Dogs being used as bait?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005450117,00.html Quote: By IAN HEPBURN STRAY dogs are being skewered on hooks and dragged behind boats as live shark bait, The Sun can shockingly reveal. The cruel practice takes place on French-controlled Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean, where Prince William spent two holidays. A six-month-old labrador pup was recently found ALIVE with a huge double hook through its snout - like the dog above - and another through a leg. The pup was found in a coastal creek and is thought to have somehow freed itself from a fishing line. But other dogs and kittens have been chomped up and swallowed by sharks. The RSPCA plans to petition the French government, demanding an end to the hideous torture. --snip-- |
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| Oh my god! That is horrible. What on earth have we become to allow this kind of behavior to go on? I will try for the rest of the day to erase the mental images from my mind. The French have a lot to answer for on this one. We should all boycott all things french and encourage our friends and neighbors and anyone we know in other countries to do the same. |
That make me sick. I am so mad I could spit bullets. 
Let the punishment fit the crime. |
| Perhaps a UK person can confirm, but isn't the Sun a tabloid, like our Enquirer or Weekly World News? I wouldn't put too much thought to this being an serious problem without other sources confirming it as truth. These tabloids' contents are often called into question for being untrue and sensational. If you look at the other stories on the site, it's all fluff. |
| A friend just told me the same thing about the Tabloid nature of this "newspaper" It also recently reported that Elvis was recently seen sunbathing with Jackson's monkey. So I think it has to be taken with a grain of salt or perhaps a whole cup.
Tylersmom Leslie |
True, I didn't look at the source!  |
| Thank God, I was really upset over this. Garbage! |
Hopefully this is a so-called funny for their tabloid.However im sure theres a sick O out there who would actually do this too be in the public eye!!I sure hope not tho.  |
| Thats just sick and wrong...I dont care what kind of tabloid it is..just the picture, whether real or not makes me want to vomit. |
| did your research this before posting? I find that your last 2 posts were very up setting, sorry if this is upsetting to you but I got VERY up set at this post if it's not true. if this is a tabolid I for one don't want to see it.
Again I am very sorry if I am wrong. that pic has given me night mares of what coould be happening. please forgive!!! |
| I don't know if it's true or not; I didn't go to the site and I'm not about to. I found some posts about it, and a cat variant on snopes.com, but again, I didn't go to see the pictures.
Some of the posts are calling it a hoax, some are saying that it's true. I won't be weighing in on the issue. |
| I agree with Ron, I won't go to the sight either. If people would stop buying these papers there'd be no need for the photos and articles. As long as the public purchases the trash someone will continue printing it, and someone else will continue doing these acts to be in print.
In my younger days I never thought much about it, but what's the difference in bait? Only asking a question here, so please don't think I would ever approve of anything this horrible, but what makes a worm, a cricket, a leach, etc...... an ok species to use as bait, but yet, a dog, a cat, etc..... are off limits? Is the difference that one is an insect and the others are animals?  |
| I got it in a forward from a friend and then it was posted by someone else on another forum I go to (school related). First glance, to me...it just came from a news site of some ...perhaps.. city, so there was no need to further research something I was just sharing.
If I realized the source when I pasted the link (didn't even occur to me til someone mentioned it), I would have second guessed it. Either way, I posted it because I thought it was true ...and figured people would want to hear about this. ....the same kind of thing when there are news articles about other cruelity to animals or children. I apologize for not giving a warning! I should have. I was shocked and disturbed by the article too. I wouldn't say the picture was remotely "graphic" or "R" or anything of that nature. Again, I understand that there should have been a warning though. As far as content, there was nothing I could do about that since I thought ...and it could be ...a true thing that happens. I really don't doubt it does happen because people are just cruel like that. It just probably doesn't happen so regularly. As far as my last "2" posts.. what other one are you talking about? |
| I'd be wary of anything received in a forwarded e-mail. There's so much garbage sent that way! Things just get forwarded on to the next person (who really doesn't want it either) and no one ever stops to see if it's anything of worth. It's how rumors get started and facts get messed up. It really pays to do your research before sharing in a public forum that you believe is the the truth. It saves a lot of confusion and grief in the longrun as well as your own credibility. Just my opinion. |
| I definitely agree and you won't find things I've posted without a link (the source) if I took it verbatim. Many people don't even do that, which by the way is illegal (posting exact quotes/poems/etc from published/copyrighted sites without sources), and I've seen people actually get in trouble for it at another site (by the owner of the material).
Again, having a link to the actual site it was found was enough of a source for me. It wasn't a "I heard from a friend..." I never post normal forwards because I know and agree that everyone gets them (and doesn't read them). A few are funny. This "forward" was really an email from a relative which I called a "forward" .....that she had found randomly. We BOTH know what thesun is. However, we both glanced at it and it looked like a news article from a news site. People don't recheck and research again and again before posting somethign they found from what appeared to be a local newspaper. Then ....again, it was discussed on a forum I go to. A forum very quick to call something out and by the time I posted this... had not caught on either. Since it seemed to be a popular topic (just as I would if it was a article about some kid being held in a cage and only given dirt to eat), I posted it and had the same responses elsewhere ("oh my gosh, how can that happen"). This is much different than just posting any sort of junk I receive that was hearsay (example: forwards you get with a picture of someone you know in iraq and then an explanation of what they were doing..............when in actuality, it's not what it appears). Thankfully someone here noticed it was from "thesun" There's no denying that they're known to be a gossip magazine with wild fabrications which is why they're not taken too seriously .......I didn't hide the source or made it unknown to mislead anyone. It's very well known (pretty much on every grocery store rack in the us and apparently from the link...the uk) yet many other people didn't have "thesun" ring a bell to them. Someone caught it and after they made note of it, I passed it on elsewhere. That's how we learn things. I would agree completely if I posted this with no link. Then when asked where the source was, and I replied, "not sure" ...then it should have been something I researched. YOU as a reader can take it for what it's worth after being given something and research it. A link, author and source was giving the reader all they needed. |
| I do think as posters, rather than simply readers, we have a bit more responsibility in sharing information than the readers, especially in an online community where people know each other fairly well, especially those who post a lot. No one is suggesting dissertation type research here but this was obviously a topic that could elicit some emotions and it would have been worth it to look at the source yourself before posting it. I appreciate that you gave the link but it doesn't change the fact that it is still garbage. Garbage with a reference is still garbage.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just think this is something we should all keep in mind when sharing information, especially information that could potentially upset people. None of us want that and it's a situation that can be easily avoided. |
| I agree. |
| Here is a good source for "debunking" all of the internet nonsense out there:
www.snopes.com WARNING: Website contains graphic pictures They do a great job of researching urban legend emails. Next time you fall for one of those "gas boycott" emails, please go out to Snopes and read their research. I attached the "warning" just to let you know that they reproduce the original email, so of the email had graphic pictures the snopes story may show the same pictures. In this case, they only show one and to me it's obviously computer generated. In fact, they have researched this topic and it appears that the whole thing was blown up from a single case against one amateur fisherman who was using the bodies of dead stray dogs as bait. Still not good, but that person was prosecuted by local authorities (which is how it got into the press in the first place), and it appears that the Sun photos were doctored. |
| When I read something like this my stomach turns. Then I think of the many human atrocities throughout the world - in third world countries, and in so called civilized countries and I begin to wonder just how barbaric the human race is today. |
Bailey's Mom wrote: Here is a good source for "debunking" all of the internet nonsense out there:
www.snopes.com WARNING: Website contains graphic pictures They do a great job of researching urban legend emails. Next time you fall for one of those "gas boycott" emails, please go out to Snopes and read their research. I attached the "warning" just to let you know that they reproduce the original email, so of the email had graphic pictures the snopes story may show the same pictures. In this case, they only show one and to me it's obviously computer generated. In fact, they have researched this topic and it appears that the whole thing was blown up from a single case against one amateur fisherman who was using the bodies of dead stray dogs as bait. Still not good, but that person was prosecuted by local authorities (which is how it got into the press in the first place), and it appears that the Sun photos were doctored. That's a good site to reference Sue-- they're really good about keeping it current too. |
| This topic is on every forum I go to now (none of which I'm the one who posted it).
But with normal forums, they post articles and discover together whether they are true or not and move on. It's never been such a big deal. Anyways, here's the video of the dog in the article with the hook in his mouth. If you didn't want to see the picture, you probably don't want to see the dog in it... though there's nothing extreme shown (no blood or dog in pain...just the dog being examined) for those wanting to see. Warning: GRAPHIC http://www.30millionsdamis.fr/fr/ It's in French, but what I read was that this news person reporting it said that these dogs are left like this and have to survive on their own ..........and that they have been used as bait. |
| BTW, SNOPES says that someone was prosecuted for this and that it probably did happen. Still listed as unknown though, but there was someone who got in trouble already and they are currently looking for others. |
| And yet another dog with a hook. This time in the foot. Article is in french but there is a pic. Picture isn't graphic (hook in dog's foot, dog not showing signs of pain)
Warning: Potentially Graphic http://www.clicanoo.com/article.php3?id_article=113902 |
| Yet another article from PETA.
WARNING: This picture IS graphic http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-dogfish.asp |
| That last link was NOT a real picture, just so nobody gets too excited.
Shellie |
| Either way, it happens and is sick. |
| It's sick that people put up hoaxes like this all over the web all the time... their version of fun, greatly disturbing to most. Like the bonsai kitty hoax, that one had people ranting for 2 years.... another hoax. |
Quote: But with normal forums, they post articles and discover together whether they are true or not and move on. It's never been such a big deal. Then again, most "normal" forums aren't so, congenial, if you will. Many forums' members' would tear you a new one for posting something as truth that isn't-- depending on the forum topic. I mean, you're free to post whatever you like but be prepared to get laughed at and not taken seriously (and I mean this generally speaking, not to any particular person) after posting junk. Again, it's the poster's own credibility that comes under question. Joahaeyo wrote: Yet another article from PETA.
WARNING: This picture IS graphic http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-dogfish.asp This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic and proves nothing. This is an article that speaks out against fishing and against eating fish! The only thing close to a dog being used as bait is the fake picture of the dog with a hook Photoshopped in his mouth! It has nothing to do with dogs being used as bait. I'm not saying that it couldn't/didn't happen but posting more garbage doesn't do anything to reinforce any truth in the other links. |
| Actually, I just posted the sites others are posting elsewhere. Still drifting far from the point and that's that it really did happen. I don't even care how often it has been done or not, but that it even happened once. Even when shown it did happen and me agreeing that there should have been a warning, it's still not good enough because now we're fighting that it's not done "enough" to be true. So instead of trying to take it for what it is, you try grabbing the "well another link you posted had nothing to do with it." You're right, my bad. I grabbed easy data someone else posted that was in a stack of other urls (some of which I've posted). I was satisfied once I saw that someone is being prosecuted for it. Sooooooo.......it did happen, that's all I needed. There was no need "for me" to further research it. This isn't school. (Parrot), it's your job to further research it yourself, not rely on someone else.
Inside, I think the whole thread was blown way out of proportion considering you can choose to believe anything that is posted or not once a link (source) is given. If someone proves the link to be wrong, then we all learn together. "junk" would be defined as many of the forwards we ALL get that always end up in the trash. I've only posted things that I know not everyone has heard of and might find interesting. I'm smart enough to know that people won't be drawn to things they also got in their email and know that threads that get the most replies (in other forums) are ones with extreme stories or funny movie clips/comics. Reality TV could be classified/is classified as "JUNK" but people eat that right up and love hearing about it. Just like hollywood "gossip" I would understand the credibility argument if I had a reputation or posted things without a source. How hard is that to understand? Someone pointed out that thesun had a reputation of bad info. Although they have printed true things, that's not what sells their magazine so well. Have you not ever overlooked something? Apparently not. Instead of saying you "wonder if it's true, does anyone have another source" ...it immediately was a "how dare you.." type of thing. Which brings me to... I'm glad you actually mentioned other forums. You're right...most here are sweet family-oriented females who aren't used to posting on many message boards which can be seen by most coming here for the first time and never using an avatar, html, and the list goes on. Point being that this would have not resulted in this sort of response, outside of warning: graphic picture, in ANY other normal "General" widely used forum. Sports and College forums are widely known to be the most "abusive" ...and I go to SEVERAL since they became so "in" which was back in 96 or so.. And since this topic is currently posted at each of those places, even football forum, (again, not by me) I already know people would have moved on after someone suggested it wasn't true or further investigated (if they were that motivated/interested). People there do not get sensitive towards a picture they'd see on Animal Planet Cops (whatever that show is called) or even their local news ........because it's nothing compared to what is posted that warrant Warnings. Either way, that's not to say I don't agree it's needed at this forum or that I didn't overlook that when posting it. If anything, they could laugh at the fact a "regular poster" overlooked the source. That was not the response here by a few. From the french article I posted, another user who could read it says that The Brigitte Bardot Foundation has records of this happening for the past decade with actual incidences. And yet another article about the same story from Sea Shephard Conservation Society. Warning: Same Graphic Photos http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_050818_1.html |
| Actually MY point is that We don't all really need to see all the evil in the world... can't we be a kinder, gentler* forum?
*and less graphic?  |
| This was not a personal attack on you. In fact, I believe I said in the first sentence, that I was speaking generally and not to any particular person. I was using examples that you gave to generalize how information gets passed and how stories get blown out of proportion. My main concern in posting any of the responses was for those who were less experienced in forums/internet information to really consider the sources before getting upset and taking it as truth-- your personal credibility was never in question, at least not with me.
I hear this is going to be a big problem soon too: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/science/61504 |
| Please don't get all sarcastic. Let's stick to issues that could actually affect us (like the one below), not the nonsense you just linked.
http://photos.oes.org/albums/userpics/1 ... irrels.jpg |
Just to be sure.... Joahaeyo's previous post was done tongue in cheek....  It's pretty funny.
Thanks to all for letting this little friction ease away.... |
| I dunno Ron... I think Jedi squirrels are a genuine menace, and must be stopped IMMEDIATELY!!!! You should see the havoc those little lightsabers can wreak on a flower bed... And watch out NASA, who was the idiot who let those durn aliens get a hold of one of our spacecrafts anyhow!! He or she needs to be fired immediately!!
Karen |
| I'm glad someone agrees. These are some serious issues here. |
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