caution?
I found a site that has an alarming number of puppies posted for sale, many by the same breeder, who apparently has many different breeds, and many of each. There were 48 listings for sheepdog pups alone! Not all of those were from the same person, but a lot of them. I won't mention any names, but if anyone wants to have a look, and knows anything about these people in particular... I really don't know if there is anything anyone can do even if it is a mill situation, unless they were in the area and were able to expose them. The site is puppyfind.com As I said, I may be completely wrong, and apologize profusely if I am, but if it is a mill situation, I just can't stand the thought of it. I would advise anyone who is considering getting a puppy to research their breeder as much as possible, and get referrals from other puppy buyers. After a lot of looking around I have discovered these sites can be very dangerous, the internet has allowed puppy mills to expand to disgusting porportions by allowing people to sell puppies sight-unseen. Please don't support them.  |
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| I couldn't agree with you more! If you prevent one person from supporting these commercial breeders, puppy mills, petstores, etc. - you've done a good thing!
Kristen |
| Yes, I have seen that person too. Really seems like she especially cranks out the Old English Sheepdogs. It's like she has a new litter every month or so... |
| Hi I do not believe you are wrong about this person I think you are talking about the woman I got my female pup from. If it is the same person I have some horror stories. I feel awful for supporting someone like that by buying a pup from her, hard lesson learned but if anyone wants to know anything let me know. Or you can go and read my last post in getting new puppy.
Dena |
| We all make mistakes - but at least you learn and try and educate others not to repeat the mistake! One of the breeders on puppyfind.com is well-known for breeding DEAF OES! If you look at some of the pictures and note the significant WHITE markings (some of her pups are almost all white!) - those puppies are most likely DEAF! Although it is not difficult to train a deaf dog - it takes more time and pateience than with a hearing puppy - time which most of the families that buy these puppies don't have! So you know where they end up! Some of the breeders will "replace" the puppy - however - when the deaf ones are returned they are often euthanized!
Some of the other internet breeders have a litter a month it seems - they can't possibly be socializing them as necessary and caring for them the way we would want our puppies cared for! I'm not being critical of anyone who has purchased a puppy from one of these types of breeders - as I am one of them myself! I just hope that we can learn from it and prevent others from doing the same thing! Kristen (Brittney, Presley and Sydney) |
| Please don't feel nervous or afraid to post something like this. You are absolutely right about this person. I wouldn't even call her a "breeder." She is either a broker or runs a puppy mill. I know EXACTLY who this person is. And am not afraid to name names.
I think people like her should be "outed." There are SO many pups available from her at all times. Sheepies and other breeds. When talking with her on the phone or e-mailing she sounds more like she's selling a used sofa than a puppy. She is VERY persistent -- She wants to 'close the deal' as soon as possible. I presume so that people don't have the time to do any research. Here's my question. How does one go about rescuing from a mill? How does one go about ending this cycle? (besides the obvious -- spreading the word to not buy from puppy mills, pet stores, brokers, etc.) Does anyone know the actual number of complaints the AKC needs to investigate? And ultimately to stop allowing a mill or broker to register? |
| Unfortunately, I don't think the AKC does much about these complaints! The best way is to educate others NOT to buy from these types of places, including petstores! Don't even buy food, toys, treats from anywhere that sells puppies! Don't give them a dime! It's so difficult to see those little puppies behind those cages - so I don't even step foot in the door!
AKC doesn't guarantee quality breeding - and many of the places often fabricate documents to register litters! Please don't assume that because a dog is AKC registered it means anything! JMHO! |
| I have checked out this site and was hoping you weren't talking about a breeder I found on it and gave my deposit to out in MO! Phhffew
I think you are talking about a Diane D. Well she sheems to be selling these guys like hotcakes! How many does she have???!!!! She just sold one (according to her) male, all white for over $1000!!! I saw that someone mentioned that if they are all white there is a posibility that they are deaf. oh boy! I guess there is nothing we can do about that. I have been telling all my friends who have dogs about this site, so hopefully the word will spread about puppy mills. I am somewhat weary about buying my pup now, cause I found the breeder on this site. I spoke to her and she was very nice. Asked all the right questions, offered recommendation letters, said her dogs are DNA and OFA certified, live at home (both male and female), suggested I speak to her vet, etc. So she sounded great. Wanted to know if we had an OES before, do we have a house, what do we do for a living (will we be coming home late...) so that kinda made me feel good about her. PS the prices for these guys here in NY area blew be away! $1500-$2000!! Yikes! |
| Marley, it sounds like your breeder may not fit into the mix normally found at that site. I think another good way to check is to call the akc to ask how many puppies this breeder has registered in the last year. By the way, the prices here in Canada are between 1500- 2000 as well....
Good Luck! |
| I will surely check into AKC information! What a good idea! I am new at this and all advice is very mich appreciated! I was wondering, can we also check on this woman who sounds very suspicious? All her info. is posted on the site, including her name and contact information. I will ask when I call to find out about my breeder. I wonder if we need her exact address. Thanks again! |
| marley. so glad it is not your breeder .send me some picks when you get your pup. |
| Marley,
One of the "breeders" on PuppyFind has been reported - because the conditions of her kennel were witnessed by a member of the OES List. She has reported her to the AKC and to the Humane Society in the area. Although, I'm fairly certain nothing has been done about it! She certainly hasn't missed a beat in selling her puppies! There are so many of these places around - and often times there is nothing illegal about them - just UNETHICAL! I don't think the Humane Societies and/or local authorities have the resources to investigate every complaint - which is unfortunate. Here's a great website - you may find this helpful... http://www.kimtownsend.com/researching_a_website.htm Please feel free to email privately with any questions! Kristen (TTKristen@aol.com) |
This is a picture of my Lilly 1 month after I got her from Diane she was 3 months old when I took this picture imagine what this poor girl looked like when I got her.  |
| Oh, she looks sooo skinny! I sure hope something will be done about her!
I have received an email from a reputable breeder closer to home. Her name is Jere Marder. She told me that she is breeding for the "betterment of the breed" and all her dogs are show dogs. She is expecting puppies in 5 weeks. However, she wants $1200-$2000 for them! The breeder I went with originally (and gave a deposit to in MO) wants $800. But with the travelling expenses it will come out close to $1500. So i am thinking, should I wait and get a pup from her? What do you all think!? I would appreciate any advice! I am so torn right now! Has anyone heard of her here? Thanks to all in advance! THis is a part of her email to me: "I do not breed for quanity but for quality..each puppy means a lot to me and my breeding program..most breeders charge between $1200 to $2000 for the puppies. Sorry, perhaps I am not the one you are looking for, but I can tell you I breed for the betterment of the breed and AKC chose me as Herding Group Breeder of the Year.....this is a real honor and gives credibility to my breeding program" |
| Marley,
Follow your instincts! Research this "reputable breeder" as well! Go to the OESCA site and look at the Top Winning Kennels and email the Breeder Referral person to see if this is an OESCA breeder and if they have any information regarding them. You should also do a google search to see what comes up. You find out alot about people that way! I wouldn't go by the price - the cost of medical care for a sick puppy can be astronomical! Best of Luck! Kristen |
| Dena,
How is Lily doing now? I hope everything turned out okay for you! Lily seems to have a lot of white on her - which is typical of this breeder - have you had any issues with her hearing? Kristen |
| BritPresSyd
Thanks for your concern for Lilly she is doing well she weighs about 15lbs now at 3 1/2 months my 4 month old male (got him from local breeder not Diane D.) is almost triple her size!!! Her bald spot looks better but not much the ringworm is gone but she will be scarred for life. The parasites are gone now also. Her coat is very thin and stringy looking, but getting better I do not think her hearing is bad at all she responds very well to us. She is a sweetie always wanting held and hugged. She has lots of energy now and plays with mac my male sheepie very well except for the fact she is very nasty when it comes to mac touching her toys or food. All in all things are finally getting better with her but I am very very worried about long term effects we wonder what is going to happen in the future for what she endured as a puppy. My husband thinks her growth has been stunted. I just don't know she goes back to the vet next tuesday for shots and check up I will let you know how that goes. Dena |
| Dena,
My Presley was only 10 lbs at 12 weeks old! She was so small, the Vet didn't think the "breeder" (I use that term loosely) was truthful as to her age! However, she eventually "caught up" and is now my tallest one! Probably too tall for the standards! 
Try not to worry about what "might" happen in the future because of her breeding - just take it day by day and love her to death! She may not be the "perfect" representation of the breed - but I'm sure that won't matter in your heart! 
Presley will be 5 years old in June and she has grown up to be a beautiful girl! Enjoy both of your puppies - they grow up so fast! Best of Luck! Kristen, Brittney, Presley and Sydney |
| I know this sounds horrid -- but I wonder if the all white one that D.D. "sold" really was sold -- or if it died. And if the one named "sale pending" is sick or dead. It too is very white ... It is so unhealthy for them to lack SO much pigment. It would be good for her "business" if someone thought she was really getting $1000. for that pup.
I don't know if I'm mad -- or if I want to cry my yes out. Dena! I'm glad your little girl has YOU!  |
| We do love her very much!!!! When we got Mac in March he was eight weeks and enormous!!!! But Little Miss Lilly was soooo tiny when she arrived at 8 weeks huge size differance between the dogs, we by no means purchased them for show or breeding qualities just wanted a family pet.
And I always wanted a sheepdog but never had the time or room for one till now and we just adore them both our first experience with sheepies and we got two  A shaky start with Lilly but I said it before lots of love and persistance and all will be fine. They are an enormous part of our lives they have helped me tremendously dealing with the loss of my best friend in Nov. They are just always there ready to love and be loved and they always seem to know what I am feeling. Gosh am I rambling on. .I know I shouldn't worry myself sick about her future but she is like one of my kids and I don't want anything bad to happen to her!!! I just mainly hope people will learn from my experiance!!
But again thank you for your concern you have a big heart!!! Dena |
| Just one quick note, not feeling well today... but as far as the breeder saying all her dogs are show dogs... that does show a commitment to her dogs, it takes a lot of money, time and effort to show an oes. But... another point that can easily be made, is that any dog akc or whatever the registering authority in your area, can be entered in a show. It may takes days or months or even years to win the points necessary for a title. It firstly depends on the quaility of the dog and how closely it matches the breed standard. But also, it depends on the competition available at any given show.
I guess my brain is too foggy at the moment to explain it clearly, so I would suggest go to some websites to see exactly how they work so you can see what your breeder may or may not have had to do to get titles.After I have a nap I'll come back....lol |
| Oh that poor thing... how can people do this to them??? It just breaks my heart to see that poor baby.... |
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