Keeping Tucker's whites- WHITE. Suggestions?
And, to be truthful, with all the other things we did for him, I didn't worry too much if he his whites were always clean. More worried if he butt was wiped, and his privates dry.  When we picked Tucker up last week, he was so white and clean. Within a few days, he has those pinkish stains. I just bathed him, but didn't have much luck getting his whites pretty again. What should I be using? Also, Trina, our groomer is getting our business again. I am worn out, wrestling that pup in the tub. I had to strip before I could leave the bathroom... I was soaked! John wants me to groom myself this time. Ain't happenin'.  |
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| Puppy in the plastic bubble? Seriously though, good luck. When lily was a wee little sheepie pup she stuck her face in everything. Especially if it was white and clean, she would go straight for a mud puddle. |
| I think puppies have the worst stains and no matter what you do... they just got through that stage ...to me at least. I still have some stains but I find they are drastically controlled by wiping Yuki's mouth every time he drinks. She has controlled water and can only get it when asked, so we're always right there. It used to be a pain to do... but we have been doing it for 8 years now, so we've got it down. If a dog visits my house, same drill (and EVERY dog hates it at first). Lambo after 2 weeks knew the drill. After 2 months, he knows stands there waiting to be wiped. Yuki after a few years will seek us out ...and continue to pace until her mouth is wiped. We were shocked... she HATES being wiped ...not now likes to be clean |
| As soon as they see the washcloth they hightail it. Trying to hide in corners so silly. If I let them be they will go rub on rugs and chairs harder than I ever clean their faces. |
| Where are you seeing these stains on Tucker? |
got sheep wrote: Where are you seeing these stains on Tucker? Dawn-- Beard and under his eyes. He was bright white when we brought him home... |
Abuckie wrote: got sheep wrote: Where are you seeing these stains on Tucker? Dawn-- Beard and under his eyes. He was bright white when we brought him home... That is what I thought you were talking about. But I thought I'd better ask and make sure. Not dirty, dirt.  If it's both beard and eyes, they likely are related. There is some staining (by the eyes especially) that some puppies have as little puppies that they outgrow. But if you never noticed it before, it doesn't seem likely that that is it. But that kind is often seen, and they outgrow it. They can come from other causes too. Because it's excreted from the puppy, you look at stuff like the food, the water, anything else the consume or enters their body. You often see this kind of staining on the ear hairs inside the ears as well. Some foods do this - I had one that I used years ago with Ollie our 1st OES and when I switched foods, it resolved. Also, are you on a well for water? All the minerals (we have loads of iron here) can also do this. Then you have the external effects of the well water too. But I doubt baby Tucker was getting hard water baths. With Chewie I sometimes do a quick hose bath off his whites, and he does have a slight rust cast to his whites, compared to Bond especially.  There are lots of good whitening shampoos out there. But I don't often use them on little puppies. How old is Tucker now? |
got sheep wrote: Abuckie wrote: got sheep wrote: Where are you seeing these stains on Tucker? Dawn-- Beard and under his eyes. He was bright white when we brought him home... That is what I thought you were talking about. But I thought I'd better ask and make sure. Not dirty, dirt. If it's both beard and eyes, they likely are related. There is some staining (by the eyes especially) that some puppies have as little puppies that they outgrow. But if you never noticed it before, it doesn't seem likely that that is it. But that kind is often seen, and they outgrow it. They can come from other causes too. Because it's excreted from the puppy, you look at stuff like the food, the water, anything else the consume or enters their body. You often see this kind of staining on the ear hairs inside the ears as well. Some foods do this - I had one that I used years ago with Ollie our 1st OES and when I switched foods, it resolved. Also, are you on a well for water? All the minerals (we have loads of iron here) can also do this. Then you have the external effects of the well water too. But I doubt baby Tucker was getting hard water baths. With Chewie I sometimes do a quick hose bath off his whites, and he does have a slight rust cast to his whites, compared to Bond especially. There are lots of good whitening shampoos out there. But I don't often use them on little puppies. How old is Tucker now? He was 12 weeks on the 21st. We have a reverse osmosis system that I use to water him... so no rust there. I was his face everyday with tap water, that goes through a softner. May have a bit of rust residue, although I never see it in the sinks etc. We are feeding Pro Plan- same as the breeder. so no changes there. It does seem it is some change since he came here... when we picked him up, he was white as snow, with no stains. |
| Pro plan is one of the best foods, I had a rep here for 3 hours it really is good. Also try bottled or filtered water with a bit of apple cider vinegar in. It to neutralize the enzymes. At the end of threat you are what you eat. and you can feed urge ultimate food and give the worst treats. There is also pure paws sealer for when you get your whites white but rinse with cool water |
SlaveToTheBrush wrote: Pro plan is one of the best foods, I had a rep here for 3 hours it really is good. Also try bottled or filtered water with a bit of apple cider vinegar in. It to neutralize the enzymes. At the end of threat you are what you eat. and you can feed urge ultimate food and give the worst treats. There is also pure paws sealer for when you get your whites white but rinse with cool water Right now, his only treats are carrots and natural peanut butter in his Kong. Could it be either of those? |
Abuckie wrote: SlaveToTheBrush wrote: Pro plan is one of the best foods, I had a rep here for 3 hours it really is good. Also try bottled or filtered water with a bit of apple cider vinegar in. It to neutralize the enzymes. At the end of threat you are what you eat. and you can feed urge ultimate food and give the worst treats. There is also pure paws sealer for when you get your whites white but rinse with cool water Right now, his only treats are carrots and natural peanut butter in his Kong. Could it be either of those? Could be the carrots - but I wouldn't quit feeding them to him. They are a good treat. |
| I notice almost the same thing with Zeke. I bathe him and his whites look pretty good. 24 hours later, and his upper beard and around his eyes looks yellowy/dingy. Can't figure out why that is happening. |
| Oscar's whites stay white with his Chlorhexidine shampoo. His beard will yellow and get dirty over a few days, but he has longer jowls than Quincy did, so he simply drools more, causing the staining. I have never seen staining anywhere near his eyes. As far as the beard goes, Oscar gets it washed about every three days, along with his paws, behind, and "undercarriage". We can go about two weeks between full baths with this system, and Oscar stays looking quite clean. (He needs frequent baths to keep the bacteria load on his skin down to a dull roar.) One caution: be careful what you use near his eyes. I only use tearless, gentle shampoos around Oscar's eyes, though I use the chlorhexidine shampoo over the rest of his body. I wash the top of his head first, using the tearless shampoo, and then rinse it. Then I work on the rest of the dog, without being concerned about getting anything in his eyes. Since Oscar is already deaf, I am uber-concerned about his ability to see. Deaf? Okay. Deaf and blind? Not so good. But I know what you mean about bathing a puppy. It's like herding cats!  Do you have a rubber mat down in the tub, for better puppy footing? I found that Oscar was more willing to be bathed if he felt more stable in the tub. Also, I set up a kibble trail, right to, and into the tub when he was about 12 weeks old. He was leashed, so he basically followed the trail, and then hopped into the tub on his own. He DESPISES baths, but to this day, at 9 years old, he follows the trail, right into the tub.  Remember the movie "Roger Rabbit", where the Toons couldn't resist the saying "Shave and a haircut...." without yelling out "TWO BITS!"? Well, that's Oscar and kibble. He simply can't resist the siren song. The funny part is that he doesn't mind rain at all. Misting? No problem. Raining? No big deal. Torrential? No sweat. Biblical proportions? Whatever! But a bath? Heck no! Laurie and Oscar |
Oscar's Mom wrote: The funny part is that he doesn't mind rain at all. Misting? No problem. Raining? No big deal. Torrential? No sweat. Biblical proportions? Whatever! But a bath? Heck no! Now that I know very well  |
| Just read about an enzymatic shampoo that's supposed to do wonders on whites. It's called EZ Groom Crystal White. It's an enzymatic shampoo; has to be mixed with hot water to activate the enzymes; left to sit a little while on the dog's fur; thoroughly rinsed; and then conditioned after. Anybody have any experience with it? People that have used it swear by it. |
This is Caitlyn after a bath with her normal 'full body-bath' shampoo. It something that I got from PetEdge when we first got into showing. It's just a general dog shampoo, (shown below Caitlyn).  She and Zoey are fed Purina ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach kibble and gets NOTHING with any amount of beef if I can help it. Some beef is precessed with iodine and that will kill any white hair in an instant. I noticed after several months of fighting with Caitlyn's eye staining, that the older she got, the less of an issue it became. It's like she grew out of the eye staining problem. as for her beard... I was told that to lessen the yellow or brown staining to give them a HALF of a REGULAR TUMS a day. This cuts back on the enzymes that cause the staining in the beard area. Again, this seemed to be something that she mostly grew out of as I only did that for a short time and haven't in a long time. If you notice in the photo above, her beard is a bit more yellow then I'd like. I think it's too yellow. Others cry 'how do you get it that clean?' I really don't do anything. I bath her regularly. I brush out her face regularly. The day before a show, (which lately has been less frequent that once a month) she gets a 'whites only' bath with the above mentioned shampoo with Clairol's Shimmer Lights mixed in. Then her face is nearly glow in the dark white!!! One thing that just rakes me the wrong way is when a dog goes in the conformation ring and their breads are brown or black like they've been feeding on coal, from a feed bag. I really don't understand this. Even our Zoey, who is from entirely different lines has a white beard 99% of the time. I bathed her Monday night so she was clean enough to visit Jen's Dad. Look at how she looks. Her last bath was over a month ago.  This lighting isn't that great, but still. Ok, beard rant over. Sorry. Vance |
CamVal1 wrote: Just read about an enzymatic shampoo that's supposed to do wonders on whites. It's called EZ Groom Crystal White. It's an enzymatic shampoo; has to be mixed with hot water to activate the enzymes; left to sit a little while on the dog's fur; thoroughly rinsed; and then conditioned after. Anybody have any experience with it? People that have used it swear by it. Many of of use it. Self included  Have it in gallon jug.It does work really well. |
got sheep wrote: CamVal1 wrote: Just read about an enzymatic shampoo that's supposed to do wonders on whites. It's called EZ Groom Crystal White. It's an enzymatic shampoo; has to be mixed with hot water to activate the enzymes; left to sit a little while on the dog's fur; thoroughly rinsed; and then conditioned after. Anybody have any experience with it? People that have used it swear by it. Many of of use it. Self included Have it in gallon jug.It does work really well. Would it be OK for Lori to use on her puppy Tucker? I'm definitely going to try it on Zeke. |
| Sorry I was slow here - gone to Nationals and now trying to catch up. Yes, it can be used on puppies, even on cats. It's a 8:1 dilution, so you could even make it weaker if you wanted to. |
| Is it available in a store (like PetSmart or Petco) or only online? |
CamVal1 wrote: Is it available in a store (like PetSmart or Petco) or only online? I doubt it. I primarily get it at shows. I know of 2 retailers by me (one in MN, one in WI) who sell it, and both are privately owned and cater to people who show. So likely online will be your best bet. |
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