not only had I never been around the breed, but I didn't even know anyone who had one. We were lucky to have gotten a really easy puppy who trained us quickly. In my corner of Minnesota, there aren't many other OES owners around. I really wish I had known about this forum back then (if it was in existance). Books are one thing, reality is another.
Are there very many other OES's around where you are? Sometimes it can really help to visit with someone who is really experienced with the breed? |
I'm so sorry you have had such a bad experience with these dogs. They certainly are not a breed for everyone. As a herding breed they require a lot of time and energy and patience  in addition to all of their grooming requirements. Many people are attracted to the breed for their "clownish" attitude, but others can be repelled by this breed charateristic as well.
I am glad you will be looking for a good home for your dogs. Please keep rescue in mind as these groups place OES with families that will suit their needs and fit personality wise. They may be able to offer you suggestions as to what makes a good OES home so you can place your dogs in a home where they will thrive. I hope in the future you can experience the wonderful qualities of this great breed as I have met many intelligent, bright, and friendly OES.  |
| I think it's very good advice to think twice before getting an OES.
I hope you find a good home for your puppies. If you contact a rescue, they just might be able to help you find someone who might be willing to help you with some of the expenses you've already had. The first step would be to call a rescue, and explain to them, calmly, exactly the same things you just explained to us. Good luck. |
| Please contact the breeder you purchased your dogs from. They should be willing to refund part or all of your money in return for surrendering the dogs back to them.
If the breeder is unwilling to do so, I urge you to please contact the OES Rescue nearest you so that they can place the dogs with a family that has prior OES experience. |
| I'm so sorry you're not enjoying your oes... and that it's not working out, if your breeder will not take them back I really do hope you contact a rescue. As Ron mentioned, even if you don't want to turn them into a rescue, perhaps they can put you in touch with great oes homes who would be willing to help you to recover your costs. |
| In previous post you mentioned that you "rescued" the male. Now we see that you "bought" him for $700. Not quite the same thing.
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?p=106219#106219 And I'm sure that our George, who is a member here, would have some other opinions on how trainable they are. He is doing obedience and agility with his 2 adults. OES's are wonderful, smart and lots of fun. If you are having trouble training them perhaps it would be a good idea to take a refresher coarse. They are a lot of fun, and may not take things as seriously as somepeople would like them to. That is why they are so loveable...they just want to have fun  |
| I am sorry this breed has not worked out for you and you are right OES are not for everyone BUT you can apply that for any breed of dog too.
Having two puppies at the same time is not wise either, as they are a late maturing breed. To say they are dumb, well you don't know the breed at all very well. They were originally bred for Working/Herding and are a active breed that needs time and energy given to them to teach & train them. As a mature breed they are very intelligent, smart etc etc. we have ones that have there obedience titles CD, CDX & UD. Also ones with Herding Titles and an OES here that has it's tracking Titles. They do well at Agility too and are very trainable and intelligent in the proper home. Sometimes they are too smart for there own good, but again time and patients as a baby and they make wonderful companions as mature dogs. It really sounds like the best thing you can do is re-home these pups as they certainly sound like they are not for you. I hope you do that approprately too and not just sell them to anyone for the money back. As everyone else said, contact a OES rescue group or the breeder, both might have people on there lists waiting for youngsters and are willing to re-imburse you part of the purchase cost. I hope you do that soon as by your post you sound like you hate the breed. Good luck and do the right thing for these puppies. |
| Anyone interested in any purebred dog you should do a lot of research on the breed before deciding to get one.
I grew up with an OES and always wanted another. I now have two VERY smart Sheepies. Of all the Breeds I have owned these dogs are the most lovable, most faithful and very willing to learn new things. Mine can be very clumsy and dopey, but they are very intelligent dogs. I am sorry to hear about the way your dogs are. Have you brought them for training? |
| Im sorry that you feel this way. Before Panda I had only had Golden retrievers. I now wouldnt trade 10 goldens for my one sheepdog.
Like anything else in life, you get out of it what you put into it....they do require training and patience. If youre not willing or able to put forth the effort that these dogs take, then no, this breed isnt for you. I guess my question is this, if you were unsure of the breed why did you buy 2 right off the bat? I know personally that any 2 dogs breed excluded can mean more than double the work. I am sorry that things didnt work out and I hope you find loving homes for them. I hope you find a breed of dog that works better with your lifestyle. |
| First I have to say , everyone seems to be taking this very well, and have offered this person great advice. I hope she will listen!
Second, it really disappoints me when people don't teach their dogs basic obedience training, and then blame it on the dog. If millions and millions of dogs can learn it, I'm sure 2 more can. Third, the dogs are both puppies right? It takes time and patience to teach an animal to fit into your lifestyle. If you have only had these puppies for a couple months and expect them to be perfect, you didn't research the breed very well after all. I'm sorry both dogs are not working out in your household and hope you take the time to find them good homes. |
| Well, I'm the George referred to above. Correction, dogs not working agility, but I placed the CGC on them within 2 months of training, Placed the CD on them with 4 months of training, and we are going for the CDX in Sept. with 4 month training. I've never trained dogs in my life, although owned many dogs, mostly Collies, the trainer I work with who has trained many breeds, especially GSD, over 45 years thinks my two are as smart as any he has trained.
Early on I realized that the breed requires a real committment of time, mainly training and grooming. Like a very intelligent kid, if they are not challenged, they will burn of their energy in behavior that begs attention. Nevertheless I applaud you for your honest evaluation of your situation and believe that finding a more suitable home(s) for each of them is only fair to both you and the dogs. Best wishes and keep in touch. On the other hand, if you should begin to question your decision and care to discuss specific issues whose resolution might make the situation more tolerable, your welcome to PM me, and I sure all the other members would likewise be happy to help. They have been a great source of support to me during my initiation. |
tammypat wrote: Oh I will find them good homes to go to. I'm not just going to give them to a rescue or to anyone as far as that goes. I paid $700 for him and $1000 for her (snow cap). I want to try to atleast get half my money back. They are beautiful puppies, But not very smart!
If the breeder is unable to take them back it is possible that we can help you find someone looking for a puppy or two, if we knew where abouts they are located. Or perhaps it would be easier if you just had one puppy to spend time with. Something to think about... |
tammypat wrote: I got me a male and female a few months ago and now I'm ready to sell them.
I commend you for realizing this is a breed not for you before it's too late. PLEASE, I strongly urge you just to turn these dogs over to rescue if your breeder won't take them back. I'm sorry that you spent the money on them that you did, but perhaps you can just look past the financial aspect, and do what is right for the dogs. Thank you for listening and I hope everything works out for you in the long run. Please, once again, think about what is right for the dogs. You may have your opinion about them but an experienced sheepdog home might be able to do wonders for the dogs rather than selling them to another home that might end up abusing them, or worse. |
| Wow. I have never heard anything like this. My boyfriend and I waited years before we got our OES. We needed to make sure we were doing the right thing for the dog. When you have a dog, just like when you have a baby, you need to understand that things will not always go like you want them to. Our OES Dixie was crate trained, and was potty trained in 2 DAYS. She is smarter than a lot of people I know. She can retrieve toys by name, and even though she is stubborn, she is an exceptionally smart dog. She is 1 1/2 years old, and you couldn't pry her out of my arms. I hope you do the right thing for the dogs. If you live in Los Angeles, I will help you place them. All living creatures deserve a life filled with love and care. Do the right thing. |
I don't hate these dogs. I it might sound that way, But I don't hate any animal. Like I said I been around a lot of different breeds and have never experienced this before. For example my Father has a Pekingese that had puppies 8 weeks ago and they have been using the wee-wee paper for at least 2 weeks. My OES are 5 1/2 and 3 months 4 months old and they don't even try to go outside. And if you scare my male in anyway he will pee all over himself lol. The Pekingese can bark at him and he will pee where he's at. I don't mean to offend other OES owners. I'm just going on my own personal experience and I'm not impressed. They act like they have no common sense at all. Anyway's I have a fence in yard so I had to put them outside because they were pooping on my beds and couch! Now I've even had to tie him up because he will jump the fence and case my neighbors. The last time he did jump the fence my husband had to go over to the neighbors house and literally pick him up and carry him back home. He kept running from him and when he caught him he even bit him in his face! That shows absolutely no respect to man. A dog should never bite his owner. I guess that was the last straw. I would also like to mention that both of these puppies are from different litters, So that's why I believe it is just the breed. Even though I know that aren't inbreeds they sure do act like it. lol I just want to warn people not to spend their hard earn money on this breed. They are very beautiful dogs but they have no common sense! I can't believe these dogs sell for so much! FYI I never said that I rescued these dogs. And no one needs to worry about their well being. They are taking good care of. I even let them come in the house today until the jump on the dinning room table and knocked everything down.  I will be looking for a good home. So if you know of any let me know. Thanks!
Tammy |
| WOW! Although you say you do not hate these dogs, everything else
you say seems to say otherwise. Especially the part about warning people not to spend the money on one. IMHO there are very few dumb dogs, but many not so smart owners. Everything you mentioned could be addressed by someone willing to take the time. I sure hope you find that person. Shellie |
| Tammy, where are you located? It would help us to know where you are so that someone on this forum might know someone in your general area or able to travel to your area if they are interested in the puppies.
I think that it is a mistake to try to compare any large breed dog with any small breed dog in terms of maturity. Larger dogs, such as OES are not really full grown until they are 18 months to 2 years. Smaller dogs are more mature earlier. It's just they way they are. They are also not the breed of dog I would recommend to anyone who hasn't raised puppies before. They really are time consuming. And two at a time is really hard! I know: that's what I'm doing and even though I've raised 2 other OES before, I have to admit that two are much harder than I thought they would be. Mostly, OESs are puppies at heart well into their later years. However, as much as I adore my dogs, I really do know that they are absolutely not the right breed of dog for everybody. |
tammypat wrote: Oh I will find them good homes to go to. I'm not just going to give them to a rescue or to anyone as far as that goes. I paid $700 for him and $1000 for her (snow cap). I want to try to atleast get half my money back. They are beautiful puppies, But not very smart!
Many dogs are only as smart as the person training them. It sounds like you didn't do enough research. I really admire your dedication and willingness to stick with your decision in choosing the breed, though. Oh, wait... |
| Mmmm maybe some people have lives and don't have all day to spend with a dog and post 1000's of forums and pictures on websites! |
| Tammy, yes, raising 2 puppies, especially OES puppies who are big and very energetic is really, really time consuming. If my husband didn't have such a flexible schedule, we wouldn't have even considered a puppy now.
There are people on this forum who would love to help you find homes for your puppies. It would really help if we knew in what area/state the puppies are. It sounds as though you'd like some help finding new homes for them. And it sounds like there are people who might be able to help. Please do let us hear from you. |
Umm, it's getting CATTY  in here....
Keep it nice |
tammypat wrote: Mmmm maybe some people have lives and don't have all day to spend with a dog and post 1000's of forums and pictures on websites!
Good thing you got 2 dogs then. |
| In other words get a life! |
| Tammy, is there anything that we can do to help you regarding the puppies? It seems like you must have thought someone here could help since you came to this forum. Please, let us hear from you. |
| Everyone please, lets not let this degenerate into name calling...
Let's remember our mantra... What was that again? Oh Yeah... Quote: "Write your posts as if you are chatting with a neighbor who you don't know very well, sitting at your kitchen table, sharing a cup of tea",
and "When reading a post, assume the poster meant no insult." On another note, Tammypat your emails are bouncing back, if people have been trying to send you emails through the forum, they aren't reaching you, and your topic reply notifications and your PM notifications are all bouncing back as well. Can you fix that? If you've sent Tammypat an email, she hasn't received them. Please wait until she says she's fixed the problem before you try again. Thanks. |
| I'm sorry things aren't working out for you. This breed requires a lot of love and attention. I think they are a lot like my young children with their needs - Jasper is anyway. He craves stimulation, love, and attention. Based on my experience, I'd never call this breed stupid. Silly, yes. Clumsy, sometimes. Hyper, very. A little training goes a long way with them though. I'm a busy mom (have a 3 year old and a 5 year old), so nearly all my focus is on them everyday. Once they go to bed, Jasper gets the attention from us. For the past 18 months that we've had Jasper, I've spent a measly 20 minutes a day with him focused on teaching him things. He's picked up on everything fairly quickly, and although most of his tricks are just cute ones and nothing extremely impressive, he learns them fast and does them without fail when we ask him to. For his basic commands, he knows the commands in English and sign language.
He's good to pick up on a lot of non-verbal cues also, like when I'm not feeling comfortable around someone. He stands between us as a barrier. I've had a lot of pets in my past, but I honestly don't think I've ever had one that is so in tune with my feelings. He knows exactly when I need him to be calm, hyper, playful, loving... Honestly, an OES was not my first choice when we were looking for a puppy. I wanted a smaller pet since our children were very young at the time (2 and 3). We spent a lot of time researching several breeds, and I think the OES was one of my last picks because of all the grooming required and size. My husband pushed me into the decision, and once I saw his picture from the breeder, I couldn't resist. It hasn't always been easy with Jasper, and it took a lot of work at the beginning. Here we are a year and a half later, and I couldn't imagine our family without him in it. He has become such an important part in all of our lives. They are a very dedicated breed, and I'm sorry you will not get to know the joys they bring.  I imagine two puppies at once is hard, for anyone. One puppy was hard until the boundaries were set for us. I hope you take everyone's advice and talk to a rescue if you can not work something out. Have you talked to a trainer about them? Most of the issues sound like they can be fixed with some time. Have you tried crating your puppies for potty training? Jasper potty trained very quickly using that method. I can't remember exactly how long, I think a couple of weeks...definitely less than a month. We have a dog door for him, and he hasn't had a single accident in the house since then. That method works wonders. I hope everything turns out okay for your puppies. |
tammypat wrote: Mmmm maybe some people have lives and don't have all day to spend with a dog and post 1000's of forums and pictures on websites!
WHEW!!! Most of us on this forum have a extensive lives outside this fourm, families, jobs, friends hobbies, vounteer organizations. We are also very devoted to our animals and take the job of owning and caring for them quite seriously. There are many people on this forum who are extensively involved in true rescue efforts. We take the time to get involved in a forum like this so that we can learn about them and provide them with the best possible care for our animals. Most breeders and people who train dogs greatly discourage the practice of trying to raise two litter mates or two puppies at once because of the difficulties that may arise in doing so. Although some people are able to do so without problem the very issues that you discribe are some of the most common reasons given for not doing so. I can't imagine trying to train two young dogs and integrate them into your household at the same time, especially if you are inexperienced with OES and large breeds in general. This sounds like a very tragic situation. At this point financial gain or loss should be the least of your concerns. Finding a good loving home for these puppies with someone who is able to give them the time and the attention that they require should be your number one concern. Not every breed is for every person and it should not be considered a personal failing that you cannot handle these two dogs. But from what I have read, and please excuse me if I am misreading you, it does not sound like you are interested in learning how to train these dogs. If you are, please contact a professional as soon as possible, preferably one who uses "positive reward" training methods and will come to your home to help you sort this out. I feel very sorry for these puppies, dogs have a keen sense about them and I am sure they know just exactly how you feel about them. I am sure that is contributing to their behavior. OES are not stupid. I also feel very sorry for you that you will miss out on the lifetime of joy that these wonderful creatures can bring. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find a new home for these dogs. Don't let money be these issue when it comes to two living beings, to remain in your home in this atmosphere is damaging for all of you. There are people on this forum who will help. |
| OH MY! your dogs are left outside and one is even tied out! I can only see that this will make the situation worse. This is no life for a dog, especially an OES. I am really sorry this breed did not work for you but if you took the time to reasearch this breed and pay as much money as you did I would think you would want to do what is best for them. In my opinion the longer they live like this the worse they will become. There are so many people on this forum that would be willing to help you, even with getting a trainer. It seems to me that you have made up your mind that you don't want these dogs. That is fine but get some help with the placement before it is too late. AND I do have a life, a family,friends and do vol. work in dog rescue. I have raised two wonderful children and worked out side of the home as a emergency room nurse. I still took the time to train my dogs as well as my other responsibilities and enjoyed all of it. Maybe this is not the time in your life to do all of this.It seems really stressful for you and that takes the pleasure out of owing pets. Everyone on the forum just wants to help you make a decision because we love animals.
Again I hope things work out for you and urge you to consider OES rescue. |
| Tammypat, where are you located?
Please let a rescue come and help you out with these dogs. Everyone is a little upset because you slammed your sheepdogs on a sheepdog website, but we all just want what is best for the dogs. I am in SC, and foster dogs for the Sheepdog Rescue Network of the Southeast. Please contact me or any other rescue if you would like help. |
| Obviously everyone on this site loves this breed. I can see no reason for your original post as well as the follow up posts, other than to insight hostility. YET, everyone here has offered nothing but help and understand as well as a great deal of patients. All qualities that make them perfect owners for an OES.
Your position in this situation is not as important as your puppies. They have been unlucky enough to be placed with someone who obviously can't take care of them. Please calm your attitude long enough to be responsible and do the right thing for them. Don't make money an issue, please turn these puppies over to someone who will find them a good placement. |
| All I wanted to do was warn people about this breed. And voice my opinion about them. Just because you all are OES lovers doesn't mean that everyone is. Obviously that's why there are so many rescues for them probably more than any other breed. That should at least tell people something. You would think you are getting a good dog for the money you spend to get one, But that's misleading. These dogs should not be selling as much as they are and I want to make a difference in that also. It's great that all of you have these perfect dogs that you trained or was just borned perfect. BUT I guess in my case I got cheated, Because I probably got the two worse sheepdogs in the world. And once again they are not worth the price breeders are selling them for. All I'm saying is beware to people that are considering getting one. |
| Ron,
Did she put any location information on her profile. People are wanting to help and she doesn't seem to want our help. Is this another case of tanyathenurse or the other lady with Barnabas, who wrote for help and did it for attention? It kills me to think about her baby being tied outside. She has not even replied to the option of taking them back to the breeder. She talks about what she doesn't like about the dogs but isn' responding to offers of help or advice or questions. It seems she is playing on the emotions of the group just trying to upset people. I think the members have been wonderful so far in tolerating her vagueness, obtusness and OES bashing. I knew I shouldn't have read this post. I don't deal well with people like this one and seeing how hard the members are trying to help her. To feel helpless while someone mistreats there animals dispite offers for help. |
tammypat wrote: Obviously that's why there are so many rescues for them probably more than any other breed..
OBVIOUSLY, you didn't do your homework on the breed if you really think that there are so many rescues out there for them... 
I too am questioning your posts now since you don't have a legit email registered to the forum and you are not forthcoming about your general location either. There are people all over the world on this forum, and I'm sure if you put somewhat of a location, people will offer to take your dogs. Your dogs are young enough (THEY ARE PUPPIES!!!!) to undo any bad behaviors that have now been instilled in them. PLEASE respond to the people that honestly want to help you with your dogs if that is what you are really trying to achieve here. A "beware" post to potential sheepdog breeders is a little unecessary. People can read all about their behaviors, medical histories, etc. all over the internet. Most people know what they are in for when they get an OES, sorry that you didn't get the message! |
| First of all I did not ask for anyones help!! I said over and over again that I wanted to warn people about this breed of dog. Before I bought mine I came to this website and I wished someone would have warned me and not try and sugar coat their behavior, But tell it how it really is! |
tammypat wrote: Before I bought mine I came to this website and I wished someone would have warned me and not try and sugar coat their behavior, But tell it how it really is!
Maybe you didn't read the behavior part of the forum then???? Certainly not much sugar coating going on there/here. |
| Tammy you are trying to warn the people who love this breed to beware? That is a little weird. You have 2 puppies you don't like but won't let the folks who care deeply for this breed help in any way. When you write to warn people of a breed on their forum what do you expect? When we read that you have had to tie the male outside knowing they don't do well inthe heat, and isolating him will only make his submissive urinating worse what do you expect? Like the previous poster said you obviously didn't do much researce before buying the puppies or you would have known a little more about puppy behavior in general and what to look for in a breeder! Having been on a Newfoudland site and a Great Pyrenees site they both have their share of rescues too, unfortunately. |
| There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. Any dog can be trained if given the chance. Dogs go bad because they are not given the attention, love, and training they require. I am sorry if this offends you but it is true. It is also true that differnt breed characteristics work with different people.
OES are not "easy" dogs, I don't know of any large breed dog that is considered a "easy" dog. All dogs require hard work and dedication. It sounds like you did not do your homework and now you are trying to blame it on the dog. There are no more OES rescue sites than for any other breed. The majority of dogs that go into rescue do so because of ignorant owners, people who get dogs without knowing what they are getting into. Please find these dogs a new home before they are damaged beyond repair by your attitude and treatment. Hanahrose is in SC and has offered to help. |
| tammypat,
I understand that you feel that this breed of dogs are not for you and honestly I am glad you recognized the fact while the pups are still young. Please consider allowing Hannahrose to take the pups. Please? |
| The more I read these posts, the more I think that this must be a joke. Why in the world would someone come on a forum dedicated to the breed to blast them? The posts are almost purposefully comical:
Quote: I got me a male and female a few months ago and now I'm ready to sell them.
She admitted that she didn't want any help, she just wanted to "warn" people? Plus, she's basing the behavior of an entire breed based on a couple of dogs that sound like they weren't from a reputable breeder-- and they're puppies to boot. I wouldn't even fault that in this situation, but at the same time, you may have a tougher road ahead of you so you'd have to willing to make the committment of turning your dogs into good, well-trained dogs. No matter what breed, they don't train themselves. I don't think anyone has ever made a single effort to sugarcoat any behavioral problems that their dogs have here. Geez, there's an entire forum dedicated just to "Behavior" and the topics in there certainly are not all positive. There are things in there from jumping, nipping to aggression and bad habits. There isn't a single page that doesn't have a "negative" behavior on it! With that in mind, it would have been impossible to miss those things had any serious research been done. And, if research had been done, she would've known that these are not outside dogs and no dog deserves a life of being tied up. If this isn't a joke, the whole thing is pretty sickening and I really worry about the lives of these little pups. |
| I'm not giving these dogs to anyone. What? So they can make money off of them? NOPE! I'm going to sell them myself and get my money back. Or even better she might go into heat while I'm trying to sell them and then I can make some money off the puppies. And how can't a 100 pound dog be an outside dog? How stupid is that. These dogs are outside dogs. What did the heard inside? Never heard of that. And I have to tie him up or I will get fined for him jumping the fence! I checked with my local animal shelter about the laws here and they said it was ok to have him tied up as long as he's not tied up for more than 12 hrs at a time. These dogs are getting exercise, good food, water and are being groomed. I don't remember posting anything about abusing these dogs. They are being taking care of. But, I'm letting them back in my house. |
| If you wanted us all to have a warning, okay, we got your warning.
You refusing help with your dogs, tells me you are right where you want to be. Stop complaining and just go away. I feel sorry for you and your pets!!!! |
| At first I did think this was a joke, someone trolling just to stir things up.
But after several posts, I think maybe she is serious. No puppy trains itself. You have to teach a puppy what to do and what not to do. If someone "has a life" and really doesn't have the time to train a puppy into a well behaved dog maybe now isn't the time for them to get a puppy - let alone two. I agree OES aren't for everyone. OES are more for someone willing to take the time with the pup, time for grooming, play time, exercise time, training time... with patience. Someone who knows or is willing to learn about training and who realizes dogs really don't have "common sense." Someone who appreciates the wonderful OES personality, of which we here are all so fond. I think maybe this puppy purchase has been a serious mistake for tammypat. If they came from good breeders, they would almost certainly take them back or at least help place them. I have to agree with others in wondering why tammypat would go to a forum dedicated to OES and say some of these things. I don't think we have "sugar coated" anything, in fact I think we have been doing just the opposite. Many of us have had the very same problems mentioned in the original post, and have wrtitten about it here. Maybe the money is more important than having two playful untrained puppies placed in good homes? Anytime you buy or rescue a pet there is a chance that something will go wrong and there is also the chance that there will be additional costs. If you have the money to spend then it becomes a matter of priorities. The pet should really be more important than the money. I have to say I am glad tammypat decided not to keep the puppies. They should really be in more experienced hands, possibly avoiding future catastrophe. Shellie |
Quote: Or even better she might go into heat while I'm trying to sell them and then I can make some money off the puppies.
I believe that says it all. You're right, Shellie. This isn't a joke. This is just good old fashioned ignorance-- and that isn't meant in an inflammatory way, but in the true sense of the word. |
tammypat wrote: .....I will be looking for a good home. So if you know of any let me know. Thanks!...Tammy...
Tammy, before I offend you........I will take your dogs. How much do you want? Where can I pick them up at, and WHEN? Due to my husbands health I don't have time for games, I NEED serious answers. Rest assured, I have experience with OES. I was a breeder, and owner of OES for many years. Trust me, I can handle 2 pups. I know exactly what needs they have, and assure you they WILL be properly taken care of, and WILL BE GOING to a home suited for them. I had seven OES (various ages) in my household for many years, until death, and the possibility of it, dwindled their numbers. All of which I loved dearly. I KNEW what was best for them, and seen to it that they received it, regardless of how it effected me emotionly, or my life. I WILL share with your two pups that SAME ACT OF LOVE that I shared with my own!!! I will give them a new start with someone that knows, understands, and loves the breed, regardless of their faults. PLEASE, stop playing games. Be serious about this. If you're going to move them, you have plenty of people here that are willing to take them into their homes and treat those 2 pups like royalty! So, what is it? Do you want two pups you say you can't stand, or do you want CASH??? HINT: Every day you postpone costs you $$$. Unlike antiques, the value of pups decreases with age. And, every day you postpone costs those two pups time they could've spent with someone that loves them, nuturing them into the OES that we all love. Now to offend you with kindness: Get that pup off of that rope. I think they're afraid of you and your husband, and you're only making matters worse. In your first post you talked about all the things they did wrong, like pooping, peeing, getting into stuff, etc. They are BABIES. This is normal. You can't go to the hospital, say I'll take that one and take it home and expect it to know what to do. In your case you brought home twins. Twice the work. They have to be trained apart from one another. PLEASE consider all things, and do whats right for them, NOT you. |
| ahem.... the mantra applies even if someone calls you names so we don't reply in kind. I know it's hard to do, but it'll make us better people to successfully fight the urge to post down to name calling.
Or so I'm told.
Real or not we've given our best advice, which tammypat can use or not at her own discretion. |
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