Containment options that work?
It's not really realistic for me to take him outside when I'm home alone - my kids are the problem with this. Oh and the problem with Jasper is he wants to be outside ALL the time. He loves it outside, and he scratches the door a lot. Has anyone used the underground fencing? Does it actually work? |
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| I trained Dudley (my Berner) with the underground fence.. it worked/works wonderful. I never put the collar on him anymore, he just know how far he can go.
Murphy seems to follow Dudleys lead.. they both stay in the yard and our fence is only about 3' high.. more for decoration then containment. |
| I'm not a big fan of underground fencing, I have seen too many dogs run through them and not be able to come back in. I know alot of people think very highly of them. Would it be possible to come up with some type of fenced dog run using a side of your hous as one side of the fence? Like a 15 x 10 area where one of the long sides was a side of the house (to cut down on expense) and use 6 ft stockade? When I lived in town with Tasker I had a dog run that was made out of wire between two poles the tie out was a wire cable encased in plastic, I think I bought it brom Agway. I had to replace it about once a year, it was about $20.00 but it was a less expensive option than a fence. |
| Thanks everyone. Right now, we have a towing chain that he's attached to when he goes out. He pulled the stake it was on out of the ground this morning, so Jason had to chase him.. Agh..
We're going to go to Lowe's this afternoon when Jason gets off work, and pick up one of these: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=p ... lpage=none Then, we're going to get this cover to go over it: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=p ... lpage=none My parents came by to pick up the boys for the weekend yesterday, and my dad brought his electric fence charger and some wire.  I just can't do that to him though. I think the kennel will be our best bet, and he shouldn't be able to jump it since it has the cover over it. Besides - we'll be out in the yard all the time this summer, so he'll get a chance to play some too.
Right now, I'm REALLY wishing we had bought a house in the country instead of the "city limits". I don't like having to tie him up and not letting him run around and play.  There's all kinds of animals around here running loose, and they all have homes in town, so I don't know why they're picking on Jasper. |
Just be sure you secure the kennel into the ground so he can't knock it over  I think it's your best option!! Good Luck. |
| i've got one of the best jumpers there is - my border collie mix. Ten years old and can leap 7' from a sitting position. She used to jump my parents' fence when i lived at home. Problem was, there were large, not very nice dogs on all sides. And she's dog aggressive. So you can see the problem.
The underground fencing will work. If it doesn't, you don't have it turned up high enough or the right collar for your dog. I know that sounds mean, but keeping your dog in your yard is a big priority. Proper training on it right from installation is also key- if it's not done properly, your dog may never be able to be contained that way. |
| Sorry, but I don't agree with you. Many dogs do quite well with the underground fence but not all. My old neighbor had an irish setter that would get excieted by something outside the fence and run right through it. Because the fence is on once they calm down they are unable to return home. Right now I have a friend that has a bichon , the dog occasionally and has the same problem gets out of the fence and cannot get back in. A dog trainer told me once that they are great tools for keeping a dog on your property if you are outside with the dog but that you should never leave a dog unattended and trust the underground fence to keep a dog safe. Another dog, or animal can cause your dog to for get the pain of the electric shock and break through.
If you live in the country and the dog getting off the property is not a real issue I would use it but I would not trust it in town where it is crucial that the dog stay on the property But, that is just my opinion. |
| I think one problem with the underground fencing is that the only way to find out it doesn't work is after the dog has left the property. Some sort of physical containment is the best option... just my opinion.
The dogs at the two houses around the corner from us both had underground fencing. Both dogs had at times gotten off the property... they were extremely fortunate that they had not been hit by a car on the busy road near them. Our vets used the underground fencing for the office cat. He began to regulary escape... one customer found him under their car, thankfully before they left. He now lives at the receptionists home instead. As for the kennel, the people behind us had a 6' kennel and the two dogs in it would regulary climb over the top, then over the chain link fence that surrounded the property. We would push them back over the fence into their yard. They finally put a top on the kennel and that stopped the escapes until one day the dogs just disappeared (they said they were going to shoot them  ).
If you go with a kennel, I would strongly recommend a brake-away collar so he can't possibly hang himself if he tries to escape. Read the information about these collars carefully because you can't restrain the dog by simply grabbing the collar but it is supposed to prevent strangulation- http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=72 ... c&start=15 |
| With that kind of expense, I'd check around for some 6 ft. fencing and wooden stakes and do a bigger section of the yard. As mentioned before, you can use your house as one side and only purchase what you'd need for the other 3 sides. JMOP |
| Something that might help...
Our Australian shepherd used to be a jumper so we figured she needed more exercise. We started walking her twice a day for at least half an hour each time. It REALLY made a difference. On the weekends we would hike with her for an hour, she seemed so much more content. No more fence jumping  |
TotallyRoofus wrote: i've got one of the best jumpers there is - my border collie mix. Ten years old and can leap 7' from a sitting position.
I just thought I'd use this opportunity to point out that at over a year and a half, Clyde still cannot get in the truck unassisted.
*sigh* |
ButtersStotch wrote: TotallyRoofus wrote: i've got one of the best jumpers there is - my border collie mix. Ten years old and can leap 7' from a sitting position. I just thought I'd use this opportunity to point out that at over a year and a half, Clyde still cannot get in the truck unassisted. *sigh*  Yeah, I have to help Louie get in the car, too.  |
| Jamie, I think we're just enabling them! He's done it a couple of times so I know he can. I do believe we've been trained! |
ButtersStotch wrote: Jamie, I think we're just enabling them! He's done it a couple of times so I know he can. I do believe we've been trained!
Yep, I've been trained. Because Louie loves to jump and hop all over the place (I think his motto is why just run when you can jump!). Yet when it comes time to put him in the back of the Xterra... Nope. I've gotta pick him up. But he really could care less about car rides that just waiting for him to jump in would have us there forever. |
| I was very proud of Beaureguard this afternoon, for the first time ever, he got into the car with me only having to lift one leg, just a little bit. He's gotten much, much better.
Genevieve, on the other hand, who is quite capable of loading with no assistance as she's proved several times, just stands there with her front two feet in the Highlander, looking back at me saying "what are you waiting for Mom? Lift me up!" As for fence jumping, I'm terribly grateful that they have shown no interest in it. Almost every dog I've fostered has been able to jump the 5' fence, so it makes me extremely glad my own haven't picked it up.
Good luck, Gail! Hope you find something that works. |
| I have that exact kennel, and use it for foster dogs, or when I need to contain mine for a doggie doo check. I love it.
I also have a very large backyard, fully fenced, but use my kennel quite often. Many dogs need to get a running start to climb or jump a fence, and for an OES it is not quite big enough to get that big run. The electrical fences MIGHT work, and might not. Plus they often cause behavioral problems because the dog associats the correction with something other than what they are doing. Then you have more problems. As for turning it up, that is exactly why I would never have one nor recommend anyone having one. I hear all about the training that is required and that is gets so that the dog only needs a vibration of sorts, not a painful zap. Well, the whole attitude of "if it doesn't work then hurt the dog more" really bothers me, and contradicts how they are supposed to be trained on them. That is just being cruel. |
| I agree that turning up the "degree of correction" just doesn't work. By the time a dog hits the limit of his boundary it's usually too late for him to turn back. Once a dog has escaped he usually remembers that it hurt going out so he may or may not return.
Both of our dogs are trained to the electronic fence and do very well with it.... with either myself or my husband keeping a close watch on them the entire time they're outside. This may defeat the purpose of the fence but gives us peace of mind. We have more trouble with neighbor dogs and "wildlife" getting into our yard and Maggie is too old to fend off an attack. Since you're spending the money anyway, go with the largest fenced area you can afford using the tallest fencing. |
| The people I know who have used it successfully use it that way, as containment when they are out and about to keep their eye on the dog, or if they are in the house they are at least keep a watch. |
Thanks again everyone. They're supposed to deliver it on Monday. Hope we get through the weekend okay.  He's not outside the whole day or anything, so really, this is just for the 15-20 minute intervals when he's going potty or the kids are eating. We talk walks with him daily (weather allowing), so I'm not too worried about exercise. We do the walks for us to get exercise and him too.
Our backyard is fenced in already. It's 4 feet tall, two sides are chain-link and two sides (bordering neighbor's yards) are a wood privacy fence. The ONLY side he jumps from is the one that leads to the side door. He usually does stay in our yard. He does cross the street sometimes, but he always goes to our neighbor's house. They have a dog also, and he's chained up outside all the time. He goes over there and tries to play. We think he's wanting a friend, because we noticed when he's barking with the cats, he's bouncing around and acts like he wants to play with them. I've given consideration to the kids walking to school everyday. I try to be really careful about not letting him out from 7-7:40 and 3-3:30 everyday. Just in case he did jump the fence and chase kids. He will chase kids - he chases mine (playfully but it would be scary having a 80 pound dog running at you), so I can see why he would scare them. I just can't imagine when he was out at a time to scare them though. If he HAD to go out during those times, I usually took him out on his leash. It's not like he's running wild around town or something - that's why I don't understand why they visited us. The only thing I can think of is that city employees were doing work on the covert the other day. He jumped the fence and ran over there to where they are. He's a friendly dog, and he probably wanted to play with them. I heard him bark and I noticed it wasn't coming from the back yard. I looked out the door, and he was in the front yard near them. I called him and he ran back into the house. I dunno... Anyway, hopefully this will work. It's taller, covered, will give him shade while us & the boys are outside playing this summer. We're supposed to take him camping the weekend after next - I'm kind of afraid to take him...lol I hope it goes well. He is a sweet dog, he just has a ton of energy and he loves people. |
| One caution about the fenced containment no matter how high. I once owned a weimaraner that was a great jumper. I built an 8' high fenced area up against the back of the house. Next day he was out - dug right under it. Solution: lined the inside perimeter with concrete pavers.
I think the 10x10 containment area is a bit small for long periods. My guys have about 1200 sf of concrete paved area, but they are barkers so they spend most of the time in the house unless I'm outside to control their barking. But we walk about 3 miles in the evenings for exercise. |
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