Illegal Immigrant Protests

Don't want to ruffle any feathers, but would like to ask all American CITIZENS to voice your opinion about the situation with illegal immigrants to your congressmen, senator's and the president. Concerned or not, voice your opinion, THEY are in mass numbers and have no RIGHTS. YET!

Until their protest I really had no idea how many illegal's are actually living in this country. I wasn't aware that companies like Tyson, Hormel, Cargill, Seaboard Foods, and soooooo many others hire illegal immigrants, and are planning on giving them the day off to protest.

I plan to protest these companies by not doing business with them again UNTIL they become concerned about American WORKERS! And, I plan on asking as many people as I can to do the same. If you agree, please help send them this message.

Should illegals be allowed to protest openly in our streets? I think not. But, that doesn't matter. What does matter is that ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS let their voices be heard!!! America is our homeland, we shouldn't be sold out by the officials we elect into office. PLEASE LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!!!!!!!! CONTACT THEM NOW - BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!

There are many organizations you can contact for further information, such as the Minutemen, FAIR, etc........... Thanks for getting involved and protecting this great land of ours. (I'm not saying they don't belong, they just need to go through the system like all those before them.) jmop

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I agree, speak up.

I live in an area that has grown substantially due to the influx of illegals. They stay because there is work to do and they are willing to do it.

As a business owner I have spoken with many leaders in the community. Our Farmers and Construction companies hire them because they cannot find reliable Americans who will actually show up for work each day

These folks WANT to work and SHOW UP to work every day.

I think they should be allowed to get work visa's so they can pay taxes and support the areas in which they and their children live. Honestly, aren't we all trying to make a better world for our families? Did we always live here or should we be deported by the Native Americans? :wink:

Just my humble opinion.

Here's a post my BIL made. I won't post his website, but it's from his blog that he keeps while in Iraq. I stand where he does on it.

edit* just realized his website comes up if you take the context I quoted and put it into google. What he wrote flows better, but I'm just going to summarize it and/or change some words.

We're all for border security. Govt says it's a difficult thing to achieve. One thought is activating the Nat. Guard so they can watch over it. That's not a good idea because it would cost a LOT more to tax payers because you have to pay for them to work but also their retirement after they do this for us for twenty years.

then another thought is to use these expensive electronic devices to secure the border. basically being another expensive thing for tax payers to keep it going, etc.

So then my BIL basically posts a picture of a wall. Says it will cost a lot to build initially, but then that's it. Plus it is proven to work. It is also used in Iraq (and very effective). It is already used in Calf. The double wall has caused the crime rate to drop to 0 since it has been up. wall is basically eighteen ft high. then there is a fence part to the wall that is another ten ft. It's topped off with a small electrical current. The wall would run from P. Ocean in Calif. to the Gulf of Mex. in TX.

Then he says he challenges people to review the cost of free healthcare, housing, school, college, etc which is NOT FREE because tax payers pay for it. Basically screwing us.

If someone is truly interested in reading about his journey in iraq ...which he just arrived to, i can post his link privately.

I have such mixed emotions on this subject. I (like probably most of you) are of immigrant grandparents.

But...when they came here, they learned English, maybe not perfectly, but enough to communicate and contribute. I know when they took the citizenship test, it was given in ENGLISH ONLY. Those who could not read (many couldn't even read their native language) were given the test orally, IN ENGLISH.

If the influx of immigrants now would because citizens, or at least get legal work visas and learn English, not expecting our country to cater to their language needs) I would have no problems with them.

I have problems with them not assimulating and using our tax resources.

Getting back to the oral citizenship test...when my grandmother took the test, the last (cutesy) question was, "What flies over the White House?" The answer, of course was the American flag. But my "bubie" answered, pigeons!! :wink:

They passed her

My 2 cents worth...Deborah

Joahaeyo wrote:

We're all for border security. Govt says it's a difficult thing to achieve. One thought is activating the Nat. Guard so they can watch over it. That's not a good idea because it would cost a LOT more to tax payers because you have to pay for them to work but also their retirement after they do this for us for twenty years.

They all get the option to retire after 20 years of service, but they don't even see a retirement check until they're 60-65. I can't remember which age.

The wall idea is a good one. It would cost a lot upfront, but it would be cheaper in the long run.

Changing the topic a little bit....a friend of mine is from India and had been here about 10 years. She took the citizenship test a few years ago. One of the questions they asked her was, "Who wrote the StarSpangled Banner?". She knew the answer...I didn't and still can't remember.

Francis Scott Key (Da DA!!!!) :yay:

Do they want the commonly given answers, or the correct ones?

The melody is reportedly an old English drinking song, the lyrics were written by Key.

I like the pigeon answer -- frankly I was stumped by the question; I thought "Nothing" since it's a restricted airspace zone... :oops:

Off topic a little, too...this morning on the radio they had listeners call in and answer questions that are on the citizen test...and man, we have some ignorant American citizens! Like they had one person who couldn't answer how many Supreme Court justices there are...(I know this might not be an obvious one, but with all the court changes last fall, you'd think they would know at least from that)...and then someone was asked to name 5 of the original 13 colonies...they named Virginia (correct), North Carolina (correct), South Carolina (correct), Georgia (correct) and then Alabama! (incorrect). She was then told by the radio hosts to keep it coastal...and she answered Kentucky...she finally came up with Pennsylvania.

Ron, I don't think the air space was restricted at the turn of the last century!

And (shamefully) I'm sure there are many questions on the test that I could not answer! Sort of like the written driving test!!!

I've nevern written my elected officials, but in last month I've written twice, once for border security and the other for illegal immigrants. In one letter I called my US senator a spineless whimp :lol:

Guess I was upset.

being of foreign AND native descent, this is interesting.
I think if they are here working, work visa's and taxes should be enforced.

Rights? learn the language and become a citizen..... building a wall?
didnt we just rejoice at the fall of the berlin wall not all that long ago? when does it cross the line from keeping people out to keeping us in????

Embrace your heritage, but celebrate your life as an American.

When does it cross the line from keeping "them" out and keeping us in? When people want to get out and we don't let them.

Just as I'm in favor of a wall/fence/barricade in Israel, I am in favor of controlling our borders. Not closing, controlling. There's a huge difference.

We are building (what looks to be) 20+ foot sound walls alongside our highways at a million dollars per mile to somewhat reduce sound levels in neighborhoods near the roads. A million dollars per mile. Outrageous.

Even at that price, heck even at $2 million per mile, a 3,000 mile fince would cost $6 Billion. That's a lot of money, but it's not a lot of money, if you know what I mean. If a fence is what is needed to control our borders, then we should build a fence. If we can do it other ways that are more cost effective, then we should do it that way.

I am ALL FOR immigration, but it has to be LEGAL immigration. We are a "nation of laws." Voluntary compliance (and enforced compliance if necessary) is what makes out country work. It is what allows us to have power and phone lines everywhere that aren't torn down and sold as scrap metal. It is the thread of the very fabric of our nation. Allowing people to break the law and enter illegally, then not enforce the immigrations laws once here sends completely the wrong message.

Amnesty (of any sort) ? I don't know. I'm undecided. I can't imagine splitting up families to send some back... wiser folks than I will have to debate and come up with a solution for that issue. That's why we send them to Congress.

I am all for legal immigration. My husband is British and retains his citizenship there. However, he went through all the redtape and paperwork and numerous years until he finally got a permanent resident alien card. Yes I am married to an alien.

My sister, a pediatrician/neo-natalogist, is married (for 23 yrs now) to a Muslim from Qatar. He also is a permanent resident alien.

If someone wants to immigrate into the U.S. please come, but do so legally and pay taxes just like the rest of us Americans. Have American insurance - so when you hit my car - I have recourse. Pay for health insurance just like I do. And my pet peeve, Learn to Speak English!

If you do all that - Welcome to the USA.

Ron wrote:

I am ALL FOR immigration, but it has to be LEGAL immigration. We are a "nation of laws." Voluntary compliance (and enforced compliance if necessary) is what makes out country work. It is what allows us to have power and phone lines everywhere that aren't torn down and sold as scrap metal. It is the thread of the very fabric of our nation. Allowing people to break the law and enter illegally, then not enforce the immigrations laws once here sends completely the wrong message.

Amnesty (of any sort) ? I don't know. I'm undecided. I can't imagine splitting up families to send some back... wiser folks than I will have to debate and come up with a solution for that issue. That's why we send them to Congress.

I agree wholeheartedly with this..... almost all of us come from immigrants, whether you now live in America or Canada etc... immigrants are what built our nations to be what they are. However, times have changed, our nations need more "paperwork" to keep track of an ever growing population.As nations we try to become the best we can be, so of course when a nation looks at a list of immigrants, I would hope they choose the hardworking, LEGAL individuals who aren't known criminals. When they decide to deport someone who has committed a crime, they need to ENFORCE it. etc....
Immigrants coming through legally who have something to offer our countries should be welcomed with open arms.... but they need to understand also that the intense process of getting in legally ensures a nations prosperity and safety, isn't that why they are coming anyway?
The illegals that are already here (and there) I think need to be deported in most cases, but invited to apply legally. I also would not want to split up families though, so I think that is a different situation entirely.

I do think part of the reason both the US and Canada fail so miserably at controlling illegal immigration is that the people sneaking in feel there are no real consequenses. The laws are not enforced.
A very close friend of mine who was a police officer was shot in the head at only 25 years old by an immigrant who had been ordered deported 3 years prior to murdering him. He was a known violent criminal. Yes, he was deported, but he never left.

I agree with what's been said. By all means, come, help us keep this nation strong, proud and free. But, do so legally. Get a legal work permit and pay your way, just like those of us who were born here. If you do that, we will welcome you. There are good reasons for the laws to be the way they are, and they should be enforced.

Border control is the real issue. As another example of what Stacey pointed out, we recently had an illegal alien here who was convicted of drunk driving and someone was killed in the accident he caused. This is the SECOND time this happened. He was already deported once. He told the media if he was deported again, he would be back within a month. He did not fear the consequences of being deported knowing how easy it would be for him to return. So what do we do? Keep him here in jail and pay for him to live here?

I always find it odd that we don't try to help mexico provide a better country for their people so they don't feel the need to leave for the US. They are our next door neighbor, right? If the conditions are so poor, and they must be, or that wouldn't be our largest immigrant population, would it make more sense to reach out a helping hand and help them get the situation straightened out, so that the mexican people can feel safe and happy in their own country?

Just something I always wondered about... why treat the symptoms when you really need to treat the disease?

I agree that it would be nice to help Mexico "fix" their problems, but America needs to "fix" herself before she can help anyone else. We're BROKE. We are in debt to many countries. We BUY from them, whereas, they use to buy from us.

We need to support AMERICAN MADE EVERYTHING. Bring our money and jobs back home! Ever notice when you call a bussiness that most of the time you can't understand the person answering the phone? The company I work for just issued a letter stating that their emails and phone calls would be redirected to a foreign country. They stated many other big businesses were doing this also, because of finances (like that makes it ok).

I sell AVON, and they can't employ American's to answer phones and email!!! I will probably give up this job because of that reason once I fulfill advanced orders I now have. This really sucks!!!!

I hope all of you have contacted your government officials. Lest our voices ring out above theirs, we will surely lose. Does anyone know of an ANTI-AMNESTY protest march or event?

I'm not against legal - but am against illegal entry. You mention jails and crime. I recently read an article stating that there are more illegal aliens in our prisons than citizens, and that some are offered a choice to be deported (with no criminal record), or stand trial.

As for splitting families, they did that when they left their homeland. If your illegal, your a criminal. If your deported, your separated from your family, or they can choose to go with you. If your an American citizen and a criminal, your put in jail and separated from your family. That's the price you pay for the choices you make. Freedom is not cheap.

Tell your congress, senate and the president to do the jobs we sent them there to do. How dare they let this happen in the first place. How dare WE let this happen. The rest of the world is watching to see if America falls under the pressure of demands from these illegal aliens. If we do, they KNOW we're doomed. The borders will be wide open at that point. We can't afford to let down our guard. We can't afford to dishonor our forefathers of this great nation. Especially those that gave their lives.

See- there is no such thing as truly american made products anymore, unless you're talking about produce. Even if something is manufactured here, the materials are from somewhere else. Or vice versa. For instance- I have a Ford Focus- it was made here in the US at a ford plant, but the computer chips that run my computer inside the car weren't, neither was the fabric that goes over my seat cushions, etc etc. It is such an international marketplace. Sure you can support american companies, but pretty much every product you touch from you bath soap in the morning shower, to the bed sheets on you bed, to the keyboards we write with are made with a combination of products all over the world.

And yes, America does need to take a look at some of the problems here- poverty, rising housing prices, national debt, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to the problems of our surrounding countries. We're the richest and most powerful nation in the world, we don't have it that bad, every country is bound to have some issues. I just feel that if we made a stronger effort to help those surrounding us, maybe we could take care of some of the issues that effect our own country- like rising illegal immigration.

But I'm not a politician, a military leader, or the head of a powerful corporation. All normal people like us can do is vote with your conscience, write to youre congressperson when you feel strongly about something, and try to make moral decisions on a daily basis to strenghten your country and community.

Normally I don't get involved in discussions like this, I'm not much of a debater, but thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents.

Interesting that as important as this issue is, that there are only 18 comments out of 204 viewings.

The thing that got me about the protest was seeing all the other countries flags being carried down the streets of the United States. Seems like if you wanted to become a citizen that you'd be carrying an American flag??

I didn't know that becomming a citizen or obtaining citizenship was a stated goal of the protests, just, in my words, "immigrant pride and undocumented criminals decriminalization."

Anonymous wrote:

Interesting that as important as this issue is, that there are only 18 comments out of 204 viewings.

I've viewed the responses several times, myself. I'm sure some people don't feel comfortable expressing their beliefs on a forum about their pets (or anywhere, maybe). It doesn't mean that all 204 viewers to the thread didn't find it important enough to discuss, just maybe this wasn't the right venue for them.

I know that the mayor of LA (or at least I think it was the mayor of LA) urged the potential protesters on the day before the rally to only waive American flags, not their native flags...

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Are you speaking just mexico or any other country? If you mean helping any country in contributions of money, human rights, or strengthening democracies...I personally don't see it the same way. We are the wealthiest and strongest nation, and we have to set the example and help others. We want allies and keep the ones we have. It helps secure the peace and encourages other nations to do the same.

mouthypf wrote:

Actually, if I understand correctly the US GDP is approximately $12.41 trillion (2005 est.) and the debt is $8.837 trillion (30 June 2005 est.)
If you compare that to someone who earns 80,000 a year and has just purchased a 100,000 dollar home, you'd think that person is in really good shape right?

The first problem with that theory is that GDP total economic activity, not income. The US income (taxes) is around 2.1 trillion(2005), so the debt is around 6 times income. If I sold a billion-dollar warship every year as my business but only made $10,000 a year, a $100,000 house would be beyond my means, while my equivalent of the GDP would be $1 billion.

If your 80K a year guy had a debt of $480,000 (6 times 80k), half for his house the other half in credit cards, he wouldn't be in very good shape... especially if his debt was growing at 20 or 30K per year. He's in danger of not being able to make his minimum payments. Perhpas bankruptcy.

So is the US. Worse is there's a problem with his house, he needs to do some serious maintenance on his driveway (the interstates are falling apart) and he's got a huge termite problem (retirement of the baby boomers) that's going to cost a ton of money very soon.

The major problem is the debt is a result of a current account deficit, and is also exclusive of bonds and other debts sold by states and municipalities to fund infrastructure.

Also, if the US were to amortize their bonds I'd be more at ease with it; we've pretty much exchanged all of our 30 year debt into 5 and 10 year debt to reduce the current account deficit (because of the lower interest rates for short term notes rather than long term bonds). We should be selling 30 year amortizing bonds as a plan for paying down the deficit over the next 50 years.

30 year amortizing bonds would show the actual current account deficit if we are going to pay off this debt, and would make it easier for people to understand just how much money we've got borrowed from the rest of the world. This would affect our cash flow statement (we'd have to include part of the principal on these long bonds immediately) for the first 5 years, but would have only the added higher interest expense as an actual impact on the total debt.

Besides, I believe interest rates will be climbing; it would be a good thing for the government to lock in at least SOME of their debt at this interest rate level. Or at least I THINK it is a good idea -- who knows what sapping all of that long term capital out of the market will do on a macroeconomic basis. I'll bet that some eggheads could take a guess at it, but not me.

Source for some figures: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/tables.html

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Interesting that as important as this issue is, that there are only 18 comments out of 204 viewings.

Well, I for one, have read this thread several times and I have very
strong feelings on this issue. I have not commented on this so far
because I don't want to offend anyone, and my opinion would
probably offend someone.

Shellie

This is going on everywhere - I live in the UK and its absolutely terrible. Just recently a police officer got shot and died as a result. However, its come out that the guy who shot her was an imigrant who spent time in prison and then should of been deported but wasn't - its just not on at all. To make it worse, imigrants seem to get off lightly than residants, it makes me sick !

Many years ago I had to go get food stamps. I was told to go over to the Welfare office to see what assistance we could get at that time.

Upon giving the lady all the info she requested, I was told she was sorry that there was nothing they could do for us. BUT, that if my husband and I hadn't been living together she said I'd qualify for several programs.

Standing next to my husband I told her no thanks. If I had to throw him out of the house, or lie about it in order to get help they could keep it!!! There she was, a government worker telling me HOW to beat the system. Imagine that, split up the family and we'll help. He was working, but good paying jobs in the area were few and far between. Thank God all that changed for the betterment of everyone.

$80,000 a year jobs for most people are a dream. Health and decent RX coverage is lacking. When we're lucky enough to bring home that good money, we have to travel away from our own neighborhoods to see what is "really" happening in America. Sometimes next door there is a great need, but embarrassment keeps them from displaying it.

When $400 - $500 a week of our paychecks goes toward taxes, gas is $3 a gallon, etc., etc... its time to clean house. When is enough enough?

I seen where they are protesting Exxon-Mobile in order to cause a price war on gasoline. That's a good start. Contacting our elected officials and letting them know we want America back. We want to be able to offer our kids the "American Dream", not what we have in store for them now!!! Voice your opinions - let America and the World know we're not gonna take it any more!!!

This is what Teddy Roosevelt's ideas were on being an American and Immigrants. From a Speech in 1907

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Wow, Elissa...you went and did homework!

Good Job! He was also known for using the following quote:

"Speak softly, but carry a big stick."

That quote says a lot. And, his speech is soooooo true. If only our leaders today felt as strong as he did towards American loyalty.

Keep emailing, calling and writing!!! Don't let them have a moment's peace until we, the citizen's of the great country get what we want! Our voice's ARE being heard!!!

Visit: www.fairus.org

and www.minutemen.com

Thanks! Mouthypf (sorry - forgot to log on)

Pam,
I use this site to fax directly to senators, congress people ...etc
http://www.numbersusa.com/
They provide prewritten letter or you can do you own.
I usually just add a PS at the bottom.

Exxon-Mobil accounts for less than 10% (I'm thinking it's around 3%) of the world energy/gas companies. Boycotting them is useless. We are not in a position to boycott anything.

Did you know India and China now consume as much oil as we did 10 years ago? Soon they will pass us by.

The US is in hock to the world, we make less and less, our once mighty agriculture is being gobbled up by urban sprawl, we import nearly all our fuel and as Ron said, we are looking at some serious deficits in the entitlement programs.

And who will refill the coffers? Not illegal immigrants......they send their money back home. Money earned by illegals and sent back to Mexico is the second largest money maker for Mexico behind their oil industry.

Oh, let me get off my soap box........

s.

Thanks Elissa! I forgot about that one. Been there a few times myself.

sheepieboss wrote:

.........Oh, let me get off my soap box........

NO! Don't get off. That's why we have the problems we have. Everyone sits around and either keeps quiet, or just complains. No one has taken action! This may be our last chance to repair the damage that's been done.

So, keep on, keepin on!!!

Pepsi's Mommy wrote:

This quote actually really scares me. My sister is a history teacher and she was telling me how Teddy Roosevelt was so insanely pro-american that he wanted to get rid of all holidays and customs that werent entirely american, so if it were up to him we'd have no Passover, no St. Patricks day etc. He also tried to figure out which ethnic groups took the longest to assimilate in order to banish them.

Even if he wasn't slightly nuts I still think the quote is scary. Defining Americans as something distinct from other cultures seems really ridiculous considering we are a nation of immigrants.

I think we are something distinct from other cultures, we're not homogeneous. We have our own culture, and it's evolving.

Speaking of immigration (and by golly we were) Joan sent me an email she received:

Quote:

Two al Qaeda Spies Meet in America.

They meet in a busy restaurant after they had successfully slipped into the U.S.

The first spy starts speaking in Arabic. The second spy shushes him quickly and whispers:

"Don't blow our cover. You're in America now. Speak Spanish."

Sad though isn't it? When I go to the Dr's office and nobody in the waiting room is speaking english I feel very out of place and uncomfortable. Everybody from every other country that comes here learns English. My Grandfather came over at 4 yrs old and was forbidden to speak Russian anymore by his mother. She said you are now an American and Americans speak English, so you must speak English. They never spoke another word of Russian.

My grandfather moved to America from France at something like 4 years old, too. His family was the same way. The only problem...they moved to a town in Pennsylvania that was all German...so while they thought they were learning to speak English, they actually learned German!!

barney1 wrote:

The only problem...they moved to a town in Pennsylvania that was all German...so while they thought they were learning to speak English, they actually learned German!!

LMAO that's hysterical!

Lil Walty wrote:

Pepsi's Mommy wrote:

I think what he is saying, is that when someone comes to America to become a citizen, they have to be "willing" to give up ALL loyalities to whatever country they came from. They have to be "willing" to stand in battle against their former homeland and its people, knowing that some of those people may be their family.

Imagine being in a foxhole. The guy next to you is an American, but an immigrant from say Russia. The battles blazing, a Russian has his gun aimed at you. The immigrant next to you sees this and is prepared to fire, BUT realizes its his cousin. Will he save your life or hesitate?

I think T. Roosevelt had wisdom, and knew if we were to function as a great nation we had to become an individual nation. We are not a nation of immigrants. We ARE AMERICA, with linages from other countries and backgrounds, but AMERICANS first.

I don't care what bloodline you have flowing through your veins as long as you're an AMERICAN at heart. My bloodline is half native American, so I'm half immigrant. I'm American, born here, raised here, and plan on staying here - with FREEDOM.

The subject isn't really about being immigrants, its about whether or not to allow millions of people to walk across our borders, take our jobs, require us to learn another language instead of them learning English, us paying taxes and them NOT, a child being expelled from school for holding a legal rally and noncitizen students walking out for a rally and not being punished at all.

It's about voting people into office and them HEARING our cries of disagreement, yet going ahead with what they want instead of listening. That's what scares me!!! Our leaders are leading America down the road of destruction, and WE have to stop it now, before it's too late.

CALL, WRITE and EMAIL congress and let your voice be heard on a daily basis!!! JMOP but, I love America and what it stands for.

I actually think the scariest part is when we deny people that are dying of starvation, being oppressed by their government, watching their children die because they dont have proper healthcare etc etc (fill in whatever terrible thing people all over the world are suffering from) "our" resources and "our" jobs because we were lucky enough to be born here and they were not.

i also think the draft and forcing anyone to fight in a war is a terrible thing, and i wouldnt kill a russian over an american either and i have no russian blood in me at all.

perhaps we should concentrate on being good humans instead of good "americans"

Lil Walty wrote:

I actually think the scariest part is when we deny people that are dying of starvation, being oppressed by their government, watching their children die because they dont have proper healthcare etc etc (fill in whatever terrible thing people all over the world are suffering from) "our" resources and "our" jobs because we were lucky enough to be born here and they were not.
perhaps we should concentrate on being good humans instead of good "americans"

I don't disagree with you Heather, but the problem is that we have people who are starving, lacking health care, and suffering within our own borders. When your resources are limited you have to make some hard choices. There are no easy answers.

Why should they be in the United States? I mean they have no respect for anyone. They don't respect our laws. If they can cross the border, what to say terrorists would bring bombs to the U.S, across the very same border. We need a Berlin type wall on the border. I agree and support the minutemen. I'm an army veteran. This my country, and I support the United States. I bought a gun, this past weekend. We have gang problems in our area. And guess what type of gangs, Mexicans. I took a oath in the millitary, and I still believe in that oath.

Of course if you break any Constitutionally valid laws, you become the domestic enemy of the Constitution that you swore to defend against.

This is relevant but, somewhat off topic so bare with me. For the last few years the county I live in has been trying to set up these day laborer centers for illegals and every area of Montgomery County, MD has done a NIMBY. (not in my backyard) It took quite a while to get these centers set up in shopping centers where the day laborers cluster. Naturally, the whole organization/situation is highly irritating to me as the tax payers of Montgomery County, MD, myself included are footing the bill for illegals to find work. Everytime I was reading about the arrangement in the paper, I kept ruminating over the fact that I am now an accesory to a federal crime as my county executive/local politicians have decided to aid and protect people that are breaking the law. Yesterday, I opened the local paper and realized that someone had set one of the day laborer centers on fire and the police are now investigating the incident as a hate crime. (there go more of my tax dollars hard at work for the investigation and to replace/rebuild due to the damage)

Both sets of my Grandparents came into this country the legal way and I am particularly sensitive to the issue of illegal immigration. I absolutely get the idea that people living in poverty would want to come to the US to make a better life for themselves. I just wish that the influx of people coming from the South of us would follow the correct procedures to acquire the American Dream. This is cutting the line on a grand scale.

Fred,CanYouSeeMe? wrote:

......I just wish that the influx of people coming from the South of us would follow the correct procedures to acquire the American Dream. This is cutting the line on a grand scale.

I apologize to your grandparent's and everyone else that has obeyed the law acquiring that dream. And, especially those that are fighting, have fought and given their lives for those rights.

I agree with you!

I wish our politicians would stop wasting all this time and money on this issue! If you break the law, you go to jail - or in this case back home!

I just can't understand why it doesn't p_ss them off like it does me listening to these people as they make DEMANDS, when they're breaking laws just by being here!

Watching many of them BURNING OUR FLAG, FLYING IT UPSIDE DOWN, and even others FLYING IT UPSIDE DOWN UNDER THE MEXICAN FLAG makes my heart sick! If they show such little respect for our country, they aren't looking for their "part" of the American dream - they want much more! They want America, and SOME of our leaders are prepared to just hand her over!

IF they REALLY want to become a citizen: send them to IRAQ for a year FIRST! If they don't want to go, SEND THEM SOUTH OF THE BORDER!
Their lovalty is not to America, it's to Mexica. JMOP

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