OES personal trainers??
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| Has anyone ever heard of or used the "Better Dog Training" group in Sacramento? Their website seems amazing but are they really capable of doing all that in such a sort amount of time?
http://www.doganswers.com/ |
| Have you tried putting her on a low protien diet?
There have been some studies that suggest lower protien can help some behaviour and hyperactivity issues in dogs. I tried it with my first oes who was insane, and it seemed to help somewhat. |
| Which brand does that in puppy food? I haven't seen any. Which one did you use cause that sounds like its worth a try. |
| Just use adult food-- that has similar nutrients but lower protein. |
| This place scares me. Any trainer that does not use treats to motivate the dog does not understand operant conditioning. They use punishment. Not good for the dog. Look for a trainer that uses everything that this place is against and you will have a much better relationship with your pooch. |
| The first time I saw this thread I thought it was about fitness trainers as in at a gym. It made me laugh until I realized that it wasn't the case! |
| Well, we are going to try it and see what happens. The way it goes is that they come out to your house and the first lesson is several hours. they watch you and your dog and adress behavioral issues like barking, chewing, pottytraining, etc.. then they teach us how to interact with the dog as in our posture, our tone of voice, blah blah blah.... Im hoping this will work because its costing us $600 but if it does it was all worth it. Right now I am just lost as to what else to do with her and I dont want to get her a bark collar because I have seen way too many cases of those poor dogs with those collars in the humane society and have seen them go off at even a whimper. This guy doesnt use leashes apparently or collars so that will be interesting to see. Also, after the first lesson, if it doesnt seem to work then we can cancel it and dont have to sign the contract. The company is part of APDT so that is reassuring to me although I will have to see how he interacts with Lily himself. I will let you guys know how it is going once we get started in a few weeks. Im looking forward to trying it and seeing what happens. |
| So we have started training with this guy. He is a really nice guy and very good at his job. We have gotten Lily to be able to sit and down inside 95% of the time we ask her without having used treats just our voices. We are almost completely compliant in the parking garage and then we move on to bigger areas. We are also working on heel. In the apartment complex she does really well but not out on our walks just yet. When no one else is around she behaves on the walks but otherwise it is a nightmare. We haven't started training there with the trainer yet so its not a big surprise to me. We have also been about to make her bark less often which is a big relief to both us and the neighbors and we can gain control of her most of the time when she does act up by just making her lay down. We use both voice and hand signlas at the same time so that when we go ahead to the offleash part of the program she can see what we want her to do from far away, but thats still a ways off. She odes listen to just the hand signals without the voice though so that is prgress. Given we have only had one lesson with this guy, I would say we have come a good way. When she does something wrong we are to give a small tug on her leash and a stern NO comes with that. If she doesnt listen then we up the tug a tiny bit. We have only had to upgrade a few times but so far so good. She also doesnt jump on people anymore, get on the couches or go through doorways without our approval. I would say so far I am pleased with what we have done and learned. On our next lesson we are planning to work on heel a bit more and start with stay and come. Ill let you all know how it goes from here. The next lesson wont be for another week or so though. We still have a lot to work on but I do like this guys methods. And if she turns out as good as he says she will then Im all for spending the cash on her. |
| Just curious. How does she learn what your words and the hand signals mean? And once she does learn, how is she being motivated to do what you ask of her? |
You do realize you're spending money on the trainer to train YOU, right?  |
| Just looked at your pics and Lily is adorable. How old is she? I am wondering the best time to start training my Saffron (3 months). I saw this site to order an ebook for training but not sure if appropriate yet or should get a human trainer although I have to find one that speaks English..lol.
http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/ebooks/order.html Good luck and please keep posting your progress. Aurelie |
| Training a dog without treats? Yes, believe me it can be done, and without force or any negative coercion. I didn't believe it either, until I began going down the road with my present trainer. Dogs communicate through body language, vocal intonation, by sense of touch, and finally through scent. The keys to successful training are correct timing, consistenccy and motivation (positive by encouraging proper behavior (high pitched "good dog" or negative by correction (such as a displeasant "ah, ah"). With proper timing and consistency, the results are better than treats and are not habit forming or addictive. Once the dog learns a proper behavior, treats can then be introduced to further reinforce on occasion.
After our first session, I was able to walk both dogs together at my side with their leashes hung over my shoulders - no pulling, and no treats. Recently we needed to introduce Maggie to the crate, so we can travel with the dogs to obedience trials. She refused to go into a crate, you could put a steak in there and she wouldn't go in. Within 10 minutes, Pat (trainer) had her going into the crate, staying there with the door open; no treats involved. And yes, as Ron said - be sure the trainer is training you, not the dog. To be effective in your practices between sessions, you are the one that must catch the proper or improper behavior when it first starts and respond with the proper motivation; the quicker your response the more effective it is. Be sure you repeat the exercises with the trainer present so he can correct you if you are not picking up on his methods precisely. Results: within 8 weeks, both dogs passed their Canine Good Citizen tests, and are now about ready to go to their first novice Companian Dog trials in the spring. |
| Motivation is key. For some dogs it is toys, and palytime, for others it is food. Treats are used most often, as most dogs are interested in food, and usually works in all cases, without even knowing the dog at all.
I don't believe that a high-pitched "good dog" is a motivation, though. Why would a dog do something that is asked, just ot hear a funny sound coming from its human? Usually the voice is an indicator, but not a motivator. Like a high-pitch "good dog" may mean "you get a treat or you get to play ball" or "you will not get hurt this time". A dog will do what is rewarding....or what will prevent it from getting hurt. He is always looking out for himself. |
| thats exactly how it works. Thank you George for such a great explanation. I couldnt have said it any better. Lily is doing great so far and all based on voice intonation. I always give her a treat though when our training session is over but during training its all about the high pitched "good dog, what a good puppy" and lots of rubs and pettings. I really do like this training so far because I dont have to carry bags of treats around with me which isnt all that convenient for me and she listens when I dont have treats whereas before in puppy class, she would only do something when I had a treat in my hand. She knew sit and down mostly so that was easily trained but with the heel work we had to start from scratch using misdirections first and then when she got that we moved on to the dead stops everytime shhe passed me. we are still at that stage but its going fairly well. Everyone who sees us training is like but she is so young so its ok for her to not get it yet and misbahave and stuff. And I just have to tell them she is now 5 months old. she should have this stuff down pretty much so we are a little behind but its ok. Im glad someone else has done this training as well and got the same great results as they told me to expect. We will see how the rest of it goes. |
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