Barking is driving us batty!
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Deskwench wrote: This happens when we are sitting down doing something quiet like watching TV or reading. He comes up to me or my husband and starts barking.
Shanti does the same. I realized that he was "trying to tell me something"... so I go to the patio and check if he has water or he ALWAYS tell me that he did poopo so I should go to pick it up.  If I check and don't find anything, maybe because he wants me to pet him. 
Also, he barks like crazy wherever I am when he wants me to open the door so he can go outside (picture). I'm realizing that I am kind of maid to him....  |
| Your dog is really cute! I wish I could put a picture of my dog on this site but so far, I haven't had much luck. All the pictures of him on my computer are too large! |
| Hi deskwench! Hi danik! Hi guest!
Some free advice about barking first. Sit down like you are going to read a paper or book. When Truman comes over and opens his mouth to bark, smile, put down the paper and point at him while saying "Speak!" If you have the fore thought to bring some treats along with you, so much the better. But don't give him a treat just yet, even if he barks. If you keep pointing at him and saying "speak" and he gets to where he is barking on command -- give him a treat and a big hug. Try to remember to tell him to speak any time he barks at you for no good reason -- especially if you are sitting down. Idea is to make a naturally occuring behavior work for you. The bonus is that After you have him speaking on command, you can tell him "Quiet" when he barks and you don't want him too. After a while you can tell him to be quiet when you put him out or want to read, and he will be quiet. Especially if you continue to ask him to "speak" on command and give him either a treat or a hug. Now they know they are actually able to please you -- and they usually will. As for putting up a photo with your signature. This was covered in another one of my long winded messages. Basically run it through any photo editor and hit resize. Then reduce it a lot, like 90%. Then save it as another JPEG photo -- just rename it. If your photo editor will not let you resize by percentages, sometimes it will have the save as e-mail (which also reduces the size)option. Do that, then go back and check that photo file's properties. You need to get the photo's size down to 12KB and no more than 150x150 pixels format. The properties will tell you how many KB's it is. Then reopen your reduced photo file in the photo editor again and hit the size option again. In the scroll bar or options list it should let you change the pixels (which affects the length and width). Do it in proportion and preview it. If it looks ok, put it in an easily browsed area, like My Documents and upload it as your Avatar at the bottom of your OES forum profile's options. For your Profile options-- sign-in, go to this site's beginning forum page and look at the options ... one of them is users profile. If you are logged in you will see it. Click on that and go to the bottom of the page. Since I am typing this from memory, I may have to come back and edit this advice after I check it out myself. Ron gives some information on how to post photos on his sticky at the Pictures Topic. Most of this is explained in the profile section. And there are other posts. I hope we see a picture next time, or ask about whatever you are having a problem with, because Ron reads most of these topics and can answer questions even better than I. |
Good Advice Agingright  Thanks I will try it. You always give good advices. 
When I am at the patio reading, Shanti wants to play, so he start bringing a ball, if I ignore him, he brings it closer and start barking... If I still ignoring him, he place the muddy ball on my laps or my newspaper!!! 
Guest! Thanks. Last pictures were taken March 2003.. So now Is very different. Agingright is right. Follow those directions. I think that I saved the picture 75 resolution/quality... then... don't recall the steps of how to insert a picture |
| Thanks for the advice. I understand the purpose behind "teaching" him to speak on command by taking advantage of his spontaneous barking episodes. However, what if he keeps going on and on and on during these teaching sessions. Do you keep saying SPEAK and giving a treat for the barking response until he quits? I mean, he can go for 15 minutes without a break!!! What do you think? |
| Shanti, you crack me up!
Woof does the same thing - he brings his favourite toy in (Gordon the stuffed gorilla) and pushes him onto your lap. If you don't then play with him he'll get up on his hind legs and stuff the toy in your face! (He gets a telling off for this, but we can't help smiling!).. |
Quote: However, what if he keeps going on and on and on during these teaching sessions. Do you keep saying SPEAK and giving a treat for the barking response until he quits? I mean, he can go for 15 minutes without a break!!! What do you think ?
Have you tried it and he actually keeps barking? Thinking back to when we went through this, my girls would point and say SPEAK every time Abbi barked. This went on for a few days, before I jumped in and tried to show them how it was done. I put her out while we ate lunch, because she would always run to the patio door and bark at us while we ate. When she began barking I got up, went to the door and said SIT. I was holding a piece of meat. She sat, and as she was sitting I said SPEAK, sure enough she started barking (for the meat). Once she had swallowed I said LAY. And she laid so fast ... so she got another piece of meat. Then I said UP and SIT and then SPEAK. She did not speak, so I acted like I was going back to my lunch, and she started barking. I said GOOD GIRL -- she quieted, then I said SPEAK, she started barking and I rewarded her. By this time the girls were fininshed with their lunch and came and took over. By that night we had her SPEAKING, SITTING, and LAYING like a pro. She was only about 8 months old, but I had done it with and older collie, a young lab, and a year-old standard poodle before. It takes PERSISTANCE when they have been doing it for a while, unless you luck out. The border collier was at least 4 years old (he was a stray that I adopted without telling my mom for a while). He sat for us from day one, but would bark like crazy if we didn't play with him constantly. A retired Police officer neighbor came out and showed us how to teach him to SPEAK and then later that week came out and showed us how to make him be QUIET. I have never taught any animal faster. I was only 9 years old and it was quite an accomplishment. When our parents found out we had this stray, we had already taught him so many tricks that all they said is that we had to make sure he did not belong to anyone in the neighborhood ... which we did by going door to door. Wasn't a little neighborhood either. Mom called the dog catcher to find out if anyone was looking for a stray and then we adopted the best dog ever. Tuned out to be a rough coated border collie -- according to the vet. So I am sure you can teach Truman too. Just believe and keep at it. There is no one way to do it, but I have never been able to get a dog to be QUIET without teaching them SPEAK first. |
| my truman loves to bark at the cat. and his "play with me, cat!" bark is so annoying and high pitched! it drives us all crazy...especially the cat! |
| Believe me, Woof's low pitched "Pot Casse" bark can be equally annoying! The sound goes through walls...floors...my head..... |
| Watson would love to chase cars. Good thing he is always on a leash when in the front yard. he runs in his fenced area after a car when he sees one coming down the street. He barks at each and every one. Any ideas how to break him of that. Tell him no, or stop just doesn't seem to help. Anyone else's OES like to chase cars? |
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AN ANSWER OF THAT. 
I do live next door to a delivery restaurant so there are a lot of motorcycles coming in and out. That drives Shanti crazy. He barks a lot. Also when delivery guy passes by with supermarket cart and when he sees kids playing. Once were teenager doing –playing /practicing martial arts, and I couldn’t bring Shanti inside and It was no way to stop him from barking. So I had to tell kids to stop playing in front of him -thing that sound so unfair for them... So motorcycles and kids playing/running etc. drives Shanti crazy. I am trying to do the Speak so I can train him to Quiet as Agingright advised, but the only thing that comes out when he is “crazy like this” is to say “Shanti No” or asking him to come inside so neighbors won't complain about his potting case barking... 
Dani |
| Max loves barking at cars and running back and forth inside the fence when they pass. I'm waiting for the neighbors to complain. Do the anti-bark collars work? I'm thinking of going that route unless someone has a better suggestion. |
| Yes, Mr. Bark Collar works well, and is used quite a bit by rescue foster homes, from what I hear.
I don't know what brands they use, tho... |
| I was terribly opposed to using a "bark collar" (actually an anti-bark collar) until I had a foster OES that barked non-stop, and I do really mean non-stop, which was one of the reasons she ended up in Rescue in the first place. Clearly we wouldn't be able to place her in a "furever" home until we addressed the barking problem.
I started out with the method of teaching her to bark "speak" on command, then quiet "no speak" on command. It was very slow going and sleep was impossible if she was displeased and speaking. So, I resorted to Mr. Bark Collar. There are at least two kinds that I am aware of. One works on the principle that when the dog barks, the vibration activates a small shock. The second type works on the principle that when the dog barks, the vibration causes the collar to spray (citronella, I think) up at the dog's eyes/nose. There are other anti-bark devices that emit a tone but I have not found them to be effective. I opted for the shock collar and I think there are reasonably priced models from Innotek available on the internet. I have the most basic model, it has several levels of "correction" but I usually only use the mildest level. What is useful is that the collar consistently provides the correction -- and the dog associates the barking with a correction. You do need to follow the directions for using the collar, getting the dog used to wearing it, and following the instructions for training. I still feel terrible using aversive methods for training, but I must say, that the training went very rapidly. The dog stopped the constant barking within the first day, and stopped most random barking within two days. After that, if she started a barking episode, I just had to hold up the collar, and say "no speak". Of course, during the process when she was quiet after the "no speak" command, I would say "good no speak" and give her a treat. Happily, she now has a permanent home and barking is not a problem. I would certainly try Mr. Bark Collar before I gave up on a dog, or had a surgical procedure performed (I've met OES with their vocal chords cut). Hope this helps Innotek Basic No-Bark Collar |
| Asta,
I wish I had trained/re-directed a former female OES to stop her chasing/herding behavior. She used to chase and herd cars and other moving objects from within the confines of the yard (behind a huge stone wall and an invisible fence system). There are de-sensitization methods that you can use to modify that chasing/herding behavior (essentially exposing Max to a controlled situation, making him sit/stay and rewarding him for not chasing, and keep broadening the exposure and rewarding him appropriately). Jesse's herding instinct was so strong, one day she bolted out of the yard to chase a dump truck and was struck and killed right in front of me. It's the only time she violated the invisible fence, but all it took was once. Fortunately my current sheepies are only interested in chasing k-i-t-t-i-e-s or squirrels. Good luck, that Max is just adorable! |
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I finally gave up and got Truman a bark collar. It worked like a charm. When he has his now infrequent barking jags, I put the collar on him and he maybe barks one time and that's it. I hated to do it this way but nothing else worked. He's pretty good about barking now. I don't use it when he's barking at something outside or alerting us that someone is at the door, etc. Only when he barks inappropriately which is now pretty rare. [Here are a few types of "no bark collars": Innotek Basic No-Bark Collar ("Bark Inhibitor") (less than $40) Innotek Free Spirit Automatic No-Bark Collar (about $50) Innotek Advanced No-Bark Collar - Set It and Forget It! (About $80) -Ed.] |
| Fritzy,
Your senerio rings real to close to home. Max is on an invisable fence doing the exact same thing. He gets real exicted over big trucks. He walks fine except when really loud trucks goes by: He dosen't seem able to control himself. I better get my butt in gear de-sensitizing. You might have saved Max. Max is adorable, it would devistate me to witness his dismise, thanks for sharing the info. I'm sorry to hear about your loss. |
I hate those collars, but if it is nessecary then use one. Personally i use a water pistol Everytime my old Beardie collie used to bark (and it was constant barking) i used to tell her NO, if she barked again i would spray her with water and shout NO. She soon got the message. It worked for us  |
| I tried the water pistol method too. Unfortunately, Truman thought it was great fun and tried to catch the stream of water in his mouth! I also tried the pennies in the tin can method and that didn't faze him either. We have no problems with barking now and had to use the bark collar only 2 times!
[Here are a few types of "no bark collars": Innotek Basic No-Bark Collar ("Bark Inhibitor") (less than $40) Innotek Free Spirit Automatic No-Bark Collar (about $50) Innotek Advanced No-Bark Collar - Set It and Forget It! (About $80) -Ed.] |
| LOL deskwench, my old beardie hated water pistols, so it worked for us.
Still, what needs trying, we must try.....ya never know  |
| I was reading this old post about bark collars....cause Lola seems to be barking more and more.
Has anyone tried the sonic collars? Do they work? I really hate to use a shock collar and the citronella ones are so expensive. She sometimes responds to the penny can. But we're having problems when she's in the yard. She barks at all the neighbors for attention and sometimes I think for the fun of it. Also she is barking at obedience class all the time (I think she is trying to herd there). But I need to nip this in the bud before it gets worse. I haven't had much luck teaching her to speak on command maybe I wasn't consistent enough.
Any help would be appreciated by ours and our neighbors ears. Sue |
| I learned this on the old show 3 dog bakery now they are famous. I had a small spray bottle and put in a small amount of vinegar and when the dog jumped I would spray it near the dog and he was annoyed and then sat down. It got to the point that all I had to say was Mommy is going to get the magic spray. It did help with jumping maybe it would work with barking. |
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