Need help here I am soooo frustrated!!!!
Anyhow So no Gizmo anymore in the pen with the big pup. Giz is also recovering from a spine injury he got last year which was agrivated by the pup recently causing him to lose ballance on the back end so naturally time out needed to happen. NOw the pup is peeing again! We got out of that weeks back and suddenly he is messing again and weeing on the floor. He used to sleep all night but now he wants up at 3am "barking" - he does poo at that time! Then he is up again around 5.30 to wee! He used to go 5 hrs at least during the day but now if I am out when I come back there is always a puddle. Giz in only the other side of a baby gate! It is not as if he can;t see him! I am really tired right now and so frustrated. He is using his bed as a puppy sheet again! we got out of that now he is regressing. But I can;t put giz back with him because Giz is injured from his rough play and over grooming. I am sooooooooo needing advice The Giz! Gizmo the Schnouzer.  Bailey the pain in the xxxxxx  Oes |
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| Not sure I remember exactly how old Bailey is now but know he is still a young puppy. A couple of things you might try-- Feeding him on a consistent schedule--try to take notice of his poo schedule in relation to when you feed him, you might need to switch up the times so the 3 AM alarm is changed to another time. Lots and lots of toys--maybe you can replace his 'grooming' interest with a toy that he adores. I find that they bond with a particular toy for a particular activity. Don't have an answer as to the anti-chew and fur falling out--but your little Gizmo definitely does not need to be Bailey's 'toy'. As to the renewed peeing problem--again I think consistency with an outside routine is key--most always an 'accident' was MY fault not his when we were going through this stage. Plenty of exercise both physical and mental always helps IMO--have you taken him to any puppy training classes? Don't know if any of the above will help--but hope you will get through this new stage soon! |
| Peeing could be behavioral, but since it is a regression, you should make sure there is nothing physical going on. Be sure to take a urine sample to your vet, just to be sure. Depending on the vet, the timing of your last visit, and their policies, they may not need to do a physical unless the test results indicate a problem. It's also possible that seeing Giz but not being able to get to him is more frustrating than not seeing him at all. Good luck.  |
| Are you using a crate? If not, confine to a space that is just large enough to be comfortable. This way, most dogs do everything they can to avoid messing on himself. The larger the area, the further away the pup can remove itself from the source of the mess. Take any water source away around 8-9 pm. This helped a lot when we were first training. Try using an old towel as a blanket rather than a nice cushy dog bed. Easier to wash and less likely to absorb the mess. For most dogs, the last thing they want to do is get soaked in urine. (okay, there are exceptions...) Re-introduce the bed when he's completely trustworthy again. He may be teething right now so providing him with lots of toys like Nylabones or Kongs will help. When a puppy starts waking you up during the night after sleeping through for some time, he probably doesn't have a potty break on his mind. Try not to cave into the whimpering by letting him out. Chances are good that he just wants out to play. If you do get up and let him out, go straight out and be sure he goes. Then straight back into the crate without any fanfare. Good luck! Eventually it WILL click. It just takes time and a lot of patience.  |
| [/quote] Maggie McGee IV wrote: Are you using a crate? If not, confine to a space that is just large enough to be comfortable. This way, most dogs do everything they can to avoid messing on himself. The larger the area, the further away the pup can remove itself from the source of the mess. Take any water source away around 8-9 pm. This helped a lot when we were first training. Try using an old towel as a blanket rather than a nice cushy dog bed. Easier to wash and less likely to absorb the mess. For most dogs, the last thing they want to do is get soaked in urine. (okay, there are exceptions...) Re-introduce the bed when he's completely trustworthy again. He may be teething right now so providing him with lots of toys like Nylabones or Kongs will help. When a puppy starts waking you up during the night after sleeping through for some time, he probably doesn't have a potty break on his mind. Try not to cave into the whimpering by letting him out. Chances are good that he just wants out to play. If you do get up and let him out, go straight out and be sure he goes. Then straight back into the crate without any fanfare. Good luck! Eventually it WILL click. It just takes time and a lot of patience. Hi thanks for this but we are doing a lot of that stuff already. We don;t crate because basically our house is not that big to get a crate in where it wont interfere with our blind disabled young man. So the dogs have the Laundry space. This was great when I had the mature dog but this pup has been a bit of a pain in it. It isn;t as small as a crate but it is a small confined space. I took the bear out for a long walk tonight and we visited my sons and his two dogs. ( Girls) He was great with them and there was NO rough housing. As for getting up in the night. I tried to ignor the noise but I am mindful of having a very disabled boy in the house and it is hard to settle him once he is disturbed! UGH! If I ignor the cries Bailey is wet and dirty when I go to him. In the night I never fuss him it is always light on and I go to the sink and get a glass of water or anything else rather than go to him first( He is not important etc!) Then it is straight out to the yard and straight in again. I never fuss - (Mum of 4 kids - I know that trick!) I am not sure what else to do but walk more feed earlier and take the water source away so he isn;t over drinking. Oes - Thanks - oh and I forgot to mention he has loads of toys and I get him chewy things everytime I am at the store! For the teeth etc! |
| If it is regression and not a medical issue. You have to start all over with potty training, like he is 8 weeks old. I also agree with crate training. When you cannot watch bailey he goes in the crate. You need to be vigilant in correcting behaviors. If you are not around or occupied with something else, there is no way to correct the behavior. Consistency is the key. |
| Hate to ask but is there any way the Bailey boy can get more exercise? Being the hair licker and now this action makes me wonder if he is the type that needs a lot more exercise and mental stimulation. They do not become..........settled........until a year or two old. Mean time there's an explosive force of energy in there that needs to be drained or else other problems creep up. The old "a tired dog is a good dog" might help. |
SheepieBoss wrote: Hate to ask but is there any way the Bailey boy can get more exercise? Being the hair licker and now this action makes me wonder if he is the type that needs a lot more exercise and mental stimulation. They do not become..........settled........until a year or two old. Mean time there's an explosive force of energy in there that needs to be drained or else other problems creep up. The old "a tired dog is a good dog" might help. I think you might be right about needing more stimulation and excersize. I worry about that because over the last while it has been incredibly hard to do a lot of that kind of thing. Mainly because of hospital appointments for DH (dear husband) and Ds (dear son) also I have asthma and the Dr woould not let me walk out in the severe cold - so I couldn;t walk him a lot for a while there. I also have fibro which is incredibly painful at times. Which of course then I think why did I get a pup????? - Then I think of all the "rescues" I had and all the issues I wanted to avoid training up my own pup - I guess an older OES doesn;t mind if its walked one day or not. Murph didn;t care one way or the other just that he had games in the yard. Molly was the same and Pollyanna was blind and brain damaged so she kind of didn't have an oppinion! Bailey is 6 months old. He is a year younger than Murph was when I got him. - Bailey is a better boy already than Murph was at 18 months! I will need to walk out more and at least the better weather will help that. I want to teach Bailey to be a good disability dog which will take hours and hours but I think it will be good for both of us. THen I worry in case he gets sooo "fixed" on me he get to have seperation angsiaty which is soooo hard to break - Murph was really bad with that as he was such a coward and in the end quite a clingy old boy. I soooo miss Murph I could cry buckets Murph and me - I just loved him so much.  It will take a longtiem for Bailey to be mature and settled like the Murphalator was. Oes |
Oesdog wrote: SheepieBoss wrote: Hate to ask but is there any way the Bailey boy can get more exercise? Being the hair licker and now this action makes me wonder if he is the type that needs a lot more exercise and mental stimulation. They do not become..........settled........until a year or two old. Mean time there's an explosive force of energy in there that needs to be drained or else other problems creep up. The old "a tired dog is a good dog" might help. I think you might be right about needing more stimulation and excersize. I worry about that because over the last while it has been incredibly hard to do a lot of that kind of thing. Mainly because of hospital appointments for DH (dear husband) and Ds (dear son) also I have asthma and the Dr woould not let me walk out in the severe cold - so I couldn;t walk him a lot for a while there. I also have fibro which is incredibly painful at times. Which of course then I think why did I get a pup????? - Then I think of all the "rescues" I had and all the issues I wanted to avoid training up my own pup - I guess an older OES doesn;t mind if its walked one day or not. Murph didn;t care one way or the other just that he had games in the yard. Molly was the same and Pollyanna was blind and brain damaged so she kind of didn't have an oppinion! Bailey is 6 months old. He is a year younger than Murph was when I got him. - Bailey is a better boy already than Murph was at 18 months! I will need to walk out more and at least the better weather will help that. I want to teach Bailey to be a good disability dog which will take hours and hours but I think it will be good for both of us. THen I worry in case he gets sooo "fixed" on me he get to have seperation angsiaty which is soooo hard to break - Murph was really bad with that as he was such a coward and in the end quite a clingy old boy. I soooo miss Murph I could cry buckets It will take a longtiem for Bailey to be mature and settled like the Murphalator was. Oes Forgot to mention that both my twins are disabled and so is DH and I have Fibro, My sister has MS and my mum died this time last year she had post polio and parkinsons but died of a massive heart attack. So it is kind of well hectic! lol - Also DHs sisters partner just got diognosed with a massive brain tumour and has about 4-6 months to live - so we depend on the dogs very much! My sisters dog is very good at "helping her" but the OES dogs are not so good at "helping" lol. They are great with kids and the disabled though! Once they settle a bit. Ours have all been wonderful with the disabled boys. Bailey is great but as he is boustrous I worry about him bulldozing blind braindamaged folk over or our wee 2 yr old granddaughter! We needed a DOg that would be good with Asthma as I have it and so does my daughter. DH and my daughter both have heart issues and the twins brian damage. Thats why we got a breed that likes being a couch potato when we need them to be or will run and play and do exciting stuff wwhen we are well enough too! The oes dogs are great for that and also I love the grooming as it relaxes me a lot to do that. THey are a good breed for the handicapped - but I wish Bailey would learn to pick things up more that would be good! I guess it all takes time. It is easy to for get the little bear is so young still when he is already so big! Oes |
| I am sorry to hear you are having troubles. Maybe you could hire or have a friend help with exercise. I think if there is no medical issues lack of physical stimulating could be the problem. I never had any chewing issues with either of my pup. I kept them active. I didn't crate after there months either having a smaller home I understand they take up lots of room. So it can be done without issue. I always had them in the same room as me at all times. Do you have a treadmill I use one when I cannot get them outside. |
Six months old is a tough stage, we found doing lots of obedience work and re-enforcing all the training really helped. Our guy was testing the limits at this age and we had to be sure to re-enforce the good behaviours and almost re train daily. By the time he reached 8 months he had really settled and his listening skills improved vastly. As for the house soiling I would rule out any medical issues and make sure that he gets out frequently on a regular schedule. Our pup had some difficulty when we were late getting home and didnt stick to the schedule even at 6 months old he would have the occasional wee accident while we were out. . We both work different hours and tried to make sure somebody gets home before 5 but there were a couple days when that was impossible. If it is any consolation we stuck with the training and schedule as much as possible and he really seemed to get past that phase. My mum always points out that big dogs are expected to grow up faster, if a little toy dog was acting up it would be cute or not such a big deal, our guys are so big that you think they are grown up and should know better- remember they are still growing a d learning  Good luck! |
spacegirl21 wrote: I am sorry to hear you are having troubles. Maybe you could hire or have a friend help with exercise. I think if there is no medical issues lack of physical stimulating could be the problem. I never had any chewing issues with either of my pup. I kept them active. I didn't crate after there months either having a smaller home I understand they take up lots of room. So it can be done without issue. I always had them in the same room as me at all times. Do you have a treadmill I use one when I cannot get them outside. Yes we have a tred mill and also our grown up kids do help with excersize as they also have dogs and so there is plenty of stimulation and things going on but with the cold weather lately it hasn;t been good. - I know it would be a part of the issues. Pups need more work than older dogs and so I need to get my head round that as this is the first pup I have ever had. Youngest before was Murph came to me at 18months. OES |
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