questionable breeding?
 The lady that is doing puppy classes mumbled something under her breath about Tuc not having good breeding, she said something about him being too angular  and that his coat is changing color too soon....although everything i've found out about his lineage has been very favorable and several of the pups from these two parents have been shown, now im really curious......
this lady is my vets receptionist, and made the comment when i took tuc in for the first time that they havent seen one of those in years, and she does raise and breed, but not OES, actually, the type of dog she does show is a mid size dog (memory fails me at the moment of breed) but he doesnt look any different from the pics i've seen of dogs his age in the photos on here, going thru another awkward stage maybe???? i've been looking for a while now to find someone in this area that deals with show sheepies and what not, should i just forget any plans to show him? or wait and continue my quest for a sheepy guru in this area??? |
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| Sounds to me like she is similar to a female dog in name sake and snooty to boot. I would locate a local sheepdog judge and ask them. Go to the AKC website search around find a judge near you, drive the 2 or 3 hours and let them evaluate your dog. Or find a reputable breeder that shows for the same thing. |
| What's the big deal lately about OES lineage? If you love your dog and provide for it why does it matter who the dam and sire are? Not every dog is show quality and so what....most people only want a pet anyway. I say enjoy him and what he adds to your life. |
| Amen! |
Gee, Pooey on lineage...it's reeeeally all for the love of a sheepie/sheepiex 
Diane |
| Don't forget the key words that you said: "she does raise and breed".
Breeders are frequently very fond of their own lines, and their own breed's standards, and she may be unfamiliar with the OES standard, and even if familiar with the standard, may not be qualified to judge it. While she may be right or wrong, I wouldn't let the comments of your vet's receptionist choose your path in life. |
| Lineage........breeding.........Sire............Dam..................hmmmmmmmm PLEASE, DON'T ANYONE tell Tasker I'm not his REAL mother |
| Not that I know anything at all about showing...my two cents:
1) you have a puppy...always changing in size, coat 2) vet asst are helpful to take appts, and give needles, etc...NOT to tell you about breed specifics in a breed they do not OWN. 3) You have enough history on parents and siblings of past to feel confident to try and show your puppy...Let the real judges tell you...esp in a class of other sheepies. 4) people are jealous when it comes to something prettier than what they have...think 6 th grade=D 5) show him and have fun, it will be an incredible bonding and fun experience...but don't take it hard if your pup does have a fault, he is and will always be a beautiful dog. |
| She sounds "catty" to me.
You have to have a thick skin to get into showing unfortunately. I try to listen to everything anyone has to teach me, whether I agree with them or not, as we are always learning. You have to decide what to take to heart and what not to. Contructive criticism is one thing, however if she is not going to talk to you face to face and be open and honest about what she thinks and why, then I wouldn't pay any attention to what she mumbled. Perhaps have a judge go over him and evaluate him, around 6 months of age I would suggest. |
| *Sigh* What the heck is with people these days anyway? I can't believe that she'd just mutter it under her breath, as if she just had to let that little gem of information out? I don't know anything about showing, but I do know quite a bit about jerks. There's no reason to make someone feel like there's something wrong their dog (or anything for that matter) that to them, is perfect, particularly when it isn't done in a way that can be constructive.
If it were an option, I'd quit her puppy classes-- and let her know why. You're there teach your dog obedience, not get critiqued by a vet's receptionist. Sorry, it just makes me mad for you! |
| Ohhhh Taskers mom your line just cracked me up!!
Jst2cute- Wish I could use an Italian accent and say "forget about em!" Doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks, (although I realize it's hurtful) - your pup is the most special one on earth to you and is perfect. Marianne and the boys |
ty everyone, I wasnt sure if I was just being too sensitive, cuz your right, thats my baby, and to me he will always be perfect!!! it wouldnt matter what was going on with tuc...unconditional love goes both ways......but him being shown will make a difference on him getting clipped, in more ways than one lmao  |
| Is that the only vet in town? I'd go somewhere else or else let the vet have a piece of my mind. |
| Just my two cents worth!! Don't ever let anyone else steal your dream-- especially someone who doesn't even know you--you go for it!! You will never know if you don't try--then if in the process you find out that your "perfect" puppy isn't show material you will know that you both gave it your best shot-- and he will still be YOUR perfect puppy!! And who knows he may end up a champion.
If what you want to do is show him- follow your heart- the experience is what will count in the end. |
| I'm not sure how old Tuc is but if the lady "raise & breeds" any type of dog they should know better than to comment about body structure of a puppy. My dog was not shaped well for show at even 9 months but now at 15 months he has really grown into his body and will show well for the standard.
Even though the lady is involved with another breed, it is not difficult to memorize what other breed standard shapes are. OES is all about squares, Irish Setters triangles, Norfolk Terriers parallelograms, etc. Also, regarding you questioning that your puppy came from "show dog" parents. Pretty much any purebred sheepdog can become a show dog if it doesn't have any disqualifying faults. All you have to do is enter them and after collect 15 points from entering various shows they are considered finished and an official show dog. "Champion" show dog is another story, and much harder to achieve, and most, if not all of the breeders that signed the ethical contract with OES of America will have at least one champion parent. The bottom line is is you don't plan on showing your dog then really no need to worry what he looks like compared to the standard. The most important thing should be temperament above everything else which will give you the most wonderful pet. |
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