barking is out of control
but in the house he barks to go out that great but he barks coz his toys stuck under the furnature if he wants something if he wants attention if he wants food or you cup of tea he barks at you in bed on the computer it nearly constant and over the last few days it got really bad it an annoying high pitched barked that goes right through you any suggestions we try and ignore the unwanted backing but something it get to much on the ears and nerves and we just have to tell him to be quite but mostly he just ignores us we just seem to be having loads of problems lately barking not going for a walk or going but getting scared and running home chewing and stealling stuff he lets me brush him thats one thing i'm thinking back to the trainers but hes done one course and he does great in class then he comes home or teddy come to stay and hes really bad again |
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| Hi! I'm learning tons from our training class so I would agree - another round of training can't hurt. Maybe look at it from a different perspective this time, instead of concentrating on what Einstein learns from the trainer, focus on what you can learn from the trainer in terms of how to communicate with/provide direction to him.
With the barking and the walking, I would wonder if he's trying to assert himself as the alpha dog. Have you read Jan Fennel's book The Dog Listener? Every time Bailey gets difficult I read it again, and usually realize that I've been "slacking off" in terms of establishing myself as the boss. When I get lazy, he definitely looks to fill the power gap! But I just have to say, it's very English of him to want your cup of tea! Anyway, good luck with the barking. Sue |
| I have alot of sympathy but not much experience. . . Sorry. Hang in there! |
| No professional here, but I think part of the problem may be from ignoring the unwanted barking. If you don't already, you may try making him earn rewards. When he's barking say for food. Make him lay down. That would distract from the barking. After a minute, allow him to get back up and if he doesn't bark set the food on the floor. If he barks, repeat the process. I know it may take awhile, but we have to be consistant with them or as said before they learn to take over again real fast.
I've also done the "ignore the dog trick" by turning my back to the dog when its doing something I don't like. Or, putting a newspaper up in front of my face. That takes them by surprise and they seem a little disappointed, but it gets the message across. Training by professionals is always the best answer, but as mentioned earlier, we have to be trained to train the dog. Sometimes when we look back at what we're having a problem with, we'll see that we were the root of the problem. Once we realize that and change our behavior its easier to change the dogs. Good luck. |
| hi Zoe,
I havn't enough knowledge to give advice, but you do have my sympathy, Smeagol barks a loud piercing bark when he wants Frodo to play with him. It is usually outside but it does go right through you. Also the walking, I cant take Frodo on the road for a walk, he is frightened of traffic. It isnt a problem where I live because there are pleanty of fields to walk or we take him in the car to the park or the beach, but I think it is something we should have got help with when he was younger. Is Einstein afraid of traffic when you take him for a walk? How old is he now? maybe he is going through the difficult teenage time Chris Frodo and Smeagol |
Murphy barks when he's excited...before dinner and going for a walk are the worst!  I have been trying to ignore him...this works with The Gooch...but with Murph...not so much! 
I have started looking directly at him with a pointed finger, saying a firm NO...this seems to have an impact. I make him sit...this is usually very effective except for his "talking" kind of sounds like "rub a rub a" it makes me laugh...which of course I know doesn't help! He is very vocal! He also jumps in the air, all 4 paws off the ground like a Terrier!? I have never met such an agile sheepie!
I think I should re-read my Jan Fennel book!  |
| Total sympathy here. Bentley barks when he doesn't get his way, when he wants something, when one of the other fur kids is within 5 feet of me . . .
and as we learned recently, when the car slows down. I'm no help, nothing distracts him. He's on a mission from God.  |
Bentley barks?  |
maize does the same zoe. if me and steve are talking in the kitchen she give this high pitched bark. then has a sheepie moment. Running round like a mad dog jumping and nipping us.  |
| Okay, I've got a barking problem that I can't figure out.
When we are at class and doing sit-stays, Carl barks and barks and barks! He'll look right at me and bark. Loud, obnoxious, heinous barking when everybody is quiet and still. He doesn't break his sit, he just barks. It has amazed 3 instructors now and none of them have any idea what it's about. |
| Carl is talking to Bentley.
And then Bentley responds back. Next question? |
| Barking...sigh....Dogs bark for many reasons, but most of these descriptions can be slotted into one of two reasons...frustration and demand barking.
If your dog is frustrated he/she will bark to try to communicate to you that there is something not quite right. I have found that if I am training my dog and I am not being clear in my requests I get barking and then running around or the dog will just walk away. You may want to avoid staring into your dog's eyes during a sit/stay or down/stay, as they may be thinking that you are waiting for them to do something, and they don't know if they should offer another behavior or not. If they do not understand the cues they are getting they will get frustrated. Or sometiems they just want you to hurry up, and that moves into demand barking. Demand barking is just plain rude, and the suggestion here to ignore it is the best advice. That and some negative punishment, such as removing the toy or going into the house, or leaving the room. For example, I am outside in the yard playing ball with one of my dogs and stop to speak to a neighbior. My dog has the choice to sit quietly and wait for me to get back to him or he can run around and bark at me to get going. If he acts politely and waits he gets rewarded with more playtime. But any barking and carrying on results in all the toys getting picked up and put away. I don't like my dogs to be so aroused that they are out of control. Barking non-stop is self-reqarding and I don't allow it. Like a 2 year old who loves to run around screaming at the top of his lungs, it is rude and should not result is an ice-cream cone to stop him. Barking non-stop gets some crat time or end of play. On the other hand, my Amy has learned that if she brings a ball over to me, lays it close to my feet, and lies there staring at it long enough, eventually I will pick it up and throw it for her. She is so quiet, and will wait a very long time, so I reward her for this behavior quite often. When Bosley plops a sloppy stuffy in my lap. then backs up and barks at me, I ignore it or the toy goes into the toy bucket. He is learning that if he is quietly playing by himself, with a squeaky toy I will often ask him for it and start up a game. |
| found a trainer this morning and had our first class tonight einy did well with the other dogs normally hes scared and he only barked once and was quite when i said no
but he would not sit on comand but that what trainings for he sits fine at home |
Way to go Einie! 
Can I also say...they always do everything at home...it's the challenge to have them do it at class!
Quote: Carl barks and barks and barks! He'll look right at me and bark. Loud, obnoxious, heinous barking when everybody is quiet and still. He doesn't break his sit, he just barks.
Carl is saying..."LOOK AT HOW GOOD I AM MOMMY! IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT, IS IT, IS IT?" |
| Right, that's it! |
Sir Gucci's Mom wrote: Can I also say...they always do everything at home...it's the challenge to have them do it at class!
It was the other way around for us. In class he was great but when Clyde came home and was around Lucy all training went out the window. Even for Sheepiefest he was a very good boy but the moment we walked through the door at home, he went right for Lucy, grabbed her neck and started dragging her around the living room. Jerk! |
Quote: Even for Sheepiefest he was a very good boy but the moment we walked through the door at home, he went right for Lucy, grabbed her neck and started dragging her around the living room. Jerk!
Clyde never fails to crack me up!
It seems as though The Gooch and Clyde have some of the same issues! Poor Lucy and Murphy! Is Lucy as tolerant of Clyde's behaviour as Murphy is of Gucci's? Murph's ears are always wet!  But I really think deep down they really love each other...well I KNOW Gooch LOVES Murphy!  But I sometimes think that Murph just tolerates the behaviour! For it, he gets extra loving from me! |
| Poppy has just started this whole barking thing with us lately and you're right, it is most annoying.
I am finding that she just starts it out of nowhere. For example, I am recently back from the hospital and have spent some time in bed. She will come downstairs and just start barking at me and jumping off the floor as if she's got springs in her paws. And this will be after she's already been outside, been fed, and all her other needs have been met. She's also the cheekiest girl I've ever encountered. She does not like to be told "no", and when she is, look out...... And she can bark on and on and on.....do sheepies never get hoarse? I know that she's constantly trying to put herself before my son in our "pack", as he is disabled and spends a lot of time playing on the floor, and I'm wondering if this has something to do with her barking. I sometimes get her barking at me when I am tending to his needs, and this is where I'm trying to put these two things together, at least in that instance. I've tried putting her barking on command using clicker training (ie. "speak"), but she's too smart for that, and won't speak when I want her to and won't stop otherwise. Any suggestions with the barking and the pack issue? __________________________________________ Sonya |
Sir Gucci's Mom wrote: Quote: Even for Sheepiefest he was a very good boy but the moment we walked through the door at home, he went right for Lucy, grabbed her neck and started dragging her around the living room. Jerk! Clyde never fails to crack me up! It seems as though The Gooch and Clyde have some of the same issues! Poor Lucy and Murphy! Is Lucy as tolerant of Clyde's behaviour as Murphy is of Gucci's? Murph's ears are always wet! But I really think deep down they really love each other...well I KNOW Gooch LOVES Murphy! But I sometimes think that Murph just tolerates the behaviour! For it, he gets extra loving from me! Lucy's hair is actually shorter on one side from all the dragging around the house that Clyde puts her through. I can't believe she tolerates it. I encourage her to bite him to teach him a lesson but she seems to like it! |
| I was just in St. Agatha on Saturday..10 minutes from you! Where did you get Poppy from?
As for the barking, how old is Poppy? Is she crate-trained? Has she been to any formal obedience training? I suspect she is not used to seeing you in bed so much, or during the day, so that is out of his schedule and strange, so she is barking at the strangeness of it all. If this is the case, just ignore it and it will stop eventually, as she gets used to it. And as for not liking the word "no", well, either do I LOL. I don't use it for my dogs, as it has too broad of a meaning and I am not certain that a dog can understand exactly what the "no" is for at every particualr time. If they are into something I have trained them "off" which means "get away from that and come get a treat". If she is doing something you don't want her to do then you can distract her or crate her. Imagine if you were in a room with a TV, stereo, computer, wet bar and a phone. Every time you went to use one of them you were told "no". You need to give her something to do instead. Think "I don't want you to do that, so what can she do instead?". She may be wanting to play with your son on the floor just like she will play with other dogs and animals. That is what she knows. I would suggest she be crated at those times with a yummy kong. If she is being reprimanded for wanting to interact with him she does not understand so is barking in frustration. Give her an alternate bevavior to do. Is there a game that you can get them to do together that is acceptable? |
| We purchased Poppy from Sandra at Ladykin. I imagine you were in St. Agatha to visit her, if you were out on an OES mission, as she is the only OES breeder in the area, and she's just fabulous.
Poppy is 10 months old and is crate trained. She is generally very obedient, except for this silly new barking thing. We've used "off" for exactly that...get off the couch, off of Matthew, off of the counter....and there's no confusion about that. We use "down" for lay down, which she understands, with hand signals, with the hopes that one day Matthew might be able to use hand signals to get Poppy to obey him as well. She understands "stop" as a command to not leave the yard when we are running and playing soccer and the ball goes out of the yard. We were crating her when we were tending to Matthew's needs, as she was squatting all over the house when she first came home. Once we got that under control, we figured that her place had been established. Perhaps it's time for some remedial school. Matthew and Poppy play pretty well on the floor together, but sometimes they get a little rough with each other. Matthew sticks his hands in her mouth, she chews....lightly, he kicks, she pulls his socks off....and then they get rough and tumble and I end up telling them both to stop and have to separate them and put them in different areas to play. It's like having two children. We never leave them unattended, even though they're good together, but I'm still concerned that she might think she's higher up in the pack because they spend so much time on the floor together. I can see how she might be confused, as most humans are not on the floor, but that's what Matthew knows. The kong is a good idea....she does love it....and any toy that squeaks... ________________________ Sonya |
| It was Sandra, alright! My Bosley had a ball playing with one of her pups. Wonderful lady, for sure.
It sounds like you are doing all the right stuff with Poppy, and as she is only 9 months old she is going through the sausy, teenaged stuff. Just be patient and work with her through this stage and she should be fine. Ignore the barking totally, but don't forget to reward her when she is quiet, This is often what we forget to do. You may want to stop the play with your son right before it gets out of hand, as if she enjoys she will look forward to that time. Let them play "nicely" but if it escalates just distract her and put her away. You want to keep her at a relatively stable state when in the house, but maybe let her go crazy when she is outside, only. Like inside rules and outside rules for play...I wouldn't be too concerned about the hirarchy between them. That relationship is applied out of context more often then not. The whole dominence theory, for example, only applies to same species, and your son and Poppy are not the same species so one is not capable of being dominent over the other. Poppy needs to learn how to play nice with your son, and if he does not hurt her she will have no need to defend herself. You decide what is level is acceptable, then keep the rules enforced at that level. But if she is ever getting to the point where you cannot distract her, then you need to lower the threshold of excitement that you will allow her to get to. Don't punish her, but you need to monitor it and control it. Calm is nice : ) For example, we had visitors today and my 6 month old OES was very interested in a little 18 month old toddler. The boy loved Bosley, and was squealling and then the odd time would start to run away. Bosley would trot after him in play, but I was thinking that Bsoley may nip him, or jump on him so every time the boy started to run I said "off", and Bsoley would look at me and come for a treat. The whole time Bosley was calm, and the boys parrents were amazed at how gentle he was with thier boy. I know that if I had not kept things at that level Bosley surely could have knocked the boy down, and started kissing him, and he would have screamed, and it would have been ugly. And Bosley did not learn how to make a little child sound like a squeaky toy...fun as that would have been for him, I'm sure! |
| The barking from my Morgan does make me crazy. When we are home alone she doesnt bark but if my daughter is home or my husband she just barks at them over and over and over! It is so hard to ignore the high pitched bark! I have 4 kids and she only barks at one? I dont get it. |
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