maybe theres a solution for harvey--- I need some help tho!
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| That's what I use the crate for -- to settle Maggie down when she gets wound up. I put her in there with a toy and a bone and don't let her out til she is calm and until I am prepared to deal with her. |
| You either use a crate as Val said and let him carry on and only let him out when he has calmed down. Time to get tough on him!! You have a very serious situation occuring. This little pup is going to turn into a big strong dog. He also has to learn that he is not the alpha, you and your familyare! You have a young child and you are having problems already, you have another on the way. Are you really going to have time to put harvey right & correct the situation that is happening?
I hope you can but sometimes hard decisions have to be made in the best interests of your family and the safety of the children. Sorry to put a negative on this but I think there is an awful lot to consider. I really do hope you can work the problems out, but please consider all aspects of your situation at the moment and into the future. |
Time-outs work in some situations but only if used for less than 5 minutes because the dog no longer remembers why he/she is taking one. (At least that's what our trainer has said.  ) Also, in order for a crate/kennel to be a place they look forward to going, it should not be used as punishment or any negative aspect of training. |
| We had to use "time outs" a LOT with our first OES, Shakespeare. When he got too excited, he was put in his crate for a 3-5 minute "time out". As soon as the time was up, he was let out of the crate. This turned out to be very effective for us, even though there were some days that it seemed like he was doing more "time outs" than not. Shakepeare's crate was in the living room, where we spent most of our time, so even when he was in a "time out" he was still with the family.
Interestingly, when Shakespeare was older and wanted some quiet time, he would go into his crate, turn around and pull the door shut! When he was ready, he would push the door open and join the family again. Good Luck, Jennifer, Baxter, Cassiopia and Sharkey |
| You could try putting him on a comfy, yet high peice of furniture... I know that might sound odd, but Pip is 11 weeks, and when he is super bad, I put him on the living room chair. He's removed from us by a physical barrier, and the surrounding is very soft, so he calms down, similarly to when you've hard a hard day and flop down in bed. Something to try anyhow (But maybe not such a great idea if your a no dog on the furniture kinda person).
You can also try putting him a a baby gated room- such as the kitchen or a bathroom maybe. That way he can see you, but he's away from the rest of the family for a little time out. don't cave in if he cries or whines though... Note that Pippin does climb baby gates already- so there is always that possibility... |
| If i do not use his crate ( as i am afraid to do because he really freaks out in there) ...how do I get him to stay in his "time out chair"??? |
| Pip generally stays in his for a couple minutes on his own. He likes soft fluffy things. Hmm... I guess you could try wedging a sofa cushion or other large pillow in between the arms of the chair- making a sort of padded cell... Make sure to use a piece of furniture you don't mind being a little chewed on- Pip likes to gnaw on sofa throw pillow corners!!! Luckily, the fabbic I bought is tough stuff- who knew a striped cotton satin sofa would take that kind of abuse?
Don't forget about the baby gate option too... If you feel like you need to talk, and blow off a little naughty puppy steam feel free to pm me! |
| About returning him to the breeder...was this an exoerienced breeder. Did they help you in picking this dog? He sounds very alpha male to me, and showing all these aggressive issues. They would have known this behaviour was there at 8 weeks...if they spent time with him.
Being that he is 12 weeks, in puppy class...you have potential to train him. But being pregnant, and a 2 yr old will stress the heck out of you...if the breeder would consider taking him back and then when the next litter comes you get to pick a more placid pup...a lot more laid back. Maybe you do something like that??? I know placing him through a paper is risky, but I also understand the amount of money you would be saying goodbye too. You could do rescue as the other suggested. In the end chalk it up to experience, and then next time you take what you've learned and pick a more appropiate temperament. The OES is a wonderful breed, you just weren;t matched with the right one. I believe this is entirely the breeder's fault, and if they care, they should be able to do something for you. Good luck, if you try and tough it out. And congrat't on the baby. |
| Hi,
Going to pipe up again too..from what you've related I don't think it's the right match either. Now step back for a second and think you're having all this upheaval and the pup is only weeks old. Now imagine within the year he will be aprox 100 pounds..and what you don't change now..he will continue to do at that size, with two babies in the house. I really wish you the best and no matter what you decide we're all here for you. Marianne and the boys |
| But do remember that the crate should never be uses as "punishment", otherwise he will grow to dislike being in it. His crate should always be viewed as his "home" a comforting place that he wants to be. I wonder if you have another option for "time out" such as another room or outside? |
| I think before you make any decisions about giving him away, if you really want to keep him, hire a trainer to come to your home and work with him and you. It's a small price to pay to make things work. From everything you've said, it sounds like Harvey is bullying you and he needs to understand that you're the leader of the pack-- not him. At 11 weeks old, he's in his prime training time and a good trainer will also "train" you to handle Harvey's behavior. |
| I use it now with Ollie (9months) when he starts to get snappy or wants to play when we eat - he goes to his pen and he's there for about 2-3 mins - he's sharpy told no and we walk out. he's like a different dog when he comes back in, all loving and calm - its taken a while though - keep going - we're all here for you !! |
| We are new to this forum,,,,Lulu is our new 8 wk old girl,,,,she apparently is a 3 on the behavior scale,,,,we have a small ranch in the mountains of Mexico so she has plenty of space,,,also 3 other dogs to play with,,,we have noticed she is far more active and strong than all our other puppies were and is very good on her hind legs,,,she is also very mouthy and toothy like our terrier and holds her own in a play fight,,,we have no info on OES behaviour and feel that unlike our other large dog, a Pyranese she will need a firmer hand and more constant supervision.... we have sheep and burros and feel she would make a good guard but have no trainers here to use for her,,,any tips? |
| I believe that with your pup, stern is more appropriate than a "firm hand". OES tend to shrink away from any kind of physical discipline. Think of them as intellectuals instead of jocks. Making consequences for her actions are better than any kind of harsh physical punishment. If she's too rough, she is taken out of the situations to be by herself for a short time. She needs to know that you are the boss and not her that should also help in how she interacts with the other dogs. |
| I think you misunderstood the term firm hand,,, the most Lulu gets is a tap on the head with one finger.... what I meant was we need to pay more attention to her behaviours and correct or redirect more often than with our other pups. She is VERY intelligent, no doubt. She is independant too, most of our other pups would stay with us, she goes off on her own adventures and seeks out her own fun...we find that remarkable. We have no idea what kind of home she came from, we found her languishing in a small cage in a pet shop, she was 6 weeks old and barely had nubs of teeth...She and us are just finding our feet.
she is very good with the other dogs, though very fierce and they correct her behaviour rougher than we do and she is becoming quite socialized. Just in the last night she used licking for affection more than biting which is quite an improvemnt. she always has a smile on her face when she is loved, but when she wants down, SHE WANTS DOWN, though she is getting better at showing it with less tazmanian devil growling...she just is very active more so than we expected from a large breed. |
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