Irresponsible dog OWNERS!!!
I was walking Peanut in the woods Sunday, like I always do, and he goes off leash. He is completely voiced command and will stop, stay and come when I tell him. He also wouldn't hurt a fly. He weighs about 100lbs and he will approach even the smallest of dogs very gently and to make friends and allow the smaller dogs to run under him, around him, whatever. He is a very fun, loving, gentle OES. (like all OES' are) I saw two other dogs ahead of us with their owner who was strolling about all over the place and her dogs were off leash as well. Well, kinda. I stopped Peanut (my dog) and took hold of his collar to hold him until I could see if the dogs were friendly or not. The smaller of the two, saw us first and rush us and started biting Peanut's legs. Peanut started backing away trying to get away. The owner saw it, called the smalled dog away, but then the bigger dog started after us. He started biting Peanut all over, grabbed his back end in his mouth and started tugging. Peanut started yelping and still trying to get away. The lady rushes us both, starts pulling her dog off Peanut, the other one is still nipping at Peanut. She finally gets the big dog off my dog with a wad of my dogs hair in it's mouth and starts beating the #### out of the dog. The little one is still trying to make small advances on us and I'm trying to check out Peanut to see if there are any bites on him or he just got a mouth full of hair. I stood there for about 2 minutes waiting for her to get her dogs under control so I could talk to her. She never did and the smaller one is still trying to advance Peanut. I finally just left. Peanut does have a quarter sized bare spot on his butt and a couple little teeth scrapes on his butt. We took him to a dog park later that evening so he would not be afraid of dogs and still play with him. He did quite well. He is no worse for the wear. I'm so PISSED!!!!! Irresponsible pet owners are absolutely horrid people and have absolutely no right to have a pet. The really sad part is the one that actually bit my dog had his leash on, she just let him drag it behind him. Next time I see her, I will have a can of pepper spray ready and after I have peppered sprayed her dogs, her and I are going to have a chat. Thanks for letting me vent. I hope everyone on this list is a responsible pet owner. |
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| Dog owners like this one are the reason that so few areas allow off leash dogs, and why more parks are prohibiting dogs all together.
I'm glad that Peanut didn't get any serious wounds and that he's gotten over the attack. |
| I would ask around to see if anyone knows this person. Then report her to animal control, police, etc., so that the incident can be on record. She should definitely not be walking her animals off leash. |
Oh, poor Peanut!!!  I'm so glad he wasn't hurt any more than he was.
And what restraint you showed!! Her dog would have bitten ME because I would have smacked her! 
Isn't it sad that you have to revert to carrying pepper spray when you're supposed to be on a leisurely walk? But hey - you do what you have to do! What a crazy world! |
| ... How about using the pepper spray on the owner and having a chat with the dogs? Makes more sense to me. |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: How about using the pepper spray on the owner and having a chat with the dogs? Makes more sense to me.
FUNNY, AND O' SO TRUE. THE DOGS ARE CAPABLE OF CHANGE. STUPIDITY UNFORTUNATLY IS AS HUMAN AS IT GETS AND MAY BE INGRANED IN THE WOMAN FOR LIFE  |
Quote: How about using the pepper spray on the owner and having a chat with the dogs? Makes more sense to me
Oh so true! Around here it is wise to carry a walking stick and a can of pepper spray. With some dogs (and a few people) I'd feel more comfortable with a .45 by my side. |
SheepieBoss wrote: With some dogs (and a few people) I'd feel more comfortable with a .45 by my side.
LOL.. Oh gosh I'm glad Peanut is okay... But no wonder her dogs are vicious. She beats the crap out of them!! Why in the world does she have her dogs off leash if she knows they behave this way? Not only one but two?!?!?!?!?!  |
I hate to hear things like this I am so glad to hear that Peanut is handling it well. Those kind of people I would just love to smack. I had Abby with to a auto race track and we were in the infield walking to our friends trailer when out of one of the other trailers charged a sheperd and grabed Abby in the hind end. I sceamed and the owner came running and yelled and the dog released. But Abby had a nice deep bite and the owner sad he was sorry, If he had seen us he would have chained her. He new she was dog agressive. Maybe they ought to send humans to dog school before they can get one. The next time I see him he is getting the vet bill too. Sorry, this is a very sore subject with me. Just glad things turned out alright for you and Peanut  |
| As a police officer, I would strongly encourage you to file a complaint against the owner for "vicious animal" or similar charges . I can't tell what part of the country you live, but most municipalities or counties have laws where the police will give you a form to simply file a complaint and hold them responsible. Otherwise, the owner will probably continue their irresponsible behavior.
I had to do the same thing. My dog and I were chased down twice by a pit bull and bitten. It took me a little while to find out who the owner was but I did. It ended up being a dog in a nearby neighborhood who kept digging out of their yard under their fence and was running unattended. Take a picture of the wound and bite marks for evidence. |
| I'm a bit late with a reply, I'm really glad peanut is okay. What really ticks me off is that she beat her dog. I also don't recommend mace, my husband is a firearms/chemical agent instructor, and IMO just feel this is cruel. I use vinegar & water, same principal but somewhat more humane. I would save the mace for the owner. Wonder why God gave animals more sense than humans? |
Chauncey wrote: I'm a bit late with a reply, I'm really glad peanut is okay. What really ticks me off is that she beat her dog. I also don't recommend mace, my husband is a firearms/chemical agent instructor, and IMO just feel this is cruel. I use vinegar & water, same principal but somewhat more humane. I would save the mace for the owner. Wonder why God gave animals more sense than humans?
Just because someone says the lady "beat" her dog...doesnt mean she harmed the animal. Lots of people still roll up a newspaper and crack a dog on the [buns] to get the point across sternly when the dog does something that cannot ever happen again...like a bite or grabbing food...whatever. You can freak out on it all you want....but it works....I have no problem with alot of the newer ..."liberal" methods, but i also have no problem putting a dog in his or her place....In the very same manner that another dog would do to it. Instilling human morals on animals is just as disturbing as someone actually hitting a dog enough to harm it or permanantly scar it mentally. There is a fine line but sometimes ....a good crack on the [buns] with something that makes more noise than it actually hurts....does wonders to curb behavior. Dont get me wrong.....I prefer to use rewards and such but sometimes.....you get a dog who's a little to tough for that. Glad your dog is ok..... |
| IMO, there is NO excuse for beating a dog. Period. Nor have I ever seen one dog hit another with a newspaper or other foreign object.
If one does not believe in the "liberal" positive reinforcement method of training, the handler could physically restrain the dog and hold him there until the he realizes who is alpha. Beating of any kind just makes a dog more aggressive and fearful of human contact. |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: just makes a dog more aggressive and fearful of human contact. Is that always true and if so, is it always a bad thing?
Just playing devil's advocate. |
Ron wrote: Maggie McGee IV wrote: just makes a dog more aggressive and fearful of human contact. Is that always true and if so, is it always a bad thing?.RON BEATS MULLIGAN!!!! Unless you have a junkyard-dog-in-training, yes, I think it's wrong. |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: IMO, there is NO excuse for beating a dog. Period. Nor have I ever seen one dog hit another with a newspaper or other foreign object.
If one does not believe in the "liberal" positive reinforcement method of training, the handler could physically restrain the dog and hold him there until the he realizes who is alpha. Beating of any kind just makes a dog more aggressive and fearful of human contact. Thats pretty funny actually about one dog hitting another with a newspaper... ...you and I both know that in reality in wouldnt be newspaper...it would be teeth......lots of them...and it would be very painful......and guess what?..The dog would submit to the other dog and he would learn....this is nature.....
My family has bred dogs of all kinds throughout my life.....i have had more family pets than i can almost remember...but i do remember them...because they were all lovable , well mannered, well trained, and even tempered dogs. And guess what, when they did something really bad.....they got their [buns] beat...plain and simple. They all, every single one, lived to ripe old ages , were never afraid of people and never bit anyone. I tend to think some of your "liberal " methods raise a few dogs ...that really have no respect for you or your imagined place in the pack. Thats just my humble opinion tho... |
| We have evolved over the years and learned and ....well, many of us have, that there are better ways of teaching a dog than using physical punishment.
Physical force, be it for man or beast, works because of fear....plain and simple. That is what causes all the problems in the world...who is bigger and stronger can hurt the weaker ones. If that is the kind of relationship one wants with their dog, that is their choice. For those of us who do not want our dog to be afraid of us, we don't use force to enstill respect. We use our brains, because we are more intelligient than they are. We learn how to communicate without force, and do it that way. If someone has to hit their dog with a newspaper or their hand or whatever, then they do not know how to communicate so are using whatever they think will work. Try teaching a dog what you want it to do, and reward it for that. Makes for a happier animal, and a more educated human. I always had well-behaved dogs...all my life. When I used choke collars, and punishment based training my dogs were very obedient, and they did what they were told or else. Years ago I learned about more friendly ways, so took the plunge, and never looked back. I am still learning, and when I am stumped with how to handle a situation humanely and without causing the dog any distress, I do some research and I find out how to. I would never dream of hitting an animal now, or even restraining it in a way that it is fearful. Takes some work but I am very proud of my happy go-lucky dogs, who may not "obey" as quick as I would like them to, but it is because I have not taken the time to teach them that....not because they are lazy, or hard-headed or disrespectful. They just don't know. And the whole alpha theory is old and was proven to be wrong years ago. It is a lot more complicated than that. Humans are a different species, so the whole alpha, beta, omega postions does not come into the equation in a human-dog relationship. We cannot act like a dog and expect them to respond in the same way. We are not dogs. |
I dunno. I'm not sure I agree. 
I have only been able to learn the meaning of a handful of dog barks, and only from my dogs. My dogs seem to be able to learn many commands, given by different people with different accents, and even hand signals. Are you sure that we're smarter than they are? |
| The post did not mention a newspaper, that although not much better than a hand ,is somewhat less physical. I'm as far from a liberal as most can get but I don't believe in physical violence. As a nurse and from past experience...I just feel to physically intimidate is wrong. Just my opinion. |
| If evolving is dressing your animal in a shirt and bows like a human and letting it sleep in your bed....hmmmm
Ill stick with nature.....its worked for animals for millions of years and it will still work when you "evolved" humans have been shaken off the planet like a bad habit. I find it amusing....that you think the whole alpha "theory " was proven wrong years ago. I must have missed that bulletin where it was proven to everyone "evolved" that the way dogs have lived for thousands of years doesnt exist. It can, and does come into the equation in a human-dog relationship....i guess ceasar milan is just an unevolved crackpot that hasnt "learned". ....lol. And Physical force as you say..."causes all the problems in the world". I dont see it causing anything but order and peace in the animal world.Yes , the weak will always suffer at the hands of the strong,Its called survival of the fittest. Its what keeps a bloodline strong and keeps balance and order. So we agree to disagree. But I don't appreciate somebody [speaking generally] talking down to someone who uses the method of their choice to train their own animal, as they put a t-shirt and a silly hat on their dog. |
| Hey!
<===== Check out silly hat !!! 
<===== and bandana. |
| No clothing as yet but did see a smart, rather British herringbone outfit with matching hat in Dr. Foster catalog ,LOL. As for sleeping in our bed..you bet your bum!
I do believe in the pack theory and would like to think I've learned quite a bit from Cesar, you can see this from previous posts. However, I'm socializing my dog to be an inclusive, loved member of our family....and so far it's working. I do realize he is animal and I/we need to be pack leader. It doesn't and will not, however, involve physical punishment. I don't want to be feared. |
CRJB wrote: I find it amusing....that you think the whole alpha "theory " was proven wrong years ago. I must have missed that bulletin where it was proven to everyone "evolved" that the way dogs have lived for thousands of years doesnt exist. It can, and does come into the equation in a human-dog relationship....i guess ceasar milan is just an unevolved crackpot that hasnt "learned". ....lol. . Hardly anyone I know learned about the alpha theory by doing their own reseach. Most people heard about it from someone else, like I did, and foudn some interesting reading material on it. Then a lot of people stopped bothering about keepig up with the times. This is just a small article, but I have been aware of this for years. http://www.bogartsdaddy.com/bouvier/Tra ... oll_no.htm This forum is a great vehicle for interested people to learn about new and modern ways. And, yes, I agree with your suggestion that CM has not evolved. But I've already had that discussion and don't care to return to it. Too many followers here for me CRJB wrote: And Physical force as you say..."causes all the problems in the world". I dont see it causing anything but order and peace in the animal world. If you are including us as animals in that animal world than we are not living on the same planet. And if you are NOT including us as animals, then why should it makes sense for us to act like one? CRJB wrote: But I don't appreciate somebody [speaking generally] talking down to someone who uses the method of their choice to train their own animal, as they put a t-shirt and a silly hat on their dog. Maybe you need an explanation for the times I did this. Dixie wore T-shirts for weeks as she has a very bad skin condition that she would scratch until she bled. It was the only way we could keep her from re-infecting her open sores. It was not a pleasant time for any of us, but believe me it was harder on us than her. The memories are making me tear up...seriously. Bosley got dressed up at Hallowe'en for a picture, and this boy loves any kind of gentle, freindly handling. He would go and get his hat so that we could fuss over him...so we complied and we all enjoyed it. I have learned lots here about OES but more on other forums and groups when it comes to modern dog-training and behavior. If you are interested I can suggest some books to read, or groups you can join or even just hang out at and read online. Just let me know. |
| Wow...yes..i am including all humans in the animal world.....mammals...
And No..."we" dont live on the same planet. And the fact that "you" consider CM to be unevolved is more comedy for me for one week than should be allowed... "new" and "modern" doesnt make it good. In fact in usually makes it over thought out, oversensitive, PC stuff. ...Somewhere in the middle is the sane way to do things....it always is. |
| Our obedience instructor is a firm believer in compassionate training. I didn't realize until taking our puppy through the class what a difference this made. If you read Jan Fennel's "Dog Listener" or Paul Owen's "Dog Whisperer", their methods make a lot of sense and they WORK! Maybe it takes longer to get a point across this way than beating the dog senseless. Once the behavior is learned in a compassionate setting, the dog understands and it stays with them. They have a higher self-esteem. A beaten dog has a beaten look about it. The level of trust between dog and human is higher when using a kinder method of training. Try it sometime.
Yes, there are obviously differences of opinions here. Using this board as a forum for condoning the mistreatment of animals is wrong and should not be tolerated. |
| I have to say I have been feeling very overwhelmed with all the information out there. I want to do it right with this dog. My last dog I had when I was 20 (she lived to 16 which is incredible for a dog her size) and but I had no idea about socializing her earlier. I had a great dog she would do anything for me I was her world and she was mine. But unfortunately I couldn't take her anywhere because she was very protective. I had a behaviorist help, and we got her to walk ignoring other dogs but that was as far as it got. But if I knew then what I know now, well I think things could have been different.
This time around it is about the dog being a dog and not about my need to have a best friend. I think it all comes down to taking from the information out there and using what you are comfortable with, what feels right. I don’t believe in hitting or using physical abuse but I also think dogs need boundaries and discipline. |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: Yes, there are obviously differences of opinions here. I feel sorry for you . Using this board as a forum for condoning the mistreatment of animals is wrong and should not be tolerated.
[...] I never said mistreating and animal...you did..... [Perhaps you misinterpreted what I wrote,] please re-read exactly what is written here [our opinions on what mistreatment is obviously differ.] [It's ok if we agree to disagree] [massive edits by Ron] [This user has been banned] |
CRJB wrote: Maggie McGee IV wrote: Yes, there are obviously differences of opinions here. I feel sorry for you . Using this board as a forum for condoning the mistreatment of animals is wrong and should not be tolerated. I never said mistreating and animal...you did..... [our opinions on what mistreatment is obviously differ.] Quote: And guess what, when they did something really bad.....they got their [buns] beat...plain and simple.
Sounds like mistreatment to me, and probably most people here. [Good luck!] |
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