Snarling...wow
She did NOT want to go and when I forcefully nudged her out the door she actually had the audacity to snarl and show her teeth at me.....wow...Ive never seen her do that.....Brian wanted me to help him clean up the mess, but I figured I had bigger issues..... So, out we both went and I put her in a sit/stay for 10 minutes. Then I touched her bum and collar(both of which I was touching when she snarled) and in a firm voice told her I was the boss......then I brushed her for the next half hour(I figured since she was being so submissive at this point, why not)....did I do the right thing..is there something else that I should have done???? Ive never had her do this before.....Im blown away! |
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| I don't know really, but it sounds like you did the right thing to me??
Maybe the glass hitting the floor scared her? Was it an actual glass? Did it break? Maybe she got a shard of glass somewhere? |
| Maybe it was hot outside and she wanted those ice cubes? |
| No it was a plastic cup..filled with ice....which I did know she wanted, but still.......hmmm.... |
She's not sore in those areas that you touched when she snarled, just a thought there  Either that or she just got a scare  |
Darcy wrote: No it was a plastic cup..filled with ice....which I did know she wanted, but still.......hmmm.... Now I'm confused... you said he spilled his ice cubes everywhere and (I assume that means Panda saw the accident and the prospect of some nice ice cubes) and then you tried to herd her out the door.
It's no excuse for snarling, but maybe an explanation. |
| He spilled a large plastic cup full of ice water...she saw it and started walking through it....I called her away and Brian said "No, put her outside..." .....We were standing right by the back door, I opened it and she wouldnt go (which was odd to begin with) so I use her collar to do a little tug and she still wouldnt go, so I used the collar and my left hand on her hiney to shove her along...(and it was flat palm on her poopie area on the back end pushing her out, not hand on top pushing down and out....)
Now, I thought about her back leg thing, therefore, I used more pressure on the collar end than her rear....I am always careful about her legs...she is acting all lovey now, maybe she was just having a ''moment"...... Thank goodness we go to the vet next week.... |
| It is awful when we get a glimpse that our beloved pets are animals.
I'd say two things -- NO dog likes being grabbed by the collar and pushed or pulled anywhere. And given her back leg limping, she may have been overreacting to protect her injury site. Way back when, CHum would growl and snap at me for touching one of her hips. At the time, I didn't realize she had a hotspot which was hurting her. Sounds like you did the right thing though -- at least in the after part where you calmly made her submit to your authority. I find that just walking into a dogs space and backing them up is a better way for me to get them where I want them to be when they are not on leashes. Doesn't always work, but it works alot of the time. Kisses for Panda! She didn't mean to disappoint you. SHe's not a bad girl! |
| I have one sheepie that doesn't do well with a lot of commotion (my mostly blind sheepie Kaytee). When we let them outside it's now with 1 or 2 others but not the whole pack unless she's let out last. We found it's too much confusion or activity for her and she'd race around getting way over excited. That and steroid eye drops we think lead to a problem of biting the other girls... we think we've made the appropriate changes now and the behavior has stopped.
So I'm thinkin'... maybe the noise and the scattering of the ice cubes confused or over excited Panda? Or maybe she simply REALLY wanted them. If you feel you can work through the problem without getting bit, you might reenact the situation a few times but get control of her immediately with a LEAVE IT! Maybe reward her with ONE cube for being good after they've all been picked up. It may show her the proper way to behave should it happen again. Also, you mentioned in another thread that you felt she was limping on occasion... maybe you just touched her "wrong" and it caused pain? |
| How did Brian say to put her outside? Was he gruff or loud about it? She could have been thinking that she needed to protect you from him. When you went to put her out she got cranky because she wanted to stay to make sure you were okay.
It's still no excuse for her giving you the backtalk. |
| I'm not sure... Last night Pip started barking and growling at either
A) his new blue ball or B) the dining room curtains It could be that she was just startled and was growling at whatever frightened her, not necessarily at you. |
| Thanks all, I really dont think she was frightened at all...I think she just REALLY wanted the ice cubes..(which I would have given her) had she behaved...
Brian didnt sound loud or gruff, just exasperated with himself....It may have been her hip, but I think it was the collar....I have replayed it all night, (I am way overthinking this) and I KNOW that I didnt grab or pull too hard.... 6 more days till the vet...please keep your fingers crossed that it was just a moment and not something more serious! |
| Poor Darce...Barney's growled at me a few times in situations similar to that. I have pretty much stopped grabbing him by his collar. I kind of get behind him and bump him forward with my knees if I want him to move (silly looking...yes!) but it works fairly well and he hasn't growled at me when I do that.
It does sound like Panda might have been having a testy female moment, though. It sounds like you handled it well. It always scares me to death when Barns growls... |
| Remember...growling is good....Normally if a dog growls, and the growl is ignored, they will move to the next step whcih is a snap...another warning....I am thinking that it was strange if there was no pause between the 2 behaviors....
But why did she growl/snap? That is the question and I am leaning towards her being in pain or afraid she would be hurt..(her leg)...Or the whole collar thing.....Dogs do not like to have thier collar grabbed. Dixie has done a growly/snappy thing at my husband. When I asked what HE was doing to her he said "I was just holding her head and tightly rubbing the sides of her face. Bosley loves it when I do that." Guess what? Dixie doesn't....and it frightened her.... I would just leave it be and be careful with collar grabbing n the future...and tell the vet. |
| It is so dishearting. To see a puppy growl my girl does and it scares me. I can now take her bone from her now, the whole giver her a treat then take the bone then give it back helped. But if she grabs something like a plastic dish and I want it back she freezes (I know then that this won't be easy so I have to get a treat for trades)
She also snaps at the cats if they come near her eating. I can put my hand in but she is very protective of her food from them Do the grow out of this? My dog that passed on never acted like this the cats could eat of the dish at the same time. Just seems wrong that everytime I want to take something I have to treat her, I feel like it is the wrong message. so confused  |
| I always say, as much as we hate to admit it our beloved sheepies are ANIMALS and once in a while that comes out!!! She was definately having a moment!!! You did the right thing and asserted yourself as the boss and in control. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
One time when I was cutting Taskers nails he got annoyed with me and wanted to get away, I continued to cut and he turned into a snarling/snapping mass of sheepie. It scared the wits out of me. But as soon as I realized I had not hurt him in anyway, he was just being a snot, I regained control and we finished the manicure. I'll never forget how hurt I was that he would snap at me.....but he is a dog!! |
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