Yorkies and OES
I've been wanting another mini. schnauzer for a while, but my husband says they're too big. He's wanting a Min. Pinscher, but I don't really want one of those. Since he got the Xbox 360 for Christmas and I didn't get anything, I'm taking advantage of that and asking for a Yorkie (since he still says no to a mini schnauzer), lol I've loved them since the first time I saw one walk in the grooming shop. I've got a breeder referral in MS from the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, but I haven't called her just yet. I want to make sure we're 100% certain of a Yorkie before I do. Since Jake (my oldest) starts school this year and my husband has NO leave at work from being deployed so long, I think this would be a great time for another puppy. We'll be home all the time to housebreak it and no trips are planned anytime in the near or far future (right now anyway). With Jake being in school, our travelling is going to pretty much come down to a Christmas trip to visit the ILs. They'll have to start visiting our house some (haven't been here in about 2.5 years).  We're also going to be putting hardwood flooring in most of the house during the next few months, so I'd rather housebreak before the new flooring gets in, lol
Bascially I was just curious if anyone had ever owned one? I know they're a little yappy and kinda high maintenance also with their long hair (although that'll be NOTHING compared to Jasper's grooming, lol). The ones I've seen have had great personalities. My kids (3 and 4.5 now) are really good with animals, don't squeeze, hurt, etc.. them so I don't think we'll have any trouble with a smaller sized puppy. Are there any other disadvantages to them though? Thanks in advance! Hopefully, I'll be sharing some pics in a few weeks/months if she has any puppies or is expecting any soon and they're not claimed already. |
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| I would only be concerned about the fact that such a tiny dog is so delicate. Since you are home though, and your kids are good with animals it is maybe slightly less of a concern, but I still wouldn't let it out of your site for a minute. |
| I sure hope your OES can defend himself lols! Sounds like a perfect match to me.
Zach |
| I heard they are quite delicate bone structure wise...any slight accident, fall, squish...can be death to them.
Also the only one that I had a chance to know was at obedience class, it did NOT do well in class. They had a terrible time training, gave up and quit the class. Aside from that they are adorable, with bows, and stuff...cute arm candy and can make a great companion for you...but not likely to the kids. If your breeder, has bigger ones, such as a 15lbs....they'd be able to handle things better than a smaller 5-8 lb one. Train them to use a litter box too, that might help with house breaking. |
| i agree my SIL has one and einy loves him but hes really fast and really clever i'd always put money on teddy to beat einy lol
you don't have to get a tiny yorkie my SIL one is a large on about 6-8 KG 13 - 18 Lb that size might be better than the 8-10lb ones just a tought i found that the yorkie is not as good with the baby (7 months) as einy but thats because he doesn't live here we only look after him when SIL goes on holiday also they need a lot more grooming that oes even though they are much smaller i find that the yorkie smells doggy and damp much quicker than oes he can go to the groomers and just a week later is in need of bath (but that could just be our one lol) however einy smells great for a least to week and only starting to smell slightly when he goes to the groomers again every 4-6 weeks my SIL has not taken hers to training and he is not well behaved hes 18months and not completely house trained (had him since 8 weeks old) and he does not sit etc just letting you know my experiances but then i'm a big dog person other than that they are lovely natured animals and very giving with their love my hubby had one from when he was 6 years old untill 22 when his yorkie passed away at 16 and a half yeares old they live a long time and will grow up with your kids and will probale still be around when they go to collage zoe and einy |
I'm just wondering if they are like other terrier breeds, quite snappy, as a lot of terrier breeds were bred for ratting.  My friend had a Yorkie and it's temprement was not great, snappy and very much a one owner dog, did not bond with the family. I don't know much about the breed just a few thoughts on the subject |
| we had a yorkie as a kid - horrible little dog she hated everyone! That was only our experience but I think as a breed they are a little high strung and wouldn't be a real kid's dog. |
| Hi
I have groomed many a Yorkie and I would not recommend them for children. Most are better suited for Adults. If you want a smaller dog I would do some more searching. Barbara |
| I've never owned one but Clyde's favorite buddy at the dog park is a Westie-- he plays like a big dog but he's only about 15 pounds! He's a tough little guy with lots of energy and a lot of fun. He's such a sweetie that I've actually considered one as a playmate for Clyde in the future. I'm thinking since they're so small, I might be able to get past the "2 dogs only" rule! |
| What about a coton de tulear? They are little but not tiny, a little more sturdy, and I have heard their temperments are similar ot an oes. |
| I've never met a small dog that wasn't yappy (sorry little dog people!) and I had a shi tzu bite me on the bum when I was a kid. They seem more aggressive than big dogs (little dog syndrome , maybe?). My friend, though, has a havanese that she loves. They are like a little bit bigger version of little dogs. Also, what about a cocker spaniel, or a beagle? Or, shelties are cute and not too big... |
barney1 wrote: (little dog syndrome
, maybe?).The Napolean complex!  |
barney1 wrote: Or, shelties are cute and not too big...
Every sheltie I've ever known has been very sweet and great with kids. That would be a cute combo - a sheltie and a sheepie! |
| Shelties are great with kids and OES. They go together great.
Cavalier King Charles spaniels are wonderful family dogs too, nature is fantastic with kids and other dogs. Stacey I am intrigued, never heard of a "coton de tulear". Or Barney 1 a "havanese" we must live a secluded life down here LOL |
lisaoes wrote: Stacey I am intrigued, never heard of a "coton de tulear". Or Barney 1 a "havanese" we must live a secluded life down here LOL
Have you ever heard of a Chacy Ranior, they used to be called Shichon? It's supposedly a mix of Maltese, Bichon Frise, Shih-Tzu, Yorkshire Terrier, Lhasa Apso, Miniature Schnauzer, Poodle, and the Havanese, that were bred specifically for special needs children. I looked into getting one for Aisling a while back, because of her autism. But she seems to prefer bigger more robust dogs. |
Willowsprite wrote: What about a coton de tulear? They are little but not tiny, a little more sturdy, and I have heard their temperments are similar ot an oes.
They're adorable-- kind of Mini me version of a sheepie! They matt too and need a bit of grooming though--nothing compared to the OES but maybe something to think about if you're looking for less maintenance. |
| The coton de tuler and the havenses are cousins of the bichon. All are nice, family dogs. I have met some in training class, if they come from a good breeder they are great!
As for shelties and OES's, ask my Amy girl how she likes being chased and body-slammed by Bosley. They are way different breeds. Shelties are polite, quick and very serious. OES's are...not that! And shelties are known to be nippy with kids, so that needs to be managed. And they are barky, and well, I have 2 of them and I would only recommend a sheltie with older kids. Because of their small size younger kids tend to treat them like toys and they will react with a nip to rough handling. |
| Are they a specific registered breed of dog? Not that I care just interested, have you got a picture of one or the other to share?
"Have you ever heard of a Chacy Ranior, they used to be called Shichon? It's supposedly a mix of Maltese, Bichon Frise, Shih-Tzu, Yorkshire Terrier, Lhasa Apso, Miniature Schnauzer, Poodle, and the Havanese" No Deograine that is a newy to me also. Sounds interesting too. |
| I don't think there is an official registration for them, but I could be mistaken. This is the website of the person who developed them. http://www.shichon.com/about.htm If what she says on the site it true, then I think she is trying to do a very good thing. Autistic children seem to enjoy a bond with animals that they do not easily develop with other people. I have found that animals, of any kind, are very calming for Aisling. We have been fortunate that as Aisling has gotten older, she has moved more towards the Auspergers end of the Autism spectrum so she has developed socially. Some of these children spend their whole life mentally and emotionally isolated, so it is nice that someone is trying to develop a companion pet with their needs in mind. Ais thinks Barkley is the Bomb! |
| Here's a website that has picture of the havanese and some background info...
http://www.havanese-dogs.com/havanese-pictures.htm |
| Wow thanks for that, both look like wonderful breeds. What great work they are doing with the shcihon breed deograine.
Have to say though the Havanese do definately look like mini OES amazing!! lisaoes |
| We had a 4 month old cross yorkie staying for a couple of months foster care why she was waiting for a new home .Mitch loved her and they chased each other all over the house.She even slept in his bed with him at night.
Iv'e up loaded some photos so you can take a look at them. |
| Thanks everyone. We're still talking about it, so who knows... We'll probably get another dog in the near future, but I have no clue what kind yet. Maybe we'll just go to the pound and adopt a puppy that needs a loving home. |
Now that's a happy thought!
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| Little dogs are DEFINATELY yappie (sorry Ty I love you but truth is truth!!). Can't think of any breed with a more delicate bone structure than a maltese, I think a yorkie may be about equal. I NEVER leave Ty and Tasker alone together and Tasker is about the most laid back dog I know but accidents happen. You just have to be careful. |
| What about a corgi? I saw one on tv the other day and it is cute, small yet sturdy... |
barney1 wrote: What about a corgi? I saw one on tv the other day and it is cute, small yet sturdy...
We've been talking about a sheltie, we'll see. |
| I love shelties |
| How about Tibetan Terriers? If trained properly, they can be great pets. My Mom and I didn't train ours well so she became a the Tibetan Terror. They are very smart and you can almost see them processing information in their eyes. I used to call Pandy, "Monkey Eyes", but she is now blind at age 12.
Tibetans are about 20-35 pounds and have a sturdy cute build. They have long beautiful hair whch can be of different colors. Pandy has always loved to spend time and play with other dogs. |
Quote: We've been talking about a sheltie, we'll see
I have 2 shelties , plus I do sheltie rescue. In the past 2 years I must have fostered about 30 shelties, transported and assessed another 30. If I count all my friend's shelties they add up to around 35, so all in all I am quite familiar with the breed. Good points: very easy to train, loyal, clingy, nice size, generally good with dogs/cats, polite with dogs and people. I used mine as demo dogs in my training classes and everyone wanted their dog to be just like mine. They make it look so easy. Bad points: barky, can be skittish and bolt easy, often fearful, nippy with kids unless raised with polite ones, sound-senstive, and shed like CRAZY. If they don't have a job they will find one, like squirrel patrol, chasing cars/bikes/anything motorised. Mine hate Bosley because he is too in-your-face and rude, by a dog's standards, and refuse to play with him. |
Annie's Mom wrote: How about Tibetan Terriers? If trained properly, they can be great pets. My Mom and I didn't train ours well so she became a the Tibetan Terror. They are very smart and you can almost see them processing information in their eyes. I used to call Pandy, "Monkey Eyes", but she is now blind at age 12.
Tibetans are about 20-35 pounds and have a sturdy cute build. They have long beautiful hair whch can be of different colors. Pandy has always loved to spend time and play with other dogs. I'm not sure we'd ever be able to find one around here, lol We're still looking at the pound too - we visited there the other day but all they had were puppies that were going to be huge. If I get a larger dog, I'm wanting a Golden Retriever, but we're trying to stay 20 pounds or less. My youngest son said he wanted a dog like Sassy (inlaws Jack Russell) so that's being considered too. We're really just looking and weighing our options right now. Hmm..so shelties are nippy with kids? Is it like OES? I know Jasper was pretty nippy as a puppy. I had a collie growing up, and she was just a wonderful dog. We got her from the pound, and she housebroke in 4 days and learned basic commands really fast too. I figured shelties would be like mini-collies. My only problem with them is the shedding, but that's not a huge worry of mine. The smaller breeds we had growing up are being tossed up too - let's see...miniature poodles, lhasa apso, of course a schnauzer (That would be my pick today if I could get any breed I wanted...I really want another black & silver schnauzer), daschunds, and cocker spaniels. I know both of us have had great experiences with pets, so I'm sure any of those breeds will do fine. Honestly, I think any breed would be okay. Since I stay home, I have a lot of time to work with puppies. Kinda like Jasper - he bit my son on the face and Brandon still has a scar. That's the only time I've ever regretted getting Jasper, but now, I wouldn't trade him for the world. I still don't leave him alone with the kids (I didn't then), but he is doing really good around him. The kids aren't his favorite people, but he tolerates them very well. Our kiddos love him too, but they have asked for a smaller puppy they can play with more. Jasper was "our" (my and hubbys) dog to start with, so I think the kids do need a pet of their own - besides the cat anyway. At the rate we're going, it'll be a year or two before we even pick out a breed anyway, lol |
Quote: Hmm..so shelties are nippy with kids? Is it like OES? If raised with kids they will be more tolerant, but they also have the need to "teach manners", so can nip if handled too roughly. They also have a herding instinct like crazy. even when just walking in my backyard one of my girls still attacks my pantlegs and anlles. And htey are very quick, so do a great nip and run, often in play. Quote: I had a collie growing up, and she was just a wonderful dog. We got her from the pound, and she housebroke in 4 days and learned basic commands really fast too. I figured shelties would be like mini-collies. 2 enirely different breeds, collies being laid-back and friendly, and shelties being hyper and cautious with strangers. Quote: My only problem with them is the shedding, but that's not a huge worry of mine.
Do not underestimate the shedding. In the summer time I groom them outside, and every 10 days or so I can get a small grocery bag full of fur. And it is always on my clothes, so there are some materials I never buy because of it. |
| Lets see I have an OES and a maltese/yorkie and he is very delicate physically!!LOL!!but mentally!!WOHOOO!!!!!!The 2 get along very well,Eddie is of course the boss and my OES is the goofy "which way did he go?"kind of guy!!LOL!! I also have a collie and a Brussels griffon(toy size that is plump!!LOL!)and all 4boyz get along great.I ahvent had any issues w/ the bigger dogs picking on the smaller ones or vice a versa.They do play and some times rough but the big boyz seem too know too be careful,while at the same time the smaller ones know how too run circles around the bigger ones!!LOL!! So from my experience it works out just great. |
barney1 wrote: I've never met a small dog that wasn't yappy (sorry little dog people!) and I had a shi tzu bite me on the bum when I was a kid. They seem more aggressive than big dogs (little dog syndrome :wink: , maybe?). My friend, though, has a havanese that she loves. They are like a little bit bigger version of little dogs. Also, what about a cocker spaniel, or a beagle? Or, shelties are cute and not too big...
I agree. I have had alot of experiance with many a breed. I personally feel that Yorkies are not for children. They do have little dog syndrome. Every small dog does. It has nothing to do with anything other than, well..... get down on the floor to their level (like you would, if you were trying to baby proof your house) lay on the floor and look everything that they would see. The world looks kind of scary. Now look at a OES "clowning around" or children and comming towards you quickly, now think like a dog....defend myself....bite! Little dogs do not mean to be the way that they are, they are just trying to survive. I have heard, believe it or not Cocker Spaniel's are the no. 1 breed for biting. They can be awfully sweet but they are biters. Beagles and Shelties....awesome picks! They are great with kids! Beagles have alot of energy (to keep up with the kids) and are sweet natured. Shelties are full of life as pups, but mello out alot sooner than the beagle. Westies and Scotties are also, good choices, so are Lasha Apso. These breeds are bigger than a Yorkie, but, they are kid friendly (I know your kids are animal friendly, but you never know about their friends, now or in the future), if you had to go with any of these breeds, you might as well get a Mini Schnauzer, who I personally think is an awsome pick. I also agree with the other members, if you are set on getting a Yorkie, definantly go with the larger rather than a mini/teacup! I know it is hard to pick a breed when you have other animals and kids and a husband that has another opinion :-) , I have a "funny farm" with a 3.5 year old and a 8 month old but, you will figure it out, go with your gut! All breeds have exceptions!!! Good Luck To You! |
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