You can't please all of the people all of the time.
I was bothered when, in another thread, a guest posted Quote: Its sad that all of you dont have concerns for ALL the members who have been here awhile,and all of sudden they dont come around This post bothered me. Was this someone who felt badly that we didn't ask about him or her? Was this someone who knows someone about whom we haven't asked?
 I have found one of the hardest parts about running a board like this, and ABSOLUTELY the most unexpected part, is dealing with personal issues with our members. When something I do offends someone, when someone doesn't like something about the community, when things go wrong technically, I take it personally. Not that I'm offended, but that I feel very badly when this happens. Even though I've realized a long time ago that "You can't please all of the people all of the time", I still try. We have more than 150 members who have more than 50 posts; 125 with more than 100. Some post in spurts. Others disappear for a while then return on a regular basis. Some have chosen to leave "permanently" due to personal reasons; Some have lost their dogs, others didn't like the way I've handled things. Perhaps some of the new categories of discussion have chased some people away. Not that I've noticed a lot of people disappearing... have they? If I assume that at some point many people won't post for a period of time, then I really have to wait before worrying about their absence, and then, truthfully, they're not at the front of my consciousness. I just don't realize when people are missing. Here's an example; I was thinking about missing dogs, and for some reason Integra Hellsing's Momo's escape and her physical condition with all of the insect bites came to mind. That made me think about Momo's condition and Integra, and I wondered when the last time she posted, so I looked up her profile and found it had been a long time, so I dropped her a PM and asked. She then came on and gave us a nice update about what is going on in her life. PLEASE, if there's someone you're missing, PLEASE drop them a PM! If you want to, drop ME a PM and I'll contact them. Here's what bothers me the most: MOST people, when they leave don't tell us why. The don't post publicly that they are leaving, and they don't drop me a line to let me know. They just stop coming, or at least stop posting. I have no idea why. I can't make things better if I don't know what's wrong, and I am just another person sitting behind a screen, just like all of you! I don't have a magic grapevine that tells me when someone is unhappy or hurt. So, if you're not happy about something, if you want something changed, If you're ticked off at me, please post it here or send me a private message. You can post here anonymously, that's why this post is in this section and not the "Members Only" section. If you have an issue with another member, please either discuss it with that member privately, or drop me a line privately. Please don't make any complimentary posts here, they'll be edited or deleted. Just tell me what is wrong. |
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| One problem with with forums Ron is that you are dealing with PEOPLE and people have needs!!!! In all seriousness it is unrealistic for anyone to join a forum and expect their needs to be anticipated and somehow magically met by other members of the forum. I agree with someone else who said, you get out of a forum what you put into it.
The internet is an impersonal world and it's pretty hard to turn it into a warm and fuzzy place. I think as a whole we all do a pretty good job of it here. You can't be thin skinned and survive on a forum. I don't believe anyone here ever sets out to hurt another person and I can't think of a single memeber that I wouldn't be concerned about if I heard they were in trouble or had a problem. Does that mean that we all should carry the burden, or that you should carry the burden of checking to make sure that each person has been heard from in an alotted amount of time. I DON'T THINK SO!!! Some posters LIKE the freedom to come and go and would consider it an intrusion of their privacy to be hounded if another person decided that they had not posted in what they considered a resonable time. The beauty of the forum is the ability to share what each person WANTS to without pressure or obligation. You will never make everyone happy so don't even try. In doing so you will make no one happy and most likely drive yourself to distraction. |
Well said, Ginny!  |
| I totally agree with Ginny- No one can really be expected to "keep tabs" on all the members. I mean, with over 1500 members, you can't expect to please everyone, or be able to remember when any is gone, missing, sick, feeling funky etc. It's easier when we KNOW someone has a serious health issue and is suddenly gone for an extended period of time, such as the situation which prompted that particular comment. But many people don't tell us their issues, and if they don't choose to share, it isn't any of our business to pry into their lives. Sure I miss talking to a lot of the members that don't come around much, or at all anymore, but that is their choice, I'm not gonna hound them about it.
I love that we have the sort of atmosphere that I feel like many of the members are close friends of mine, that I can come to no matter what the situation is- from puppy to personal problems, I think that is an INCREDIBLY rare and precious thing that has been fostered in this community. Especially since I've never met any of these people in person! So of course you feel bad when one of the members feels like they've been overlooked somehow, but man, if you're not willing to share with us, then how can you expect us to offer you the friendship and compassion you are looking for? My catch phrase has become "we're here for you" and boy, that really is the truth here, and Ron, that is truly, truly something to be proud of! |
| Ron,yes you can NOT please everyone true,HOWEVER you also cant kiss some peoples bums just too make them feel important. As usual my words went right over Ginny's head,and other members for that matter.All I was saying is that it would be nice if people on here would take notice to other people who come and go.Not everyone,but how about the people who have been here for yrs,and all of sudden stop posting you cant tell me you dont notice that person not around any more? Its sad that theres a handful of people on here who think they know all and have ALL the answers,yes i said it have AlL the answers.When the truth is they might know alot about OES BUT do they know how too be kind too people?Do they know how too make someone else feel apart of this group?From where im siting the answer is NO they dont,and they dont have any desire too do so.Is it your place too make others feel welcomed and apart of this board?Not nessecarily,BUT being Ginny is the one of the loudest people on here,I feel she does has a small part of making people feel welcomed,shes right there too point out others errors either w/ posting OR raiseing an OES so why not flip that coin and make the ones who dont know as much about OES feel welcomed?Why is it you and others on here are very quick too point the finger BUT when it comes to asking you to also show kindness too your fellow posters you become all defensive and say if your thin skinned basically you dont belong here.Well I think people who are senistive,and "thin skinned" belong here more than someone who isnt.Id much rather trade ideas w/ someone I canfreely talk too rather someone I KNOW who is going too judge me on how I raise my furbabies. Isnt his a "group" and not a one person show?So what theres people w/ ill feelings due too a handful of people running he show,and being totally disrespectful w/ putting down those of us who are saying it bothers us our post dont get responded too,it bothers us that some of the members are KNOW all and think "thin skinned" people dot belong here.Obviously since the attitude Im getting is well if you cant handle it you dont belong on a web board,my responce to that is if you cant be understanding and listen too others feelings then you dont belong in a "group" setting.A group is about ALL of us not just 1person. So Ron do I have any advice as too what you should you do?No I dont,because you cant control people first of all,and when you have caring people mixed w/ people who have the attitude of Oh well thats life move on if you cant cope usually the people who are caring do move on due too not wanting too continue problems.Your a great person Ron and I feel for you deeply.I know your aware of many people who ahve just stopped coming here,and this issue is why.All it would have taken was for the loud people here too "act concern" for the guest poster,and it would have died out Im sure,BUT due too the cold hearted attitude I felt the poster got I wanted too validate his/her feelings,and it all just went on from there.As I said before ron if youd like me too forwards the Pm's I will because this isnt just 1persons issue. I feel sorry for the ones here who cant show a little kindness too someone who felt left out,but thats way it goes w/ some people the whole it isnt my problem attitude is SOOOO played out. |
| Tanya,
Sounds like I have offended you in some way and we should discuss this privately. |
| Ive decided too take this into Pm's,all im going too say is that not just Ginny,but other members have been not so kind too many members who are sensitive.Of course someone who is sensitive usually wont speak up due too not wanting to cause an issue,so as for Ginny I PM'ed you,and I hope this will die down soon. |
| I understand what is being said.
I think in this type of forum and heck, just about every avenue of life, you have to be able to "vocalize" and stick up for what you believe in. You have to be able to express your point of view, be willing to try to express it in 22 differrent ways, and be willing in the end to agree to disagree about things. And YES, you WILL have to be thicker skinned, Tanya. It's just the way it is in the format. What does "Thicker Skinned" mean??? Remember part of our mantra? It means you MUST ASSUME THE POSTER MEANT NO INSULT. Now, what does THAT mean? That doesn't mean that you just give the benefit of the doubt when you are offended by a post, but that you actually actively decide that the insult you just read was not meant that way. If someone wrote "You stink and your mother dresses you funny" you actively think, "No, that's not what she meant, she probably meant that she likes my perfume and thinks my mom has a great sense of humor". Maybe not to that extreme, but you get the point. I hope. That's part of having a thick skin, that's one of the ways that the insults don't get through; regardless of whether they're real or not. If a person posts their opinion and someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they need to be disagreeable, and I think that most people (in life and on here) try to be that way. One of our biggest and most popular posters left because I repeatedly asked that person to tone down their responses to people, and be a little more gentle. They preferred to leave than to be "nicer." That poster's opinions and advice were spot on, were in a different area of expertise than most of the other posters around here, and I'd have loved to see more of them, but not at the expense of our community. People have hurled some really big shots my way over the years here, and most of them don't penetrate, but some still do... I usually write a letter about it then tuck it away somewhere. Once I didn't and I sent it and it felt really good, and it was all true, and witty, and pithy and the next day I wished I hadn't. |
| Wow, this is becoming WAY too personal! Tanya, I certainly have nothing against you but all Ginny did was state her opinion. Ginny is one of the sweetest people here and I for one love her replies!! |
| I also quit posting a long time ago. The Administrators know why. I was a moderator for awhile here, I don't think too many people knew. I had ideas that would be completely ignored or shot down. I am sure my post about a children advice section is still on here somewhere, a lot of you showed interested in it at the time. I was told that this was a "sheepdog" forum, and putting other topics, could and would give posters more things to argue about. Ron wanted to keep this forum peaceful and friendly to everyone's feelings.
I understood this point, but then just a few months later is when he began commercializing the forum with the amazon threads to help maintain web costs, instead of asking a few of the long time members to donate money to keep the forum up and free of outside ads. Not long after became the "help w/smoking forum section", which was turned into healthy lifestyles, "cooking", and my all time personal favorite (sarcasm) Food For Thought. When my daughter began to read at 4-5, she would read some of the posts with me, but after the forum changed we blocked it from her computer, as some of the topics were not child friendly. The Food for Thought section brought a lot of controversy. A forum that was brought together by the love of sheepdogs was beginning to argue or have strong opinions on subjects that are very important, but IMO not appropriate for a family friendly site. Ron stopped talking to me and has had my email blocked since a situation arose when a member of the forum was called out because of the possible unwise decisions in feeding her sheepdog, and one moderator took it too far, and we were both taken off a moderator status for a short time. I spoke up to Ron, that all of my posts were respectful and punishing me for another's remarks was uncalled for. We ended up both getting moderator status back, but the friendship with Ron was never there again. I had tried numerous times to contact Ron via email, which has came back blocked everytime. I had limited moderating status and was trying to help out more by getting the okay to upload pictures. I was turned down in my offer. It wasn't but a few months later, when a new moderator was added, and given more tasks. I was told by a second party, that because of my lack of moderating, a second person was needed. Then shortly after that my moderation status was removed, even though I was still doing the tasks that was shown to me, such as edit, remove, and move posts. The forum has changed since a year ago, there are many people that have left the forum that I know of. I also know of posts made in the past on people asking about that member, but Ron removing the post, an example is Josh asking about Kristen (post removed). A past wonderful asset to the forum, who would give help to anyone. There are others out there as well. I figure in a short time my post will be moved or deleted, however, if anyone would like to email me about our family (that includes Jack and Annabelle) can do so at nell@okstate.edu |
| Ron,
I love this forum, I love the people on the forum. Everyone is an individual and has their own opinions on subjects. When advice is given here that is all it, it's advice. Nothing is ever set in stone and everyone is entitled to have their own opinions. I am always happy to offer advice if I have some, or to sympathize if I don't. I obviously don't know everything there is to know. What we are offering is advice...and stuff that has worked for us. That doesn't mean it's the only way to do things Also there is a lot of teasing on this board between friends. Nothing is ever meant in a harmful way towards anyone else...that is until this last two posts. I am always happy to be teased and to tease, that is what really made me part of the forum. I feel like I am part of something when people kid around with me. I have made lots of friends on here and have gotten to meet quite a few people. They all seem to be the same in person as they are on here. A really wonderful bunch of people, not like the people you meet in regular chat room...that's why I stay away from them. I feel like this place is my family and I really appreciate that. This is the first place I will go for advice of any kind. I, for one have really enjoyed the changes in the forum over the past year. I even got another OES thanks to the forum. The new sections of the forum are a wonderful addition. Especially the chat (every though I don't get there too often) and the cooking section has given me great ideas. Keep up the good work Ron!! |
| I love the changes!
Also, I think that I am one of the most teased...BUT, I bring a lot of it on myself....and to say the least, I feel loved and included....kinda like a big family....there will be some disagreements just like any close knit group, but that doesnt change the fact, that we are all here because we want to be. And because (me for example) I love the teasing... except maybe the toilet picture  ...but then again, I am imortalized ..... you feel that you can tease others..I dont think anyone, to my knowledge has ever said anything to purposely slight or hurt another...everything is meant in good fun and if someone has an issue with whats being said, that person should pm the other directly.
This place has lead me to understand a lot about my precious dog and more importantly to meet people who have similar likes...Im sure I dont know the whole relm of the story, but come on people, if youre mad at someone, dont hold a grudge, speak out (personally to the person), work it out and move on.... |
| I joined this forum out of a love for sheepies and due to my location - well there just isn't a lot of other sheepie parents in Louisiana that I can talk to about them. I have gotten a lot of advice with issues we have had with our dogs - some I try, some I ignore.
I would say I post in spurts. I do it when I can. Because of medical issues with my husband, dealing with my youngest son's autism, work, and 2 rescued sheepies sometimes there isn't time to do so. But when I do have time I find the other members to be warm, and helpful. I think you do a great job Ron. 1500 members is a lot of people and you will never be able to please them all, but I would like to say - Thanks for all the work that you do. And to all the other members, if I have offended you in any way - it was not intentional, nor was it meant to be harmful. |
| Whomever made the original post needs to get over it.
Yes we are like a family here but do you talk to everyone of your family members everyday? Who has time for that? I know for myself I have girl firends that I don't hear from for weeks and we manage to pick up right where we left off. Noone has hurt feelings. Life is busy for all of us some of us just make more time, so of us don't. |
| I have to say that I really am not big fan of the "Food for Thought" category. My actual reasoning is that I think the religion & politics should NOT be on this board.
I guess I could choose not to come to this section of the forum, which is probably what I should do. I think these particular "hot" topics have done a lot to stur up extra emotions unecessarily. I just hate it when things have this type of overtone, because obviously not all the people on the forum share the same beliefs. Stormi, it's great to see you, and I hope that you will reconsider joining the discussions here. You were a great contributor to the forum. |
Quote: .......I think the religion & politics should NOT be on this board. ....I think these particular "hot" topics have done a lot to stur up extra emotions unecessarily....
I think just the opposite. These subjects are a fact of life. If we choose to go to forums where "only" people of like mind are discussing a topic, what good comes of it? I know this is an OES forum, but people with many beliefs own OES. When I voice my opinion of something, I don't expect anyone to change theirs. But, when I listen to theirs, it sometimes gives me more to think about. To stir up people's emotions can be a good thing. When we sit on the sidelines saying nothing, things happen that we may have prevented "if" only we'd gotten stirred up enough to do something - before it was too late. Like border control. Speak up America, if we don't get stirred up enough to discuss and act upon things, whose going to take control of the situations we find ourselves in??? |
mouthypf wrote: Quote: .......I think the religion & politics should NOT be on this board. ....I think these particular "hot" topics have done a lot to stur up extra emotions unecessarily.... I think just the opposite. These subjects are a fact of life. If we choose to go to forums where "only" people of like mind are discussing a topic, what good comes of it? I know this is an OES forum, but people with many beliefs own OES. When I voice my opinion of something, I don't expect anyone to change theirs. But, when I listen to theirs, it sometimes gives me more to think about. To stir up people's emotions can be a good thing. When we sit on the sidelines saying nothing, things happen that we may have prevented "if" only we'd gotten stirred up enough to do something - before it was too late. Like border control. Speak up America, if we don't get stirred up enough to discuss and act upon things, whose going to take control of the situations we find ourselves in??? HEHHEHEHEHEHEHE, why mark this day on the calender sister!!! You and I finally agree on something 
Like Verve Up I'm not big on discussions of religion or politics and tend to steer away from them but that doesn't mean that I don't think others should have the freedom to discuss away. But, by putting these 'hot topics" off in an area by themselves we also have a choice whether to come and view them or not. I often go weeks or months without visiting the area because I'm just not in the mood for a controversial discussion. Then I'll check the topic headings and something will catch my eye. So a person can stick with mainstream "sheepiedom" or venture off into the paths less taken. As for the content of the forum not being appropriate for a 4 or 5 year old that is just begining to read................................much of the non controversial content of this forum is not appropriate for somone of this age surely there is better reading material for a newbie reader than this!!! I'd hate to think that everything I was writing was being read by someone of that age group, I think this forum is intended for adults. |
Bravo Stormi!!   As for me "getting over it" Id LOVE too get over it,but seems some ppl just cant "get over it" and let this post die out.Best thing to do is leave it alone. I havent said a word too anyone in 2days and this silly post is being dragged in the mud!!If anything I think most of you need "TO GET OVER IT!"  It is awesome too see you Stormi Please continue too post we need your wisedom,and your caring ways about you.DONT LEAVE AGAIN!PLEASE!  |
Tanyathenurse wrote: As for me "getting over it" Id LOVE too get over it,but seems some ppl just cant "get over it" and let this post die out.Best thing to do is leave it alone. I havent said a word too anyone in 2days and this silly post is being dragged in the mud!!If anything I think most of you need "TO GET OVER IT!" Tanya wasnt the point of your post too stir things up?Im wondering where all the ppl(people) who pmd you with support went?If you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.We  you Ginny!"Guest" |
Tasker's Mom wrote: mouthypf wrote: .......I think the religion & politics should NOT be on this board. ....I think these particular "hot" topics have done a lot to stur up extra emotions unecessarily.... As for the content of the forum not being appropriate for a 4 or 5 year old that is just begining to read................................much of the non controversial content of this forum is not appropriate for somone of this age surely there is better reading material for a newbie reader than this!!! I'd hate to think that everything I was writing was being read by someone of that age group, I think this forum is intended for adults. You know, Ginny, I was thinking the same thing-- simply that this really wouldn't be particularly interesting for a 4 or 5 year old. I don't regret anything that I've written but, at the same time, it was always with the understanding that we were having "adult" conversations. Tanya, if you've been reading all the posts that have evolved from the original, you'd see a lot of new thoughts are being introduced and the topic has sort of morphed more into how people feel about some of the topics discussed aside from the original post. I disagree that anyone is beating a dead horse. I don't think anyone should ever be discouraged not to share. |
Anonymous wrote: Tanyathenurse wrote: As for me "getting over it" Id LOVE too get over it,but seems some ppl just cant "get over it" and let this post die out.Best thing to do is leave it alone. I havent said a word too anyone in 2days and this silly post is being dragged in the mud!!If anything I think most of you need "TO GET OVER IT!" Tanya wasnt the point of your post too stir things up?Im wondering where all the ppl(people) who pmd you with support went?If you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.We you Ginny!"Guest" *sigh* If I start I won't stop... 
I would like to hear some of the views from the people that supported Tanya, though, even as guests if they feel like they can't use their real names. Everyone's opinion is important and I'd like to hear the different points of view. |
| I joined the forum to get information and share experiences about sheepdogs with other members. That's all I expected. In the year I've been a member here I think I can honestly say I've become friends with people from all over the world. Having the opportunity to meet several members in person, talk on the phone, meet in the chat room or e-mail and PM is wonderful. I have never belonged to a "cyber-group" that has been so caring and concerned about others.
There are topics that aren't all that interesting to me but are very important to others. I don't cook much, don't have kids (other than Maggie & Nelson) and don't particularly like to discuss politics and religion. I don't have to read what I'm not interested in. As far as a "clique" here, there are a lot of members who know each other personally and post more often than others. They do tend to have inside jokes among themselves. That's not a bad thing. I have never felt unwelcomed by anyone here, even though I don't post often. I believe you get out of it what you put into it.
Nita |
| Taskers Mom, you are correct, many post things that are not child friendly, which is why my daughter no longer reads this forum. My daughter is now 8, and when she was reading these posts, I was always with her. This forum wasn't of adult content 2-3 years ago, it was very few posts per day and mostly posters speaking of sheepdogs.
My daughter has always had a library card, and has been top award reader each year, so I don't believe that allowing her to read the past cute topics on sheepdogs was in any way harmful. Her younger brother who is almost 6, was not allowed to read this forum, and share about sheepies, (other than viewing pictures). Since it is your opinion that some of the topics discussed are of adult content, I would wonder why this site is listed as "Family Friendly". I do agree. I do believe that these controversial topics should happen, but I don't agree that it should be on a sheepdog forum. If this was of interest to the administrator, IMO, it should have been made into a separate forum, as is the Repair Forum or the the separate traveling site. Deb and Tanya, I miss you both, I do keep up from time to time though. I will not be posting any longer. I haven't felt like a member of this forum for a very long time, for many reasons. Some were said, some were not, but mostly lack of respect and appreciation. Jack and Annabelle are doing wonderful. Jack is 3, and after he was shaved down, he got the nickname O.G. for Obese Greyhound....LOL He is on a diet, but so far it isn't helping. Annabelle will be 3 next month and is a beautiful 85 lb girl. They are both still doing wonderful. Annabelle is very much the Nanny to us all. Jack is the goofy, clumsy boy, who keeps us laughing, and amazes us with how smart he is, despite the dumb blonde look....LOL Ashlan and Joey are both doing well, and are enjoying summer vacation. Ashlan won 2 awards this year. She was champion of her class spelling bee, as well she won the highest achievement award in reading, and is reading on the 4th grade level in 2nd grade. Yes, that was a proud Mommy brag!! She is excited about being a 3rd grader now!! Joey is going to be in 1st grade now, and away from me full day next year. He is Momma's boy, and I am curious to see how he will do gone all day. I am sure anyone who knows me, however, are curious to see how *I* am going to do without him. He learned how to read, and has really began enjoying it. I was worried for awhile, as he didn't seem to have the same passion as Ashlan did for reading. Tanya, please continue your emails, I enjoy them. How is your daughter doing? Deb, I would love to hear from you. If you get some free time, drop us a line and of course a few pictures. *wink* There are others on this forum that I do keep up with, I won't name names, as if I forgot someone, I would feel terrible. Please keep in touch, if time permits. Stormi, Jack, and Annabelle. |
| OK, I've had it with you, Stormi.
I did you the courtesy of not replying in public to your unfair tirade against me the first time. I replied at length to you in a private message (which you read), just as I have done on several occasions in the past, ALL OF WHICH HAVE GONE UNANSWERED. Then you have the guts to come back here and try to make it look like someone has blocked your membership, with a username of "Not a member". I haven't-yet. If you are not going to have the courtesy of replying in private, and then continue your assertions in public that this forum isn't Family Friendly I have no choice but to restrict your membership. So here it is, let everyone see why you ARE now banned. Ron to Stormi in a PM wrote: I was going to post this publicly, then decided to make it private, just to you. Why the heck wouldn't you send me a PM like this instead of doing it publicly is beyond me. Feel free to believe the following response or not, but your next public tirade against me will not be tolerated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are just so wrong, Stormi. You keep saying that I have blocked your emails. I keep saying that I haven't. Please forward to me an email that bounced back, showing the headers, that I blocked you, so that I can look into the problem. Please. You've made the same allegations before; I'll repeat my answer one last time: I've never blocked your or anyone's email. Ever. Period. End of story. I removed everybody's administrator status for a short time to defend the board while I figured out how to handle a situation. I sent you a PM on 2/13/2005 explaining that it was effecting everybody's moderator status, it wasn't you personally, please don't be offended. You sent me an email on 2/15/2005 telling me how hurt you were anyway, something that I NEVER understood, nobody else was offended, and I sent you a long letter of apology anyway (even though I really didn't think I owed you one) with another explanation of why I had to do it, that it wasn't directed towards you, but apparently you wouldn't believe it. Even so, everyone's status was retunred within a couple of days, including yours. I removed your moderator status permanently after you threatened (to Stacey!) to delete all of your own posts from the forum. You also threatened to try to have oes.org's Family Friendly status removed. I didn't even do it right away! I sent you an email about it, and you didn't even bother to respond, so after a couple of days I removed your moderator status. I can't allow a person with the ability (if not the allegedly stated intent) to remove posts to have that ability if she's not got to answer my emails. There is a difference between being Family Friendly and being controversial. Family Friendly sites can discuss controversial issues as long as they are done in a clean wholesome way; if not we wouldn't be able to discuss breeding or other health issues about our dogs, so I think you're just way off base with that one. Feel free to look at the guidelines: http://www.familyfriendlysites.com/ffSt ... ?stindex=2 I didn't start a childcare section because I didn't want to. There have been many suggestions about what to do with the forum that I have contemplated and then not done. I spend 10 hours a day on this thing, and it has to keep my interest. Frankly, given people's thin skins about dog raising issues, I didn't want one member telling another member how to raise their kids. How I decide to raise revenue or not is also something that is my perogative. I have decided at the present time to keep the forum itself as free from advertising as possible to improve the experience for our members. If you're logged into the forum, you never even see an ad. At least you shouldn't! If you do, please let me know. I don't feel like begging for money from our members for donations, either. Right now, the advertising that I've allowed on oes.org, plus the revenue from the wonderful calendar that Val put together (completely on her own! Thank you, Val!) is paying all the bills. You forgot to add that you complained a year ago that I had removed your website from oes.org ( http://familytime.oes.org ). The website hadn't been properly entered into the new system as I moved oes.org to a new machine. The instant I learned of the mistake I fixed it. I don't remember seeing a post from Josh asking about Kristen, but I just searched for it and found it over a year old. There are many many posts about "where is Kristen?" still on the forum, including another one from Josh. People ask(ed) about her all the time. I answer it the same way as when people ask about you; that she has decided that she doesn't want to be an active member here anymore. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you wish to reply to this you may do so in private. There will be no more bashing of me by you in public. |
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