New owner of OES crossbreed
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| Properly bred OES are no more an aggressive breed than any. When you purchase back hard breeder pups of any breed you have no idea what you're going to get. And to top that off....lirttermates. You have your hands full. I recommend finding an exceptional trainer.  |
| OES aggresive? Mine would lick you to death before hurting anyone. Pooh Bear did bear his teeth at a couple of people, but they were a couple of alcoholics that we knew and also did drugs once in a while. (No they were't friends of ours, just black sheep family members) He had a way of knowing and sensing this. I always thought I should have him trained to do drug searches! Anyone else's dogs sense this? |
NJ12 wrote: I am just fearful of leaving him unattended with out 4yr old, even though he has never shown aggression towards her. Ditto what everyone has said above - I've never met an overly aggressive OES, and even my redneck backyard bred OES is a sweetie. One thing I want to add though - what you said above, about being fearful of leaving him unattended with your 4 year old - don't do that ANYWAY. With any dog, regardless of temperament - you should supervise interactions between your young child and dog at all times. Just don't do it. With any dog. Ever. |
| Buying from a BYB who mixes breeds to sell is not likely to gain you stellar quality parents....thus passing on the same traits to their offspring. Behavior/temperament is quite inheritable in general. Also - did you have a typo in the other half - American Spaniel? There are American Water Spaniels, American Cocker Spaniels, plus many other spaniel breeds. There is much more breed specific incidents in aggression in cockers, if that is the parentage you meant. It is commonly known as "cocker rage". - http://dogstuff.info/cocker_rage_syndrome.html The same type behaviors are seen in some lines of Springer Spaniels. I have seen incidences of both myself in these 2 breeds. Also, getting 2 pups from the same litter (or very close in age) is also a setback for successful puppy raising. You have several strikes against these pups right off the bat. Please find help from a trainer who has experience with these issues. |
| I've never met a people aggressive OES. We did have one growing up that didn't like small animals. All the ones I've ever been around, even the ones came from a horrible situation, LOVED people. They would never bite someone. "American Spaniels" AKA American Cocker Spaniels and English cockers are known for something called rage syndrome. I would seek professional help from a trainer, behaviorist or both to find out whats going on. |
sorry cant offer any real advice, but I hope you get sorted.  |
germany wrote: OES aggresive? Mine would lick you to death before hurting anyone. Pooh Bear did bear his teeth at a couple of people, but they were a couple of alcoholics that we knew and also did drugs once in a while. (No they were't friends of ours, just black sheep family members) He had a way of knowing and sensing this. I always thought I should have him trained to do drug searches! Anyone else's dogs sense this? Laika doesn't not like a certain person in our neighbourhood I have to cross the street when I see her coming. I found out later she is a drug addict. |
spacegirl21 wrote: germany wrote: OES aggresive? Mine would lick you to death before hurting anyone. Pooh Bear did bear his teeth at a couple of people, but they were a couple of alcoholics that we knew and also did drugs once in a while. (No they were't friends of ours, just black sheep family members) He had a way of knowing and sensing this. I always thought I should have him trained to do drug searches! Anyone else's dogs sense this? Laika doesn't not like a certain person in our neighbourhood I have to cross the street when I see her coming. I found out later she is a drug addict. Makes you wonder if this is another trait they may have besides herding............... Angus hasn't been exposed to any "black sheep" family yet, but am curious. I would rather avoid the family member since one has past away and one left. |
| Hm. Even though the American OES breed standard is quite clear about proper OES temperament An adaptable, intelligent dog of even disposition, with no sign of aggression, shyness or nervousness not all OES are created equal and the breed is not necessarily as angelic as some of you seem to think when not properly bred. They used to have a bad, bad reputation in the temperament department. We have more fear biters now than the sharp dogs/dominance aggression that apparently used to prevail. I've been bitten twice in my life: both times by OES, both rescues, both fear biters, both inhibited biters, thankfully. Though the breed has also had a handful of apparent rage cases (though this can be difficult to distinguish from dominance aggression) Not pretty. Those dogs almost inevitably end up being put down. As Dawn said, American cockers are well known for temperament problems, including rage. And as she also noted, raising littermates just makes things that much harder (says she who is raising her second set, in both cases sibling bitches  ) What I've noticed is that whatever the relative disposition that you see early on in the puppies, it becomes more sustained/pronounced when you keep littermates. If you keep a soft bitch and her dominant sister (and I'm not referring to aggression), for example, those characteristics seem to remain more static and even exaggerated than you would typically expect. Not a hard and fast rule, but in this case if you have a timid littermate that the other littermate can easily dominate, or whom he perhaps feels he has to protect on some level, that may be feeding into the situation. It's a pretty scary one when there's a 4 year old involved. If they were split up, the female might be forced to become more confident. She sounds like the better bet. You'd have to be really, really careful rehoming the male though. I'm not entirely sure that would be fair to whomever took him. But I have a very bad feeling about this situation. Hopefully I'm wrong. At least he's at an age where it may still be possible to straighten him out and it's great for both of them that they're being worked. But as someone else noted, please do not trust him around the 4 year old. Kristine |
| How about an unqualified statement from me - it must be as valid as the one from your vet? I don't know any aggressive sheepies - I know lots of aggressive possessive spaniels - therefore it must be the spaniel part of the breed at fault! Yes it's a rubbish argument isn't it? but no less valid than your vets. Quote: Cockers can be easily stressed by loud noises and by rough treatment or handling maybe the verbal scolding is provoking the spaniel side of the mix? |
| Our first OES rescue Bentley was a very dog-aggressive Sheepie. We brought him into our home and for about 2 months we slowly realized there was an issue. It was at the end of that two months we brought our second OES rescue in, Zoey. She was a 5 1/2 month old puppy and with only one day at home with the two of them, Jen had them where they would sit and lay in the same room with no noise from either. They'd even walk down a long narrow hallway with no issues. Whatever Jen did worked miracles. Bentley still showed the same dog aggressive behavior for the whole time we had him. I think it grew into a protection thing from a fear thing. There were several time Jen got too close to another dog and Bentley would go totally bonkers. Once she backed off from the other dog, Bentley would calm right down. We also had a Cocker but thankfully he never showed that behavior and we had him for a good 10 years. Vance |
| I'm a firm believer in the idea that an appropriately-bred (I don't like how "well-bred" sounds) dog will behave however you raise him or her. It's odd that other people mention it because Izzo will bark at random people. I always joked with my friends that he seemed to always bark at the ones who are "kind of off," but I really do think they sense certain things. But anyway, I think a trainer is the best call here. Maybe it sounds goofy, but I think you have to know how your dog communicates just like you do with people that you're close to. Could be the scolding--some dogs react differently to the ways they are addressed. You might find a better way to get your point across by talking to an experienced trainer. |
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