More females than males?

At the shows ive been to, there seems to be a lot more oes in the female classes than in the dog classes (correct me if im wrong :plead: )
Do people tend to show female oes more than male? Or are female oes more popular? Or does it just depend on who is showing who?


Yes i kow its another of my "random" thoughts :P
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It depends, I think.

As a breeder your bitches are your kennel and your line's future. So most keep bitches first and foremost. And since most of our breeders these days keep very few dogs for any number of reasons, keeping dogs (males) is a luxury they often can't afford. Consequently, odds there have probably been any number of nice boy dogs sitting neutered on some pet owner's couch, which does the breed no good. For years and years this has been borne out around here, with more bitches in the classes than dogs. Same as what you're seeing on your side of the pond. But lately that's been changing. Not sure if it's statistical blip, and I'm also not sure why except perhaps we have a few more newcomers to showing, but not breeding, than we used to: exhibitors who are primarily showing for the sake of showing, not so much with breeding in mind, and in that case a male probably makes more sense, or at least is a more neutral factor. (Off the top of my head, think Cindy and Teddy, in some ways Dawn and Bond etc)

At least I hope that's what's happening as opposed to this being another sign that the number of active breeders has further declined in this area. :twitch: Time will tell I guess.

Kristine
In Canada we've seen drastically declining numbers of oes in the show ring. I've been to a few shows this year but haven't been showing since last spring due to my own health issues and subsequently financial issues from missing work. What I've been seeing and hearing however is there is generally only one male special, always the same one, occasionally 2 male specials, rarely any class dogs, male or female, but if there are class dogs they are usually bitches. Not more than one or two though most of the time. I haven't had pups in almost 2 years (due to above mentioned issues, wasn't in a position to keep or show anything) so I don't have anything to show presently but I am planning on getting a bitch puppy this spring and will show her. It's getting more and more difficult to show oes because of the huge expense and little reward. No entries means no points to be had. When showing a young dog especially it's harder to get adult group placements, not impossible but not easy, and that's the only way to get points if there are no other oes. Showing a bitch puppy up against a 4 or 5 year old male special who has been heavily campaigned is difficult, no chance of group there.

I think we see trends that cycle... I do think we'll see more class bitches in Canada this year... or at least I hope so.
It does really vary.
Our show this weekend was 6 OES total (an all breed show)- 3 young class males (Bond was the oldest, at 14 months), 1 adult class female, and 2 female specials.

One in November was 3 males, 2 females and 1 male special and 1 female special. (another all breed show)
I hear you, Stacey. It's probably still a little easier to find class competition south of the border, depending on where you live, but I'm looking at shows thinking: close enough to home, good judges, do I throw in an entry given that there may very well not be any competition, ergo may as well flush entry fees etc down the toilet. or...? :lmt: We don't get points for group placements, only for group wins, which is a rarity for a class bitch or dog.

Granted, there's no guarantee you'll win even if you can find a class entry, but at least you know you have a shot at it. One of the reasons regional specialties with supported entries have become so critical - only prayer in hell of finding a major in this area. Hopefully things will start to turn around some :crossed:

Kristine
When I went to the show in Orlando a few weeks ago, my first to ever watch, while I was touring through the OES grooming area the people there were saying there were only 12 OES competing and the majority were males.
My experience so far is very limited, however I have found boys more common. I have been thinking there's a trend towards the really big, puffy boys. When they're all puffed out for the ring, some of those boys can look huge! We'll see how my lil' Gracie does this year! :wink:
violet wrote:
When I went to the show in Orlando a few weeks ago, my first to ever watch, while I was touring through the OES grooming area the people there were saying there were only 12 OES competing and the majority were males.


Violet, I'm thinking that was probably the Eukanuba invitational, so not just any show - yes? If so, that may be a bit misleading, numbers-wise, as the dogs invited would have mostly if not exclusively been breed champions and this is where you mostly see males anyway - they tend to be bigger, hairier etc, so there tend to be more of them being specialed compared to bitches (plus, let's face it, unless they are also performance dogs, it's not like that have anything else to do with their time, such as carry forth, give birth to and raise the next generation ;-) ) Few class dogs go on to be specialed - it's incredibly time consuming and expensive, plus a lot more political than at the class level. Though there are probably a few more dogs being specialed than we used to see, at least in more limited, local fashions, since the AKC introduced the grand championship.

KB
Baba wrote:
My experience so far is very limited, however I have found boys more common. I have been thinking there's a trend towards the really big, puffy boys. When they're all puffed out for the ring, some of those boys can look huge! We'll see how my lil' Gracie does this year! :wink:


Don't worry - bitches are still supposed to look feminine ;-)

KB
Plus it also depends on how many and what sexes have been produced in the litter. They may have wanted a boy, but only bitches were born or the other way around. Or there were equal numbers of each in the litter but the boys had the edge rather than the girls.

I personally love either, both and all. But as I am looking forward to my next generation I need to keep girls. However, we also need lovely boys to move the breed forward. I do, however, like my girls to look pretty and my boys to look like a boy - sounds easy, but there are a few certainly in the UK who dont look the sex they are.
I like the boys myself as they are bigger & tend to be lay back you more as the girls are more independent
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