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Its sad that all of you dont have concerns for ALL the members who have been here awhile,and all of sudden they dont come around :cry:

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Anonymous wrote:

Its sad that all of you dont have concerns for ALL the members who have been here awhile,and all of sudden they dont come around :cry:

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As in life, different people develope different types of realtionships on a forum. Some people are around alot, others not so much. It would be pretty impossible to keep track of everyone. That doesn't mean they aren't missed or that we aren't concerned.

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Its sad that all of you dont have concerns for ALL the members who have been here awhile,and all of sudden they dont come around :cry:

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Is that even for real? If not, wow, get a life. We're not taking attendance here.

I totally agree with Jill! Somebody is way too sensitive....
Marianne is always on here and responds to almost every single post.
When she is gone...WE NOTICE!!!
Besides there are sooo many members!!
If someone hasn't posted in a while and posts I am sure they would get a wonderful welcome back...but there is no way we can remember everyone.

I have a different take on it... Who is missing?!? I deeply apologize ; I've been thinking about posters who have disappeared lately and I am having trouble thinking of everyone -- my poor abilities in remembering names is quite well known around here!

I would appreciate ANY help in remembering posters! Drop me a PM or send me an email if you don't want to make a public post about it.

I'll try to contact everyone!

Anonymous wrote:

Its sad that all of you dont have concerns for ALL the members who have been here awhile,and all of sudden they dont come around :cry:

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If you are the kind of person who needs support and recognition, then I'd suggest that you express that and the wonderful members on this board will give it to you. Personally, I come and go based on how busy my business is - when we're busy I don't have time to post! I would hope that no one worries too much when I "disappear". As Bailey knows, work comes first because someone has to pay for the dog food and rawhides :lol:

Marrianne is missing again????? OK what gives???I bet shes frockling in the heat w/ her sheepies!!LOL!!!I know Ive been outside ALOT,and just love this heat!!

I also read that someone feels that most of you dont give concern for others who stop posting for a while.I have too agree w/ him/her.I know sometimes I go months w/o posting,and not 1single person will ask or email me too make sure Im ok,or my pets are ok.Altho I really dont care and understand all about clicks and such,I do see how someone would feel left out or felt not as important as others.So saying "get a life" and such is very disrespectful,and shows the non caring enviorment this board has alot of.

So it would be nice "if" people showed cncern for everyone here,especially the ones who have been here a while,but when you have clicks and your not apart of it be prepared too feel left out.

JMO so I dont need anyone too post some novel too me saying Im wrong in this,because these are my feelings,and obviously somene else feels the same way.I just wanted too validate the posters insight.

I hope Marianne feels better soon. I was worried about her too, because I knew she has pneumonia and wasn't exactly taking it easy with her schedule.

I'm sorry someone feels hurt. There's so many people on this forum, it's hard to keep up with everyone. I know I post in spurts a lot. When my husband is home, I can check in pretty much everyday. When he's deployed, I'm lucky if I can check in once a week. I think Marianne was noticed because 1) she posted she was very sick and then pretty much disappeared, 2) she posts on almost every post here, 3) she's been a member here for quite a while, and 4) everyone missed her stories.

I'm on several groups, mostly mommy groups for advice/support for my kiddos, so I've come across this before. I also apologize for not responding to many posts. Sometimes, I check in when I can - usually get called away by the boys and forget to respond to it (probably 75% of the time - lol). Either that or someone already posted what I was going to say, so I don't see the point of repeating it and being redundant.

One of the nice things about this forum is the relative lack of controversy and the fact that when we do disagree we do it diplomatically and with respect for the other posters feelings, most of the time.

So, Tanya, I won't post a novel telling you that you are wrong but I will respectfully disagree. Those of us who are on the forum frequently do get to know peoples posting habits and notice when they change radically. Some people post occasionally and it is more difficult to notice if they are absent. Some people like you post sporadically. If you were to not post for a period of time I would not be any less concerned about you than another memeber but because you do tend to come and go I might not notice it.

Posters who are regulars are pretty good about letting us know when they need support or are having difficulties and I think for a group of "stangers" we do an admirable job providing that support.

Short of keeping a chart of who posts when it would be impossible to know if someone were missing for a more than "acceptable" period of time. I don't think that someone who does post because they notice that someone is absent should feel bad because they may not have missed the absence of another poster.

Well said Ginny.

Ginny,I used too be a consistant poster here,however the click on here makes it not as pleasureable as it used too be.Many times I have posted w/ no responce and after getting no responce I have slowly given this board up,and I know I am not the only one who hasnt come here as much due too this.Once in a while I come here too see how Karen and Mike are,and too see how Elissa baby is,and too see how jo is liking Alaska,but thats about it.Once I seen a poster who felt the same as me at times,and of others who left due too the click here I felt I needed too let this poster know that they are NOT alone in feeling this way.

Its the attitude of "that doesnt happen here"or everyoe gettin all defensive over what me and guest had too say..Instead of replying in a caring mannor I find it halarious how some people are quick too defend their actions,instead of being more respectful of how others feel.That action alone is what causes people too slowly fade away,and find other boards too join.

Like I said I posted all the time before the ignoreing of my post started,Ive even made comments of my post being ignored w/ no responce,When I started not too post as often no one EVER asked is Tanya ok?I wonder if shes ok.Also I have seen TONS of other old regulars who just get overlooked,and finally said too the heck w/ this BS.So YES it happens here ALOT,and Im glad someone finally brought it out.

Tanya, I'm really sorry you feel that way, and no one is trying to tell you your opinion is not valid, everyone's opinion is valid! Sometimes we just don't know what to say in response to something someone has said, or in the interests of harmony, we choose to say nothing.
I've posted many times where there was no or little response... if people aren't interested in the subject matter I hardly expect them to pretend they are. Yes, I pout a bit over it LOL But I don't let it change anything.
Sometimes our lives just get busy... mine has been a whirlwind lately and I've hardly posted each day because I've been busy showing Panda... sometimes I only get time to glance through a few, and maybe reply to some if I can think of anything to say, and have time LOL

Honestly, if the forum became nothing but always keeping after everyone's well being we'd run out of time to talk about sheepdogs!
If someone has something going on and want to share that with us, great, if not, that's fine too.... that sounds callous right? It's not that we don't care, but, speaking for myself, I cannot become totally absorbed in someone else's life all the time.

One of the things I like about this forum is it's inclusiveness....... I have been on forums where there really were "cliques" and it is not pleasant. I don't have time (wish I did) to read every post, I have to pick and chose what looks interesting to me, which I think is the point of a forum.

If I don't respond it's because a) I don't have time b) it may be a subject I am not interested in or b) my mother always told me if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything. I find it far better to simply stay out of a discussion or not comment on something that I don't agree with than to say something unkind or meanspirited.

I also find that there are posters I don't read because of the "style" of their posting, some people post with no break for paragraphs or take soo long to say something that I forget what it was about to start with. Quite honestly Tanya I find your bold print difficult to read. So it may have nothing to do with the poster or the subject when i don't read a post. Some people may avoid my posts because of my terrible spelling and awful typing :lol:

Like Stacy, I have started threads or made posts that don't get the response I hoped. Instead of taking it personally I just accept that what ever may have been a burning issue to me isn't to the others and move on.

I am sorry if anyone feels slighted here, I think this is a pretty great group of people and would hate to see it become anything other than what it is, a warm friendly forum where eveyone is respected. But I also don't think, by it's very nature, that an internet forum is any place to have ones "love and belonging" needs met. Those are issues best dealt with elsewhere.

I think I've said enough on this subject and hope I have not stepped on any toes.

I care about you, Tanya!

just a quick answer. I was a BIG poster person. I have not come in for a lonf time.

Reason personal life is hell. We have gone through so much and its not over yet.

It is hard to come in here when your life is upside down and in strife..

Just my 2 cents

I care about you too, D... and your husband R., too!

Thanks Ron

I know that sometimes I think, hmmm...haven't seen any posts from X lately...wonder why? But I don't have much of a pm relationship with anyone here, so I wonder to myself and go on...I just don't think to post about it.
I haven't felt that it was too clique-y here, but I guess it could be. And whenever I start a thread that no one responds to, I just think, hmmm must have been a boring topic to other people (or recently covered in another thread that I didn't check).

Tanyathenurse wrote:

I think that the forum is what you make it for yourself. I and many others have had posts with no response but I for one don't take it personally. Some days I respond to almost every post; on other days I respond to almost none. It certainly never never occurred to me that it might hurt someones feelings

I'm truly sorry if you feel this way but I don't think it has anything to do with a clique.

Tanya ,
I enjoy reading your posts. I don't really post much because I don't have the time. I"m a nurse too and I've been working alot lately. I usually check in every couple days and read the posts and look at the pics. I don't usually post comments just because I don't have time and don't want to insult anyone by not commenting or commenting on one pic and not another. I hope I'm not one of the people that offended you.

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and too see how jo is liking Alaska

aweee

and that's why I like coming here because of how close people are and truly care for one another. unlike ANY board i've gone to. i do understand all sides of this though (and have no comment..mr. j is sitting here getting mad at me..he doesn't want me replying and getting into the middle of this... he's such a retard). :lol:

i don't know where to say this, but man.. willowsprite, that's a wonderful avatar

Tanyathenurse wrote:

So saying "get a life" and such is very disrespectful,and shows the non caring enviorment this board has alot of.

I really don't believe it has anything to do with disrespect. There's just simply no reason to get upset because everyone doesn't come calling to see where people are. I think it would be pretty self centered and immature to be upset. Not every post gets answered. No big deal and move on. It's a very large group and as long as the people that you care about pay attention to you, what more do you need?

We all have lives outside of the forum and it doesn't mean that we don't care about each other. Some people have formed friendships outside of the forum and talk to those people both online and off. Those aren't necessarily cliques, it's just being friends. We're all civil to each other but that doesn't mean we're all going to be the best of friends, but that's fine. That's life and should be expected!

Joahaeyo wrote:

i don't know where to say this, but man.. willowsprite, that's a wonderful avatar

Thanks

I smell a group hug coming on.

lol..

Tanya,
When you disappeared I was worried about you. But I was also getting forwarded e-mails from you every know and then so I knew you had to be ok. Just thought you were too busy with everyday stuff like the dogs..kids...etc.
I missed seeing your posts. I don't really see any cliques here. Just a bunch of people that post a lot.
I have also made some posts and didn't get hardly any responses.
Don't feel like you are the only one.
(((((HUGS))))))

Speaking of the missing...
Where is Saul? Did Danita have the baby???

Another thing, how do you people aren't checking on you? Just like Elissa said, she had been receiving forwards from you so either you were alive and busy or there was a very tricky killer out there who had disposed of you and just wanted to keep people thinking you were alive by forwarding random e-mails from your account. So who's to say there weren't people in the chat who were talking and said, "Has anyone heard from Tanya?" Elissa could have said that she had just received e-mail from you and therefor their fears would have been allayed. There would be no record of that happening and no one would have posted a big message telling the National Guard to stand down from their search and rescue mission to find you.
Also some people value their privacy and if they were receiving messages from a bunch of people it could be construed as prying instead of caring. If I received PMs or e-mails where the only reason for the message would be to check on my welfare from people that I don't regularly converse with I would be a little weirded out. But I guess that means I'm in a clique and that's bad too. (Too as in also.)
As for cliques, just because people joke with each other or have knowledge of each others lives it doesn't make it an exclusive club and it doesn't mean they are trying to exclude anyone. It just means they have developed a more in depth relationship. You get what you give.

If there is anyone out there that feels they need more cheerleading from their computer, try one of these:
http://www.scienceofmind.com/site/affir ... index.html
http://www.orindaben.com/db/dbaffirm/affirmations.php

Well thanks for caring I do appreciate it,however it wasnt an attention getter or a need too feel cared about on a web board.It was simply me validating another poster's feelings on how it is sad not everyone gets the same concern as the people who either types novels when posting or people in a click.I love Marrianne too death and Im sure if and when she reads this she will feel the same way,that not everyone gets that concern.

People saying "get a life",and makeing comments on bad spelling or grammer,or even bold typing is just another dig too point out someones short comings,and that is the problem.Someone points out another posters spelling errors or the way they type saying "I find it hard too read",please give us a break the holier than tho attitude needs too stop.

Im not afraid of speaking up,and I feel some of the members on here are the reason so many people just disappear,and dont come back.The ignoring of post,the way some people post to NOT get a responce however when a few of you post EVERYONE gives their 2cents too it.It irritating,and no it isnt a matter of wanting too feel care for,or being needed by web site people its a matter of joining a "group" and taking the time too join,post and add your thoughts on other post only too be ignored time and time again. on yours.

Ive had 3people Pm me stateing they too feel the same way as I do,and Ron Id be more than happy too forward them too ya,I would Never out anyone when they come too me,but I know Ron wouldnt say anything and being the admin. he should know that his feeling goes way further than me,and a guest poster...

Tanyathenurse wrote:

Since I am the only one who made these comments I assume it is my " holier than thou attitude" you are refering to" I hesitate to continue this discussion since it is pretty futile but I do want to point out that it was my OWN poor spelling and bad typing I was referring to. I apologize for having a difficult time with your bold type, I thought I made it clear it was my own short coming not yours.

I apologize for anything I said that may have offended you, I certainly care about you and you feelings. I don't understand how this has blown into such a an issue.

I've been reading this thread and have hesitated to chime in. I feel badly that anyone feels left out or not thought of on the forum. As in daily life with "physical" friends and family, I do find it difficult to always be thinking of everyone and absorbing the difficulties in their life and vice versa. We all get caught up with things that are going on with ourselves. I can honestly say that I've had more days in my life I don't think that anyone besides my Mom is thinking or caring about me. Those are the days I go home and smooch my pups over and over again to make myself feel better and loveable. I try to tell myself that people are busy with their own activites or thoughts.

The appearance of cliques on the forum may be attributed to people with similar interests and also that some people have met one another in person. I do think that lends itself to closer relationships. I wish I could meet EVERYONE on the forum face to face, but sadly I don't think it's possible.

I hope everyone knows that they aren't alone. We are all out here for support, just drop us a note. Unfortunately, it's not always possible to respond to everything.

I have never been known to be a "thick skinned" individual and I've ben told I'm extremely sensitive. I have found the forum to be a wonderful place to share my thoughts and seek adivce on many OES and personal issues. :hearts:

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I agree about continuing the discussion but I never know when to quit so... :twisted:

Ginny, to come to your defense, I also find bold type very difficult to read, even without serifs. I sit in front of a computer all day and it just bothers my eyes to read. Sometimes the structure of a post makes it hard to read, whether it's the grammar, how it separated (ellipses, slashes, dashes, whatever) but if it's something I want to read about, I'll still read it. Everyone has typos or misspellings here and there-- that's nothing to get excited about. Well, unless you're me or Stephanie who edit or proofread for a living, but even then not in the forum!

Tanya, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you feel ignored about. I did a quick search through your posts just to see if what you were saying was valid and almost every one had a response. One that didn't was the thread that involved rescuing Bear, the dog that I had already expressed interest in adopting earlier in the thread. No one answered because, other than myself, no one had any information. As I was already in the process of trying to adopt him, I didn't share.

All my post is not all about me and my post beng "ignored",its about the other 5 or more people who feel exactly the same way as I do and as the guest poster feels.

Its about being apart of a "group" and only the loud people,only the outspoken people getting answers too their post.Its about people saying "your post doesnt interest me",when in fact someone is posting in hopes someoe w/ experience can give some sound advice weather that post "interest" them or not.

Its about the whole negitive vibe,and the picking people apart for not haivng the same "rules when having an OES",making people feel like they are hurting OR doing wrong to their beloved pet.It happens here all the time.

Its about someone expressing their feelings of being ignored,and having grown adults being so cold towards them,and showing no care for their feelings.KNow how it feels when you express your feelings w/ no validation?Sucks doesnt it?

This is supposed too be a group,and theres several people who agree that theres about 3people running the whole show,and 1 of them is NOT Ron.

No it isnt my problem if someone feels left out or ignored,but being a caring person I am I want too validate someones feeling.It really isnt that hard too do.If someone takes the time too join this group,takes the time too post,for goodness sakes will hurt too just type a small little post back?Too make that person feel apart of this group?For me I have stopped posting pretty much for good UNTIL I saw how cold some of the members can be,and that was just so unfair,and heartless.So this is why Ive stuck up for those of us who feel ignored and for those of us who USED too post alot and dot any more due too politics here.

First of all I find it odd that a "guest" started this uproar. If you are indeed a "guest" how would we know if you quit posting?

Tanya, I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. I have reread this thread several times thinking I must be missing something; all I've read are people expressing their honest feelings on the topic. I see no evidence of cliques or politics, again I may be missing something. It would be helpful to me if you could cite examples of people making others feel that they are hurting or doing wrong to their pets, if it "happens all the time" I must have not seen those posts.

As far as getting no replies perhaps nobody knew what to say or the thread didn't require a response; that happens often when someone posts about a book or website that may be of interest to others.

I'm not sure what you mean about the cliques, as I see it some people have more in common with each other than others so they would naturally gravitate to each other. This could be because they live near each other, have the same breeder, share the same medical issues with their dogs , or merely speak on the chat. There are endless reasons.

The reality is that people come and go all the time but it's more obvious when they are prolific posters. Those who post sporadically tend to fall off the radar.

Tanya, I'm also sorry that you and the other anonymous people feel slighted by the forum. I remember the other time you posted that you felt people were ignoring you. I too have had some posts with little or no responses through the years. I don't take it personally, I just figure that people aren't interested in the topic & that's it. I know you have received a lot of caring posts about certain things that have taken place in your life.

There are also going to be topics where people don't have any information or responses to provide you with. There are other times that people will ask the same question over & over and not bother using the search feature to find their answers.

I'm sorry that you have hard feelings about this forum being cliquey. I have formed some wonderful friendships with people on the forum, but there are also people on here, that the only thing I have in common with them is the love for their OES. That is the common bond that we all value and why we are all here which is awesome.

Unfortunately, I also have to jump on the bandwagon about the bold type too. It really is rough on the eyes. I'm sorry if this offends you as I'm not sure why it is that you bold your posts.

My bold typing is due to me HAVING to use it due too my eyes once it is posted I have a hard time reading all of your post that isnt in bold so I hope that clears that huge issue up about my bold typing.

For the last time most of my post on this subject isnt about this particular post.Its a general feeling amoung roughly 5-8members here.The feeling of not being as well kept as some of the others.I have stood up for the people who I felt needed me too,and Im done w/ this.What I hope comes out of all of this is maybe some of he members who are a bit rash can be a tad more sensitive.I guess its hard too beleive there are a few sensitive people left out in this world,and for me i choose too stand up for them.

As for the "guest" poster I know who it is and trust me all of you would be VERY surprised as too who felt that way.Also youd be very surprised who else feels this way,but Im sure thats not something for you too worry about.

Yes I have had some very wonderful people here be very sweet when I nded it,and that was NEVER this issue.When my Joey was killed,the factmy daughter has a heart defect I couldnt ask for better peolpe than Elissa,Jo,Karen and a few other people (cant forget mouthy!)That wasnt my point at all.

The last thing Im going too say is the people who get what im saying are the ones that matter the most,Im glad I stood up for a handful of people and IM glad I have made the friends here I have.Maybe the next time when you see a post your not interested in just maybe youll take the time too give it some of your time.

Are you really saying that EVERY poster should reply to EVERY post???? Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe that you reply to every post ......

The point of a forum is to get involved in the discussions that you are interested in. Not making responses mandatory.

Just a couple weeks ago I posted a thread regarding designer purses. There were a number of views but not a single response. It never occurred to me to be offended, I just realized it wasn't a subject that anyone was interested in.

Tanya I think your point has been made, we are cold heartless people and we will try to do better in the future. You have done a pretty good job of blasting us all, I've tried to bite my tongue, or sit on my fingers as the case may be and not respond in kind but I really think the entire thing has gone too far. You seem to be the only one who has a problem, no one else has responded in agreement with you.

Until this thread exploded we had a pretty harmonious group going. We did not necessarily agree on all issues but I don't believe that is a requirement of a forum. You seem to have some great need to continue stirring this pot untill it boils over. I keep telling myself I am not coing back to this thread to see what insult you will hurl at us next but for some morbid reason I can't stay away, Can we just agree that you are wonderful, we are awful and simply put an end to this?

I know I'm awful. I'll agree on that. Just today alone I kicked a puppy and didn't help an old lady across the street. Muhahahaha. :twisted:

By the way, Ginny, where's your purse thread? How in the heck did I miss that? Shame on both Darcy and me!

Its those types of remarks that prove my point.I have not said Im better than anyone,maybe thats your issue not mine.Ive been saying a bit more sensitivity would be wonderful,I can see it sure wont come from you.No one is backing me up due too they feel YOU will continue as you have done w/ me.

Im responding too question people ask me.I have mentioned MANY wonderful people on here in my post,your just not one of them,and Im sorry for that.The way you continue too come at me is silly.You have single handed proven my point.All Ive ask is too treat people w/ more of a caring attitude,and for some reason that ticks you off,sorry.

I will not out anyone but Im sending Ron my Pm's so he can see infact there are plenty of people feeling this way.I took it too private w/ Ginny only for her too get ticked off and say im harassing her when she infact asked me why Im saying what I have.If you dont want too know please dont ask.

So either sit on your fingers or Pm your issues dont need too bother everyone else.Thank you

Don't worry, it was on FAKE desinger purses, you and Darce go for the REAL thing :twisted:

Sorry you didn't make the wonderful club, Ginny. I still think you're super cool.

Tasker's Mom wrote:

Don't worry, it was on FAKE desinger purses, you and Darce go for the REAL thing :twisted:

I'm not against a good fake. My friend bought be a great Burberry knock off in Shanghai-- that's where the good fakes come from!

ButtersStotch wrote:

Sorry you didn't make the wonderful club, Ginny. I still think you're super cool.

Tasker's Mom wrote:

Don't worry, it was on FAKE desinger purses, you and Darce go for the REAL thing :twisted:

I'm not against a good fake. My friend bought be a great Burberry knock off in Shanghai-- that's where the good fakes come from!

You can get REALLY GREAT fakes at ioffer.com
I get coach, LV and dooney all the time for CHEAP!

Tanyathenurse wrote:

Marrianne is missing again????? OK what gives???I bet shes frockling in the heat w/ her sheepies!!LOL!!!I know Ive been outside ALOT,and just love this heat!!

Good you agree with me-we'll keep this type of reply with the original
thread!

The non topic posts go to a separate thread..........

Thanks!

I actually do agree w/ you,in posting that I was trying too figure out how to edit ALL I posted.

Tanyathenurse wrote:

I actually do agree w/ you,in posting that I was trying too figure out how to edit ALL I posted.

Please ask Ron to make a separate thread for the non topic
discussions.

Thanks !

Well for what it's worth, I too miss members when I realize they haven't posted for some time. I don't always have the time to read all the posts, and when I do, I often find that the points others have made already I agree with, and being a man of few words I see no point is repetition, so I go to the next post. Neither am I a contentious person; if I disagree with another's opinion, I usually find their opinion of interest, but prefer not to violate their right to hold it by expressing disagreement.

What keeps me coming back to all of you is the group knowledge of our OES', their pictures, antics, problems and the overall caring of the group for one another. Any group will have to accommodate controversy, otherwise one winds up with a group of two, and then each thinks the other is crazy.

But more than all of this is the real concern always expressed for the welfare of one another, especially when their sorrows, losses or burdens are shared. To which I respond - though not often enough on the forum - each morning:

"Lord please bless the members of the Forum, especially those with special needs."

Okay, all crankiness aside, I LOVE the new title to this thread!! That is why Ron is our amazing, faithful leader. :high5:

Maxmm wrote:

Okay, all crankiness aside, I LOVE the new title to this thread!! That is why Ron is our amazing, faithful leader. :high5:

LOL Ditto

Maxmm wrote:

Okay, all crankiness aside, I LOVE the new title to this thread!! That is why Ron is our amazing, faithful leader. :high5:

LOL, me too.

I love all of you guys. :pupeyes:

<-- Look, I shed a tear.

ButtersStotch wrote:

I love all of you guys. :pupeyes:

<-- Look, I shed a tear.

(((((Hugs to everyone))))) Awww, I can feel the love. :hearts:

Leave it to Ron to make us realize how silly we all are being :lol:

As El Gato said a few posts back, group hug......... out of high school back to the world of adults!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a great avatar Pepsi's Mommy! Each new one becomes my favorite!!

I seem to be saying that a lot to people lately. Everyone just seems to be updating their pictures and they look great.

WOW

I just read all of this today. And to be honest it felt like MY family had a falling out at thanksgiving and no one wanted to slice the turkey until they got a say-so :twitch:

I say, in a completley nor argumentitive way, to move on without pushing anybody to the side. Isn't there like a billion people that are members anyways :phew:

My post don't get a whole lot of response b/c they're never really about OES, mainly about school, but i get the extra support i need and especially all of the wonderful posts when Koda was killed. I don't get tl post alot about other peoples posts, guess im selfish, but when i have time i read everybodies that i can, and usually they are already a few days old, so i never know if they even get to see that i added a line or two about their topic, anywho...

It is not my intention to keep this going down a negative road or re-offend anybody, i just felt like adding MY 2 cents in, for what it's worth :hearts:

Shannon

Joahaeyo wrote:

What a great avatar Pepsi's Mommy! Each new one becomes my favorite!!

I seem to be saying that a lot to people lately. Everyone just seems to be updating their pictures and they look great.

Thanks Jo!

Your new one is beautiful. Yuki looks so grown up and pretty!

speaking of feeling left out....

RON what happen to my post titles IDEAS? in the general section??
the day after I posted it was gone! now I don't really think about posting anymore. I don't know what happened. I had one response about a sheepie (sorry I forget who responded) (it was cute though

)and then POOF

Gone.

no hard feelings anyway

Mellow,
It's still there.
http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=8162
It's on page 2. The ones with the most recent comments are always first.

oh. sheesh.

i even did a search and it didn't come up???????

i wonder what i did wrong.

Mellow,
I sent you a pm with some info.
That should help make it a bit easier for you

Wow...how did I miss this for so many days????? I think that it is up to the individual to feel included....no one can make you do or feel anything that you dont want..........

btw...ginny, I have a fake coach....just bought it and I love love it.....I can believe i missed that thread too....

Darcy,
This was part of another thread until yesterday ...probably why you missed it.

Just shows us Darcy doesn't care about Marianne, since she clearly wasn't reading that thread.

(I'M KIDDING!!)

ROFLMAO

Tasker's Mom wrote:

ROFLMAO

me too

Good one Val!!

Valerie wrote:

Just shows us Darcy doesn't care about Marianne, since she clearly wasn't reading that thread.

LOL! Poor Darcy, you know she loves everyone. :hearts:

And we love you too Darcy.

Umm.... "hi" tee hee hee.....

Hey JOSH, we haven't seen any BABY PICS in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a cutie puttutie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am preparing a post to update on Baby and Pooh. Well, not baby pooh...you know what I mean.....

WELL HURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

I hope not baby pooh......ewww STINKY!! lol
I can't wait to see more pics of Zach & Pooh (the dog) :lol:

Josh, Zach is adorable. More pictures please!

But to get back on post. Personally, when I take a long lapse in posting and no one posts to ask where I am, I don't take it personally, because usually when you do post again, you normaly get a few people asking how you are, where have you been etc.

Sounds like guest has an attention issue.....but knowing many of the posters here, guest would be wecomed back with a "where ya been?" like they always do!

Tanyathenurse wrote:

I have just come home and have spend time here to see whats going on
and it gave me quite a turn to see this topic :!:

I dont think we have a part of a "group" or a clique here, but we have to think about something else :!:

At this forum we are people from all over the world (I'mfrom Norway)
and we have a different language and many of us is'ntso strong in english.
I can talk for my self,, I have seen a lot of topic that I wantet to answer
but I can not find the right word.Some of you my bee dont want to answer because you are afraid to writ and do it wrong.
Dont be afraid, the people on this forum is tolerant that they will understand you :!:

I'm from Norway and is not a member of a "clique" here, but I feel that all of you show consideration and suport. I want to thank all of you
for the suport and PM and email that did my days in hospital so mutsh easyer.

Marianne!!!!!!!

I think on you and mis you, pleace let us know.

LOVE YOU ALL :hearts:

Well said Tove!

We love you Tove :kiss:

and we are all so glad you are back !!!!

Just a little alternate view -

I'm not as old on here as most people, but I love staying in tune with everyone who posts. Sometimes, however, I attach a person with their avatar, and when that avatar changes, I'm not sure who it is right away. (I think it's because I joined into the group more recently). When someone is gone for a while my mind just assumes that they changed their avatar and I got it mixed up with someone else! :roll:

Kindof a stupid thing to do, but it does happen . . . and then when a person returns and posts I think, "OH! They were gone, and I'm glad to hear they're back and posting and doing well!" For instance, although I was a member when Karen got Pippin, I used to attach her kitty picture with HER, and when she substituted it for the litter pic and then Pippin's it took me a while to get used to noticing her user name instead of her avatar. I guess I'm just graphically organized! :lol:

I did that a lot when I first came here (identified by avatar). Especially since so many people go by first names. I only know their usernames... and prefer going by that since it's too confusing for me to call them a different name (i assume they want to be called what they registered as). I've never been good with names anyway.

I have a hard time with names to Jo.................that is why I have MY name below, but alot of people prefe not to use their name online and there are good reasons for that. So I get all kinds of confused

I too used to get very confused when people changed their avatars when I first joined. Once I remembered screen names it was much easier.

Wow get busy for a couple days this place just goes crazy.. :lol:

I can see both sides of the issue here, because I've been where Tanya has been coming from. I post something, and get tramped on by other whom I felt had a holier than tho opinion, and talked about in PM...some resolved some didn't. I left for awhile, noone asked for me either...but I do enjoy hearing the stories and if I have experience to help someone I want to give it.

I agree to that there are way to many people to keep track of, I forget who does what which dog they have or what is happening in their lives. I thought of a few people because what they were going through was something of interest to me. Marianne for example, I have an ant problem and she is a great gardner from her post from last year I was wondering if she was going to pipe in soon. Plus she is one of us from Canada...makes it easier to solve an issue.

I like that we all have different jobs that can help others. We have life experiences to help another. We all have OES, which is why we are here in the first place.

I too at one felt this place was cliquey, until I realised if I joined in the discussion a little more, and contributed you get more out of it, and feel involved.

I still enjoy this place and appreciate the responses to my questions, it helps to have someone to "talk" to when you don't have any other resources. For me this place has made up for not having a mother or a sister, or a best friend...I get so much from this place and I'd be lost without it somedays.

Even hubby appreciated the good responses to his car questions...he was amazed a forum like this was better than any car forum he visited.

Clique according to Merriam Webster:

Pronunciation: 'klEk, 'klik
Function: noun
Etymology: French
: a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; especially : one held together by common interests, views, or purposes
- cliqu·ey also cliquy /'klE-kE, 'kli-/ adjective
- cliqu·ish /'kli-kish/ adjective
- cliqu·ish·ly adverb
- cliqu·ish·ness noun
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/clique

Using the adverb definition fo exclusive : 4 a : SINGLE, SOLE <exclusive jurisdiction> b : WHOLE, UNDIVIDED <his exclusive attention>
- ex·clu·sive·ly adverb

Being in a Clique is not a BAD thing

OES.org is a circle of people held together by their love for sheepies so exclusivity is not necessarily a bad thing

I love you all! :hearts:

"Can you feel the love tonight"

No music note emoticans...words by Elton John

I am a fairly new member having just joined in the last few months. I think this forum is the BEST I have ever seen

The members are SO helpful and friendly offering advice to those of us who need help often within a few minutes. I find OES.org to be a fabulous support system.

Online groups are unique because we participate with the amount we have time for as well as to the posts that are relevant to our lives.

I may not have time to respond to all of the posts I would like because I am cleaning up sheepie poop or chasing my kids around but it doesn't mean I'm not spitting my tea all over the screen as I read your stories :wink:

To be quite honest, one's perception of a situation is simply that, his/her perception based on personal life experiences. My perception is that this is a wonderfully supportive community and because of that, it will continue to be one for me

Lark
Noodle's mommy

I've been trying to avoid this thread because I'm WAY too Type A, but I just want to add my own opinion here, emphasis on the word "opinion."

This forum is absolutely the best. I have been a member for about a year and a half, and it never ceases to amaze me all the new things I've learned - and I've been owned by sheepies since 1979!!

I've made lots of new friends - some online, some in person. I feel very comfortable here, so my life is pretty much an open book. Not all forums can claim that their members feel comfortable enough to open themselves up like that, but I think a lot of members here do. We grow to know each other's thoughts, feelings, family members, family problems, etc. And we're always here to support each other through no matter what happens.

Yes, this happens more with the people who post the most, but that does not mean that anyone else is not a part of oes.org. As many people have already said, just because a fairly regular poster stops posting for awhile, that doesn't mean they're totally forgotten. Often I think - I wonder what happened to so-and-so - but life intervenes. Doesn't mean I don't care about that poster, just means that other stuff happens. We basically are, after all, on an internet forum. We are not blood related, or next door neighbors. For the most part, most of us are casual acquaintences, at best. And that's okay.

I too have posted things that haven't gotten much of a response - I think we all have. But then I think - I don't read every post either. I look at the topic and decide if I have an interest in it. Or if there's a topic that I've read and it keeps getting responses, I still may not continue reading it. And oftentimes, there is new info in them that has nothing to do with the original post (like this!), and I miss them because I think it still has to do with the first post. My loss too, but this may make the original poster feel that I don't care. Not my intention.

As I said, this is just all my own opinion. My intention has never been to hurt anyone and if I have, I apologize.

This thread has become a little bit like a road side accident to me.....I keep telling myself I am not going to look because, what purpose would be served but then I just can't seem to look away

But one thing that has struck me is that there have really only been two negative comments made, one by an annonymous guest and the other by a member who by their own admission does not post often.

I've taken this thread a bit too personally since I've been attacked both publically and privately (in the food for thought section and PM's from the above referenced poster) but one thing I have learned from the pages of response is that we really do have a pretty great group of people here :lol:

who truly do care for and about one another. No, we aren't in one another's pocket constantly checking up on each other but if any member needs or asks for support or help there are lots of people there to give it.

I was told by one of the above posters in a PM that I am negative, cold hearted, uncaring and don't treat people fairly and that there are several people who echo those feelings. If that is true then I owe you a huge apology and I hope those people will PM me so that I can do so!!!

The purpose of a forum is to engage in colligial debate, in a respectful manner and if I have ever offended anyone I do apologize. I apologize for the offense, not for the difference of opinion :lol:

But I do hope that person would PM me so that we could resolve the problem and not let it fester!!

And, if you'd like to vote me off the island, just let me know :pupeyes:

Ginny, you're welcome on my island any time.

larkles wrote:

That's a great attitude! Perception is reality. I completely agree with your feelings on this community.

I don't know why, but I really like this thread...I keep coming to check what else has been written...it's like in high school when there's a fight and someone yells out FIGHT and everyone comes running for the entertainment. I hope that wasn't insensitive of me to say, just what I was thinking...

barney1 wrote:

Yeah, like you're the only one doing that? :twisted:

It's like a car accident-- it's morbid but you can't look away.

Mop lover wrote:

Just a little alternate view -

I'm not as old on here as most people,

Who you callin old??????????? :lol:

hee hee, I was going to say something about that too!

You guys are so funny :kiss:

I think people that are posting just want to let eveybody know where they stand, JMO. I think it's interesting, I don't know how long i've been a member, but to me this is like the first big family fight

Ya scream and yell till ya feel like they get where you are coming from then move on, in a way it's sorta healthy to clear the air. :wink:

Shannon

srw808 wrote:

I don't know how long i've been a member

That info is posted right underneath your avatar

Tasker's Mom wrote:

And, if you'd like to vote me off the island, just let me know :pupeyes:

Hey Ginny, we'll form an alliance and pick who should be voted off :evil:

Well leave it to me to miss the obvious :lol:

Shannon

bestdogsx4 wrote:

Hey Ginny, we'll form an alliance and pick who should be voted off :evil:

I have a feeling we'd have no trouble coming to an agreement.

you mean me

No, I meant Darcy, of course. :twisted:

I have an immunity idol ===> :cow:

Ron wrote:

I have an immunity idol ===> :cow:

LMAO- and that's saying something cause I have a large A

Quote:

I was told by one of the above posters in a PM that I am negative, cold hearted, uncaring and don't treat people fairly and that there are several people who echo those feelings. If that is true then I owe you a huge apology and I hope those people will PM me so that I can do so!!!

Ginny I have never found you to be cold or uncaring, you tell it like it is. What is so wrong about that. My attitude on that is "If you don't want to know, DON"T ASK". I LOVE your attitude.

ButtersStotch wrote:

No, I meant Darcy, of course. :twisted:

but funny

Ron, is the immunity idol hidden or is there going to be a competition for it????????????? (do we have to eat ickey things to win

Tasker's Mom wrote:

Ron, is the immunity idol hidden or is there going to be a competition for it????????????? (do we have to eat ickey things to win

It's not up for grabs, I have it.

Ron that's not fair!!!!

But, I don't want to get voted off the island!!!! :banana:

Does he work instead???

Ron ,are you forming alliances???????????

Tasker's Mom wrote:

8) Ron ,are you forming alliances???????????

Ditto

Willowsprite wrote:

Tasker's Mom wrote:

8) Ron ,are you forming alliances???????????

Ditto

Hmmmm

Ron wrote:

Willowsprite wrote:

Tasker's Mom wrote:

8) Ron ,are you forming alliances???????????

Ditto

Hmmmm

OOoh I like that one!

ButtersStotch wrote:

No, I meant Darcy, of course. :twisted:

Hey hey HEY! No one's voting Darcy off the island! We have our own alliance out here in the West!

I'm looking at this thread because I'm home on a Friday night. I already had my hot date with Duds to the Vet (bordetella and bi-annual fecal) and the Pet Store for dog food.

I wanted to say that I think it's kinda funny. :cheer:

Reminds me of Festivus where they have the "Airing of Grieveances". I think it's always a good idea for everyone to put their cards on the table once in awhile, for better or for worse. It gives everyone a sense of where we're at, I suppose. It happened to me recently at work, not my choice, but it has relieved some tension and bad feelings in my work envrionment.

So dirty laundry, bras, and designer knock-offs all seem to be real popular conversations around here...

~Katie.

Just so you don't wear dirty designer knock off bra's :rimshot:

(trying to keep it clean)

kweenkmatt wrote:

Reminds me of Festivus where they have the "Airing of Grieveances".

LOL!!

Group Hug !!

I admire and adore everyone. :wink:

I only been a member for a little while and I definately TALK too much :lol:

but I personally think each and everyone has been great,as a group everyone could not of been more welcoming and helpful.

When having problems with Kelsey as a group with differing advice and suggestions the support there was fantstic & helped me enormously.

I wish I knew about this forum early last year when loosing one of my girls as I really could of done with knowing this forum was here for help, advice and the wonderful support you all offer.

Thankyou everyone it is a great board and living WAY DOWN the bottom of the world to everyone else I really enjoy the forum, hearing about all the fur kids, getting to know other people from around the world and everything else :wink:

Love you all

Hey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why am I always the first one kicked off the island....no fair.....it feels just like grade school gym class :cry:

Tasker's Mom wrote:

Just so you don't wear dirty designer knock off bra's :rimshot:

Is that like the kind you get at Kmart that are similar to the fancy brand ones?

kweenkmatt wrote:

Reminds me of Festivus where they have the "Airing of Grieveances".

ROFLOL! Katie that's great! Festivus will catch on some day, I know it will!

Festivus for the rest of us! :-)

Tasker's Mom wrote:

Mop lover wrote:

Just a little alternate view -

I'm not as old on here as most people,

Who you callin old??????????? :lol:

Old as in how long I've been a member - not age!!!

Although I think at (dare I say) 23 maybe you have a point . . . :twisted:

Here is my two cents on this, though it may be worth less than that.
I am older than most of you - I may have graduated from college before many of you were born. I post on several boards, so I'm not a n00b to how boards work.

There have been times that I have been surprised by some of the postings. I try to remember that I don't have a long history here, though I did lurk for a bit before joining. I often start typing something, decide it doesn't come across the way I wanted it to, and delete it. And so I try to remember that as I read - assume the best, imagine a different tone of voice or just reread the post. Some of y'all actually know each other, so that can also change the way you talk to each other, as it does in real life.

I do recommend that you go back and read this thread from the beginning, trying to be neutral as you do it. I am rather saddened by it.

Even though I come from a medical background and have raised OES for thirty years, I know that I don't know everything. I have learned a few things here, which is why I am here.

OK. My turn.

I also belong to many boards and forums, and communicate for hours a day in my work carreer, both verbally and written....in a very serious and professional manner. That's my job.

Tanyathenurse has made some points that have not been addressed. The one that sticks out to me is when she mentioned that not everyone has a thick skin, and if you don't then it is almost as if you are made to feel that don't belong here. Then I got a PM with this exact same suggestion. I was extremely confused, as I had been feeling very vulnerable and this was the icing on the cake.

I don't have the time or the desire to read all the posts, much less respond to them all, so I miss lots...I tend to gravitate towards the ones that I think I can bring some suggestions or value, or start posts where I hope that people may learn something new, or take a few minutes to enjoy a nice moment in time.

I am a bit more serious than many folks on this board, and so also may take things seriously, when perhaps I shouldn't. But as already mentioned, "Perception is reality" and I cannot help how I feel. I may not respond to some posts, but will always respond to a PM.

I actually both admire and envy those of you who have such a great knack at pointing harmless fun at fellow posters and the friendly teasing that goes on amougst you. Almost like watching a fun game from the sidelines, but not having enough skill to join in.

So I am crawling back under my rock, and will pop out now and again where and when I feel it is safe to do so.

Mom of 3 wrote:

I do recommend that you go back and read this thread from the beginning, trying to be neutral as you do it. I am rather saddened by it.

Hmmmmm, your comment made me go back a re-read the postings, for about the 10th time and I guess I just don't get it. I see alot of people supporting one another and affirming each other. Nothing sad in that. I am not a "youngster" and again I assert it isn't an issue of being thin or thick skinned, the purpose of a forum is to respectfully discuss issues, there would be no point in having forums if everyone were of like mind.

I find it very interesting to hear differing views and opinions and to learn the way that other people handle different situations. I will admit I have not read every post on the board but I have never seen a post where someone was made to feel they did not belong here. I have seen posts that disagreed, strongly but I have not seen a poster made to feel they did not belong here. Well, I take that back there have occassionally been a "guest" poster who was obviously posting to stir the pot with a controversial post that was not received very nicely. But I believe when you have something to say you should have enough conviction to attach your identity to it.

So all in all, I find this entire thread quite encouraging and not sad at all. Keep up the good work gang!!! I am very sorry that there are some unhappy people out there but there will always be unhappy people, no matter what you do.

Nicole,

I highly value your posts and your advice! I don't agree with everything you say, but I'm ALL EARS when you say anything.

I know that people jumped all over you when you took a poke at Cesar Millan, and that was kind of unfortunate. In retrospect, I should have jumped in and toned things down a bit there! Sorry.

You may be completely right about Cesar; I have no clue. The problem is he's a good looking celebrity, and taking a poke at him is gonna cause a lot of people to poke back in his defense. I don't think that anyone has any less respect for YOU afterwards (I don't) they just erally didn't agree with you about Cesar.

Maybe when he's really old and ugly people will agree with you more.

Thanks for all you offer to our community.

What the bleep is Festivus?

It's from Seinfeld. George's Dad created a holiday called Festivus.

Here is what wilkapedia says on the subject:
Festivus is a nondenominational holiday featured in "The Strike" episode of Seinfeld, a popular American television sitcom of the 1990s. The holiday was a plot device in the episode, which first aired on December 18, 1997. Many people, influenced or inspired by Seinfeld, now celebrate the holiday, in varying degrees of seriousness. Some do it religiously, others do it in good tidings in their respect to Seinfeld.

According to Seinfeld, Festivus is celebrated each year on December 23, but many people celebrate it other times, often in early December. Its slogan is "A Festivus for the rest of us!" An aluminum pole is generally used in lieu of a Christmas tree or other holiday decoration, shedding holiday materialism. Those attending participate in the "Airing of Grievances" which is an opportunity for all to vent their hostilities toward each other, and after a Festivus dinner, The Feats of Strength are performed. Traditionally, Festivus is not over until the head of the household is wrestled to the floor and "pinned."

The character Frank Costanza (played by Jerry Stiller) created Festivus as an alternative holiday in response to the commercialization of Christmas. Frank Costanza explained its origins during the episode to the character Cosmo Kramer (played by Michael Richards), as related in the following dialogue:

Frank Costanza: Many Christmases ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had, but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way.
Cosmo Kramer: What happened to the doll?
Frank Costanza: It was destroyed. But out of that a new holiday was born … a Festivus for the rest of us!
Cosmo Kramer: That must've been some kind of doll.
Frank Costanza: She was.
In the episode, Kramer became interested in resurrecting the holiday after hearing the plight of his friend—Frank Costanza's son—George (played by Jason Alexander), who used the holiday celebration he hated in his youth as a defensive excuse to his employer, Kruger (played by Daniel von Bargen). George had been confronted by Kruger after handing out cards for Christmas to his fellow employees stating a donation had been made to a fake charity (invented by George) called The Human Fund (with the slogan "Money For People") in lieu of exchanging Christmas presents. George defended himself saying that he feared persecution for his beliefs, for not celebrating Christmas. Attempting to call his bluff, Kruger came home with George to see Festivus in action.

Main elements of Festivus

The Airing of GrievancesThe Festivus celebration as described on Seinfeld includes four major components:

The Festivus Pole: The Costanzas' tradition begins with an aluminum pole, which Frank praises for its "very high strength-to-weight ratio." During Festivus, the unadorned pole is displayed. The pole was chosen apparently in opposition to the commercialization of highly decorated Christmas trees, because it is "very low-maintenance," and also because the holiday's patron, Frank Costanza, "find[s] tinsel distracting."
Festivus Dinner: Since the root word of "Festivus" is "feast," no celebration would be complete without a hearty meal to fortify celebrants with a "feast of strength" for the "feats of strength." The Festivus dinner menu is flexible, but it should consist of filling, non-holiday comfort food (no turkey, duck, goose, or ham). The televised dinner featured what may have been meatloaf or spaghetti in a red sauce. Kruger took a flask out from his jacket and took a swig; so one might interpret that drinking is optional. In Festivus: The Holiday for the Rest of Us by Allen Salkin, drinking is encouraged with hearty beer, rum, bourbon, or wine.
The Airing of Grievances: At the Festivus dinner, each participant tells friends and family of all the instances where they disappointed him or her that year. As quoted from Frank Costanza: "I've got a lot of problems with you people, and now you're going to hear about them!"
The Feats of Strength: After the dinner, or "feast of strength" if you will, the head of the family tests his or her strength against one participant of the head's choosing. Festivus is not considered over until the head of the family has been pinned to the ground. A participant is allowed to decline to attempt to pin the head of the family only if they have something better to do instead.

The Festivus Miracle
Although it is not an official element of the holiday or its celebration, the phenomenon of the Festivus Miracle should not be overlooked. When, at one point in the episode, two sleazy betting-window guys from the off-track betting parlor call H&H Bagels (Elaine's fake phone number) for Elaine Benes, Kramer (who was on strike against H&H, but went inside the store because he had to use the bathroom) answers the phone and explains that he is about to see Elaine and invites the bookies to join him for Festivus. Kramer enthusiastically declares "It's a Festivus miracle!"

Kramer reports another Festivus Miracle when Gwen finds Jerry at the Costanza home, despite Kramer's previous directions to Gwen. At best, a "Festivus miracle" is a coincidence rather than a genuine miracle.

Etymology and origin
The English word festivity derives from Latin term festivus meaning "festive or merry," which in turn derives from the Latin terms festum meaning "festival or holiday," and festus meaning "feast."

The Festivus idea came to the show through writer Dan O'Keefe. His father, Daniel O'Keefe, had discovered the Festivus holiday in a book that outlined obscure (mostly European) holidays published in 1966; the book described many of the features later included in the Seinfeld episode. The father was inspired in part by the Samuel Beckett play Krapp's Last Tape, whose protagonist tapes himself speaking at different times in his life. The original Airing of Grievances was spoken into a tape recorder, and the O'Keefe family retains some of the tapes. (The father's career as a Reader's Digest editor meant internal politics of that organization are prominently featured; external grievances were permitted.) The O'Keefe tradition did not have a set date (the original holiday took place in the "Past" day before the presentation of presents which fostered altruism in the community when supplies were diminished, and the "Future" which represented the hope of the coming year - the original date was usually on December 23), but would take place in response to family tension, "any time from December to May" (Salkin). The phrase "a Festivus for the rest of us" also derived from an O'Keefe family event, the death of the elder O'Keefe's mother. This is not dissimilar from an Irish wake. The holiday made it onto Seinfeld after the writing team was amused by O'Keefe's retelling.

The elder O'Keefe wrote the 1982 book Stolen Lightning: A Social Theory of Magic (ISBN 0826400590); the work deals with idiosyncratic ritual and its social significance, a theme with obvious relevance to Festivus tradition.

Nicole, don't crawl under your rock!!! Stay here, it's safe, REALLY!!!!

I think it all goes to perception, which someone else mentioned. After Ron referenced the Cesear thread I went back to it because I didn't remember it as being paticularly 'heated". I realized that because my feelings on the subject were ambivalent I did not read anything into any of the posts and didn't "see" anything threatening in it.

If we always assume good intent feelings won't be hurt. Just because my opinion differs from another person doesn't mean I am out to insult the other person by expressing them.

Ginny you are great. You new I had not come on , thanks for careing

Ron wrote:

Nicole,

I highly value your posts and your advice! I don't agree with everything you say, but I'm ALL EARS when you say anything.

i second this! although i dont reply often i do read most of the threads on the board and think everyone has something to offer! i suppose i should speak up more because there are a few members whos posts i appreciate very much!

Pepsi's Mommy wrote:

The Feats of Strength: After the dinner, or "feast of strength" if you will, the head of the family tests his or her strength against one participant of the head's choosing. Festivus is not considered over until the head of the family has been pinned to the ground. A participant is allowed to decline to attempt to pin the head of the family only if they have something better to do instead.

So Ron, as head of our virtual family - who are you going to wrestle? :lol:

LMAO

Haha! Now may not be a good time to ask me that question, but rest assured it won't be SheepdogMarine or Mr. Joah.*

Is there a dog with submissive peeing problems available?

*Yes, Yes, I know SheepdogMarine's username relates to boats and not necessarily a branch of the armed forces, and technically Mr. J. isn't a member, but they went really well with my answer.

Thanks for asking about Festivus. I was wondering if I was the only one not getting it. Seeing as I have never watched Seinfeld, I see why I was in the dark!

Lol. I totally missed the Festivus reference. We actually had an aluminum Festivus pole last year. I found it behind a Taget and brought it home. A good friend of mine and I are huge Seinfeld freaks and can pretty much quote the episodes verbatim. He walked in the house looked at it and said, without missing a beat, "It is now time for the feats of strength." I also handed out Festivus cards to my officemates.

Hi,

Sheesh where do I begin....to tell the story of how great a love can be..a simple story...oh wait ..that's the words to Love Story.

I missed you guys!! Yes, I had pneumonia a while ago and numerous trips to the doctors and various medicines didn't do the trick. I had missed so much work, after being told I wasn't contagious I returned to work (only cause I had to - not because I felt ready.)

My son also had bouts of sinitus and he too couldn't shake it, and eventually quit his part time job as he was constantly going to the clinic too. Doctors didn't quite figure out why we kept getting reoccurring illness after all the medicine was taken. Which meant another 10 days of stronger meds. $$$$ Ca- ching! $$ Ca ching!

I think I spent several hundred on stuff just for us and will be thankful when my insurance company sends a reinbursement check.

I really love all my furballs but taking them out for a walk in the evenings and making sure everyone got fed was about all I could do. I love living alone but that part of it really suxs as they all depend on me. I just couldn't shake the fatique. Everyday I would think..tomorrow will be better, only to repeat the same thing.

Ah well can't complain however as I feel very lucky in life regarding all I have. The delinquint house taxes were paid, the mounting bills and the cupboards were filled ..so yup no complaints. Seems after two months or so..(can't remember how long it's been) I am finally starting to feel better regarding energy. Good thing too, as I've been booked for a 5 hr event coming next week. Those just about kill me but pays enough to cover my morgage for two weeks so I'll finally catch up! LOL it's tough sometimes being Jill of all Trades! ha ha. I'm back at teaching, doing magic shows and still petsitting, dog behavioral consulting, but no more furniture delivery for me! I really do try to take it easy once in a while and have cut back on some things and am looking forward to a quieter summer. School is out in 3 more weeks!

I've often told people online that every post is important, as is the person. I think perhaps my lack of post were noticed as I've been a member here for about 3 years. In those 3 years I posted frequently and in a majority of the forums so it made sense my absence was missed, as would everyone with that posting frequency. Thank you for your concern to everyone that noticed. You guys are the best!! I really don't know what else to say but that I really missed being here.

Marianne and the boys

Welcome back and glad you're feeling better. Hope thing calm down a bit for you.

Marianne! Glad to see you back

Good to hear from you, Marianne!

Welcome back! Hope you are feeling better!

Glad your back Marriane!!

Im really glad to see some of the other members voiceing how they feel,its good too see that.

When i posted some of my threads here I had no clue it was going too continue for so long.I was asked too go private w/ a memeber,so that this issue can be dropped,the request is in Food for thought.Altho i had typed I was going too take it private she had requested at the same time.

Like many ppl have said if you dont want too know dont ask.I was asked why am I "picking" on her,I said I dont feel I was picking I was standing up for some of the quite members,I wont go in detail due too this whole subject really has been played out way too far,but once I told her then she didnt want too hear my reason.So I in NO way was harrassing her,she asked and I told her.

I hope this thread will die down at some point,I think everyone has posted their "opinions",and now its time too drop it,I do know some ppl will beat a horse until its dead,but this is really silly too continue this.

Really glad your ok Marrianne

Tanyathe nurse

Tanyathenurse wrote:

.......When I started not too post as often no one EVER asked is Tanya ok? I wonder if shes ok. Also I have seen TONS of other old regulars who just get overlooked,and finally said too the heck w/ this BS. So YES it happens here ALOT,and Im glad someone finally brought it out.

You know one thing I'm curious about, is if you felt so strongly about this "WHY" didn't you speak up about it sooner??? Especially, if you are speaking up for so many others that feel the same way.

It sucks being on the bottom of the popularity list, but we're all on the bottom of someone's list. (Except me, of course) :wink:

I'd be happy if they'd just write my name on the paper. :lol:

Clicks: Now there's one for the "popular". One for the "nobody cares about us". And, "those caught in the middle that aren't in either click".

To the guest writer:
There were many times I was about to ask if anyone knew if you were ok. But, just as I got ready to ask about you, I'd see another post written by "guest", so I knew you were fine.

mouthypf wrote:

[To the guest writer:
There were many times I was about to ask if anyone knew if you were ok. But, just as I got ready to ask about you, I'd see another post written by "guest", so I knew you were fine.

I like you, Pam. :twisted:

I love this board!!!!!!

Glad you're feeling better marianne

TDennis...your avatar is hilarious...cute rooster doo

Its my Husbands sence of humour

ButtersStotch wrote:

mouthypf wrote:

I like you, Pam. :twisted:

ROTFLMAO

ButtersStotch wrote:

mouthypf wrote:

I like you, Pam. :twisted:

Well, I like you guys too. That's why I'm still here sheepieless.

Hi Marianne!!!

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