Sudden aggression
I let Bloo off lead to do tunnel, he straight away ran straight over to bark (male collie x) and backed him into the corner and started being dominant/snappy at him. He didnt bite or cause harm, buhe still stood up to him. We took him straight home after that i cant go back now. I was speaking to my trainer about it last night and how i feel. She told me that bark is an entire male therefore bloo fighting for dominance. I told her bloo has had bad experiences as a puppy with being attacked by other males, so now i suppose hes matured hes not going to back down anymore. cant have him going for peoples dogs like that, i was really upset that night. Apparently there is an injection which the vet can give. Its like neutering but without neutering him, the injection will see if neutering him would make any difference. If he has it and it makes no difference then i know theres no point neutering him. Point is he cant start becoming aggressive towards other males. Bloo is the biggest dog in the class therefore he will cause damage. My trainer reassured me, she told me her story. She said she had an entire male collie ans it was out to kill. She said he was just like bloo at his age and he would run off everytime she let him off lead. She said he would go along the line and pick the biggest dog to fight with. she tolld me that on the way to bark, bloo eyed up eddie but because eddies only tiny he would have thought it was too easy target, so he chose bark. And because there was 2 females in the room too, bloo would be saying "hey, back off these girls are mine" etc etc... All she told me to do is be consistant, give bloo a break from agility and get him injected to see if it makes a difference. I told her i feel stupid and how i dread to think what people think of me, but she said how ive done nothing wrong and noone thought i was stupid. Apparently after i left the owners were more concerned about me and how upset i was more than what happened. The trainer told me ive done nothing wrong and that bloo is only doing what is natural for him to do. 2 entire males in the same room doesnt work well... Bloo has NEVER done that before i was so shocked  I know im going to get some negative replies back but i need to stay strong and take the critism thanks.  |
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| It sounds to me like that with all your previous posts and what your trainer said that it isn't sudden aggression. Are you going to show him? Breed him? If he truly is that aggressive, you shouldn't be doing either and paying for injections that chemically neuter him to see if it will make a difference. Doesn't make any sense. He should be neutered anyways. Why waste the money on injections? It sounds like Bloo is also not ready for a group environment yet and should be worked more with one on one sessions. One on one with you and trainers. Next, just with one other dog in a completely controlled environment and so on and so forth. Working his way up to a group. I'm not trying to be mean. This is just one opinion. (I am dealing with lily's sudden fear with ppl and out of nowhere trying to attack two pups. Before I do anything, I am getting Lily's blood work done and a health check to make sure there isn't a medical reason for her sudden odd behavior.) |
| I agree, he's almost 18 months old, and while I don't believe neutering will solve any of his behavioural issues it will at least take testosterone out of the equation and may make it easier for you to train him. It's not trainers and classes he needs, he needs someone in your house to take the dominant role with him as it sounds like he has taken this role on himself and it is only going to escalate. Classes and trainers can help YOU learn but that's the main thing you need to stick to, you or someone else in your family really has to take the lead and not cater to his behaviour anymore. Consistent, firm, all the time, not just when in a class environment. Good luck |
| Sam, you do a fantastic job with Bloo!! Dont be so hard on yourself. You are still young, and Bloo is a typical male dog. If you think of a teenager in a hoodie. That is Bloo. He is in a room and looks round...Wow, those girls look a bit of alright....Oh crikey there is another teenager in the room I will show off the girls will think I am so cool! get the drift? If he was mine, I think I would have him neutered, sorry Bloo! ouch! No one at the class thought bad of you I am sure. They all have dogs and we know how unpredictable they can be. Summer is the mildest of girls, but when she is in season she is a moody madam. I keep meaning to get her spayed but just cant really afford it. Chin up Sam we all have off days xx |
| Were you at the end of the tunnel to catch him coming out...or did he not go in. I would have hauled his butt over to the corner and told him off, and then apologize for his behavior and take him out of there. Fun's over. You can't behave, you can't have fun. Don't stop going just because he's a jerk. You just have to watch him closely and remove him if he can't behave. |
| Bloo always runs loopy every week and usually goes up to dogs. I have to run the opposite direction to get him to come back. (he chases me with toy) That night the trainer held him by the tunnel n i had to get him to drive into it from a distance. He ran around it not through it n then ran round like a loony as usual, so i ran off to try n get him back...obviously didnt work. Luckily helen (the other trainer) was next to them n she yanked him off. Then he ran loopy again as i tried to catch him. Luckily he stopped for a poop so i got him back on lead then and left immediantly. Im sorry but Bloos obviously tired of it and would rather be a ... and i to be honest dont enjoy it anymore. As for the injection, im having it so that i can see whether or not it makes a difference. If it does i know to neuter if not whats the point. I can make my decision from there. Yes i want to show Bloo, from the day i got him which is why i bought a dog with perfect black white solid show markings. Difference is all the dogs are on leads n not running wild, and bloo is more calm that way. It wil also do him good getting used to strangers touching him, because he usually doesnt like certain areas of him being touched. Bloos my decision, if i make the wrong choices to some people, i have to put it right. Im not going to let a spat get in our futures way. Ive been determined from the start with bloo and thats what i shall continue doing, it was so hard for me to tell my trainer how i felt, turned out im just paranoid. |
| Can you work with him on a leash at agility? It's a little harder to maneuver around, but it gives you the security of knowing he can't run off as long as you can grab the lead before he gets too far. We started with Bailey on a leash, tunnels are difficult for her, she never wants to go through them (even jumped on top of it once lol). There were a couple times when I was worried that she would have run off if I didn't have her on a leash, particularly when we first start at class, then once she gets going and everything else stops being so darn interesting, she does great off leash. Another thing is, our training place made a point of saying that the training place is not for doggy playtime, they're expected not to bother the other dogs or play with them or interact with them pretty much at all (except for the puppy classes). I don't know how your classes work but that's how it is at ours. They also don't recommend starting agility until after 2 years old since they're still young and crazy up to that point. I think maybe Bloo will get over this whole stubborn crazy phase, maybe get some things to work on at home while you wait for him to get over it or ask if you can come train on the equipment at your classes on days separate from everyone else. Our class has the training area and the sitting area separated from one another so that if the dog does go running off, they can't just run right up to whatever dog they want (at least not without jumping the fence that separates them), I like that especially since Bailey's got aggression issues. I think what Bloo really needs is a good on-leash foundation and to learn that he has to respect you cause you're the boss, not him! You can't let him think he's the boss, or he'll act like he is. I like what AnInnocentEvil said, "It sounds like Bloo is also not ready for a group environment yet and should be worked more with one on one sessions. One on one with you and trainers. Next, just with one other dog in a completely controlled environment and so on and so forth. Working his way up to a group." I think that's great advice right there. Just get back to where he will listen to you really really well, then add in distractions like other dogs gradually. As for what other people think of you, don't worry about it! Everyone remembers that first pesky dog they had that just never listened and was a total pain in the butt (and if they haven't, then I doubt they have never had a sheepdog or any other stubborn dog and their opinion doesn't matter  ). Dogs aren't always easy to train, it takes a lot of work and it's really a learning experience, you have to find out what works for you and what doesn't. I felt like I was pretty decent at training my dogs, since my family's had dogs since I was young and I always got to take part in training them, but then I meet people like Dawn and most of the other people at nationals who have all these dogs that listen basically all the time (or at least in front of other people, for all I know those dogs are total crazies at home  ) and it really puts my training to shame, but I also have to remember they have years and years more experience than I do and they had to start somewhere, too! If we all just gave up cause our first dogs wouldn't listen to us, there wouldn't be a whole lot of people who have dogs. I hope you see some improvement in his behavior after the injection, it's probably best to get him neutered anyway, if he doesn't really like being touched in some places and he's a bit aggressive, that's probably not something he'd be suited for. I know you really wanted to show him, but if the injection helps him behave better it will be better for you, and better for him cause you won't be so stressed and frustrated with his behavior and he won't be putting himself in bad situations. If it doesn't help, you'll just have to continue looking for other ways to get him to listen! Good luck to you though |
| The horror story's I could tell you before Simon decided that maybe I was better than chasing other "running" dogs...or just running around like a nut dog. I still have to work hard to keep him focused on me(or rather the food I have in my hand). He's SO much better then he used to be but at times its a struggle. If I wasn't so darn competitive, I would have given up long ago. |
| Guess most of us have been there and I remember embarrasing things with previous dogs but at the time of them misbehaving your mind goes blank to past problems and I lost confidence when Sprox played up in training class,haven't been back since,was a tricky class to get to and didn't "feel welcome" there.x |
| Im sure im not the only one going through this. And im sure many others have with older dogs that they just cant remember about. Yeah its embarrasing but at least ive got him under control in the courts and not letting him run riot around the field upsetting other peoples dogs lie some do. I know its hard but ive got to stay positive and stick with it. Bloo is a tough cookie hes a stubborn mutt but thats him and im not changing his personality, ive just got to sort out his dominance. I strongly believe theres a difference between aggrrssion and dominance. Bloos dominant, you can tell by the body language. From doing my college course im learning more useful info My aunties coming up tomorrow for 2 days with her dog...She isnt very dog friendly and shes not spayed... im hoping shes not either in season or coming into/out of season. It could turn bad. But on the other hand shes not male so bloo shouldnt be too bad besides getting over the top and trying to mount her... ah its going to be caos at nans house next week. Mom works full time so bloos got no choice but to go to nans during the day, n my aunties coming to nans too. Normally bloo barks none stop and bites and jumps everywhere when shad comes. He gets so excited. Hopefully he wont do anything or else well be trying to get rid of puppies. Hmmm it would be an interesting mix. OES, Border Collie, Lurcher, Springer Spaniel. |
| Post some photos of Bloo and Shadow, not wrestling... Tell Angie I said hi! Vance |
Actually Sam, it would be wonderful if your aunt's dog gives Bloo a good set down...nothing better than a dog who won't take his crap and give him something back. It just might make him think twice before he tries that behavior with the next dog. Dogs do this so much better than we can ever try.  |
Sorry vance i forgot my phone, ill get some pics tomorrow  Actually he wasnt naughty. He was just...normal. Shadow isnt the friendliest doggy dog towards other dogs. She snarls/snaps when bloo gets too close etc..but im wondering if its more nervous than aggression. Bloo just torments her, he stands by her/sniffs her to make her growl at him. He thinks its a big game. I really dont think he understands dogs lol. He is dense for a dog, bloo would be one of them boys with worms in their pockets n ripped jeans if he was human. He doesnt get the message. 'grrrrrrrrrrr argherrrrrrr grrrrr!' means 'go away n leave me alone' not 'carry on' Bloo is a wind up artist, he does it on purpose.Once they settled they were playing fetch in nans garden, or should i say i threw the ball, shadow chased it and bloo chased shadow lol. One thing is good bloos fast asleep |
| That's the same as when Ted (middle son's dog-he moved back home with a dog!) Sprox chased Ted who was playing ball-wore them both out. When Dougal is round-Sprockets litter brother,all hell breaks loose now and then,Bits of fur sometimes fly but they sort it and take in turns as who winds who up.x |
| Hi I have and Old English sheep dog also, Hes my best friend in the world and hes deaf.. Did you ever consider this or have him checked..sometimes people really cant recognize when a dog is deaf. So we automatically think the dog defiant.. So hope this helps.. My Oliver is wonderful! |
| Welcome clblxs1, Thanks for the suggestion! Hey, why not join us here on the forum? Registration is free, safe and easy, and we're not usually very aggressive. |
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