Quote: The death of Barnabus Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:44 AM EDT To the editor [of the Daily American (of Somerset County, PA)]; The Somerset courtroom was filled on one side with barely contained excitement as the fate of Barnabus, a 1-year-old Old English Sheepdog, was handed down. The brown-uniformed officers from the department of Dog Law had all they could do to keep from high-fiving one another. Someone not knowing the horrible reason for their happiness would have surmised that they had won an all-expense paid trip to Disneyland. They hadn't. What they had won was the right to kill an impetuous 13-month-old puppy. Old English Sheepdogs are gorgeous dogs but they have temperaments that make them not suitable for every home because they are usually head strong, high-maintenance, and too street-smart for their own good. And to make matters worse, Barnabus had been handed from person to person during his short little life. Four homes in 11 months. The first home had a new baby, the second home had a divorce, the third home had an unhappy landlord, the fourth was the home where he bit. He caught his new owner on the nose with a tooth and scraped her chin with his other tooth. Bad dog. He could have, he should have, went to Old English Sheepdog Rescue to be evaluated and rehabilitated. The rescue was waiting for him with evaluators and trainers and proper enclosures and people who understand the breed. The judge would not permit that. The dog was killed instead. I guess that killing Barney was efficient. It may have even been the right thing to do. I don't know. The thing about killing Barnabus is that we will never know if he would have settled his little butt down once he had a little age and proper training under his belt. The unusual part of this story is that the dog was found to not be a dangerous dog by the Court in a four-hour long hearing. Not guilty. Not a dangerous dog. Yet, despite a favorable ruling for the talented attorney, Robert Morocco, on behalf of Stray No More - the Court was persuaded to declare Barnabus a dangerous dog by the four animated dog wardens after the verdict was announced. The owner who had been the victim of the bite was given the choice of what would happen to Barnabus. “I want the dog dead,” she told the court without a second of hesitation. Attorney Morocco and Stray No More had won the war but lost the battle. It rained the night that Barnabus died. He loved water. Barney who would go upstairs every single day and crawl in the bath tub patiently waiting for someone to turn on the bath water. That crazy puppy would stand under the water spouting trying to catch the rain water in his big fat mouth. He could find every mud puddle ever created. My own dogs quiver and shake when the sky blackened but that was Barney's cue to beg to go out so that he could lope along in back yard and catch every rain drop in his silly, simple-minded way. “Yo, Barn-e-bus, you want to go out and dance in the rain?” would bring him running from any part of the house. He was like a young colt - all legs, clumsy, skidding along the floor as he rounded the corner to come outside with me and get a good dose of rain. It rained the night that Barnabus died. I think that it was God was mourning the smallness of the people who have risen to high places - the four members of Dog Law Enforcement - who had all four left their other duties undone throughout the state of Pennsylvania to make sure that a one-year old puppy was killed on Thursday. It is two days later. The rain has long since stopped. I suspect God has many other things to mourn. He is probably going to leave it up to us to cry for Barnabus. Janet Marie Good Executive Director for Stray No More Somerset Source:http://www.dailyamerican.com/articles/2006/06/27/opinion/letters_to_editor/letter01.txt |
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That is soooo sad. How can people be so cruel and quick to judge? I personally believe that unde the right circumstance, that any dog will bite. |
Nice owner. You have to wonder what the situation was that led up to the bite and if it was even vicious. Heck, Bear gave me a kiss last night that sounds a lot like the "bite" in question. People are such jerks. |
How ironic this happened in PA-home to many horrible puppy mills
Why don't these people do something that actually matters...like shutting down the deplorable mills that flourish in their state RIP Barnabus |
Even sadder is I think one of the owners of Barnabus was a member here
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=7280 Please don't contact this member, I'll drop them a line and ask about it. |
This is so distressing! I'm very saddened by the outcome for poor Barnabus. If this is indeed the person on the forum, I'm even more saddened that the assistance we offered was in vain. |
Well atleast everybody tried to help them out, if that was the family of course
Shannon |
This is so sad, Stacy had even advised contacting NEOSR for help, apparently that didn't happen Maybe if a rescue group had been called this could have been avoided. |
bestdogsx4 wrote: This is so sad, Stacy had even advised contacting NEOSR for help, apparently that didn't happen Maybe if a rescue group had been called this could have been avoided. Rescue was on the case. I don't know when they called in rescue, but it must have been after the authorities were called in:the Letter wrote: The rescue was waiting for him with evaluators and trainers and proper enclosures and people who understand the breed. I wonder if it was NEOESR. |
I wasn't very clear. What I meant was if rescue had been called in the beginning, by the owner, when all these problems were happening, the outcome may have been different. As you pointed out Ron, it must have been too late by the time they got involved. |
I haven't heard back yet (it's only been a little while) from that member, but I don't think that member was Barnabus' last owner.
Those posts were from March. In April, it looks like Barnabus was listed on Petfinder: http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=7602 |
That is so sad!!!! I can't count the number of times the Pip has gotten me with his mouth... He's certainly not vicious, just exuberant, and still learning his manners. If someone could have been bothered to get him some training....
HOW COULD THEY!!!! People drive me bannanas! |
Foz will look at me sometimes and I think I'll get a kiss. Then he opens his mouth and his tooth hits my nose. He's just a puppy!
This type of thing gets me all riled up |
HOW COULD THEY????????????????????????? |
This is truly saddening. |
From what I gather the member did give Barnabus to a rescue...Stray no More, who wrote the article...They are the ones who had him posted in April. It was the smart thing to do, as he wasn't in the right home at that time...with 4 kids, and no OES experience. Sounds like they got him from a shelter of some sort.
Then Stray No More adopted him out to the family that resulted in the bite described in the article. |
Why didn't the person return him the rescue??????????? |
This makes me sick to my stomach...because of human ignorance this puppy suffered with his life.
I cannot stop thinking about him, to think that those officers were high-fiving each other.... excited over the impending death sentence of a puppy.. a puppy who was let down by absoutly everyone that ever had contact with him in his short life, makes me very very sad. I now know why good breeders and rescue groups are so strict and "in-your-face" with questions. In my opinion.. you can never be nosey enough when it comes to placing a puppy with a family. |
Tasker's Mom wrote: Why didn't the person return him the rescue???????????
Good question. Maybe he was seized by the authorities at the time, or maybe the owners felt he was a danger and didn't feel that he should be re-homed. Not their decision, but whatever. Yes, this is exactly what rescue groups need to drill potential applicants. These people will go and adopt another dog and another rescue may never be the wiser. Unless they ask for a vet reference, and take it from there. If applicants cannot provide us with a vet reference, they don't get a dog from us. |
Poor Barnabus |
This is truly sad. So many "if only's"............. |
That is heart wrenching |
This makes me sick to my stomach! How could the woman be so cold-hearted as to just say, "I want him dead." That sends shivers down my spine. And the judge!!!!! I am extremely sad that this happened in my home state of PA, and so close to me.
That poor baby never stood a chance. |
I have a great deal of respect for people who take recues. So many people think it's a good way to get a "cheap dog". Rescue dogs come whith a whole different set of problems and it takes a special person to be able to deal with them. Sounds like the person who took this dog was ill prepared. |
This story makes me angry... 4 different homes in 11 months. Jeez! We are Panda's 3rd home NOT including the month she spent at a Humane Society in her first 10 1/2 months of life. You just have to find the RIGHT home for the dog... you have to find the "match".
I'm not surprised that the woman bit would feel betrayed and angry and hand down the death penalty. I wonder if she was simply the wrong person for this sheepie-boy and too inexperienced in handling anything more than a super-submissive dog or simply had the wrong approach. Did she ever call in a professional trainer to help her work with this boy? Someone rational should have stepped in to make the decision and carefully placed this boy in the right home. How we fail so many dogs in this country. So many people just don't give a damn about them. Owning a dog should a privilege not a right and should require common sense pre-testing to see if the human even possesses this trait. |
Here is a Good Example of how Clueless Some People Can Be!!!
This past May 22nd I received an email from the Springer Rescue here in Nova Scotia.. the Springer Rescue and the NEOESR worked together last December to find homes for the dogs that were seized from that "kennel". Anyways, SR sent me an email, there was a 4 month old puppy in New Brunswick that needed to find a foster home immediately!!!!!! the puppy was a "mostlie" like my Murphy... anyways the family that adopted him.. (same situation as Crystal in NB... the female that was rescued was preggo).. the pups were adopted out at 6 weeks to families.. this family was told straight up that the puppy was a mix.. OES/Springer...they keep him for 2 months.. then decide that they don't want him anymore.. to active.. to big...to out of control... their 10 year old took him for a walk and he jumped up at her and now they were afraid of him....they want him gone today.. and if not he was going to the SPCA.... keep in mind that the rescue is in NS.. they are in NB.. 8 hours (return trip) away... Rescue in NS contacts me.. can I help.. can I foster/adopt this little boy and can we get him today or else. The family in NB was not willing to help out in anyway.. ie., help transport him some of the way.. keep him just one more night so that travel could be arrange, etc.. nope they wanted him gone that day.. I contact me bestest buddy from kingergarden.. (that was many years ago)....I ask if she could go and get the puppy and drive him 1/2 way.. she didn't even hesitate.. off she went to get him... (she has owned Beardie's here whole life)....She gets to where he is, loads him in the car.. goes back to get his things.... Here comes the example....the lady says to my girlfriend that he was just to much puppy for them.. to busy.. was going to get to big, required to much exercise.. so they decided they wanted a PUREBRED SPRINGER SPANIAL OR A GOLDEN RETREIVER. Anyways.. "Sid".. that's what I called him.. now belongs to a family who loves him, understands him and he has a 10 month old female OES sister that he gets to live and play with everday. In helping Sid find a home, I was brutal when it can to the interview process.. I have never done it before, but I didn't care if I hurt anyone's feelings by the questions.. they need to be asked. In the back of my mind.. I keep on saying to myself.. would I want my Murphy or Dudley to live in this house if anything every happened to me.. I feel so sad and sick to my heart for Barnabus... |
I am so distraught over this story.
Why are people so inhumane? When there are people ready, willing, and able to help, why be so cruel? What a sad commentary on humanity. |
If it was Strays no More who put a rescue pureberd sheepdog--with a history of rehomes-- into a house of children.... they really need to have THEIR hands slapped too. THEY should have contacted OES rescue and get an appropriate placement.
I know they probably place dogs into homes with kids all the time, and probably have to in order that they can place mixes and mutts. But a purebred can usually find an appropriate home. I can't begin to tell you all how I feel about this. |
I would have taken this dog in a heartbeat if I would have known what would happen to him. As an owner of an aggressive dog, it makes me absolutely sick to my stomach knowing that if Walter ever bit the wrong person that courts could order him killed. Aggressive dogs need love, hard work, and understanding, which apparently is too much to ask of most people. I suppose you can't ask everyone to to take that kind of time out of their lives, but why on earth would you deny someone else the chance to save a dog?? |
I have an 8 year old step-son who lives with us full time... my dogs love him to pieces.. but.. there is a strict rule in our house.. when the dogs are out in the yard.. he is not... under any circumstances allowed to have his friends in the yard at the same time....I am not worried about my dogs.. they are very friendly, but it takes just one time for something to happen.. boys playing rough, etc.. If Tanner wants to play with his friends in the yard.. the dogs are in the house or on the deck |
Poor Barnabus.
I have been an owner of a dog who would bite (and i mean bite not just an nip) and i have been bitten by him (still got the scars on my hand to prove it) .The bite was my fault i removed a twig from his paw when he was asleep and i frightened him.My poor boy had been beaten when i got him and he would bite at anything that he thought was going harm him.Not once did i think of putting him to sleep. To think anybody could put a dog to sleep when there is people willing to help just makes me feel so sad |
When I first read this early this morning I could not respond I was so upset. As the owner of a rescued sheepie that was scheduled to be euthanized for biting - I would have taken Barney in a heartbeat. You can't tell me that there aren't appropriate homes for these type dogs.
What this story tells me about certain humans sickens me. |
This truly sicken me!
I would definitely say that the rescue in this case, Strays no more, is also VERY much to blame for this dog's death. Sheepdogs are nippy. That is a trait of the breed. I've gotten hit quite a few times getting kisses from the dogs when they turn with their mouths open. Or just when they are walking and turn their heads. Maybe this is also the fault of the previous owner for not getting the dog into an OES specific shelter.... We did provide all the info needed. Now this is my personal opinion right here. I want to sentence that owner to death. Did she ever require any stitches or did the dog just catch her with it's teeth? What a cold hearted viscious person to do such a thing! This person knew the history of the dog they were getting!!! And still got the dog. They should have let the dog go back into rescue. I can understand wanted a dog to put death that has visciously attacked someone. This dog was food aggressive... so that was known. Any dog with food aggression will go after someone if they are near their food bowl.....but I still have no heard any information to prove that this dog ever intentionally visciously bit someone. Poor Barnabus |
Quote: Aggressive dogs need love, hard work, and understanding
I agree with you. I lived with a dog that had bitten (my son on the thumb) and was, on occasion, dog-aggressive. I'd also add this to the list... respecting the limits that an individual dog may have. I believe you can push any dog to the point where it would bite. But there are often ways to get the same exact results but in a way that is acceptable to both "parties". We could not MAKE Nikki do anything but we could BRIBE her to do just about anything (except roll over on her back). It's all about the compromise. And I agree with you Ron... this boy should not have been placed in a home with children. Too many times people see, "The Old English Sheepdog is a playful, affectionate, fun-loving "clown," who delights in frolicking with his family and neighborhood children." and they expect this generalization to apply to all OES. It's so sad to see these magnificent dogs in trouble because families just weren't prepared for the dog they brought home. |
I'd also like to add that I can't blame the last owner for wanting the dog put down, we don't know her story, and perhaps it was a vicious and disfiguring bite, we just don't know. She may also be thinking "I'm the third home and this dog is just vicious and I can't imagine putting another family at risk" or "Given everything it's probably just best for the dog"
Who knows? We don't know all the facts, and Rescue HAS put sheepdogs down before. What is really bugging me then? Ok, I've calmed down enough to type. What bugs me is that we were involved, and looknig at that thread we didn't recommend strongly enough to that member that the dog be sent to a SHEEPDOG RESCUE if they couldn't handle it. It bugs me that I didn't get in there and type about it instead of PMing them that their email address was bad. It bugs me that Strays no more was incapable of helping at the end (even though it seems they tried) and that they didn't place the dog with a Sheepdog Rescue in the first place. I was so beside myself with frustration today. DARNIT DARNIT DARNIT. |
I don't think it says that the dog was re-homed in a house with children. It said he bit his owner. You never know the circumstances...maybe all the shuffling snapped something inside Barney and made him lose his ability to be social with humans anymore.
I'm not defending this, but we don't know the whole story. I am so sad |
I was so upset that I wrote a letter to Strays No More and told them that they at least are partially to blame for adopting this dog out to someone who obviously had no knowledge of the breed.
I explained to them that OES specific rescues make sure people have had experience with the breed or are well educated about the breed. I then begged of them that if they ever get another OES to please turn it over to an OES specific rescue group. And said that Barnabus would now be in a a happy home with great owners.... But he's not and it's their fault. Also that maybe they should be screening their applicants better. The owner that had him put to death should NEVER be allowed to own another dog. I am sooooooo disgusted!!! |
You're right, I take that back. I confused the Letter to the Editor with the post from our member.
But something isn't right with the facts as presented in the Letter to the Editor, too. There's no mention of the house with 4 kids and all the biting. Look at the ADVERTISEMENT on petfinder by Stray No More! It makes it sound as if the dog has no problems! Quote: Notes: If you are not the past owner of an Old English Sheepdog, you may not recognize that what our gorgeous gentleman has is a summer cut. The cut makes him look like he is all legs, doesn't it?? It will grow out into a gorgeous coat by the end of August --when he needs the warmth again. Check out those beautiful pale blue eyes...he will capture your heart quite easily once you look into them. Barnabus is a one year old male pure bred Old English Sheepdog. He is so busy, so loving aand ever so much fun!! Barnabus loves other dogs, cats, kiddos over ten, and all grown ups. We can't say enough good things about him: Wonderfully housetrained, Knows all kinds of tricks, plays ball, always up for something new. If you are full of fun and joy and looking for the type of doggie bud who will keep you entertained--ask us for an application for Barnabus, boy wonder dog. I hope for Stray No More's sake that they weren't told about Barnabus' problems.
[ http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/dis ... id=6046995 Reproduced here for posterity.] I still haven't heard back from our member yet. |
Pepsi's Mommy wrote: I was so upset that I wrote a letter to Strays No More and told them that they at least are partially to blame for adopting this dog out to someone who obviously had no knowledge of the breed. I would have preferred a letter asking them more about the situation first, but I understand your emotions. Frankly I really wanted to wait to publish all of this so that I could ask the parties about it without them reading judgemental posts (mine included), but my frustration got the better of me. |
Ron, please let us know if you eventually hear the whole story.
Without knowing the actual circumstances we could be casting blame unfairly. There may be several sides to this story that we just don't know about. |
OK, folks. Barnabus was adopted by our member from the Humane Society, who said he was wonderful. Our member did his research and found OES's good with kids. The Humane Society did the mistake of adopting out a dog to a home with no OES experience, and 4 kids under 10. This is a BIG no-no. Not our member's fault, but the shelter's.
The dog then bit a child 3 times. This in itself is scary, and could very well have rendered him unadoptable. Many rescues would have refused to take him in. I know mine would have. Why he didn't go to an OES rescue? Maybe he was refused. He ends up with Strays No MOre, who may not have known about his bite history. If they did then they should have mentioned something in his bio, but maybe they told the new family upon adoption. We don't know. If they didn't know, then we have a problem with our member. It is for this reason that rescues do not like to adopt out dogs to homes with children. Even if we get a full history, we know that some people leave out some facts just to save the dog. I had to decline to accept a dog last week because of a gut feeling. The owner of 6 years said the dog never bit anyone, yet she was afraid to place her into postion to get a picture. And when I went to pat her she air-snapped me. I don't believe her for a second. Rescues are overwelmed and try thier best. I hope Strays No More were not told the whole story. If they were then they make rescues look bad. Rescues have to turn their backs on some dogs, and/or hand them over to a better fit group...IF a better fit group will take the dog. Our local shelter just took in 60 dogs that came up from Louisiana, as a result of Katrina. They are all sweet, submissive, gentle dogs that need to be easy to place, to make room for more. The pet overpopulation problem is the real reason why these things happen. Too many dogs, and rescues need to be choosey about which ones they help...if they want to continue doing what they do. |
I agree that shelters need to be choosey, but I also think that it is very important to exhaust every single possible option before euthanizing a physically healthy dog. The miscommunication was not Barneys fault, neither was his anxiety from being rehomed so many times. I am a firm believer that every animal deserves a chance, and it seems like this particular animal was not killed because there was no room for him, but because the woman who was bitten took the bite personally.
We place such high expectations on our dogs, we forget that they are not people and that they are not all Lassie. I do not think this was just a nip or an isolated instance, it sounds like Barney really did some damage on a few people. But I still absolutely think that Barney deserves a chance to live a happy life. We are the ones breeding and domesticating animals and trying to force them to adapt to our standards, we shoudl take responsibility for them and not place blame on the animal when they do not conform as easily as we would have liked. But, I also think it is a very good point that shelters are overcrowded and we have so many sweet, submissive, and child-friendly dogs that it is hard to put so much effort in on the dogs that are hard to rehome. Which is why I firmly believe that: 1. people should be required to spay and neuter their pets unless they get a permit to breed or show their dog. 2. permits to breed should be hard to get. States should start taking responsibility in their legislation to regulate breeding so that dog and cat populations can be regulated so we can start taking proper care of them. It really just makes me so sad to think that this isn't an isolated incident, dogs are being killed every day because people neglect to take responsibility for them. |
Ron wrote: Pepsi's Mommy wrote: I was so upset that I wrote a letter to Strays No More and told them that they at least are partially to blame for adopting this dog out to someone who obviously had no knowledge of the breed. I would have preferred a letter asking them more about the situation first, but I understand your emotions. Frankly I really wanted to wait to publish all of this so that I could ask the parties about it without them reading judgemental posts (mine included), but my frustration got the better of me.Don't worry Ron, I was a good girl... but I did place partial blame on them as they were responsible for adopted this dog out. I also told them if the OES community knew about this that there would have been a ton of people there protesting this. |
I just got an e-mail back from Janet.
She had this to say about the woman that adopted her: Quote: The people who adopted Barnabus had owned another Old English Sheepdog for thirteen years. They came with impeccable recommendations. We have been around for ten years and we always try our best to do what is right by each and every animal. I assure you, we did not do a sloppy job of interviewing or investigating the people who adopted Barnabus. They passed all of the levels. I owned an Old English Sheepdog for 11 years so I feel that I knew a little something about the breed and what was needed in a home for him. I emailed her back and apologized about saying that I didn't feel they did a good job and that an OES rescue would have done better. I asked her for her side of the story. How significant the bite was? Also if they knew about his past biting problems. She described Barnabus' personality because she knew him and loved him and is very much mourning his loss. She wrote to me: Quote: I loved Barnabus. He spent the past two and a half months at my home
awaiting his trial. I kissed his fuzzy head and told him how pretty he was every single day. So at least we can be comforted by knowing that he was truly loved by a very good woman in his final days. I will update again if she writes back. |
The last part brought me to tears |
Poor Barnabus. Sheepie pups can be mouthy little stinkers. They are so animated and use their entire body to play. But that doesn't mean that they are mean or aggresive. They require patience and very consistant training to get through that.
When working with Mojo we did the "stop immediatly and turn your back" technique if there was nipping. Well I did that once when he was particularly rowdy and he bit me on the butt! By their logic I guess I should have had him put down. Sounds like Barnabus never had a chance. I am wondering how Barnabus ended up in doggy court to begin with. And shame on those who were happy about him being put down. |
This is so heartbreaking. From just reading the first letter to the editor to Ron realizing there was a chance for this dog to get turned into an OES rescue by an OES forum member. Poor Barnabus really didn't have much of a chance.
The thing I guess that angers me the most now about this story is that the last person that owned him was an OES owner! (Thanks Elissa for finding that out) I would think that they would have done a better job understanding him. The bottom line though is that pets are still only considered property. Until that law changes, owners are allowed to take their lives away by euthanasia at any time. I am sure this is how the judge justified the ruling. I feel so bad for the shelter now too. |
My heart is breaking for the poor woman who kept him while he was awaiting trial. Poor Barnabus. I have to go, I can't stop the tears. |
This whole situation is just too overwhelming.
Thanks, Elissa, for passing on the info from Strays No More. I wish we knew if the bite was malicious or just a response to a stimulus (such as food aggression). The thing that bothers me the most is the woman's statement - I want him dead. It sounds SO cold, uncaring. She could have said - I think it would be better for all concerned if this dog was put down. Or - I don't want to be responsible for rehoming him in case he bites someone else, maybe even a child. But no - she said - I want him dead. Cold, cold, cold. It's especially disturbing knowing that this woman had a sheepie before. My heart goes out to Strays No More, and I cry for Barnabus. |
Ok... I received more information from Janet.
She even sent me the adoption application. I was even impressed with their answers to the questions. Looks like they only had him for a few days before Janet got him back. The adoption application was dated 4/4 and Janet had him back by April 10th. By the end of the month their had already been a trial date set! She had also spoke with Grannie Annie twice on the phone and then through e-mail about Barnabus and even sent me the e-mails of the correspondense between her and Madeline Haystac's OES and OES Rescue Volunteer. So OES rescue was involved unfortunately this was after the biting incident. Also she included a couple of e-mails between her and the new owners. She will be sending me a letter later on today when she gets a chance. This letter will contain all of the details we have been looking for. Details of the bite....etc She tried writing it last night and the dogs and cats she has kept hitting the power strip so she lost all she was writing. I asked her to write it to us at the OES community and told her that Ron was interested in knowing the whole story. She is very happy to be getting the story out. As far as I can tell..... Janet did not have knowledge of previous biting... But I am not sure. She did know that he had been in 3 previous homes This was in from a letter from Janet (Strays no more) to Madeline (Haystac's OES and OES Rescue) about his behavior after he came into her home after, they got him back from the person that was bit. Quote: I deliberately waited to get back to you because I wanted to try him out for a little bit to see if his bad behavior was habitual or for cause. I was putting myself in a novice category because the 'dangerous dog' label had me spooked. Once I settled myself down, I began to watch what was going on... We had two skirmishes. My 13 year old, Dawber Dawg, was biting Barnabus on the legs, attempting to boss him around and growling low every time he came near her. Dawber gets into a lot of trouble with the other dogs because she is so bossy and now that she is older, she doesn't get much respect but that doesn't stop her from being bitchy with everyone. Within the blink of an eye the second thing happened in that particular incident...The 14 year old, Rookie the Cookie, was just moseying around, coming between Barnabus and the food I was making for supper when the first round happened. Barnabus was still wound up over Dawber and Rookie just happened to be there ten seconds later. With 8 dogs, someone is always there. I don't know. No one was hurt but putting Barnabus into the basement to keep him away from everyone was a big challenge for my husband because he was out of control and trying to bite everyone around him. It seemed to be fear because there were so many dogs he didn't know around him. He was just swinging blindly.
Maybe he was guarding the food, thinking foolishly that I was making it for him, I guess. Since then I have put him in the basement every time I am made as much as a piece of toast if I could not be watching over everything at every second. Food seemed to be one of the triggers but maybe not. I started just today to allow him upstairs while I made breakfast but I put on his basket muzzle. I wouldn't have needed it. He was an angel. I hated the idea of the muzzle but it was either that or he was isolated. I vote for having him up around us so that he can get his share of kisses and hugs and watch tv. (Incidentally, I forbid him to be on the chairs or couches despite every other dog laying around on them all day long because that is ANOTHER trigger to get him guarding. But interestingly, NOT with the muzzle. Hmmmm....) The second incident happened last night. Everyone was in a state of semi-sleep when Barnabus came too near to the meanest dog of mine, Buffy St. Marie. Buffy is so miserable. She jumped up and flew into Barnabus twice. I got him away from her but unfortunately steered him into a direct path of Dawber. He turned on Dawber and they had a small skirmish. No one was hurt. I just am jumpy about him. Truthfully, without the label, without the hype--I would just have chalked this all up to his high spirits and how ill-tempered some of my own dogs are. And I wouldn't be blowing everything up. And I would be just handling it. The dynamics here are different than most homes. I have a lot of medically challenged dogs and most of them are elderly and grumpy and set in their ways and then there are twenty-some cats, at least half of which cannot bear the idea of sharing their home with anyone else right now. This translates into a non-welcoming foster home. I rarely use my home for fostering, and then it is usually only puppies under six months old. A jumpy, tickled to death with life, dying to play with ANYONE, pup, is not going to find this a haven. Barnabus has spent hours in a play crouch and only had one taker which lasted for a half hour. He is bored stiff. I am not allowed to walk him, he is not allowed to go out and rip and tear in our fenced-in back yard which is about an acre, and must remain on a leash and muzzled at all times when he is not inside the house. He has SO much energy and there is no way to exercise him that it is awful. And he will remain this way until June 22. I wouldn't call him unpredictable, at least not yet. Ill-behaved, certainly. He has settled in and is now understanding the rules better. I am leaving the cloth leash on him all of the time and that has come in handy for many reasons. Thank you for your help. Sheepdogs aren't really so different from other headstrong, active, playful, loving, crazy in the head mutts that I deal with every single day of the week. I hate the idea of having him go anywhere already. By June 22, I will be firmly entrenched in his corner. He was in four homes in 12 months and not one of them seemed too interested in making him understand how dogs live sucessfully with people. The result was a spoiled, uncontrolled, brat of a puppy that no one wanted around them. Barnabus figured that he didn't have to listen to anyone about anything because he never had to do that before. I suspect the obedience training came accompanied with screaming and hitting when he finally pushed the envelope far enough that someone noticed him. He had a tough life so far. Sure. But he can't hide behind that anymore. If he is going to have a full life there are lessons he must learn and learn quickly. I am going to try my best to use the next six weeks to his advantage. If you have any good ideas or training tips, please let me know. I will try any and all of your ideas, Madeline. Even knowing how much work he is going to take does not lessen my resolve to find him a great home with people who will love him and keep his little fuzzy butt in line. He is not a dog for the weak at heart. Do you have any pre-screened Old English Sheepdog people that would share their lovely home and allow Barnabus to grow old with them? I highly doubt that she knew of his biting because of this letter. I don't think she would have adopted him out. |
Did she actually say she had no knowledge of his prior biting? |
Stacey,
It doesn't look like she had previous knowledge of the biting. But I am still waiting for the letter she is preparing for us. BTW... Janet herself had an OES for 11 yrs. She rescued a 2 1/2 yr old. So she herself was familiar with the breed and grooming etc and made sure the people adopting him knew of cost involved. But as previously mentioned they had also had an OES before. |
Ron,
Janet wanted to know how you found the article. She was shocked that anyone had it being that her area is a small town area. |
I use Google Alerts for anything to do with Old English Sheepdogs, so I got an email:
Quote: -----Original Message-----
From: Google Alerts [mailto:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -at- google.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 2:39 PM To: Rxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -at- oes.org Subject: Google Alert - "old english sheepdog" Google Alert for: "old english sheepdog" The death of Barnabus( http://www.dailyamerican.com/articles/2 ... tter01.txt ) Daily American Online (subscription) - Somerset,PA,USA The Somerset courtroom was filled on one side with barely contained excitement as the fate of Barnabus, a 1-year-old Old English Sheepdog, was handed down. ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This as-it-happens Google Alert is brought to you by Google. You can set up your own alerts at http://www.google.com/alerts |
What about the dog officers? How can anyone with an attitude like that be allowd to work with animals? They should all be fired. |
I too am greatly saddened for Barnabus. He never had a chance.
Ron, you've done such a great service by having this site! We have our dear, sweet Copper largely in part of your efforts with this site. I understand your feelings but I think you shouldn't be so hard on yourself! I personally want you to know how grateful I am to you! To say Copper was challenging when we first adopted him would be putting it nicely. He charged and bit my husband and other issues. You would never know it now. He is the most dear and sweet "SON" you could ever wish for. He truly is SUNSHINE in our lives. He had obviously been mistreated. I feel it is a necessity to have someone firmly entrenched in the corner of the dog in question or they maybe won't have much of a chance. If you met Copper now you would have no concerns whatsoever with him and imagine he must have always had a good happy life. Regardless of hindsight and would have, should have's, the rescues that stepped up to the plate and at least did SOMETHING should not be berated. They should be appreciated for at least trying. I know that's more than I did. I was reading the advice given by the forum and it was wonderful! JMO Hopefully, this will help us all in the future to maybe take an extra step to help where maybe we would have hesitated before. God Bless you Barnabus! May you be at peace now and know the love you should have received all along. |
I thought by her stating that without the label and the hype, that she would not have thought anything about his behavior. Sounded like she might have known something was not quite right. That is just my thought though. |
He deserved so much better than what happened to him. Someone in the right situation could have made an awesome owner for him. |
Ok guys... I have even worse news. Our member lied under oath that the dog was not hers and she was watching the dog for someone else.
She also said they dog never bit anyone! Also as you see below the dog did not even break the skin!!!!!!! Here is the letter that Janet send me to be posted on the forum. I directed her to the post of Barnabus here by his previous owner and well you can read it. Quote: Elissa, I read the forum with disbelief. Suzanne Hunt called me on March 27th and asked me if we would take Barnabus. I asked her why she was giving up a puppy. "It really isn't my dog. I was just watching the dog as a favor for a friend until it went with its new family--but then the family backed out and I am not allowed to keep it. My landlord told me to get rid of it or I will have to move." Hmmmmmmmmm. Sounded like a real scenario to me. "Tell me about the dog," I say to her. She says he is playful and sweet and rambunctious and wants his own way. Sounds like a typical puppy. Then I ask the question that we ask no matter if the dog is a chihuahua or a mastif..."HAS THE DOG EVER BITTEN??" Nope, she says, but he did snap at her daughter on the first day she had him because her daughter had tried to take the dog's food bowl away from him. That had happened about fifteen minutes after he arrived at her house. "ANY OTHER GROWLS, SNAPS OR BITES?" "No." Suzanne wrote us a paper that had four or five paragraphs about what she knew about Barnabus. We took him and put a "children must be ten years or older" tag on him and insisted that anyone applying to adopt him must be an experienced Old English Sheepdog owner. On March 27th, Suzanne called me and asked me if I would help her place an 11 month old Old English Sheepdog. When I asked her why she wanted to place a puppy, she said, "This really isn't even my dog. A friend of mine was moving, found someone who wants to adopt the dog but they couldn't take it right away so she asked me if I could keep the dog until the new owners could take over. Then those people changed their minds. This really isn't fair to me. My landlord told me that I will have to move if I don't get rid of him." That all sounded like a real story to me. Then I asked the question I always ask no matter if the dog is a chihuahua or a mastif-- "HAS THE DOG EVER BITEN?" "Nope. Well, he did snap at my daughter on the first day we got him because she tried to take his food dish away about fifteen minutes after he got here. That was my fault because I shouldn't have sent her over to him to get the dish." I said, "Any other growling, snapping or biting incidents?" "NO", she tells me. I asked Suzanne to write up four or five paragraphs telling me everything she knows about the dog and to put the information about the snapping in capital letters so that we can use it to fill in anyone who is interested in adopting Barnabus about him. We immediately slapped on a "no children under ten in the home" tag and made it a rule that the only home he could go to was with an experienced owner of an Old English Sheepdog. We received 53 answers to the Petfinder.com ad even though it was only on the Petfinder.com site for 11 hours. I found what I considered to be an excellent home for Barnabus. The Hearns--Ron and Christine--Ex-owners of a Sheepie--I sent you their application. I checked both of their references which were glowing and spoke with her old vet--the one from Max, their first Old English Sheepdog, who had died two years ago. They had no children--grown or otherwise--making them even better candidates, in my opinion. When he went to that home, I told the Hearns that Barney needed to be treated like a whisper dog. The quieter they spoke to him, the more they allowed him to think that the decisions were really his idea--the better he would react. We understand, they told me. Two days later the Hearns bring in a dog obedience person that both Ron and Christine describe as "aggressive" and she shouts, screams, tugs, hits, and barks orders at him. Barnabus is beside himself. Fifteen minutes after she leaves Christine kneels down in front of Barnabus and makes a quick movement to pat his head. He attempts to nip her thumb, she screams, he swings his head around to face her and catches her nose with one top tooth and scrapes her chin with a bottom tooth.-------THIS IS THE BITE THAT BARNABUS DIED FOR. I went to the Hearns' house and brought Barnabus to my own home so that he would be safe over the two and a half months until his trial. Now this is the part that you and Ron and the rest of your gang may find interesting. SUZANNE HUNT--the third owner and participater in your forum--TESTIFIED AGAINST BARNABUS AT His TRIAL. SHE SAID IN COURT THAT SHE HAD GOTTEN THE DOG FROM A FRIEND. SHE SWORE THAT THERE WAS ONLY ONE SNAP AND THAT NO SKIN HAD BEEN BROKEN OR BRUISED. She claimed not to know about any other home other than the one she got Barney from. SHE WAS UNDER OATH. JANET |
Here is more:
Quote: Elissa, Suzanne Hunt only told me about the snap---meaning no contact---and I required her to write it down in big, block letters. I went over the snapping incident with the Hearns and even gave them the four or five paragraphs that Suzanne had written. We discussed it at length. They said that in their opinion puppies and kids do not mix. My sentiment exactly. After the bite, Ron Hearn called Suzanne Hunt and bullied her in to giving him the name of the people who had given her the dog because he was trying to find out background information on Barnabus. Ron Hearn traced it backwards to four owners plus the pet store and the breeders. If I would have had an inkling that Barnabus had been through so many homes I would have put the brakes on him going anywhere until I got to the bottom of why he was losing all of the homes. But Suzanne didn't bother to tell me--EVEN THOUGH SHE KNEW ABOUT IT AT THE TIME THAT SHE GAVE ME BARNABUS. The first I knew about the other homes was after the bite. The first I knew about all of the bites was when you shared the forum information with me, Elissa. Janet |
Sadly, it has also come to my attention that Barnabus was intact.
New England OES Rescue probably would have had him fixed before placing him anywhere. Sadly, even if there was perjury, since Barnabus was "only" a dog and in a rescue program to boot, what are the damages? Sure someone could be punished for perjury, but getting a DA to prosecute, finding her guilty and getting a judge to pass any kind of a harsh sentence would be unlikely, I'd guess. It's just all so sad and frustrating. I just really think we could have done better for Barnabus. GRRRRRRRRRRR NOTE TO SELF: BITING DOG POSTS WILL RECEIVE CLOSE ATTENTION AND ALWAYS ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OES RESCUE. NOTE TO SELF: BITING DOG POSTS WILL RECEIVE CLOSE ATTENTION AND ALWAYS ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OES RESCUE. NOTE TO SELF: BITING DOG POSTS WILL RECEIVE CLOSE ATTENTION AND ALWAYS ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OES RESCUE. |
Ron,
Don't beat yourself up.... This was mentioned by someone in the post to contact Grannie Annie. We did all that we could! I am furious about the lying under oath!!! Maybe people will write some letters to the DA and she could get some kind of punishment like a $$$fine including a BIG donation to somewhere like NEOESR and Strays no More?? |
I finally sat and read through the original post and am even more horrified. This person was given lots of good advice by very knowledgable members. It was very clearly stated that people here were concerned and willing to help. She was even directed to the appropriate rescue people. HOW COULD SHE DO WHAT SHE DID??????????????? SHAME ON HER! She should be marked "cannot own another dog FOR LIFE"
It's all so very sad. |
I am still wondering how it all ended up in court?
Did someone report him as a vicious dog? Was Janet required to make some kind of report? |
What a mess... Barnabus didn't have a chance with so many people making the wrong choices for him.
It's so sad... and frustrating, knowing so much more could have been done long before he got the the point he did. |
Uggghhh!
Now that the truth has come out because of me writing to Janet. I feel responsible....because it is because of me that this new infomation came to light. Nobody would have known about the on the stand flat out LIE. The proof to prove her perjury is right here on OES.org for all to see. I feel I need to step in and help honor Barnabus's memory and his life. This did NOT need to happen and it did because someone lied to begin with. This info needs to come out. I told Janet I would be happy to help her in any way possible I gave Janet the link to this topic and hopefully she will respond to some more of her questions. Janet was LIED to and his was NOT her fault! The PA courtroom was LIED too. This is just pathetic |
Quote: Sadly, it has also come to my attention that Barnabus was intact.
The foundation of rescue is to responsibly spay and neuter every dog that comes through in order to prevent future dogs from entering the already overburdened system. It also makes for dogs that are more easily handled. So many people handled this dog and not one did the right thing. The injustice done to this sheepie-boy makes me cry I've got to sit down and read the whole thing even though it's going to upset me. |
They were paying for the neutering to be done. An appt had been set.
Here's more from Janet: Quote: Elissa, Okay, now this is where some of the things that went on are my own fault. I made two major mistakes. Two rookie mistakes. 1. When Suzanne gave me Barnabus, it was loud and confusing. Her girls were crying, I felt bad for them, Barnabus was barking and jumping around. Suzanne had told me over the phone that Barnabus had all of his shots. When she handed me the packet of info on Barnabus, I didn't double-check, which is pretty much standard operating procedure after ten years. I didn't look. 2. The night that I met Christine and Ron Hearn was the FIRST time that I checked the paperwork. He had all kinds of trips to the vet in his 11 months--five trips in the past couple of months. I discovered that the paperwork for Barnabus' rabies shot was not in his packet. As soon as I saw this I told the Hearns that we couldn't finish the adoption because he HAD to have that paperwork. I told them that I would take the dog back to Somerset and have the shot done the following day and we could make arrangements to meet the next day. They said, "We are taking the dog in for his pre-surgery bloodwork (he was scheduled to be neutered at the Hearns' vet by us on the 11th of April--one week from when he went with the Hearns) tomorrow morning and we will get him a shot then. I offered to pay for the shot but they wouldn't hear of it. I BELIEVED THEM. I DIDN'T JUST TAKE HIM BACK HOME WITH ME. I have lived that moment over and over in my head a million times. If I had just taken him back...Dammit. Dammit. Anyhow, I am sure you can guess the end to the story. They did take him to see the vet the next day but they didn't get the shot as they had promised they would. After Barnabus bit Christine, Ron immediately called me. The doctors at the emergency room where Ron had taken Christine after the bite, had an issue with the paperwork for Barnabus' rabies shot. They wanted proof that it had been done, of course. I knew that it had been done, I only needed to call Suzanne and get a copy from her. When I called Suzanne she said she hadn't gotten him a rabies shot as she had told me. What she had meant to say was that she had gotten worm medicine. I could feel my skin crawling around on me. What had I been thinking??? Why hadn't I insisted on taking him back to Somerset. The Hearns were furious when I told them that Suzanne hadn't given him a shot. They called my dog warden, Dennis Wetzel, who was only too pleased to help them teach me a lesson. Stray No More has been around for ten years. We are all foster homes. In the state of Pennsylvania the dog law wardens are allowed to run their county in whatever manner they choose. If we lived in any of the counties bordering us we would be able to have a kennel license for each of our foster homes, they would be regulated and we could be happily protecting and adopting out our little sweethearts with the blessing of the dog warden. In Somerset County that is not the case. Dennis Wetzel hates our program even though we are 501c3, registered as a charity and listed as a non-profit. This was his golden opportunity and he snatched up his chance and ran with it. Janet |
Poor Janet, just trying to do the right thing. No wonder people don't want to get involved in rescue. |
OMG! With all this extra information, it makes the whole situation even MORE unconscionable!!!
Poor Janet will be living with her should have/could have scenarios for a long time. Suzanne Hunt - well, all I can say about her is I wonder how she can sleep at night. And she has 4 young children to raise! I hope she can be a better role model to them than this, otherwise those poor children will grow up thinking it's okay to lie to cover your own tails. And don't get me started on Dennis Wetzel!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is evil in a uniform, a power-hungry madman. That poor baby Barnabus. How my heart aches for him. |
And even more
Quote: Elissa, The state ordered the doggie quarantined. The Hearns were supposed to keep Barnabus in quarantine but Ron called me and told me that he wanted us to please do that since things were in such an uproar with Christine being afraid of Barney and him being mad at the dog. I felt so sorry for them. I crawled in my car and headed out to Lancaster--a five hour, roughly, trip. When I got to the Hearns' they did not have the dog contained in any way. As a matter of fact Barnabus greeted me at the door. Christine was feeding him chunks of cheese and bending down to kiss him on the bridge of his nose--not appearing to be in any great distress or unduly afraid of Barney. She had some neo-sporin-type stuff on her nose and chin that made it shiny and you could see where the tooth had left a mark on her nose and her chin looked carpet burnt. I agreed to take Barnabus back home with me for quarantine and evaluation by a behavior specialist that I know in Somerset. I brought him back to Somerset and had him go to the home of one of our fosters. ( I rarely do any fostering because I have eight elderly dogs (from 9 to 14 years old) of my own and about twenty-some cats for Stray No More and my home is not as welcoming as some of the other members' houses.) On Tuesday my dog warden, Dennis Wetzel, came to my home along with a dog warden from another county and the chief of the Borough police for Somerset and demanded that I take Barnabus to the Somerset County Humane Society--our arch enemy--to be quarantined. He indicated that we could not be trusted to do it. I took him to the Humane Society within the hour. He stayed with them for ten days. During the time that Barnabus was at the Humane Society I spoke to New England Old English Sheepdog Rescue. I made arrangements for him to be neutered here at our vet in Somerset once he came out of quarantine because I wasn't about to let him go anywhere without that done. I figured I had made enough mistakes for awhile. I made an appointment with Carlene, a behavior specialist, to have Barney evaluated whenever he came out of quarantine. The stage was set. I received a call to go to the Humane Society to pick Barnabus up. As soon as I came through the door there Dennis came to me with a fistful of citations right inside the Humane Society and in front of all of the workers who were smirking and enjoying my embarassment immensely. Of the citations he gave to me there was one I had earned legitimately--a citation for no rabies shot for Barnabus-- but several that I did not deserve. Dennis called me a dealer, called Barnabus a dangerous dog, called me a harborer of a dangerous dog. A court date was set for June 22nd. Janet |
This whole thing is just horrendous , I don't even know what to say. The real victims here are Barnabus and Janet, who have both paid a steep price because people couldn't tell the truth. I hope Dennis feels proud of himself, what a pathetic, despicable man he is .
Janet, I hope you don't give up on rescue. You are the only truthful person involved in this mess. If there is any way for the forum to assist you please ask, I for one would be happy to do anything possible. It sickens me that in a state like PA with all it's puppymills the "officers" find it of upmost importance that one puppy must die. I'm very sorry that a member of this forum was involved, lied to you, and chose to disregard all the advice she was given; which if heeded may have saved Barbabus. |
What a terrible situation. I don't have much to add but I am so saddened by the entire scenario. . . especially the ending.
Ron - It is so easy to look back in retrospect and say, "I should have. . ." At least we know for the future some key words to jump at. There are so many situations that come up at the forum it is sometimes difficult to know which ones could have such drastic consequences. I'm glad the forum is here to help support the OES community and those seeking to find out knowledge about the breed. This situation will hopefully lead to more positive endings in the future. |
This just makes me so sad. Whenever I hear the name, I think of my dog. And I remember how HARD it was with him when we first got him and for the next several months. I had even contacted someone about taking him from me because I thought it was just too hard. Of course we both persevered and he has calmed down a LOT, but I can only imagine something horrible happening to him if I had let him go... |
bestdogsx4 wrote: I hope Dennis feels proud of himself, what a pathetic, despicable man he is .
Truly a very small petty human being that has no heart or compassion. Many things went wrong in this situation. But this despicable human being had the chance to help clear it up, but it sounds as if he simply used the situation to further his own vile means. I can only say that the only saving grace here is that Karma will work its magic and Dennis will reap what he has sown. |
Couldn't someone start a petition to fire this Dennis person on grounds that he has no idea what he is doing?
Please keep up the good work Janet. RIP Barnabas...you didn't deserve this. |
Here is more info on "Dennis" and his antics
Quote: Elissa, Several months ago I went to court to get special permission to keep my own eight elderly dogs at my house. Our borough has a limit of four dogs. My guys are all the result of rescue--Puppy Boy and Puppy Girl have seizures. Dawber Dawg is almost blind, Rookie the Cookie is deaf. Repo has skin cancer. Shirlee Mae has hip dysplaysia. Buffy St. Marie came out of a house with 57 dogs in it and is crazy as a loon. The only regular dog is Boston Tea Party. This was well publicized, the decision that came down was that we could ABSOLUTELY not have any other dogs at our house of the borough would step in and take four of my old doggies away. Everyone was aware of this in our little town. Especially Dennis. Dennis decided that the only way that Barnabus was to leave the Humane Society would be if he came to my house. Not to one of our members' homes. He said that Barney was mine and he had to come to MY house or I would be charged with abandonment and Barnabus would be euthanized on the spot because I had abandoned him and given ownership to the Humane Society and THEY would not adopt out a vicious, biting dog. I spent the entire day on the phone trying to speak with one person in the Dog Law Enforcement who had any compassion or who could think on their own. I never found one. I spoke, begged, pleaded, cried, threw the phone, cajoled, and screamed at these people to please understand that we have other members who would be glad to keep Barnabus for the two and a half months until his trial. They said no. I take the dog or they would kill the dog. Whatever. I took Barnabus home with me. As soon as Dennis found out that I had made that decision he brought over the chief of the Borough police with him to make sure that I was treating Barnabus okay, to let me know that the dog was not allowed to leave my property for any reason--the neuter was out, the assessment was out and he had to stay on a leash at all times and muzzled when he was outside--and to make an excellent witness to the fact that I had brought another dog in my house to live despite the warnings from the borough. Something will be done about that at my appeal concerning my own dogs that is scheduled for July 11th--you can bank on that. I sent you the emails that I exchanged with Granny Annie and another person from OES rescue. At the beginning, I was leery of Barnabus--I guess I expected his head to swivel around or something--but I soon got past that. He made me get past it. He was too cool for me to treat with kid gloves for very long. He and I formed a wonderful bond. I would recite the pledge of allegiance to him in a booming voice and he would cock his head from one side to the other, trying and trying to understand what I wanted from him. I would whisper his name when he was in the other room and he would come flying to see what was up. I have a goofy way of saying everyone's name. It is like giving each one of them a nickname. He was always the Mama's Boy Barn- e- bus. Janet |
As I sit scratching my own rescued Sheepie...I am glad that El Dorado County has an Animal Control Dept that is full of compassionate and loving people.
I feel for Janet and the trouble that she must deal with in order to do what is right! |
Hi,
I was unable to write anything after reading the story the first time...total disbelief. Had to read it again and again. It left with me with such a hollow feeling..this poor boy didn't deserve a death sentence. Now the question is what can we do? We can't sit back and do nothing and let it happen again to Janet's other special needs pets in her home. Can we as a group..offer letters of support for her upcoming case regarding the 8 dogs in her home? Evil resides when good men do nothing. Marianne and the boys |
My heart goes out to Janet who's only flaw is trusting other human beings (something most of us on the forum are guilty of, I'm sure). I don't have much to add to what everyone has said except that I'm very upset about all this and keep crying sporatically as I read Janet's email postings.
I've never really been involved in any type of activism, but now would be the time. I'm open to any suggestions for how I can contribute. NOTE: Not sure how my post got into another earlier thread |
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