Puppy born with unusual fur color
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| Freaky. But really cool name!!! |
| Do the vets really think that's caused by placental fluid... That looks like a pretty even color distribution for it to be a stain. It'd be interesting to see if he stays that color. I think I remember reading about a green kitten once, can't remember where I saw that though...
Karen  |
 Perfect name! |
Cool  Green Dog! |
Iriskmj wrote: Do the vets really think that's caused by placental fluid... That looks like a pretty even color distribution for it to be a stain. It'd be interesting to see if he stays that color. I think I remember reading about a green kitten once, can't remember where I saw that though...
Karen It makes sense for it to be a stain from amniotic fluid. They are of course floating in it until birth in individual sacs. The ph level of the fluid in that particular puppy's sac was probably different. That puppy also could have been concieved earlier or later than the other pups. |
Quote: It makes sense for it to be a stain from amniotic fluid.
I agree. The green will probably go away as the hair grows longer. The thing I noticed was the whelping box. Anyone raising puppies should invest in a whelping box with the board attached to the walls for the puppies to get under, prevents smashed pups. (Don't remember the technical name) |
awwww that little green pup had me tickled pink! 
Marianne and the boys |
| I just noticed the article states the placenta is green. The placenta is not green! What the heck are they talking about? That's no vet who stated that... lol.....
And it's not a whelping box, just carboard thrown outside on a sidewalk by the looks of it.... |
| Oooh!!! Amniotic fluid! That makes soooo much more sense! I though they were talking about a stain from rubbing up against the placenta, that made no sense to me whatsoever, #1 cause like you said it isn't green, #2 if they puppy just rubbed up against something they'd have a big blotch, not a staining of the whole coat. Now I get it!
Karen  |
| There is a greenish fluid that does accompany the placenta out in a normal delivery. |
| Amniotic fluid should not be green in most cases. It is normally clear, sometimes clear yellowish tinged, or sometimes greenish tinged, but in 20 years I have only seen green fluid twice, one puppy, one kitten. The puppy was still born, the kitten died immediately after birth. |
| I see it almost every day at work. A greenish-black discharge is normal and comes from the area where the placenta attaches to the uterus. It is not amniotic fluid. |
| Would it not only be animals having trouble giving birth who are brought to your clinic? |
| Nope! We see top breeders that only do c-sections on their dogs, normal births that don't need help, as well as emergencys.
As before I said the discharge should follow the puppy. Maybe you are talking about seeing bright green discharge before birthing starts. Yes ....then you would have problems |
| By the way, I do realize many people state it is normal to see a greenish discharge, but like I said, in 20 years I've only seen it twice, and I watch them all like a hawk.
Green discharge before the birth of a pup is not good because it means early seperation of one or more placentas. It is sometimes seen after. |
| Wow, I wouldn't consider it a top breeder to do routine c sections. If a dog needs a c section in my opinion it shouldn't ever be bred again. Depends on the reason of course, but an inability to birth naturally is not something you want to breed into a line.
C sections are painful, recovery is long and painful, and there is so much more risk to the mom and especially the pups who usually do not handle anesthetic well. |
| That's what I just said.
I think owner don't always see the discharge because healthy mothers clean their pups quickly. |
| Actually c-sections are quite normal. Breeders of small dogs or even English bulldogs do them all the time. |
| That's not normal, that's because the breed standard has been changed to the point that a bulldog is nothing but a list of deformities. They cannot delivery naturally because their hips are so narrow to create a "look" It's disgusting in my opinion.
Like breeding persian cats to have the most squished in face possible, to the point where they cannot breathe, eat, or drink properly, and often have skull deformities that end up causing serious health issues. Because of their inability to eat properly, and because of the shape of their mouths now, their teeth rot and fall out far too young. |
| Green amniotic fluid- I believe this is the meconiom (sp) that is not supposed to be released until the actual birth, or close to it. If it comes out of the pup early it is because there is distress. If the pup breathes it in when born he can get bacteria in the lungs. Not good. For the pup to be totally green it either was in it's own feces for a very long time, due to some problem in the uterus, or it is a farce. I actually think it was dyed that way, and now is famous : ).
And I also think it is very sad about dogs needing C-sections. Just because they are done all the time doesn't make it a good thing. There is a lot of discomfort to the mom, and may even cause her to reject her pups bacause they cause her pain when nursing. It is normal with bull-dogs because of their build, but it certainly does not make it natural. As for smaller breeds, which ones would they be? If the dam was not whelping naturally she should spayed at the same time. Why would anyone want to put thier dog through that kind of misery? Oh, yes, I know why. The almighty dollar, again. |
| I'm sorry, I forgot I'm not in the close knit loop around here.
Yes I know it's only your opinion, my opinion, blah, blah, blah! We out of the loop animal lovers have all heard it before. I'm sorry!! I promise not to respond anymore. I should have known better when I was clearly talking to experts. No please don't be modest, we all know your experts. When I go to work on monday, I'll let all the c-section, small dog, bulldog, flat nose cat, teeth fallin out, deformed, money hungery pet owners in this world know they are bad, bad people! Ron I'm sorry!! I promise not to respond anymore. |
| Do you think it's a good idea, in your own personal opinion, to breed a dog who you know in advance cannot possibly give birth naturally without a high risk of a painful death? |
| In addition, there are many reputable bulldog breeders who also hate what has happened to the breed, and are working to change it. Not to a show standard, but to a new standard that will take into account first the need for a healthy, naturally whelping breed. |
| Hannah, I'm not quite sure what offends you, but if I offended you I apologize.
I really *was* just stating personal opinion... I hope you will continue to participate in the forum, you are able to provide an invaluable insight. |
| I stated the fact about the greenish black discharge and it being a normal thing to see during natural birth or c-sections.
Yes we do c-sections at the vets office. I felt like I was jumped on for having to do c-sections. I'm not the owner or the breeder. I can't help it that it is done. Yes there are not perfect breeds in this world, but they are here and we at work do what is safe for the animal, and if that means c-section so the mother and babies don't die I'm all for it. It doesn't make people bad just because they do them. I guess it was this post and others where I have posted opinion or fact and shut down without a second thought. There are people on here that feel strongly about their opinions on here and that's great but don't dog other people you may not agree with. Maybe I was a bit touchy, and for that I am sorry. I just feel that I should be able to state something without it being questioned in a " I don't think your right" manner. |
| My post on breeders having to have routine c sections done had nothing to do with you at all, the word you wasn't even present in that post, so again, sorry for the misunderstanding! |
| GREAT! We're in agreement that we should be nice to one another and try not to offend anyone's sensibilities when we write! Yay!
Also, we should try to remember that in this medium it is hard to express gentleness when writing, so the reader should always assume that the author meant no insult or disrespect when it was being written. So the combination of writing like you are chatting with a neighbor who you don't know very well, at your own kitchen table, sharing a cup of tea AND assuming the author meant no disrespect will work wonders! Thanks to all for understanding! |
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