EBAY: Wanting to start Selling Dogs
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa? ... 1000164235 The FLOOD GATES are already open ...This would burst all of the dams!!!!!!! Kaye Second Chance OES Rescue |
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as bothersome as it is to think of live animals as money makers, it is a business for many people on this site and it would be almost hipocritical of many of us to jump out there and say it's wrong. the site would not offer the ability to buy them on eBay, so really it's just about the listings. i say if there is a way that non-profit shelters can get the word out faster that animals need homes than we should not only allow but encourage it.
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| Ed, Ya know I do appreciate you at least not being Hypercritucal in you stating your opinion.... It is a business and most breeders won't admit that....I just want Breeders to be responsible and do what they know they are supposed to do...For someone to step up to the plate and admit that is Very Unusual..... So if I am understanding you correctly........Listing a Baby on EBAY would be no different then listing on Puppyfind, Puppydog Web or any other of the websites that puppies are listed for sale........ And, Since EBAY would also offer rescue organizations the right to list their Babies they have for adoption.......It equals out?????? Geez I guess Rescue Better Gear Up and Work Harder to GO IN THE HOLE MORE........Selling Live Animals on EBAY was just kind of like the line in the sand........Kaye, Second Chance OES Rescue |
| I don't agree with what Ebay is trying to do here. I have posted my response to them. A reputable breeder or even well intentioned people who breed on their own, have plenty of resources at their disposal to find homes for their animals. If they are unable to find enough homes, I think they need to reevaluate that their supply doesn't meet the demand and they need to stop breeding.
I feel very strongly about this and I hope not to offend anyone...just voicing my opinion. |
| They're not offering to "sell" live animals on ebay, only advertise them. In that sense it is no different than puppyfind, except ebay has a HUGE market, which makes it that much scarier.
I don't agree with it, but I do think they should allow rescues and shelters to list. It gives rescues and shelters a much broader audience to home pets. It won't be reputable breeders listing on ebay. It will only create and open up a larger market for mills, brokers, and so called breeders, who are only doing it for money. IMO |
| I do agree that providing shelters & rescue the opportunity is a good idea. However, since Ebay has such a huge audience the idea of selling or referring people to pups via Ebay is very worrisome to me. |
| The scary part is that eBay is know for selling CHEAP. You log on ebay to get something cheap or something that has been discontinued. Nobody will want to buy a $1,000 Purebreed OES on ebay, but it gives the chance for all those $200 pups to be offered by backyard breeders and puppy mills, wich will open the gate to more people thinking it to be a profitable business.
Like ti was mentioned before, reputable breeders already have excellent channels to market their litters and do not need the huge exposure the eBay will give them. This looks more for something like a quick way to get rid of puppies fast or make a quick buck. On the other hand, it is true that it will allow rescue organizations to offer dogs for sale, but given the cost of posting an auction for a $150 dog, it may be very unlikely that it will happen as often as we wished for rescues, who are always struggling for money. Another thing that needs to be considered is that given the HUGE amount of acutions going on at any given time, it will be extremely difficult to regulate the posting of smuggled or endangered species, and since eBay is not really selling them, they couldn't care less about it if the animal sells before they catch the auction. If you have an ebay account, please take your time to express your opinion on the forum, I know I'm voting a huge NO on that proposition. |
| there are irresponsible breeders out there and breeders who sell dogs without checking them for illnesses or checking the owners for neglect even now. eBay will help the dogs that need some homes find them, and in the mean time i think that is enough. bad things happen everywhere, and maybe this just means the people out there selling sick dogs will be caught sooner thanks to the ebay feedback system.
i dunno, i'm neither for nor against selling, but for adopting, it seems genius. |
| Pretend I am looking for a young OES , and I log onto Ebay. There at my fingertips I find a $200 OES puppy or mix that I can get no questions asked, or a $200 young rescue OES where I have to jump through hoops to get, like vet references, home inspection, and yes, the dog has HP. Which am I going to choose? This would be a very sad things for rescues indeed. |
Anonymous wrote: Pretend I am looking for a young OES , and I log onto Ebay. There at my fingertips I find a $200 OES puppy or mix that I can get no questions asked, or a $200 young rescue OES where I have to jump through hoops to get, like vet references, home inspection, and yes, the dog has HP. Which am I going to choose? This would be a very sad things for rescues indeed.
Exactly - the average buyer takes the puppy, not realizing that the mother and father have not been tested for hips and eyes, and that the puppies have been raised in conditions that may have exposed them to a variety of illnesses. So now you have a $200 puppy with no shots, kennel cough, and hip dysplasia. You complain to eBay about the seller. The seller receives so many complaints that eBay bans them. So the seller opens a new eBay account under another name... and starts all over. That's why I've sent in my feedback that eBay shouldn't get into this market, for what it's worth. And then the owner decides this sick puppy is too much work and turns it in to a rescue. Now the score is: Seller: + $200 less eBay listing price eBay: + listing price Buyer: - $200 Rescue: + one more dog to heal, care for and place Makes you want to just scream... |
| Kaye I joined ebay today just to give them my thoughts on there . Had to say I was not in favor of them selling pets, I even went a little further.
Whats next Babies on ebay!  |
| it's somewhat naive to think this isn't going on, and that i couldn't have gotten Jack from anywhere else for less than the price i paid. smart people make smart decisions, if you don't support it, don't buy one. but i think this will help shelters more than it will hurt rescues.
besides, if it isn't a sale option, just a listing: 1: you won't be exposing the whole nation to one bad breeder in NY, 2: people won't drive 8 hours for a mutt 3: it let's folks like me who want to find a dog but can't find a good shelter find one. 4: it may offer an opportunity to find dogs easier. it's silly to get so enraged by it. it's no worse than the newspaper guys. i know someone who would neglect a dog wouldn't travel over 20 minutes to go get it. and you can find listings that local in the paper, where they don't necessarily do vet checks or care if you are not able to take care of the dog. |
| I think that the problem is not being smart, but being informed. The average buyer (Including me 3 years ago) is willing to get the best looking puppy for the best price and does not know that there are dangers in backyard breeding. I'll bet that most people are not aware that there is a gazillion tests that need to be passed before you should allow to breed your dogs.
Average Joe just wants a cute puppy, does not care (or knows he should know) if the parents have good genes, genetic desease, etc. Only when we are informed about a breed we are ready to commit to an informed buy and are ready to pay $600+ for a dog. I can asure you that 99.99% of the people who could buy a pup on eBay will buy the cheapest deal they can get, regardless of family history. We care and value these things because we took the time to research, but most people just want a cute pup as a pet or christmas gift for their children. You can imagine the faces of the people I meet when they ask me if I can get them a dog like Lennon or Sofa and tell them they cost $1000 or more. They are outraged because of the price, specially when the lady in the paper is selling them $200 each and they look just like the same, and that is the danger there with these people, you never know what you are going to get. Last time I checked, there were 55 pages of negative comments on eBay about that idea. People is responding with anger to that suggestion. That makes me happy. If you have an eBay account, post your opinon there! The more feedback they get about this being a bad idea, the less reason they have to go ahead and do it. |
| i could buy a mutt with hip displacia in 2 days or less, without using the internet even. and i bet i could buy it without references and the like. now if i could do that, why is it such a big deal for there to be an option for them to list it on ebay? |
| My response to eBay was by email, as well as an identical post on their open forum. I wrote the following: Quote: Dear Lori, I'm sure you will receive many emails about why you shouldn't -or should- start a live-animals listing section, I'll make my positions brief. I am a former director of a 501(c)(3) rescue operation, and an occasional eBay customer. Personally, I am completely against eBay getting into the classifieds business for live animals. However as an eBay customer, I think you will be associating eBay with the worst elements in the pet industry, and you will bring down upon eBay the wrath of a VERY vocal and fairly well organized special interest group. I for one would not want to be associated in any way with an outfit, even eBay, if you get into this line of business. I am neutral on the links to non-profits, but I think you open yourself up to huge amounts of headaches in this area. Most of the organizations that do this work are not 501(c)(3), only the largest and best funded are. Many organizations pretend to be acting as rescues, and list themselves as rescues on sites such as petfinders, but they are in reality buying pets from brokers. I know of one organization that vociferously defends itself as a rescue: It buys dogs direct from brokers that are unwanted due to birth defects, and resells them to the general public. Good luck in your decisions. Their response, probably the same to everyone: Quote: Thanks for getting in touch with me to share your views regarding new services we’re considering to bring sellers and buyers of pets together. It’s clear that our members see a strong distinction between pet adoption (e.g., the kind offered by responsible local shelters and advocated by leading animal welfare organizations) and selling pets for profit, which unfortunately can be associated with behavior that’s inhumane and/or illegal. I want you to know that we at eBay.com understand and agree with this distinction. Based on responses from members like you – including many animal welfare professionals -- we’re going to exclude commercial breeders and for-profit sale of pets from further consideration. Instead, we’ll focus the discussion on listings of available rescue animals from vetted local shelters to support responsible pet adoption. It’s clear that we need to proceed very carefully. As our plans take shape, we’ll again ask for input from our community. In the meantime, thanks for sharing your views with us. Sincerely, Lori |
| it's silly to get so enraged by it. it's no worse than the newspaper guys.
i know someone who would neglect a dog wouldn't travel over 20 minutes to go get it. and you can find listings that local in the paper, where they don't necessarily do vet checks or care if you are not able to take care of the dog. Ed, I think the main problem with this world that we are living in is that people won't get involved .....We live in our own little bubbles....... So unless it directly affects us we don't care.....We say " That is terrible but I'm sure someone else will take care of it" But, ya know sometimes even though it feels like you are spitting in the wind......You have to take a stand... Indifference is probally the worst!!!!!!!!!! All the things you have said are true......But, does it make it right?????? Kaye, Second Chance OES Rescue |
Ed wrote: i know someone who would neglect a dog wouldn't travel over 20 minutes to go get it
That's the part that always amazes me - you would think that someone who made a huge effort and/or paid a large sum of money to get a purebred dog would never abuse or abandon it. Unfortunately, the number of purebred dogs in rescues proves that people do invest a lot of time and money in a dog, then change their minds. |
| In *most* cases though, the dogs in rescue are not from reputable breeders, or bad owners. |
| i support the decision for the implications on adoption of dogs.
i am NOT however, posting my stance there, since i understand your viewpoint... eBay is gonna do what eBay wants. the question is, will you stand, vehemently opposed to something that may actually help adoption agencies place dogs, or will you offer advice on how to improve the idea. -- now i never posted in that thread saying "sounds like a good idea" but i emailed the chair of the pet section on ebay mentioning what fears you all had and that it would be best to only allow adoption listings and that there were plenty of uncared for dogs out there. i got a response from her to the tune of "that is something we have been considering." --don't confuse a lack of visible action with indecision or indifference. |
| Here's the latest-
EBay Scraps Plans to Offer Live Pets http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_ ... /ebay_pets |
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| there ya go. |
I'm glad they actually took the opinions into consideration and made a responsible choice. Yea, for Ebay. I'll keep shopping! |
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