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| Wow Devra! I wish my name was that clean!!! Google that name and NOTHING comes up. Nothing relating to anything! Not even a person search... Is that even a real name? Makes you wonder... Vance |
| Nothing here. Is she supposed to be a real breeder? Or just someone with an OES who wanted to breed a litter of puppies to sell? |
haha this thread comes up though  |
| So funny, I did the google search every way imaginable and came up with zero! Ultimately, I found out its a BYB in Kansas called RnB Sheepdogs. The usual, no health checks, no responsible breeding, but they hand raise the pups with the family and they only cost $1500. |
Sheepdogma wrote: So funny, I did the google search every way imaginable and came up with zero! Ultimately, I found out its a BYB in Kansas called RnB Sheepdogs. The usual, no health checks, no responsible breeding, but they hand raise the pups with the family and they only cost $1500. Yeah  I talked with a really nice older lady today, while we were manning our OES Club's booth at the big Pet Expo in Mpls today. She had OES for years, and they were very big, and very tall. And they had health issues. Oh, and some behavioral issues too. But they were good breeders they got them from, because they paid $1000 to $2000 for them.  |
| I got my OES from her. He is great. He is so sweet, he likes everyone. People, other dogs, even cats. Some of his other good qualities is he takes his time eating, is not aggressive, always happy and smiling. Everything went smoothly while dealing with Bethany. She is easy to get in touch with to ask questions.  |
| Oh boy. No health certifications................the 1st red flag. |
Big bucks now and health problems later, sounds like a deal to me. Hey, the health checks cost $$: hips, eyes, hearing to begin with. That's money out of the breeder's pocket! Who cares once the pups are gone, right?  |
| Forgive me for being dumb here,,,how do you know this person doesnt do these things? is there a way to find out? the health checks and stuff?? thanks. |
mable4ever wrote: Forgive me for being dumb here,,,how do you know this person doesnt do these things? is there a way to find out? the health checks and stuff?? thanks. There's a post a few above this one that mentions no health testing. |
mable4ever wrote: Forgive me for being dumb here,,,how do you know this person doesnt do these things? is there a way to find out? the health checks and stuff?? thanks. And not a dumb question. You can find out by logging on to www.offa.org. Plug in the kennel name or registration numbers of the parents & the test results show pup. Of course the best way to get the information is in the form of actual certificates from the breeder. As I tell everyone that contacts me "ask to see the actual health certificates". Any responsible reputable breeder will be happy to produce them because they take pride in what they breed & that they go the extra distance to have it tested & certified. Believe me, waiting on the results of those tesst can be very gut-wrenching. Your breeding plans can be obliterated quite quickly. |
| Thanks...another few questions---- She posts this on her site--Registered/registrable, Current vaccinations, Veterinarian examination, Health certificate, Health guarantee --They will be Vet checked and come with a one year health guarantee against any life threatening hereditary illness....Would you be so kind to explain what the above means? I do not have a clue what a health certificate verses health guarantee are and how they are different. Thanks you so very much for explaining to a possible new puppy in the future owner. |
| I really should leave this to the breeders here, but I see some things I question, sounds like legal boiler plate: Vet exam: they were seen by a vet Heath certificate: they aren't sick at time of exam. One year against life threatening hereditary illness........so if a hereditary illness shows up at 14 months, tough luck? Health guarantee.....for one year...nebulous at best. Current vaccinations, good Registered.........probably pure bred........registerable........probably pure bred. Registered is no guarantee of quality or free from any number of diseases and conditions OES are prone to. Which is why you do your homework, find out what certificate with national institutes on medical tests have been performed not only on the parents but also others in the lineage. A proud breeder will roll those out like "baby pictures," "Let me show you the line's health certificates for hips, hearing, eyes and whatever else they've had tested. 1. Hip Tests and certification from organizations such as: LSA, PennHip, ODC or the American Veterinarian Association. 2. Eye Tests: Cataracts and other types of eye illnesses can be hereditary; therefore, most breeders will eye testing and certify before allowing the dog to be bred. Progressive Retinal Atrophy - Progressive Retinal Atrophy is a group of genetic diseases is characterized by the bilateral degeneration of the retina, causing progressive vision loss culminating in blindness. The condition in nearly all breeds is inherited as an autosomal recessive trait. There is no treatment. 3. Cardiac Testing for congenital heart defect from their parents; furthermore, many types of dogs experience cardiac problems at relatively early stages in life. . 4. Thyroid Testing: big problem with OES 5. Elbow Testing: elbow dysplasia. Probably somewhere in the history banks here is a list of tests and the certification. Though Marilyn and others probably have that right off the end of their tongues. 6. Deafness - Deafness is the inability to hear in either one or both ears. There are breeders out there breeding deaf dogs. BAER test? 7. Cerebellar Ataxia - The term cerebellar ataxia is employed to indicate ataxia that is due to dysfunction of the cerebellum. Ataxia is a neurological sign and symptom that consists of gross lack of coordination of muscle movements. I've lost contact with testing for this, is it available? Even with the most careful breeder and umpteen tests with good passing "grades"....a sick pup happens. What happens then determines quality of breeder....and owner. |
| Thank you. I think my brain just exploded from all the info............processing......l...... ...processing...........processing.........BOOM  |
| Good response Susan. 1.Elbows...we usually have them done at the same time we have hips done. Although the data bank isn't as large on elbows it is still a worthy test to do. Ours go thru OFA for rating. 2. Yes! There IS a test out there for CA! We were in tears at the 2012 national when Dr. Olby made the announcement at the health seminar. OESCA had invested a lot of time, effort & money into the research. And the test is relatively inexpensive in the grand scheme of things. $59.00!!!!!! And the really good part is that if both parents test totally unaffected then the offspring will be unaffected via parentage & do not need to be tested! It opens up a whole new avenue for us in breeding as we don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water. Some of these results may not be up on the OFA site for one simple reason. Some of them require an additional fee to be listed. Some breeders may choose NOT to list the results for this reason. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the results available to show to prospective puppy buyers. For example, I had the MDR1 test done on the 4 dogs I have right now (for drug sensitivity). I happened to check the OFA site one day & noticed the results were not listed. I inquired about that & was told I had to send in an additional form & fee for them to be listed. I wasn't aware of that at the time of testing so I need to remember to do that here sometime soon. The important thing for a person looking to buy from a reputable breeder is to ask what testing has been done, ask to see the results & most importantly, know what the tests are for & why they are done. |
I was afraid of that  You have a much loved pup, concentrate on that and forget the "what ifs" If they happen, they happen and now you have an insight on how to possibly avoid it in the future........and there will be a future. OES and potato chips, just can't stop with one. |
| no puppy yet, still looking, that's why asking all the questions and I appreciate all of the informative answers. I am not looking to breed or show, just a best friend. |
mable4ever wrote: no puppy yet, still looking, that's why asking all the questions and I appreciate all of the informative answers. I am not looking to breed or show, just a best friend. Most of our pups go to companion home like you are mentioning. Reason being there just aren't enough people interested in giving us what we call a show home. The important thing to remember is even if you are not looking to show or breed, you still deserve to get the best tempered, healthiest, bred to the standard OES possible as your companion. After all, these puppies are always our companions 1st. If they make it into the show ring....well that's an added plus. That's why you need to ask questions & then study the answers. Sounds like you are doing your homework!  |
| As I sit with my two beautiful Old English Sheepdogs, whom were purchased from Bethany, I can tell you that she is a real person with real BEAUTIFUL Old English Sheepies. I have had zero health problems with my sheepies and would not hesitate to purchase more from her if and when the time comes. Love my RnB sheepies! I'm not a 'show snob' though. |
| I have 2 OES's from Bethanie. They are both incredible dogs and have no health issues. They are even-tempered, good with kids, loyal, and fun. I would definitely get another pup from Bethanie. |
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