Breeder Question...Roberts Glen?
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 Swagger's breeder is in Colorado Springs. |
| Don't want to sound nasty about this but finding a breeder who will have pups ready when you are ready isn't the best way to go about it. I don't breed so I have puppies ready to go to homes in June when people & their children will be home all summer with them. I breed when it is right for the dogs involved. The homes they go to are willing to adjust their schedules to include time for the puppies no matter what time of year it is & no matter what their work schedule is etc. If you are talking to reputable breeders & telling them when YOU want a puppy, this may be why you are not having much luck. There are several good breeders in your area. Just remember they are not all having puppies every 2-3 months. They are not volume breeders. If you can be a bit more flexible on your timing I am sure you can find a good breeder not too terribly far from where you live. |
| my OES came from this breeder and was diagnosed with Hip Dysplasia at 7 months old and Demodectic Mange. She had the FHO surgery and the mange cured. She is a great dog just wish she didn't have to go through what she did. |
| I got two puppies from Laurie and they are perfect! I recommend calling and talking to the breeders so you can hear what they have to say. You can ask them all your questions directly and confront any issues you have heard about. I know several people that highly recommend Roberts Glen Sheepdogs and that are very satisfied with their puppies. |
| Thanks everyone. I found a fabulous breeder who is perfect. Not a show/AKC snob who charges 2000 for their puppies either. I buying for the love of the breed, not to show or breed myself. My new boy will be home in 3 weeks, he's 5 weeks now. |
Rachelrenee75 wrote: Thanks everyone. I found a fabulous breeder who is perfect. Not a show/AKC snob who charges 2000 for their puppies either. I buying for the love of the breed, not to show or breed myself. My new boy will be home in 3 weeks, he's 5 weeks now. You know, I can usually let pretty much of everything roll off my back but I really resent this post of yours. Being a responsible, reputable breeder who breeds not only according to the code of ethics for OESCA but to an even higher standard, who takes the time & money to show her dogs & have them compete against others in the breed to see where they stand according to the standard as well as in performance events, who takes the time out to help in rescuing dogs from all the BYBs out there who don't give a dang what happens to their pups once they are out the door & won't answer phone calls from their puppy people when there is a problem & from one who spends the money to health test her breeding stock & study pedigrees to produce puppies that are bettering the breed (not to mention donating to the research that is helping to improve this breed).....I really resent you calling those of us who show our dogs & register them with AKC SNOBS!!!! And on top of that I don't even charge $2000.00 a puppy!!!! OMG!  I only charge $1500.00. And if I DID charge $2000.00 I still wouldn't make a profit on a litter!Good luck with your pup. I hope when you need to talk to your breeder at 3AM because your boy is sick that they answer the phone. And by the way, if you think that us SHOW/AKC SNOBS are doing this for something other than the love of the breed, you have no idea what you are talking about. I hope I don't get bumped off this forum for stating my opinion. As I mentioned earlier, I can usually let most everything roll off my back. But I don't feel those of use that go to all the trouble to answer the questions, breed decent dogs & stand by them for their entire lifetime deserve to be called SHOW/AKC SNOBS. |
Rachelrenee75 wrote: Thanks everyone. I found a fabulous breeder who is perfect. Not a show/AKC snob who charges 2000 for their puppies either. I buying for the love of the breed, not to show or breed myself. My new boy will be home in 3 weeks, he's 5 weeks now. Remember, YOU asked for opinions on a breeder. And people tried to give you an answer to YOUR question so there is no reason for you to resort to name calling for something YOU initiated. Also, IF you love the breed then you would realize that the price doesn't come into it at all. So there is no need to mention what you are willing or not willing to pay. What you would mention is that you found a breeder who cares enough about the breed to do health testing on the parents to avoid unnecessary medical problems and suffering in the pups. I think most people on this forum "love" the breed and are neither showing the dog or ever going to breed it. In fact several have gone the way of rescue and not bought a puppy because they really love the breed. Either way many of us have owned a Sheepdog before and we have seen firsthand what happens when the breeder didn't do health testing. So that is why you got the answers you did when YOU asked. Good luck with your new puppy. I truly hope he is healthy. He deserves the best no matter what happens. |
| As a moderator, it's my job to ensure the integrity of the board. I can promise that Marilyn, AKA ChSheepdogs WILL NOT get booted for voicing her opinion. She is a VALUED member of this group in part due to her informed opinion. And with that said, I'm gonna back her up and agree with her. I'm someone who DID pay $1500 for our latest pup. We did this because we wanted a sheepie who came from a pair of lines that had a proven health record. When we got her, she was to be simply a pet, a companion for the other sheepie we had. It wasn't until after we had her for a month or so that we decided to start showing. Showing is a sh!tload of work. Two years into it, we're still at it. So am I an AKC snob? Nope. I just want my girl to have the championship behind her if we chose to breed her to carry on her family line's history. The one thing I want you to remember is that karma is a cruel thing. You will likely get wat you pay for. I have found this to hold VERY true in all aspects of life. If you want to better your chances of getting a great dog who will be with you and very healthy for many years, change your attitude and your mind. Good luck in your search. Vance |
 I love it! AKC Show/Snobs! Gee, I thought they were someone who truly cared about improving the breed, not just filling orders with unproven stock. I can't imagine how they could be so snobbish when they repeatedly are told they charge way too much when they probably spent many multiple thousands in show fees to determine if their dog was of quality, then the prelims for breeding:preliminary costs for health exams and certificates, breeder fees with high quality stud/bitch, monitored the entire pregnancy carefully including regular vet and test apt for the bitch, hopefully didn't run into whelping problem, then the post whelping cost, docking, vaccinations, health tests on the pups. An AKC Show/Snob breeder will probably NOT make money on a litter. Imagine a BYB or (raised in loving home) breeder putting up with that! Hey, I've been in the original posters shoes feeling put off by an Show/Snob who was only interested in knowing what lines my sheepdogs were from. At the time I could honestly answer with a known line as the breeder had died suddenly leaving 4 or 5 orphaned dogs, we adopted 2 but I prefaced with "rescued" which initially was nearly snickered at until I mentioned the line. Since then I've only had rescues and yes mostly they have had bad structure and other problems from breeders who probably were not snobbish show people. I suspect one dog was "let go" due to major medical problems resulting from poor breeding. |
| The one thing you will find a mediocre breeder is "nice". To everyone EXCEPT the "AKC Snobs" that they fear the most. Being "nice" is about the only thing they do have going for them, it's the hook pulls the unsuspecting and uninformed in. They keep a constant flow of puppies available for people whose #1 priority is getting a puppy on demand. How much care can be put into an operation like that? Have you even dropped your requirement of OFA and CERF testing being done on the parents just to get a puppy when it was convenient for you? Or maybe your breeder told you that testing just wasn't necessary? There are a lot of "AKC Snobs" here on the forum and not all of us show. Many just wanted good companion dogs that had great temperaments and came from healthy parents. Many of us had OES years before the internet or forums like this and probably bought dogs from pet shops or backyard breeders through newspaper ads. Who knew? Today, you have the luxury of knowledgeable people trying to give advice that YOU asked for based on our own experiences. All of us "AKC Snobs" here have given solid, accurate advice that you are free to take or leave as you see fit. Don't come back and tell us that a random puppy-seller you may have found on the internet knows better than all of us. You have obviously found some backyard breeder who thinks anyone who shows their dogs is just fueling their own egos and don't care about their dogs. Definitely not the case. It takes time and money, lots of travel and expenses to care for the dogs. These dogs get the best of care and after shows they are beloved pets. But none of that matters, you found a expert salesperson who found a good way to make a few extra bucks at the expense of a couple of intact animals. They just keep the puppies coming so everyone gets the one they want and when they want it. Whether from GCH parents or puppies with nothing special in their pedigrees, all OES pups are adorable. This forum embraces everyone who wants to be a member as one of our own. Even though the most long-standing, knowledgeable of the many "AKC Snobs" here have taken great offense at your post, we'll still be here to offer solicited advice to you and help you if you need it, when your stellar breeder won't answer your calls. It's just how we are. "This AKC Snob" also wishes you the best of luck with your puppy. Hopefully you won't have to go through the heartbreaks that many of us have suffered due to lack of accurate information. |
| Rachael, I am NOT an AKC snob. NO ONE on this forum is an AKC snob.....In all the time I have been active with the Old English Sheepdog Forum,Old English Sheepdog breed, Old English Sheepdog events such as Nationals, and AKC Trials.. and the people who love them, I have NEVER met an AKC snob....are you sure they really exist???? I would love for you to produce a bonafide sighting of AN AKC SNOB!!!!!!!  I have owned one rescue from the Humane Society.....one perfectly wonderful sheepdog from a quality, loving breeder and now I have a wonderful 8 month old from another quality, loving breeder. You seem to be a little confused about this breed and the people who love them and live their lives FOR them and WITH them. (you see I did not say OWN....because all of us, who really 'get' our sheepies, know one can ever OWN one..) When I was searching for a perfect, wonderful sheepie from a good breeder, I had no interest in showing....or performance...I wanted to have a great Therapy Dog. This is my passion!!! To be honest, I didn't care what kind of markings it had, what color eyes, whether it was really big or very petite...I wanted a great dog with a great temperament to train to make sick people feel just a little better, to bring smiles to children with cancers. BOTH became therapy dogs....both had a full life of service and compassion. When I had problems with either dogs, my wonderful breeder would advise me, suggest things I didn't think of...It didn't matter whether ONE was a rescue and ONE was from her line! THAT IS WHAT IS MEANS TO BE A QUALITY BREEDER..... And, being on this forum....I am here to tell you ALL of the quality breeders here will go the extra mile, PM you, call you...do whatever it takes to help you!!!!!! Here is what I ended up with:  So, we all look for what we want out of the breed we choose...but, like someone else mentioned..you came to US asking for help...and we gave it freely and kindly. And again, we will be here when your breeder may not answer the phone at 2AM when your puppy is sick and you don't know what to do...you can come here and I promise you someone will be online willing to help you, if only to give you support and suggestions. And, I also hope you get a very healthy well temperamented sheepie...but, once again...I will say, You get what you pay for. (((I will be waiting for verification that AKC snobs roam the earth!!!!)))))   |
Well said everyone!  Everyone on this forum loves this breed so much and will do anything to help one another no matter where their sheepdog came from. Rachael, I wish you the best of luck with your puppy.Cindy |
| Of course she will, they are sheepdogs and a wonderful, clownish breed who loves people and attention. We haven't seen Teddy pixs in awhile, is it camping season again? |
SheepieBoss wrote: Of course she will, they are sheepdogs and a wonderful, clownish breed who loves people and attention. We haven't seen Teddy pixs in awhile, is it camping season again? Sorry about no Teddy pictures lately. I'm Facebook friends with so many people now from here and it's so fast and easy to post pictures there, that I tend to just do that there now. I do a lot of making comments on posts here, but it saves time just posting in one place. I used to send a lot of emails with updates also, but haven't made time for those either. Cindy |
| I miss the Teddy pictures too! Also how is the agility going? |
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well said everyone! Nothing to add that hasn't been said. I have never met a sheepie that I didn't love-- I could not put a price $$$$ -- on the incredible knowledge of the collective minds on this forum--people willing to help anyone who asks for help! Rachael--I wish you the best with your new puppy-- |
| Do NOT purchase from this breeder. I adopted a female bred by this family in 2011 through an OES breed rescue group. I know of another female bred by this family who was recently placed by a different OES rescue group. Unfortunately that dog was returned to this breeder for a short period of time by the original owner and came into rescue with a bad case of mange. These are not responsible breeders. They are a small scale OES puppy mill. I am certain OES bred by this family (which unfortunately has expanded with the daughter now breeding OES too) are in rescue all over the country as most OES placed in shelters/rescues do not have background info. |
Count me in as another who has adopted a Robert's Glen dog from a reputable rescue. The rescue had the original owner contact the breeder before they would take my dog in, which was the right thing to do. Robert's Glen refused to take this dog back as well. So much for being a responsible breeder.  |
| Dogamoose and sheepiemama-so what was wrong with the pups/dogs that were turned into rescue? Do you still have them, and how have they turned out? Was just wondering since a member on this board got a rescue and tried their best, but the poor pup had to find another home. A lot can be accomplished with love and patience. Just wondering how you both have done with your rescues is all. |
| In the case of our dog, the family said the animal was totally out of control. With work we've turned that around but why would a breeder refuse to take back a puppy that was just a few months old? |
Dog-A-Moose wrote: In the case of our dog, the family said the animal was totally out of control. With work we've turned that around but why would a breeder refuse to take back a puppy that was just a few months old? Because they don't want to have to deal with the "problem" & it is much easier to sell an 8-10 week old puppy than one that is a few months older. |
| I could write a small book about all of the problems my three year old female rescue bred by Roberts Glen has experienced. Some problems come from the poor quality breeding stock and other problems come from not being properly socialized during the critical early months of her life. Her original owners were so fed up with her they could have opened the door and just let her lose if an OES breed rescue had not been right there to get her on demand. I have just rescued a second female just slightly older to give her a dog to play with that can take her level of energy and help calm down her anxiety levels. My 11 year old male rescue was in jeopardy of being hurt by the level of play and roughness. Now the females get along great and he can play with them if he wants or he can easily opt out. The point is really not what the problems are of these individual animals. My male rescue was bred by a puppy mill in Arkansas who sold to large chain pet stores and my new female rescue was bred by backyard breeders in Ohio. The male is totally out of control around food which is a common puppy mill dog problem and nothing I have done in over 10 years of ownership has been able to change that behavior. My new female rescue was purchased by a young man at 8 weeks old and was properly socialized. She only came into rescue because he could no longer keep her for personal reasons. I would like to see all breeders like Roberts Glen out of business yesterday. We do not need backyard breeders and puppy mills breeding OES for any reason. I think there are only two ways to obtain an OES: adopt from an OES breed rescue group or purchase a pet quality puppy from an OES breeder of show champions. Many OES become too large, too expensive, or too something else for their buyers between 6 and 12 months of age. If they are lucky, they end up with an OES breed rescue group. Many wonderful OES of all ages including young puppies and seniors over age 10 end up with OES breed rescue groups for a variety of reasons other than just behavior problems. A slightly older dog might actually fit into your lifestyle better than a needy puppy. Information on OES breed rescue by state is readily available on the Old English Sheepdog Club of America (OESCA) website and on the New England Old English Sheepdog Rescue (NEOESR) website. If you cannot find a rescue in the state where you live, contact someone in the state closest to you for advice and assistance or someone involved in rescue off the OESCA or NEOESR websites. Most OES breed rescue groups have more dogs available than are listed on their websites. Yes, many OES do come into rescue with behavior problems because they were sold to people who had no business purchasing a large active breed in the first place by backyard breeders and puppy mills willing to sell to anyone with the money to buy them. Too often the dogs have been mistreated to the point where they are dangerous to humans and the OES breed rescue group must put them down because they are not safe to adopt out or the dogs have been allowed to do whatever they want to the point of being wild and out of control. What was cute slightly destructive behavior when the dog weighed 20 pounds is not cute when the dog weighs 80 pounds and your living room furniture has been shredded. For people who definitely want to purchase a puppy from a breeder, please purchase a puppy directly from a breeder of show champions. In the best case scenario, both parents should be show champions with health certifications. Show champion breeders usually have pups deemed pet quality in each litter. Do not purchase a cute puppy from a backyard breeder or a puppy mill breeder via the internet. Only the best OES should be bred and buying from someone who is not showing champions only hurts the breed in the long and short run. |
| Very good post Sheepiemama. If I may, I'd like to add one thing. Many of us reputable, responsible breeders end up placing some of our puppies that we consider show prospects as companions or "pets" simply because show homes are very hard to come by. So just because someone may end up buying a puppy as a "pet" or companion from one of us doesn't mean it necessarily couldn't go into the show ring & finish it's championship, qualitywise. And many of the ones we would consider "companions"........most people would never notice why we decided not to show them. The reasons can be so minute. Most of the time we are nit-picking when we evaluate our litters. |
| Well said, Marilyn... And, although, I could have shown Heart (and Willow too)..That is not what 'floats my boat'....I feel I am too old to 'begin' a career in the show ring, and, as all of you are well aware, my passion is pet therapy...second is performance. That being said...I am asked, quite often..."Is that a show dog???"....And ....my answer is always the same... YES...SHE IS.....SHE SHOWS UP FOR DINNER EVERY NIGHT!!!!!!!  |
sheepieshake wrote: Well said, Marilyn... And, although, I could have shown Heart (and Willow too)..That is not what 'floats my boat'....I feel I am too old to 'begin' a career in the show ring, and, as all of you are well aware, my passion is pet therapy...second is performance. That being said...I am asked, quite often..."Is that a show dog???"....And ....my answer is always the same... YES...SHE IS.....SHE SHOWS UP FOR DINNER EVERY NIGHT!!!!!!! ^^^^^^ Good one Val! Cindy |
| I have gotten two OES from Laurie (Robert Glen OES) she is very personable, knowledgeable and wonderful to talk to about her dogs. a I have a boy 5 years and a girl who is 3 months. My boy (Barney) and baby girl (Tilley) are wonderful, loving, loyal and beautiful. They they were very socialized when I received them and both have been very healthy. I would recommend this breeder to anyone. CReeves |
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