Bentley showing aggression toward other dogs.
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| Don't forget obedience class. Learn social interaction and manners. Pups go thru phases, keep consistent and this too will pass. |
| He has been to obiedence class and has his. Anime good citizen certification. |
| could it be he was not feeling good after the neuter. |
| No, he was completely healed. It was about 6 weeks prior to this incident. Do you think I should take him to the dog park?? Good idea, bad idea?? |
| I'd think not for the dog park until you can keep the monster under control on lead. That way any pre-aggression can be dealt with immediately with a quick tug and sound. He probably needs a good work out to get rid of spring time angst......long run, long walk. Perhaps after some road work he'd be ok at the dog park. Remember sheepie play can seem aggressive as it is a lot of running, bumping, growling, but sounds like he was guarding property--hopefully. |
| Thanks. Taking him for a long run tomorrow after all this rain stops. |
He's still very young, I would recommend going back to training classes, it will remind him how he is supposed to behave. Training takes years, even though he passed his tests, he will be much better after more training  He will enjoy it! |
| Will do. Thank you. |
| We have these blips with Dahlia too sometimes! I can't put my finger on it, except she is 2 years old as well. I am just very cautious about who she interacts with and make planned playdates instead of the dog park. |
| Around 2 years is a transitional time in a dog's life - they are moving away from a blissful puppy outlook, to a more adult outlook. Sexual maturity also plays a part (neutered or intact - they are still growing into adults). They are less happy-go-lucky children, and now are becoming aware of adult dog issues - hierarchy and rank, power, ownership of resources - turf , dogs, humans - and have a much more vested interest in their surroundings. So many people do make the mistake of stopping training and relationship work with their dog after initial puppy classes. Yay - my puppy behaves and all that....not aware that a big transition time is approaching with all the changes that maturity of their bodies and all the awareness of adult dog roles that accompany it. From your explanation of Bentley's behavior, it sounds like what you are dealing with. In our classes - we get lots of puppies of course, but also many tweens that are in that bad spot where the people are dismayed at what their previously perfect puppy is turning into. Also we see lots of shelter and rescue dogs - who reached this stage and their clueless owners had no skills to deal with this new stuff - and gave up or lost interest in the dog.  We STRESS a lot in our class orientation for the puppy people - come back to class as your dog grows up! A review session or 2 every year (at minimum) will be so valuable in keeping things on track. Plus it is lots of fun! Also - one rule of thumb I use with new behaviors you see in your dog (at any age): If they do it once, it's an accident, or they are testing out a new behavior. But if you see it a 2nd time, it's becoming a habit. Any more than twice, and it's well on it's way to becoming a cemented in behavior. So, if you see a new behavior - think about it - is this something I want my dog to do?? And then be prepared with an action plan if you see it again! Because if you let it happen twice, and it's undesirable, you are behind, and have a lot more work to get it undone. Hope this helps |
| I second what Dawn says. We are back at basic obedience with Mady, our 3 year old. Not for any particular issues, but we were taking the course with Gracie, our 1.5 year old and thought that it couldn't hurt to do a refresher for Mady (well, for us, really) too. The girls look forward to the class, they get very excited as we approach the building. After 3 years of having a dog (and now having 3 of them) I have finally clued in that it is a continuous process, each dog is different, each phase of life is different, and there is always something for me to learn. And that I should just buy shares in the training school, between obedience, conformation handling, and agility... |
| You ladies are so wonderful. I just love this forum and hope one day to make it to the Sheepiepalooza. I am taking your advice and going to go back to obedience class with the big B. He is so sweet and this reaction was a one time incident. What Dawn said makes perfect sense. We did a big 3 mile run this morning and then we went to the dog park. There were lots of dogs there and Bentley played and ran and had so much fun. He was very good with all the dogs. Even the little ones he seemed a bit gentler with. There was a weimaraner dog there and they and fun running together although Bentley almost took me out on a fast chase, not watching where he was going. Thanks for your great advice! |
| How I wish the training classes around here were "fun" . They are so oriantated (can't spell that) to the "next stage" bronze,silver,gold etc. We were doing well with Sprocket at one class untill he was attacked by one of the other dogs whilst we were waiting our turn and recall,so that it was advised that we didn't go back to that class as "the dogs don't like Sprocket-because of his fur they cant work out his body shape and it unsettles them". Had never heard of that one before. Our first set of classes were more a coffee morning for the local village,which I didn't live in so was an "outsider" and Sprocket at 16weeks at the time was "to old to train really"-we did 6 wks,learn not a lot except for who was doing what in the village. Our third attempt seemed to be going well,we did 6 wks course,paid a fortune for it (£10an hour class ) A lot of it made sence and we learnt-well I remembered thing I had forgotten but then "Sprocket didn't fit into the plan for the next course" I was told so that was that. I am trying very hard at home by common sence and the tips I get from you all and we have nice walks,mainly on a martingale collar with the halti in my pocket for just in case. But we have awfull barkings,growling etc when we meet most other dogs-all on leads. It isn't worse for our recent attack. I just don't know what to do.x |
You just need to move here Allyson.  OES actually do get attacked because of their different look - that part is true. But to tell you not to come back?? - that's just crazy. If I was the teacher, I would have used it as a learning opportunity for all the other dogs. At least all my students and their dogs get a good dose of OES each and every week. My boys come with while I teach - twice a week! |
| Dawn is, as the English say, spot on. Follow her advice, and work continually with your Old English. You will enjoy the results. Old English are dogs who were bred to work with a human with a flock of sheep or herd of cattle between the dog and the shepherd. These dogs were bred to think, guard, and drive flocks/herds to market. Each head delivered was worth money. So, you know that the shepherds trained their dogs to behave. Now, years later, we have these wonderful dogs as our companions. Yet they still need the same training and direction from us as they had from their shepherds in days of yore. So, please keep training them. Through this you will have a deeper bond with them...and a whole lot of fun! |
| Laika is 7 and Langley is 4 and we are taking class again together. I have taken up to level two with both separately and then thought jeesh I should take both. Isn't easy but this is what my life is dealing with both. I have taken Level two twice with both dogs. There never classes beyond that level unfortunately. But just to get them into a structure and around other dogs. As well as tricks and games classes. On going. I will probably take a break for awhile see how it goes. Taking both at the same time was not cheap and she gave me a deal! Time to spend some money on myself for once But I agree it doesn't hurt to take a class even if it is the same level over again. Check out these pics from tonight and a description of the how we came along since the first class. http://forum.oes.org/viewtopic.php?t=40436 |
| I really can't understand a lot of these lapse problems? Archie and myself have had NO formal training, yet he is great with other animals and I think my realistic generally chilled attitude towards what is expected from him and other dogs goes a long way to diffusing situations. Archie does indeed get attacked by other dogs - he does not retaliate (I think he thinks it is just what dogs do) he can readily ignore needy yappy aggressive dogs almost like "whatever?" I do control Archie reasonably well when out. (I am not some over rigid control freak his walk is supposed to be enjoyable) I meet other people, who don't understand why with all the training they do why their dogs don't behave and listen when out in the street (no not just with Archie)? and they think I have trained Archie really well (I stand there inwardly amused - if they only knew). The amount of times I witness these people struggling (well actually I think it is actively feeding their neuroses down the lead to their dogs) and it's always "the other dogs/owners fault" when they relate their issues. As their lovely dog never has issues in class! I think training situations either should not be carried out in the controlled class type environment that they are, the training needs to occur in the open world where they experience other troubled animals/owners, or actively encourage a mix of behavioural types into the class. Trainers who advise owners to take their animal out of a class because it doesn't suit their limited dynamic should not call themselves trainers, they are not doing the owners or their dogs any favours, by existing within a safe cocooned setting. If they are going to elevate themselves to a higher status than other dog owners then best they earn that. Maybe I am just totally deluded? or I have just been exceptionally lucky with this big Oaf called Archie? |
| I do think an easy going personaility does rub off on the dog, both my dogs are easy going. They have fun but they don't annoy people and are not out of control. But I wonder if I would fare so well with a dog that came from a dog rescue with issues. I got both my dogs young and from friendly owners with friendly parents so I think I got a good start. I am so happy with the obedience and agility classes that I have been to here in Canada, they are very accepting of all breeds of dogs. There are some dog personalities that are difficult in the classroom situation but the instructors here work with all the dogs and do not openly discriminate. It is shocking Allyson that the instructor told you and sprocket to not come back because other dogs don't like him. I would say this is the other dogs problem and they should be working on the other dogs reaction to sprocket. We had dogs in the dog park bark and growl at Monty before he was neutered but after Monty was neutered the barking at him by other dogs stopped. |
| We went to class so that Sprocket would get used to meeting other dogs apart form his brother and our son's dog. That hasn't seemed to help,I am sure the classes we tried (and stuck with for a 6 wk course) have made him more scared of other dogs and male humans the last trainer was a male and used to try to "dominate" Sprocket by pushing him down to the ground,I am afraid he doesn't like to lay so he can't see what is happing when he thinks there is " a situation" so it became a fight with the trainer and Sprox. He stopped and lay down when I stepped in with the command because I was getting all hot under the collar and annoyed at seeing him treat my dog like that. Sprocket didn't bark,growl or try to bite,he just didn't want to be pushed down like he was being. Now he barks at most males if they try to come to close and other dogs. My household males are ok and regular customers that he knows-he just seems to take a dislike to some when we are out and he is on lead. Sorry, I keep ranting and we were talking about Bently!!xx |
| Have you brought him around another dog since the incident? Maybe there was something between the two dogs you didn't see. If it was a one time thing I wouldn't worry too terribly much. Just add some extra training to keep him occupied and socialize a little more. |
| Yes we had a wonderful time at the Dog Park on Saturday. He was so happy to play with the other dog. I do plan on getting back to class with him though. |
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