Labradoodle/Goldendoodle
Are there any historical (if you can call it historical) health risks they have? Are the litters like lab litters, in that you never know what color, coat texture, size you are going to get? Any obedience/personality issues they may have? All the sites paint these lovable , energetic dogs that lay at your feet or the fireplace hearth when inside. Just doing a little proactive research so I am armed with pros/cons during the family's discussion. |
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| I would assume they carry all the risks of the breeds that create whatever crosses you're looking into. A lab/ poodle cross would carry the risks and traits of labs and poodles, and so on.... |
| A friend has a grooming business and reports the "...doodles" mix dogs are more aggressive in the grooming parlor. She is assuming it is the poodle in them causing this. |
| Here in Australia, the labrador is used as guide dogs. For years also there has been a stringent breeding program at the guide dog centre crossing labrador and poodles (Labradoodles) for those people with allergies to dog hair. This has been very successful and the guide dog centre has always done all the approriate testing on any of there dogs for breeding happy and healthy puppies as these pups when grown have to be as many thousands of dollars are invested into them with training them to become guide dogs for the blind.
As far as all these deisgner fluffies are concerned, I think they will suffer from health issues that each particular breed is proned too. They are becoming very fashionable in Oz all these fancy cross breeds with fancy names and lots of people are also starting to realise that they come with huge problems as well, from health issues to temperament problems. Non are tested like pure breeds are, so hence big issues with them here. Anyone can do these crosses and produce these designer dogs as they are not registered with anyone so they can do what they like and that is where the problem begins for the people that end up with these puppies and most of these designer pups are more expensive then registered pure bred dogs that have to have all the health checks done prior to having puppies.JMO |
| Hear Hear! Well said.
It doesn't matter if the two dogs are the same breed or different, unless care is taken in selecting healthy, stable dogs for breeding, the results can be disasterous. One bad dog can severely contaminate the gene pool for generations. People out for money and not the betterment of a breed don't give a "hoot" about genetics, stability, temperament, etc......it is all money, money, money. Cash in on the current popularity be it Rubic's Cubes or designer dogs. s |
| I will try to be good...I will try to be good.....I will try to be good.
These are mutts, pure and simple, and often bred by the same folks that are filling the pet stores and the internet sites with over-priced, medically unhealthy pups bred in filth and with no regard to the care or welfare of the dogs being bred. Or the behavioral problems of the unsocialised pups. Why? Because they can and the public keeps buying them. The offspring of a cross is a crapshoot for the genes that will be passed on to each pup in the litter. The only way to come close to guarenteeing any of the deisred traits will be in each pup is to breed two dogs with the same traits, whose parents had the same traits, and those dogs' parents had the same traits etc. etc. for generations. That's what pedigrees are for. |
| I'm not looking to be argumentative, and I'm never in favor of irresponsible breeding, but essentially every dog breed in existence began as a "mutt" if you really get down to it. Then through careful selection and breeding for characteristics, a new breed was created and the line was bred to keep those traits.
This is a selection about breeding from the University of Minnesota Extension Service Web site: Quote: The beginning of selective breeding When people decided to keep one dog rather than another or to acquire particular dogs with desirable characteristics, hoping to see these characteristics in the offspring, they began the process of selective breeding. This process is behind the tremendous variation reflected in our modern dog breeds. Whether by accident or design, as dogs with particular morphological (physical) characteristics became distinctive, they were also recognized for behavioral traits and for the services they began to perform for man. As particular dogs became recognized as better than average at hunting, retrieving, tracking or herding, humans selected mates for these dogs that looked similar or showed similar abilities. These breedings frequently resulted in offspring with similar or improved capabilities. SheepieBoss wrote: It doesn't matter if the two dogs are the same breed or different, unless care is taken in selecting healthy, stable dogs for breeding, the results can be disasterous. One bad dog can severely contaminate the gene pool for generations.
Exactly. There's plenty of sick dogs to come through the AKC line in purebred dogs. It's not as if they do a lot to stop the breeding of those dogs that are contaminating future generations. We all know the AKC has no interest in money and everything they do is simply for the good of the breeds.  I'd say the majority of people are in it for the money, the other small percentage is in it for the love of and dedication to the breed.
I guess when I hear things like "these dogs are nothing but mutts," it just really bums me out. My dog Lucy is a mutt by those standards and is the best dog anyone could ask for. Perfect temperment, beautiful, loves all people and things. Just because she isn't purebred doesn't make her any less of a dog and she's a lot healthier than many "purebred" dogs that I know of. I'd pay whatever price someone asked for another dog with her traits-- I wouldn't care if they crossed her with a pig! We have at least 10 labra and/or golden doodles at the dog park that we frequent and every one of them seems to be a sweet, healthy dog from what I know of them-- with tons of energy I might add! A couple of the people that I've talked to did some serious research before they made the selection of the cross as well as the particular dog that they chose. I admit, one woman really expected a magic dog-- no shedding, well behaved-- essentially a trained dog in a box. Imagine her surprise! But, ultimately, these people really love their dogs but they take a lot of flack for making a decision that they're happy with. I certainly don't think that anyone should be breeding without doing all the proper research and without the right intentions. People need to educate themselves before they get any dog but the breeder should be there to educate as well. I know the attractive trend of breeding the labradoodles has seen a lot of breeders who are not breeding under the right conditions or for the right reasons but I support the breeding program in Australia and any other responsible program. There are some out there breeding to encourage the positive traits of the breeds and if proper care is taken in creating even tempered healthy dogs, I don't see any reason to actively discourage it just because it isn't a recognized breed. At one time, no breeds were really recognized! |
I agree... a mutt is just as good a dog as any other, in many cases by far the better dog if you compare the behaviour of my goofs to my parents lab/ husky cross! 
I just don't like to see people passing off a mutt as a purebred, not doing health testing before breeding, not researching and learning exactly what they are doing before bringing innocent furbaby lives into the world. People who are seriously trying to create a new breed with purpose, thought and care are a totally different story. |
Willowsprite wrote: People who are seriously trying to create a new breed with purpose, thought and care are a totally different story.
I agree-- that's really the point I'm getting at. It's the irresponsible people ruining it for the responsible breeders that are trying to develop something good and giving them all a bad name. It's sad for those who are dedicated. I always have to come to the rescue of mutts, regardless! |
Quote: when I hear things like "these dogs are nothing but mutts,"
Sorry if I offended you, Ed. 
To clarify, I did not say nothing but mutts, but that these are mutts, pure and simple. I love all dogs, believe me. I just can't stand people passing a cross-bred as a breed. It is not. It is a mutt. I guess I should have said loveable mutt.
I would be all for these designer breeds if all the pet puppies were spayed/neutered prior to placement so that only reputable people interested in creating a breed were the ones doing the choosing of the dogs to breed. But they aren't, So any John Henry can breed any lab-poodle cross with whatever they want, and often do, to make some of the money back that they paid for it. Or anyone with a pet poodle will breed it with a pet labrador to make some bucks. It is a never-ending story that continues anytime some bright person decides to breed 2 different breeds. BTW, the lastest trend is the cross-breed called a Puggle, now. A pug-beagle cross. Yikes! Will it ever stop???? |
Sure, but I just have one more question: who's Ed? 
Jill |
| Obviously I am up way past my bedtime!
Sorry, Jill. You and Ed have similar avatars, so I was responding to your OES. Good night! |
| Lol. I know, I'm just messing with you. You had me looking to see what Ed said-- I thought it was me being tired that caused me to miss a post from Ed at first! |
| Just trying to bring this thread back to the original questions.
ButtersStotch wrote: We have at least 10 labra and/or golden doodles at the dog park that we frequent and every one of them seems to be a sweet, healthy dog from what I know of them-- with tons of energy I might add! A couple of the people that I've talked to did some serious research before they made the selection of the cross as well as the particular dog that they chose. I admit, one woman really expected a magic dog-- no shedding, well behaved-- essentially a trained dog in a box. Imagine her surprise! But, ultimately, these people really love their dogs but they take a lot of flack for making a decision that they're happy with.
Thanks ButtersStotch for the info. |
| Sorry, didn't mean to hijack. |
| My brother and his family have a golden doodle and they love it. His name is Max and he is a year and a half old. They have had no complaints about him (except the usual puppy complaints of craziness).
I also met a labradoodle while eating at an outdoor bistro about 2 years ago. He was giant and black with somewhat curly hair. Truly a magnificent looking dog. He came from Australia and was shipped to California. He was well behaved and his family was just raving about him. As a person with horrible allergies, I think that the golden doodles or the labradoodles are perfectly fine animals and I encourage their breeding (in a responsible way--which is with any other breeding, as well). If the lab and the poodle chosen are healthy and the breeders have done their research and are invested in providing the best dogs, I don't see why not. As Jill said earlier, all breeds started off in a certain way and were selectively bred to create their current traits. Why not do this with these animals? |
| Butterscotch wrote:
I admit, one woman really expected a magic dog-- no shedding, well behaved-- essentially a trained dog in a box. I want one of those too!! |
| Thanks for the experience responses.
I have only run into a couple of these dogs and they both seemed to be a little timid at times, though they were pretty energetic. Sometimes it is hard to gauge when you look at the crazy ball of fur we have. As I posted earlier, it seems everything you read on the web about the dogs are just what the above woman wanted; the most perfect dog in the world out of the box. |
| I wasn't gonna put my two cents in here, but from the few people I know that have these dogs, they love them. The stud I used for Remy is a breeder of Goldendoodle and labradoodles, if you were to ask her she now favors her goldendoodles more so, they tend to have the curlier coats, and prove be less shedding then the labradoodle.
Not to mention how adorable they are, esp if it has a curlier coat, with finer hair like the poodle. I am not a fan of the straighter coat if it takes after the lab, they don't appeal to me as much. Now from what I've learned is that poodles mature quickly and settle down, and Lab mature slowly at the age of 3...so the expectation is that they will be somewhere in the middle. They are both good family dogs, they are both highly intelligent dogs, they both have genetic problems, they are both a working dog that need a job to do. They are people pleasing dogs. Combining the two, be prepared for being outsmarted, high energy, and big dogs. Just choose a breeder who has done the testing, don't let them use a crutch of hybrid vigor to sell the dog, and don't be taken by high prices....it costs the same to test two pure bred dogs ckc/akc, as it does for non reg dogs. Learn everything about both breeds individually and their genetic issues, make sure they have tested for these things. Try to find a breeder that can prove the history of the parent dogs, ask to see or meet owners of any previous litter so you have an idea what they produced, and if the owners are happy they chose that breeder. |
| I have too say,that as a kid all we had was mutts,and not one of those dogs got sick never ever.As an adult I have had both mutts and pure breds,and for me the mutts have been far the most healthiest.Like Eddie our maltese/yorkie who is 8yrs old he has never been sick a day in his life(knock on wood)and so far my brussels griffon hasnt been sick,however my collie and OES both have VERY senitive tummies and I have too be VERY cautious what i feed them,my 1st collie had allergies beyond the norm,HOWEVER should a mutt cost as much as a pure bred???Heck NO!!Hopefully your paying for a pure bred who has been bred under excellant conditions,and it is scarey too lay down $1,000 bucks for any breed.The most important thing is too check the breeder out,as most of you know all my pets except Mickey have been puppymill rescues,and I love them ALL equally.I think it is NUTS too ask $1,500 for a mix,and its crazy ppl will pay that.I do know ppl who want a Labradoodle and think they are great,but for me if I adopt a mutt no more than 300.00 I will pay,Eddie was 300.00 and it was the best 300.00 i could have shelld out.If ppl want too blow that much money on a pet then let them,it does suck that theres so many puppymillers in the world,and w/ alot of paitence w can shut down puppy millers 1 at a time.The scarey thing is the "typical" puppy miller only deals in pure breeds,so i guess that a whole differnt ball of wax.This was a whole bunch of ramble,but I guess my point is,that ppl are going too adopt what they wan,and if they are smart they will check out the breeder VERY intensly it doesnt matter if its a mutt OR a pure breed,just do some checking please!! Tanyathenurse |
| They're ...like many mixed breeds... are known to have less problems than the purebreed themselves. I've said this a million times on here, but in case you haven't read one of those posts.... Rutland Manor and Tegan Park are the ones who launched the popularity of the breed. They have VERY healthy sound .......and good-looking dogs. Their forum is a great place to ask questions from people who have experience with them. People have a lot of opinions about mixed breeds, but I think before most can judge these... they should know the extent these 2 places have gone to ...to ensure the quality of their line (through their research center). Basically they are as GOOD as you can get and almost all of the quality breeders have dogs that have come from there. I've met several people in the U.S. who have had dogs from here (here being ...both are from Austrailia) since I used to be highly involved in labra/goldendoodle clubs ...also ran a website for a brief time that contained most of the members (from rutland manor)..
For me, no one could convince me of a better mix/breed. Everything about them makes the perfect breed in many ways to me due to their exercise requirements, disposition ...esp. with kids and other animals.. ...not to mention how loving they are, and their health. Now they can't control the backyard breeders who claim their dogs are the same although all they did was take a lab and a poodle and give them the price tag. That's not what Rutland/Tegan did to get the infamous talked about labradoodle. Again, a lot of research (genes, etc) were done first. If this was a breed you or someone you know was looking at.... I can't imagine a better choice!!  |
Joahaeyo wrote: They're ...like many mixed breeds... are known to have less problems than the purebreed themselves. I've said this a million times on here, but in case you haven't read one of those posts.... Rutland Manor and Tegan Park are the ones who launched the popularity of the breed. They have VERY healthy sound .......and good-looking dogs. Their forum is a great place to ask questions from people who have experience with them. People have a lot of opinions about mixed breeds, but I think before most can judge these... they should know the extent these 2 places have gone to ...to ensure the quality of their line (through their research center). Basically they are as GOOD as you can get and almost all of the quality breeders have dogs that have come from there. I've met several people in the U.S. who have had dogs from here (here being ...both are from Austrailia) since I used to be highly involved in labra/goldendoodle clubs ...also ran a website for a brief time that contained most of the members (from rutland manor)..
For me, no one could convince me of a better mix/breed. Everything about them makes the perfect breed in many ways to me due to their exercise requirements, disposition ...esp. with kids and other animals.. ...not to mention how loving they are, and their health. Now they can't control the backyard breeders who claim their dogs are the same although all they did was take a lab and a poodle and give them the price tag. That's not what Rutland/Tegan did to get the infamous talked about labradoodle. Again, a lot of research (genes, etc) were done first. If this was a breed you or someone you know was looking at.... I can't imagine a better choice!! Great stuff. Thanks. I will visit their site. |
| Those are the kind of breeders who should be supported, they lead by example providing excellent influence to new breeders who are on the same path. However, I think that creating new breeds should be left to people like these, and tightly controlled, not allowing just anyone to begin a breeding program. |
| Mutts are dogs of unknown parentage. Intentionally-bred Labradoodles and Goldendoodles are not mutts, they are hybrids, or crossbreeds.
The health effects to which you are referring are commonly called hybrid vigor, but more properly termed heterosis. |
| There is a woman in our office who just happened to have a labrador and a poodle... and heard how much money Labradoodles are bringing and is now breeding them. This makes me ill.
A noted radio personality in Indy recently bought a Labradoodle from an Australian breeder and paid a fortune for it. Now it seems to be a local craze. The difference is that the radio guy did lots of research on them. This isn't the case with the backyard breeder that works in our office. It's all about the money.  |
| I think that the point is..... Everyone should do research into their chosen breeder beofre purchasing a dog. AKC registered dogs can and often are bred in horrible puppy mills. Hybrids are, too. Everyone must take care in selecting a breeder and check references. |
We get quite a few of these "Doodles" in our grooming shop, and they shed like crazy.. contrary to the breeders pushing the theory that they don't shed. We have a lady coming in tomorrow that can't wait to breed her Golden Doodle the next day.. It's a year old.. first heat,, YA great idea.. Its very hyper like every other one that comes in.. just a spaz.. She's breeding this Goldendoodle to a Golden.. Keeps mentioning how she is going to make so much money on the puppies. People can be so stupid.  Now they are rating them F1's ? and so on? What is that.. ?? That is a rating I know thats used on Bengals.. or exotics.. Breeders come up with this crap and the public buys into it.. They are mutts.. plain and simple. Oh, sorry for the general public I guess they are called Designer Breeds.. Just like the Pitt A Poos around here. I have an AKC Standard Poodle and it will never be bred with some "Doodle" I think they are ugly first of all.. They look like Giant Cockapoos.. oh, there you go,, thats another breed you can Start up.. |
| We spent a long time looking for a dog bfore we bought George. We were sure we wanted a labradoodle, however when we started to look into them they are just crackers plain and simple.
To buy a F1 doodle (first breed mix of lab and poodle) you just didn't know what you were going to get, and you pay the same as you would for a pure breed dog 
Their temprements seem to vary massively across the breed and there is no knowing what you are going to get. They are very hip at the moment in the UK which is pushing the price up Overall we just decided no and started to look at other breeds and found little George, a far better decision!! |
| I have a neighbor who has two golden-doodles. One attacked another neighbor's 8 year old daughter truly and completely unprovoked - witnessed with 3 adults within inches and feet of the whole episode. She had 8 puncture wounds on her legs within a total of maybe 15 seconds before the dog was beaten off of her by the adults. The owners said that their dogs don't like children and get very anxious about a lot of things. These too look more "golden" with their stature and build - just lighter and with curly hair, but they act more "poodle" with their temperments.
The owners claim these two were exceptionally well-bred...whatever that means. |
| Trying hard not to get toooo involved in this passionate subject (again)......
I love goldendoodles and labradoodles!  |
| I have had 2 "doodles" in my classes recently.
The 1st is a labradoodle and is actually owned by the parents of one of my daughters' classmates. Tall, black and bouncy pretty well decribes him. So high energy that the 22 yr old daughter had to handle him, as he was too strong. It was supposed to be her mom's dog, but she is tiny and had polio and back fusions. No way she can handle the dog. 
The 2nd one is a goldendoodle and he belongs to a coworker of LeAnne. Big orange and bouncy describes him! very nice dog, but large and strong. Robin is great with him, but he never settles down the whole hour of class. And he is not a puppy - 2-3 yrs old. Both are super friendly - in fact will tackle you to kiss you! |
| I guess when I hear people are interested in Labradoodles or Goldendoodles I am curious as to why they won't consider the Portuguese Waterdog?
From what I have seen and heard I think as far as price is concerned you would be paying relatively the same in some cases. Perhaps it comes down to availability? I have met a few and they seem as intelligent and as "hypo-allergenic" if that's what you want to call it as a any of the doodles. Just curious. |
Quote: I guess when I hear people are interested in Labradoodles or Goldendoodles I am curious as to why they won't consider the Portuguese Waterdog?
That's exactly like saying why not consider a bearded collie instead of a sheepdog. They're not the same. I have no interest in a Portuguese, so I'll go ahead and assume many who choose a labra/goldendoodle don't either.  |
| Good point, Sunny. There were 2 PWD's at the trial I was at last weekend.
They were happy, friendly and well behaved. One was in a lion cut, the other in a curly puppy cut. I saw one of them in the rally ring and it did very well. Listened to it's owner, but still performed with a happy bounce. They had their crates near ours, and I never noticed any undesirable behaviors. |
| My husband would also say (I'm 100%) that he doesn't like the appearance of a port. ....and many people do not want a curly labra/golden doodle. Wavy seems the most popular. |
| Oh, I forgot one....We have a new member in our therapy dog group.
Abby is a labradoodle - or at least she was advertised as such. She was a shelter dog that went through the prison training program in Kansas. She looks like a black lab. Lynn (her owner) clips her, because she has random patches of wavy hair that appear all over her body. Lynn says she looks like a patchwork crazy quilt! Personality wise - she is the only one of the 3 I would want personally to own. She has good energy, but she is very receptive to learning and working with her owner. |
| That's exactly like saying why not consider a bearded collie instead of a sheepdog. They're not the same. I have no interest in a Portuguese, so I'll go ahead and assume many who choose a labra/goldendoodle don't either. [/quote]
That may be true but I would also wonder if they know Porties exist. I personally would consider a Beardie,not becasue they are like OES, but becasue they are hairy...I have an addiction to hairy dogs. I guess that's just me. I tend to be one of those people that looks at all of the possible options out there before I make a decision. I'm not saying that PW are exactly like doodles but why limit yourself to a specific breed of dog when you may not know all there is to know about the other options out there? I can understand that each type of dog has different characteristics that people are drawn to. But that doesn't mean that those dogs are always a good choice for your family so it's good to have a few options to at least consider that's all I was trying to say. In the end finding a dog that's a good fit for your lifestyle and family is the most important, whether you get a doodle mix of some sort or a pure bred dog, so it's sometimes good to keep your options open. After doing some research sometimes you find that what you wanted wasn't really what you wanted. |
| I like the looks and personality of all the "doodles" that I've met....but, the thing that bugs me is how many you come across on petfinders with the notation: "NOT a non shedding dog" It seems like the non shedding quality doesn't always come through in their breeding, and those dogs who turn out to shed wind up in rescue |
| I agree w/ all of the above posts |
| I have a nine month old Golden Doodle. I did consider a PWD. They are much harder to come by.
My goldendoodle has one paw out the door as we speak. When we got her she wouldn't stop jumping up on my boys (7 and 9) and tearing their clothes (and sometimes skin). They enjoyed her so little, they'd do what they could to get away from her. After about $200.00 in clothing expenses, she finally stopped tearing clothes. She still jumps up constantly, despite my continual and firm attempts at training. It is like she has ADHD or something. My mom and dad love her, but can't even take her for a walk. She is in a training class, and we go out and practice every day. She listens well now when there are no distractions, but once another dog or child comes up, she digs in like a plow horse and jumps around like a freaking maniac. In her class there are ten dogs, she is by far the most jumpy of all of them, including one PWD. I try to take her for brisk walks on the leash. She walks, then jumps, then walks, then jumps, then walks, then pulls, then chews on the leash. I have broken her of her bad habit of chewing up the carpet and whatever else she could get ahold of inside, but outside is another story. She grabs our new sod and rips it up, and flails it around in the yard. My potted plants and pansies are getting torn to pieces as well. It is like she is obsessed with things that she can tear up or out. Then we have the other problem.....chronic diarreah because of all of the crap she eats. She eats squirrel poop, sticks, drywall compound, concrete, coke cans, pine cones....you name it. She has had diarreah four times in six months. Last night I took her out six times from eleven P.M. until 2:30 A.M., when I finally gave her two Immodiums out of desperation. So this morning she did the "oh so lovely" butt drag down my hallway and in my bedroom. Needless to say that started my husband on the "I'm going to borrow my friends gun" tyrade he always spouts when the dog makes us nuts. So, if anyone thinks a Golden Doodle is cute.....yep....she sure is.....smart.....yep......loving....yep, that too.....but if anyone thinks that because they are cute that they are going to sleep curled at your feet....you are sadly mistaken. We have a love/HATE relationship with her. I WISH she would just knock it off and be the dog we all want to love. My boys can't even play with her without one of them ending up crying. P.S. - my doodle is shaggy - and she barely sheds at all. I can pull hair out when I use a grooming comb, but the vacuum bag is practically void of hair. We have a friend who had severe dog dander allergies, and was not effected when she visited my home for three hours (dog was in another room). Because doodles are cross-breeds, it is just the luck of the draw when it comes to shedding. |
| WE BOUGHT A GOLDENDOODLE THIS YEAR HE IS NOW 14 WEEKS..WE LOVE HIM HE IS A WONDERFUL DOG. He is sweet and playful and follows us without a leash even at the park..he loves to get in ponds, creeks etc..he goes up to strangers sometimes and then wont come to us when we call him at first..he does come after repeated commands..he seems very smart and really fits in with our family..sometimes he plays a little aggressively and nips at the kids pants legs but we regard this as puppy behavior We see no problems with him at all..  |
| Molly's Mom,
We have an OES that does alot of the similar things you described when she gets bored. I dont think that is the "breed" personality you are describing, I think that is a puppy! Good Luck, it can be frustrating |
| Hi,
I have to defend the PWD. My parents have had PWD's for almost 30 years. They are great. Non-shedding, exuberant and a nice size. My parent's first PWD, Nifty, lived until she was 18. My parent's current PWD, Annie, is a great playmate for our two OES (she is one of the few dogs that can keep up with their crazy play!!) My Mom has also run Annie in agility and done pretty well with her. My parent's have always gotten their dogs from reputable breeders and have never had any health or temperment problems with the breed (I wish I could say the same about temperment for my two resuce OES). I have nothing but good things to say about the breed. Kathie |
| Here's a link to the Australian Labradoodle Club's website:
http://www.laa.org.au/index.htm It's a shame they called this developing breed a Labradoodle. There'd be alot less confusion (and exploitation of a breed being developed for a sound purpose) had they called it something like an Australian Service Dog or Australian Guide Dog. It's an interesting site. |
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