I am drowning in Pooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
Little Bailey was doing really well toilet training and I grant you 98% of the time pee is on comand in the yard. But it is in the yard just outside the back door - he believes this is the place even if he has spent over an hour in the side yard where he is supposed to pee and poo. Not right behind the back door!!!! I have to do a lot of stuff early in the morning because I am a full time care giver. So I get up and put Bailey into the yard first thing. There is no poo or pee and I am pleased for the laundry room is clean! He gets loved on and then goes to the yard while I am showering and changing our disabled boy. 45 mins later he comes in and proptly craps on the laundry room floor!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!! In the evening I give him his dinner - the Kennel club say he should poo about 30 mins after food. So I get my coat while he is eating and come back to find he has pood on the floor Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! Sometime he hasn;t and I think great lets get out for a walk - one and a half hours later and freezing cold and soaking wet I returt having had umpteen numbers of pees and several poos on our travels. I settle down to thinking great he is comming on - take coat off turn round and there is a poo on the laundry room floor - ON PURPOSE!!!!!! Ahhhhhhh!!!!! Thing is I haven't punished him for badness DH thinks I should start smacking his nose now he is not tiny anymore. I clean the floors with Lemon cleaner because it is best for removing scent - even works on decomp - I do not use anything amonia based or bleaches as was reliably informed this turns your floor into a toilet. - So what am I doing wrong - I am seriously lossing my patience with the poo!!!!!!! Lucky for me he isn;t a roller or spreader but - he could learn OMG!!!!!! Dred to think. HELP save me I am drowning in pooooooooooooooooo!!!! And he still sometimes wets the bed! Giz is not happy! Sometimes WE BOTH WANT OUR OLD DOG BACK!!!! Giz and I miss MURPH!!!!!!! We are not that fond of Bailey right now. Oes |
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| Sounds all too familiar right now! Actually, Lyra is good about pooing outdoors. We let her out immediately when she wakes up and we always make sure she's pooped and peed very first thing. Forget what the Kennel Club says. Lyra poops a second time almost immediately upon eating her food. Sometimes she has to go before she finished her breakfast. It will differ between puppies. They key is, you HAVE to go out with your puppy and make sure he/she does his business. Every time. And please understand, a puppy doesn't do things like this intentionally. They just don't have the muscle tone at an early age to hold it very long. Smacking them for a mistake does absolutely no good. Tends to make them hide in a corner and go. Don't even correct them verbally unless you catch them in the act. This puppy thing is not for the faint of heart. But it does get better. Soon you'll have other puppy shenanigans to deal with!  |
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First, take a deep breath. Well, not in the poo covered area.....  Seriously, though, your instincts are correct in not punishing the accidents. All that will do is make him more anxious when you appear, because it is highly unlikely he will link your punishment with his housebreaking accidents. (Research shows that you have approx three seconds to punish or reward an act for a dog to connect the two things.) Just clean up the mess, no yelling, no drama. A dog does not instinctively know that he is supposed to potty outside. Inside is warmer and comfy, and equally as inviting as far as a dog is concerned. We have to communicate that when a dog goes out first thing in the morning, he is supposed to go potty. Otherwise he may spend the time outside smelling interesting things, barking at squirrels, playing, etc. And then come in the house and poop on the floor. Here's how I housetrained Oscar. I took him out frequently throughout the day, always on leash, so I had control. When he did his business, either peed or pooped, he got a "good boy" and the nummiest of treats (for him, freeze dried liver). With calmness and consistency, I kept doing this over and over, until he figured out that going potty outside meant treats, and going potty inside meant nothing. Also, while he peed or pooped outside, I gave him the pee or poop sign the whole time (he's deaf, otherwise I would just say the word over and over), and then he got his treat. It did not take long for him to come looking for me when he had to go out, and I could ask him if he had to go pee or poop. He barks to tell me.  This way I know if I need to bring a baggie with me.It takes some time in the beginning, as you have to always go out with the dog to give him his reward, and make sure he is doing his business OUTSIDE. Without that, there is no opportunity to reward immediately for the desired behavior and no way for your pup to link going potty outside with doing something good. If you simply reward when he comes in, all he knows is that he gets a treat when he walks in the door, whether he has pottied while he was outside or not. Anyway, this is what worked for us. Hope it helps. Laurie and Oscar |
| Yes you have to go out with the pup. Lily is trained to go pee and poo on command. Potty for pee, poo for poop. When potty training lil (In snow) when she was going, i would say the word over and over and over. When she was done, I would jump up and down and say in the happiest voice i could that she was a good girl. Going outside is the best thing in the world!!!!!!! yay puppy!!! |
Oscar's Mom wrote: First, take a deep breath. Well, not in the poo covered area..... Seriously, though, your instincts are correct in not punishing the accidents. All that will do is make him more anxious when you appear, because it is highly unlikely he will link your punishment with his housebreaking accidents. (Research shows that you have approx three seconds to punish or reward an act for a dog to connect the two things.) Just clean up the mess, no yelling, no drama. A dog does not instinctively know that he is supposed to potty outside. Inside is warmer and comfy, and equally as inviting as far as a dog is concerned. We have to communicate that when a dog goes out first thing in the morning, he is supposed to go potty. Otherwise he may spend the time outside smelling interesting things, barking at squirrels, playing, etc. And then come in the house and poop on the floor. Here's how I housetrained Oscar. I took him out frequently throughout the day, always on leash, so I had control. When he did his business, either peed or pooped, he got a "good boy" and the nummiest of treats (for him, freeze dried liver). With calmness and consistency, I kept doing this over and over, until he figured out that going potty outside meant treats, and going potty inside meant nothing. Also, while he peed or pooped outside, I gave him the pee or poop sign the whole time (he's deaf, otherwise I would just say the word over and over), and then he got his treat. It did not take long for him to come looking for me when he had to go out, and I could ask him if he had to go pee or poop. He barks to tell me. This way I know if I need to bring a baggie with me.It takes some time in the beginning, as you have to always go out with the dog to give him his reward, and make sure he is doing his business OUTSIDE. Without that, there is no opportunity to reward immediately for the desired behavior and no way for your pup to link going potty outside with doing something good. If you simply reward when he comes in, all he knows is that he gets a treat when he walks in the door, whether he has pottied while he was outside or not. Anyway, this is what worked for us. Hope it helps. Laurie and Oscar This is the thing - I do go OUTSIDE with Bailey! I stand there like an idiot for ages and I say go pee pee and he is brillient and does that - but simply wont do it when we go into the big side yard he "prefers" to do it in the small yard just outside the back door no matter how long I wait in the big yard with him. As for the poo - he does it outside and gets a treat then he comes inside and does another on the floor! This makes me very cross because I was in the darn yard getting frozen for NOTHING!!!! When I take him walks he is great we walk he pees on command brillient and eventually poops but when we get home he poos in the laundry and pees up the door! I am sooo AHHHHHHHHH !!!! Because I love my home and am so frustrated that he IS BAILEY!!!!!! Not my lovely good and trained beautiful trustworthy old Murph. - Sat and cried today because Bailey isn't Murph. Sometimes I think I am so wrong in having Bailey and I should find him another home. I feel I am not "bonding" and the more he poos on the floor and pees in the house and eats my expensive washing machine - well I am just "not feelin the luv"! In the mornings I am up to my eyes showering our disabled boy so I can;t "stay in the yard with Bailey"! I go out and stand with him and wait till he has a pee then praise him and put him in the big yard with GIz - that already sounds like I am wrong praising him for peeing in the wrong yard? Then I disapear to finish the boy because I can;t leave a 25yr old mentally handicapped boy in the shower unattended and I only have a limited time to get him ready for the bus to his adult day care. Then I can play with pup and do nice things but that bit of the day is for Dan and I simply cannot change that it's kind of written in stone here. Dan being a bit autistic has to have everything routine and same! I took Bailey for a good long walk tonight in the bitter cold and sleet. - I felt the need to try to "bond!" and Giz was curled up with DH in the warm on the sofa. ( Before anyone wonders DH is disabled and has had two heart surgeries in the last three years. SO pup is pretty much my responsibility Murph was my mate - so DH got me Bailey becuase I was so devistated over Murph. But I was always unsure of it.) It wont be "fixed" because Bailey is here. Thing is weve had 3 other OES dogs over the spance of all our married lives near 30 yrs. So why is this so different? I never had this issue before I just got on with loving the others who were all "rescues"! Bailey came from a fantastic home, an accredited breeder with great bloodline and all the paperwork and everythign in place. All my other Dogs were beaten and starved and ill treated or were the result of bad breeding. Like the Oes x wolfhound I once had. Simply - I don;t love Bailey do I? Sometimes I resent him being here to take attention from Giz. I feel horrible why can;t I just love him????? After our walk today he came home and within a half hour had pooped and peed all over the place. I am tired and upset. DH and I always say how much he is like Murph in manor and appearence. He is very like my Murph. SOmetimes I feel like I am betraying Murph because the imposter is laying on his bed and playing with his toys and eating from his bowl and chewing on giz! I wish I could just love him. Oes |
| One of the biggest mistakes people make with a new dog, whether an adult rescue or a puppy from a good breeder (or any combination of possibilities) is for that dog to be the same as their previous dog. We tend to only remember the best things about a dog now departed. It's normal. You have to start looking at Bailey as a clean slate. He's going to have some things in common with Murph but he is going to be his own dog. Not necessarily the problem puppy you see now because this, to me, is the worst phase of owning a pup. Remember: "This too shall pass!" Yeah, the poo does too! When I think back to the puppies we've had over the years, we got Winston back in 1981. In retrospect, he seemed easy enough. Nelson came along in 2005 and he was more difficult puppy but ended up a much better behaved dog with a super temperament. Housebreaking was a real chore and his destruction to new cherry kitchen cabinets, a love seat and shredded wallboard, baseboards and wallpaper made him rather unpopular at the time. We didn't crate train him and we attribute much of his naughtiness to that. Now we're firm believers of crate training and have crates everywhere. With Lyra, she's only 15 weeks or so now and her naughtiness probably hasn't really begun yet but we're dealing with the same potty training issues. We feel your pain! It's especially difficult with this winter weather and being that we're older, we don't have the patience that we did back in 1981 with Winston. Have you considered getting up a little earlier to feed and potty Bailey? That way it wouldn't upset your son's schedule and you'd still have time to get him ready for his bus. Try walking Bailey around the yard, even trotting around the yard, to get him to poop before and after his breakfast. And maybe you'll have time for an extra cup of tea as well?  We've found our morning routine revolves around the dog's schedule and until we're out of the housebreaking phase, we're completely resigned to losing some sleep.Keep working on the housebreaking and try hard not to compare Bailey to Murph. I think you'll grow to really love Bailey if you do. If not, discuss your feelings with your breeder. A good breeder will be understanding and helpful and may offer you some options. |
You've had all rescues? So they were probably older and had well developed plumbing?  And pathetically happy to see you because they already lost a home and didn't want to get bounced again? (my rescue is the only one of mine whose recall I'd truly trust, as she wets herself at the thought of losing sight of me) It's much easier to potty train something with muscular control, and it's much easier to train something with a mature brain, however fried. Well, OK, the fried part can make it hard depending on just how temperamentally challenged the dog is, but let's say for most run of the mill dogs. I'm going to tell you something that may hurt a little, but all of us who have taken on the responsibility of raising a puppy have been there and kicked ourselves solidly: everything he does wrong is YOUR fault. OK, now think about that a little and maybe you can stop resenting him. He needs to be trained. A puppy left unsupervised WILL eat things. They NEED to chew and they are easily bored. Granted, washing machines show a creative flair even my trouble-makers have yet to top, but the principle remains the same. He will potty inappropriately. He will stand out there and do nothing and then come in an poo (here's a hint - if you can let him run the poo will come much more quickly) He's obviously too young to be left unsupervised to poo and pee and chew. Is he crate trained? Supervised at all times when loose in the house and he'll never be able to get into trouble. Oh, he'll start to - but you'll be there to interrupt him. I have interrupted puppies in midstream, lifted them up (they startle and stop), carried them outside, plunked them down, encouraged them to continue and then had a little pee party. Puppies. Not for the faint of heart, for sure. And these days so few people have raised them, relatively speaking, that it seems to be a lost art. If you really feel you can't bond (walking isn't bonding, by the way - walking is puppy reading the landscape while you walk - you are rarely connected: the best way to bond is to actively train, little tricks, nice manners, whatever floats your boat) and the feeling of being overwhelmed lasts for more than a few hours, seriously consider giving him back to his breeder. I seriously considered giving Luna back to her breeder the day she ate one highlighter, one magic marker, an electrical plug (thankfully NOT plugged in), an electric outlet cover (seriously???) a sock AND a wash cloth...all in less than 15 minutes!!! Then I remembered: I AM her breeder!  Plus, it truly was my fault for not watching her. Her sister is much more trustworthy and I just sort of forgot myself, I guess. It happens. We're human. They're dogs. Thank dog they're forgiving and we're....well, I'm not sure what we are. Blessed with a short memory span I guess, or we'd never get another puppy. But frankly, there's nothing like it in my experience. But not everyone feels that way. You might be happier with an older dog? Kristine |
| To be honest - I got the best ever bonding out walking with Murph. - Gives you time together and I get to have him alone. One to one is a good thing. I like being out with Bailey and we do lead training and recall and stop , sit at the curb - stand wait move off comands. - Actually Bailey is a bit of an angel really. Got up this morning and NO pee and NO poo - took him to the yard and commanded pee pee and he did it. In the big yard I said Poop but he looked at me like I was insane and sat on his bum. I came in and went back to bed thinking ohhhhhh another poo on the laundry room floor. But when I got up an hour later NO pee NO poo took him to the big yard said poop and there it was so we had a bit of a poop party and all is forgiven. Actually Bailey is adorable. - I just miss Murph and I still cry a lot over him. When me and Bailey are out together we talk about Murph a lot. About things he liked and did and what Bailey hasn;t seen or done yet that we need to plan because Murph liked doing it or going there etc. - I am just very sad over Murph. - Murphs death hit me very hard as it came on the back of my mother passing away a few months before that. - My Mum died in Feb last year - I guess aniversary blues - it will pass. Our Breeder is lovely. - He did say to me while giving me a hug when I got Bailey that I had to stop grieving or I would not be giving Bailey a chance. He is right. But I still am very sad. - I do like Bailey being like Murph. Perhaps if he had of been very different I would not have liked him at all. Went down this morning and gave Bailey a big hug. The prospect of giving him back - well I resent him here but he is mine and I can;t imagine the house without him. - I don;t want another dog right now........ But I would swap him for Murph - if Murph came home for sure. I guess it will take time and I am expecting far too much from a baby who is only what just over 4 months old now. Today I feel - ummmmmmmmm a smigin of more than like - He poooped outside!!!!!  Oes . |
| Jacob had a lot of trouble bonding with Eevee when we first got her due to the whole housebreaking thing. He likes a very clean house, and smelly dog poo is not something he knows how to deal with very well (he didn't have pets growing up). So they were not friends for a very long time, but I kept reminding him that it has to end sometime. Right now, she's not 100% housebroken at just over a year old, but she has shown great improvement and when she does go in the house now, it's totally my fault. She needs to go out about every five hours now, or we're likely to find pee on the floor. She needs to go out as soon as she's done eating, or she'll poo on the floor. She can't hold it quite as long as my Bailey will, and sometimes I forget that. But yes, it was a nightmare housebreaking her at first. Poo on the floor every day. I refused to crate train her, because we were able to be home with her all the time. She chewed things while I slept, pooed on things (even on my playstation once  ), but now she is a lovely dog, she loves to cuddle and be with her people, she barks at strange noises for me, and even anti-puppy Jacob has grown to love her. I even have pictures of them cuddling So it gets better!!! He's still just a baby, housetraining takes a while. You'll get it eventually |
| The wee man ia curled up on the Laundry room floor. He looks so good right now! We don;t crate train Simply in the UK our homes are far smaller than in the USA. THe laundry room acts like a big crate and intheory is Dog proof - That is if your dog doesn;t take a liking to eating washing machines! I am getting about 3/4 hours between pees in the mornings. Which is great. He goes all night without peeing. But sometimes I get puddles on the floor. It is frustrating because he doesn;t let me know he wants to go! He is sooooooo quiet. We are in the house most day most of the time. Maybe the longest we are out in the daytime is about 5 hours. If we have to go to hospital visits or shopping which of course these things are not a daily occurance. Bailey is never alone because Giz is always with him My mornings are not easily changed because of Dans needs. Often DH and I are up in the nights to do night care so a 6am start in the morning is not going to work unless I want to die from exhaustion! Bailey is doing ok I am fond of the wee man - I guess love will grow over time. At least now we have proper restbite care for Dan - I can start to dedicate propper training times to pup. After all one day Dan will be in perminant care then I will just have DH and the dogs. Oes |
| Eevee has never really let me know, ever. We always had to watch her for signs of needing to go out, like sniffing around and whatnot. Now that she's got the idea that the house is not really for pottying, so long as I let them out often enough it's okay. I tried to teach them to ring bells when they wanted out, but it didn't work out. She was afraid to touch them! Silly pup. |
| Thanks folks this has all been a really good help - Bailey is now going out to the yard twice a day for poos and pees well used to be every hour more or less and a lot of puddles in between. ( He got a nickname puddles for a long time. But folks for best part of two weeks NO poos or Pees in the house at all! Though he has managed to eat the shed outside? Yes he has expensive culinary tastes as so far he has eaten a shed and the washing machine! Ugh! - The low point was the Washing machine and I wonderered if I had indeed made a mistake - it was a very difficult time and I really got upset that my good old responsible dependable Murph had turned into a reckless pup!!!! At the moment we are facing another issue and that is Jealousy from the Schnouzer. It was not an issue when Bailey was Schnouzer size but now it is becoming a problem. Gizzy has gotten fed up with being Bailey personal chew toy. I can understand that as Bailey goes to sleep sucking Gizzy's ears which are getting very wet and I am sure uncomfortable. I was wondering if I could put something anti chew on them like MUSTARD! To put Bailey off. The other thing is I can;t give them a treat or a chew stick if they are int eh same area together as Gizzy takes Bailey's from him and has actually growled at him a few times - I don;t like that one bit because I hate agression in dogs. Murph was very hard to deal with like that. Giz has never shown any aggression before but now I guess he is getting his snout out of joint because the little bear is getting bigger. Lately walking has also been an issue - I am worried about this because I so wanted to do more lead training befor ethe wee man got bigger. But I have been very unwell with one cold after another and then Asthma on top. Also my elbow joints and wrists are extremely sore right now. So tugging doesn;t help my limbs. It has been freezing cold here and rain most every day. My Gp says I am not to walk out in the cold because of the Asthma and the chest. Dh can;t walk the wee man - only Giz a bit because he has ballance issues with the spine collapsing his leg and hand give way so he can;t go out without someone with him. - all very worrying. I can;t wait until the better weather because I feel it isn;t fare on Bailey - I want him to see the sea and go on the long walks we used to enjoy with Murph. Lately Dh just sits and watches me walk but still it is nice anyhow. But I haven;t been allowed to walk out for weeks in this cold. I worry about the affect on the wee man. He seems to take it in his stride. - It doesn;t seem to bother him much at all but it bothers me more. I guess the breed is a good breed for that as when Dan our disabled boy was ill on and off over the years the Oes dogs in the past never bothered if they got out or not as long as they got to play in the yard - but it's not the same as a good long walk with good excersize and lead training. I am just glad Oes dogs can be lazy lumps - thank the lord he isn;t a springer! Oes |
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