Apparently Sheepdogs aren't stubborn, they are just dumb.
Leonard went on to do all of the exercises in the class like a champ, he was very focussed and proving that he is in fact very smart and can learn things very quickly. Off to practice our buts off so we can show off his smarts next week too. |
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| You know he's really just setting you up for an epic fail next week, right? Caitlyn does this to me in a regular basis. Just givin' you a polite heads-up... Vance |
Vance wrote: You know he's really just setting you up for an epic fail next week, right? Caitlyn does this to me in a regular basis. Just givin' you a polite heads-up... Vance That tends to be true unfortunately (Sybil!!!)  But let's all hope he bucks the trend.Breed bias. Annoying. Enough said. You show'em, Leonard! Kristine |
I have heard similar things and it always makes me want to punch people. I know, not very ladylike, and I don't ACTUALLY punch them, I just think about it. Is the trainer the owner of the place? I would at the very least complain about the snotty comments-it certainly doesn't make that trainer look very good. I am shaking my fist at them for you!!  |
Vance wrote: You know he's really just setting you up for an epic fail next week, right? Caitlyn does this to me in a regular basis. Just givin' you a polite heads-up... Yea, last time (Level one, different instructor) the first class went perfect and then the second class it was like he finally noticed he was in a room full of dogs and people and that was REALLY exciting and distracting. So I am prepared for this eventuality, thankfully he is past the accidents on the floor stage as in his puppy class that was an embarrassing event. I just didn't like the way she told everybody else how great their dogs were then called Leonard stupid before class even started. Oh well, it is going to be a good class as it is mostly hands on working with your dog which is always fun. It seems to be a good group too  I believe the trainer is the owner. She brought out her dog at one point and asked us all to hold on to our dogs tightly as if one of our dogs approached her dog it would be a "red alert problem" as her dog tends to be quite dog aggressive around puppies (most dogs in the class were Leonard's age). Leonard tends to fall asleep during the people talking parts so he didn't get attacked. Phew. I think she knows her stuff as far as the doggy classes go, just doesn't seem to like OES dogs very much. Or maybe she doesn't like pure bred dogs? Some people do take issue with the whole dog breed thing. |
| Also, her company does grooming too... you'd think she would LOVE sheepdogs and all of the billable hours they could potentially rack up. |
bruuruu wrote: Also, her company does grooming too... you'd think she would LOVE sheepdogs and all of the billable hours they could potentially rack up. haha The people around me have been good, but LOTS face the "dumb fluffy dog" stereotype  Thank goodness I had Chewie to show our local area dog people their 1st active sheepdog in classes...they actually think the opposite - that sheepdogs are wonderful, hard working and dedicated to their human, and can do virtually anything!  Poor Bond has a LOT to live up to, or we have to might have to admit the whole super dog OES thing is a fluke.  |
got sheep wrote: Poor Bond has a LOT to live up to, or we have to might have to admit the whole super dog OES thing is a fluke.  Gotta love high expectations. In my experience they are usually well founded, either that or when I have high expectations I work hard to make them become reality. But really... how many other super dogs double as a pillow? |
| Poor Bond.......but I suspect he'll come thru and carry on the tradition. |
Mady wrote: I have heard similar things and it always makes me want to punch people. I know, not very ladylike, and I don't ACTUALLY punch them, I just think about it. Is the trainer the owner of the place? I would at the very least complain about the snotty comments-it certainly doesn't make that trainer look very good. I am shaking my fist at them for you!! I'm with Kim. Even if thats the owner, I would let her know that her remarks are not appreciated. I have one of the sslloowweesstt learners on this planet but by gosh when the light bulb goes off he never forgets. And than we have Simon. He personifies STUBBORN. He catches on fast, but you better have a darn good reason for asking him to do something. |
| My first agility instructor said that to me as well. "Oh an oes, ADD and not that smart" We are at another club now.  This club has told me that Tiggy would be awesome if I put more time in training her  They are right!! But in my defence I have no space at home, no decent facility in the area and I work full time. But it's interesting to have the different perspectives. a) oes aren't smart versus b) Tiggy is smart, you as the handler are letting her down. |
Mim wrote: But it's interesting to have the different perspectives. a) oes aren't smart versus b) Tiggy is smart, you as the handler are letting her down. Substitute Sybil and you have my current agility instructor vrs almost every instructor who went before her. Think there's a connection with her attitude and Sybil & Mace both earning an AKC agility invitational invite last year?  Yes, we have to pick our instructors carefully whenever possible. Kristine |
| I think she's just jealous because she doesn't own such a "show stopper" breed. |
| Soooooo irritating!!!! The OES as "stupid" is definitely a bias the owner should keep to herself. Both of my OES were better behaved than any of the 100 or so Labs in my neighborhood. I like how Pam described her two.  Oscar is like Simon. Stubborn and SMART!!!! He could learn to do brain surgery if kibble were involved! And I had so-called experts tell me that a deaf OES is practically untrainable. (Oscar will fall asleep in a "down-stay" before he'd risk losing out on nummies.)Years ago, my SIL and her hubby got an OES puppy. For two years, my BIL insisted that Murphy was the dumbest dog he had ever seen. Wouldn't do anything you asked. After two years, the light bulb went on and my BIL realized that he had been outsmarted by a sheepdog. Murphy had trained my BIL. Then he fell in love with the breed, and they rescued another one.Laurie and Oscar |
| I have always said it takes a lot of brains to act so stupid. They learn just as well as other breeds,it depends on if they want to show they know in public!!. Sprocket can be perfect with just me or with friends etc-get into class and it's like "I don't think I'll bother today mum". One class I attended only seemed to like the labs that were going to go on to her gun dog class.x |
| Well, I'm sure that is the proper way of someone asking "would you like your money back for this class?" Seriously though. Wow some people. Why would she bring a severely dog aggressive dog to class? It all seems like a (as she put it) "red alert situation". What good trainer would set up several dogs to fail in the same class? |
| I'd be letting her know you didn't appreciate her comments and she should keep them to herself. You go Leonard, show them how smart and stubborn sheepies can be. |
AnInnocentEvil wrote: Well, I'm sure that is the proper way of someone asking "would you like your money back for this class?" " . . . because I'm such a poor trainer, I can't handle anything outside my cookie-cutter mindset." And her own dog is severely dog-aggressive? And she brings it into the first class, when she has NO idea how well the students handle their own dogs yet? Sounds like she needs to re-evaluate her definition of "dumb." Get a refund, and go to another trainer. |
It's funny but my middle fingers on both hands automatically wet up to this trainer  Can't imagine how that could possibly happen Dogs are like people, different personalities and learning curves. would this person call a child "stupid" if he or she didn't respond immediately? It's called TRAINING for a reason!!! I think we all know who the stupid one really is  |
| I spoke with my friend who referred me to the class this morning. She was shocked, apparently she had a completely different experience with this trainer and the "dog aggressive dog" was never labeled as such in her class (she took the same class last year). Who knows what the issue is, apparently she isn't teaching the whole course and was only filling in for the instructor who was supposed to be there. Hoping that the next class is as awesome as my friend who referred me to the place claims it should be. Leonard did a sit stay for me when I got home today, it was impressive because he was SO excited to see me. I walked six feet away and he was squirming but stayed sitting and watched me until I said "Break". At which point he turned back into his silly, excited 7 month old puppy self. He's got half of his homework done already! |
| My next door neighbour asked me why would I get an OES. She said "they're just so dumb". She should have kept her opinion to herself. I'm loving my OES! |
| I haven't had any negative responses to Monty yet accept one man asked does he bite? I was dumbfounded I said "Why would he do that?" He didn't have an answer. In Calgary everyone thinks he is cute but Calgary is also a polite city where people keep their thoughts to themselves so who knows what they are actually thinking Monty is more focused that some in the agility class but I am waiting for his adventurous side to come out where he does a crazy dash randomly around the course, he's already done a mini dash up the ramp and to the door |
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