Sophie **URGENT - NEED HELP** (Waterford, MI)

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/24096641

It says MIX, but, she looks pure-bred and she needs help!

Good Karma Puppy Rescue, Waterford, MI

248-252-4344

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I would LOVE 10 minutes with the person/persons that hurt her!!!!! :twisted:

(10 just to make sure the job is completed to MY satisfaction!!!
I loath, hate and despise people that hurt animals!! Too bad they don't get to experience the same abuse and conditions.
:hearts:

Poor little baby girl Sophie :hearts:

I hope she gets a good loving home soon :kiss:

omg this is so sad .. i just had to donate they need money to help her. her story and pics is not for the faint hearted

i can't stop thinking of how hard her short life has been i want to go get her ............

suzptcruise wrote:

i can't stop thinking of how hard her short life has been i want to go get her ............

ME TOO! Poor pup! Perhaps, Michigan OES rescue can look in on her?

UPDATE

hi susan thank you so much for your generous donation for sophie..it came at the perfect time as i was in touch with the foster mom tonight and sophie has declined and we have to hospitalize her if she makes it thru the night..she has stopped eating and drinking and the moutain area of ky we have no vets open in the pm so she has to wait till morning..she needs iv fluids and antibiotics..thanks again for helping me to help- her..i will update the info on the site as i get it..again much thanks char

suzptcruise wrote:

Thanks for the update on her. My heart is breaking for her abuse, I sent a donation too. Wonder where she is in KY??

i am not sure we all need to help her i hope she made it through the nite thanks brenda for helping ... any money they get will go right to her are they told me

Does anyone have an update? And what's the status on the medical bills? Adam and I would love to help....

i am keeping in contact with them they need money if you go on petfinder it will show you how to donate right to her.. she is in foster in ky.. don't seem to have much money sound to me

suzptcruise wrote:

i am keeping in contact with them they need money if you go on petfinder it will show you how to donate right to her.. she is in foster in ky.. don't seem to have much money sound to me

Ok; Adam and I are going to tweet the link, and do a donation of our own; Thanks!

This is just disgusting! How can people let this happen to a living, breathing animal. It just breaks my heart. :twisted:

I hope everyone can spare a little (or a lot) to help this baby...

Any new updates today?
Crossing my fingers she'll make it.

I have also made a donation. This one seriously has touched my heart. I hope she can get the care and love that she deserves and can hopefully recover quickly. My heart goes out to her and to whatever wonderful soul is currently caring for her.

CamVal1 wrote:

Any new updates today?
Crossing my fingers she'll make it.

I talked to the rescue coordinator on the phone earlier. Sophie will be going to the vet and be boarded there where she can get the proper care she needs. Obviously, this is going to add up in terms of expenses. But the good news is she made it through the night, and fingers crossed the vet will be able to get some fluids into her and get her back on the road to recovery!

I was just checking back on Sophie, and see where this is going. So proud and honored to be a part of this forum of good people :hearts:

Great update :clappurple:

Darth Snuggle wrote:

CamVal1 wrote:

Any new updates today?
Crossing my fingers she'll make it.

u beat me to the punch...thank god she made it through the nite yes they do need funds to keep her at the vet..maybe we all can keep reposting on facebook and get them more money

Adam and I just made a donation, and have been tweeting and facebook posting. Adam pointed out that the place to donate isn't immediately obvious on the Petfinder page, so it might be better to post with their rescue's home page http://www.adoptgoodkarma.org

yes u have to hit READ MORE and a donate will pop up along with her story .. i am on a mission too allison this one is killing me .. thank adam
just donated more i took it out of the cookie jar i am sure my boys won't mind

ANOTHER UPDATE AS OF 1PM FROM CHAR

hi suzi..i cant thank you enough for your help..i am getting many donations and i am so grateful ..she took a turn for the worse i am going there and getting her on sunday..we were trying to let her get stronger before she traveled but now that is out of the question as she was put back outside when she started looking better and now we have lost ground..i have her at the vets today at 1 and i am asking him to keep her..something i would never be able to do without ppl being so generous..we didnt know if she would make it thru the night as she stopped eating and drinking but she did make it and i am gratefu..your caring touches me deeply i have cried many times today at the out pouring of generousity..thanks again for helping me to help her..char

Can someone give me the name of the vet hospital she is in? I would love to make a donation. Thanks!

Guest wrote:

Can someone give me the name of the vet hospital she is in? I would love to make a donation. Thanks!

I already donated, but, it would be good for everyone if someone could confirm all the details with the vet. This may help spur up some more donations.....

Guest wrote:

Can someone give me the name of the vet hospital she is in? I would love to make a donation. Thanks!

you can donate directly to the rescue; its a non-profit and the website is here: http://www.adoptgoodkarma.org

bless her. I am afraid I cant donate any money but if vibes can help her recover I have plenty of those. fingerscrossed xx

NJ_Sheepie wrote:

Guest wrote:

Can someone give me the name of the vet hospital she is in? I would love to make a donation. Thanks!

I already donated, but, it would be good for everyone if someone could confirm all the details with the vet. This may help spur up some more donations.....

The rescue is a non-profit, so I don't know that confirmation with the vet would be necessary. I can see donating directly to a vet when its a unique situation, an individual helping out a dog, but a non-profit rescue will have needs beyond just the vet. Funds raised will help transport this dog (not a vet related cost) as well as help with costs accrued once it gets to Michigan, also not expenses that relate to its Kentucky-based vet. The rescue coordinator said that Sophie would need to see specialists (skin, possibly) once she makes it to Michigan. So funds donated to the Rescue will help cover all of these expenses, and not just the costs accumulated at a single vet in Kentucky. I think it's important that funds get sent to the rescue itself, and not the vet. As we've seen in the past, many veterinarians don't want to deal with multiple payments and donations coming in, and have even declined to help based on this. Vets aren't non-profit, so they cannot accept charitable donations like they are one. Rescues can.

Can't the owners be charged with animal abuse? This is so sad....breaks my heart.

Darth Snuggle wrote:

It may not be necessary but I think it would help raise the credibility of the situation if I could post that a second reliable source has vetted this with the vet, so to speak. It may give a comfort level to anyone who may be more cautious with their donations.

germany wrote:

Can't the owners be charged with animal abuse? This is so sad....breaks my heart.

I too spoke to Shar in MI; Sophie was found in a VERY rural wooded area of Kentucky by some people who scour the area for ferrel puppies. In this area of Kentucky, dogs routinely run loose in the woods with no home, procreating all along the way. The good folks who found Sophie were out on one of their normal excursions looking for puppies to rescue. They were kind enough to NOT leave Sophie to die; they CARRIED her out of the woods! They contacted Shar as they normally do, only this time they had an adult dog - not a puppy.

Please continue to give, pray or simply just think about this poor but strong lost soul. The people up in MI are wonderful for taking on this huge task without being asked to do so. Our help makes Sophie's good health a real possibility.

Vance

In a sense, I agree with Ron. But I do want to contribute. Unfortunately, I have to wait until Friday. (payday :roll:

) My heart is breaking for this little girl and I hope she makes it. Reading all of the info and of course looking at her pics, make me cry. :cry:

Having had an abused dog, not even close to what Sophie has been thru, makes my want to adopt her and love and protect her. I would also make sure NOBODY would ever hurt her in anyway again. I think many of us are going to follow her progress like we did with Mr. Muffin. My prayers are with her and her care givers. Also known as Angels. :hearts:

At some point I MIGHT ask about adopting her. Yup, I just might, even though I'm in Minnesota

when you do donate you can request it to go all to sophie char will send you are tax reciept no need to ask her
even if like me tight on money all are prayers will help her pull though keep up the good work posting on fb .. i do not one her to be forgotten

Let's all pray she makes it and finds a forever home that will treat her kindly and forget the past she has gone through. She will be in my thoughts. (Sophie is my granddaugher's name)

HUGE UPDATE 5PM TUES JUST GOT THIS FROM CHAR

hi suzi..thanks for helping me to help sophie..i just got off the phone so the lastest news is that she has pyraderma and is on iv meds and fluids ..she has gained 10 lbs with the foster home but the fosters didnt understand that the meds needed to continue so when she finished the first round they didnt go bak to get more and then they put her outside ..those two things set her back,. so now she will stay in the hospital untill we get her on sunday..she is being fed perscription food for sensitive skin and stomach by the vet which i will continue when we get her..her blood work was normal..a few things off but that was too be expected with a infection..they feel she will make a full recovery...i feel very blessed to have your help and the help of others so that i can get her the best care...thanks again char :roses:

GREAT NEWS!!
Gotta send my donation.

Go Sophie!!

Just made a donation! Thanks for posting Sophie's story. May take sometime but it looks like her story will have a happy ending with help, prayers and positive thoughts from everyone. This is such a great place!

Speaking of Mr Muffin has anyone heard anything about him. Seems it has been a long while.

Just catching up on this post and glad to hear she is doing better but concerned with the statement, "they out her back outside"....She is in such bad shape and not allowed in the house? Maybe I misread the statement...

Ashley wrote:

this is why she is now at the vets till they can pick her up on sunday to get her out of there ... thanks to all of us she is safe at the vets
btw char told me she is a 100% pure oes

As is frequently (but not always) the case, those that oes.org helps financially either stop or greatly reduce posting shortly thereafter. I don't understand it, maybe it's just my perception.

Did I miss something -- if she's in KY, why is she going to Michigan? Sending a donation in the AM.

Susan, go back and read my last couple of posts - I explain the basics of this rescue's work. Char has a huge heart to do what she does.

Vance

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Susan, go back and read my last couple of posts - I explain the basics of this rescue's work. Char has a huge heart to do what she does.

Actually, I clicked on the link to the rescue's website, and see that they regularly rescue dogs from this area. I wondered because our daughter lives in Michigan and may want to inquire about her when she's ready for a permanent home. Or even a foster once she gets there.

Thanks Ron for also posting this on FB. I never stop thinking of you folks. Promise to post soon again.

Donation sent in memory of Gilligan. :O) Keeping Sophie my thoughts.

Marianne

ron that is why i keep posting to make sure it stays active.. i did invite char to peek in on us and she did .. she is in tears how much we all have helped her

Keeping prayers going. :hearts:

Speaking of Mr. Muff.....I e-mailed her about 3 weeks ago. Everything is great and they were getting ready to go on a 18 day driving vacation with all the dogs. She was sorry she hadn't posted for a long time but will again.

I want to go into a rant about why the foster family put Sophie outside but I won't. Suffice it to say I hope that foster family is no longer allowed to foster.

I will be sending money Friday (gotta wait til payday). In the meantime Sophie is in my prayers, along with Char and her group. They are Sophie's angels.

What is 'pyraderma? I know 'derma' means skin. I can't even find it in the dictionary. Is this a curable condition? Something that lasts a lifetime? :roll:

Pardon my ignorance :lmt:

dogmom wrote:

:lmt:

What is 'pyraderma? I know 'derma' means skin. I can't even find it in the dictionary. Is this a curable condition? Something that lasts a lifetime? :roll:

Pardon my ignorance :lmt:

It should say Pyoderma. It is a bacterial skin infection.

It's a staph infection of sorts - Caitlyn had a relatively small and comparably insignificant one compared to what Sophie must have. It was an open wound with not so attractive gooey puss. We were given a 15 day course of antibiotics and saw marked improvements in a short 5 days. And as with any antibiotic, it MUST finished.

Vance

A UPDATE WED /CHAR JUST EMAILED ME

"hi suzi..i do have a foster for when she comes here.she is not familiar with the breed but as of now all sophie needs is a quiet home with someone there fulll tim to love on her and tend to her needs which is what i have ...down the rd when she has fur we will cross that bridge..i was contacted by someone from okla from your group who asked for the info on the vet in wv and i provided it for them for donations..plz note she will only be thru saturday then up here with another vet..i can pass that on when the time comes..thanks for all your doing to spread the word and help sophie..char

i had talked to char hoping she would place her with someone sheepdog savy..SOME WERE ASKING ABOUT FOSTERING HER!! i would love to have someone from here adopt her :plead:

if i was closer would take her in a heartbeat .. but she does have a long way to go..

I just got off the phone with Char, she provided the following Vet name: Tug Valley Vet Clinic, 55 W. 3rd Ave, Williamson, WV 25661 (304) 235-2838. I called and confirmed that they are treating Sophie. Dr. Coch (tending Vet) is out of the office until tomorrow. Receptionist couldn't advise an estimated cost amount for treatment or how much has been covered so far.
Char did express a concern that if all the money goes directly to the vet, then it will not cover the 15 hours that her husband has to drive to transport Sophie or the food and other costs. I will be donating to the Rescue instead of the Vet, that way she can utilize the money where it is needed.

I live in Kentucky and emailed Char that I would be happy to help transport Sophie, but was told her husband would prefer making the long drive. Apparently, Sophie is in WVa and not Kentucky, but on the Kentucky border. My sister lives in Michigan and I have made the trip many times so I know it has to be even a longer trip down to W Virginia with miles of rural 2-lane roads. The pain poor Sophie is in with all the itch along with starvation had to be unbearable - so glad someone found her before she suffered to death.

Ashley wrote:

This is what keeps sticking with me too... if that was a foster home who did that, how legit can it really be in terms of knowledge and ability to care for any animal? They shouldn't be allowed to foster. I'm glad someone got her and is helping her, don't get me wrong, but that just floored me.

As I keep reading these posts, Is Sophie in Kentucky or West Virginia? Is she going to West Vitginia or Michigan to heal and be fostered? I'm confused.

I certainly hope she is in a better situation than the other foster. Having done foster care, I would never leave a sick animal outside. Poor little girl. :hearts:

Just sayin....................
Oh yea, Michigan isn't that far from Minnesota

As I keep reading these posts, Is Sophie in Kentucky or West Virginia? Is she going to West Vitginia or Michigan to heal and be fostered? I'm confused.

I certainly hope she is in a better situation than the other foster. Having done foster care, I would never leave a sick animal outside. Poor little girl. :hearts:

Just sayin....................
Oh yea, Michigan isn't that far from Minnesota

she is right now in west virg. at the vet on the border of ky.. she will be moved to mich. on sunday .. i will have an update soon soo check back .

Willowsprite wrote:

Ashley wrote:

YOU GUYS HAVE TO REMEMBER WHERE SHE IS IN RURAL K Y .. IT IS NOT LIKE U GUYS KNOW .. I DO NOT WANT TO SLAM ANYONE MY EX WAS FROM THERE AND TRUST ME .. DOGS DO NOT SLEEP IN NICE COZY BEDS OR HAVE TOYS OR TREATS -- REMEMBER THEY COULD HAVE LEFT HER TO DIE.. AS SOON AS CHAR FOUND OUT SHE PULLED SOPHIE OUT OF THERE AND STRAIGHT TO THE VET.. THERE ARE NO VETS THERE DURING THE NITE OR EVEN FULL TIME !! LETS JUST KEEP PRAYING SHE HANGS IN THERE AS I SAID I WILL HAVE A UPDATE LATER ,,U WILL BE THE FIRST TO KNOW

new photos of sophie
http://www.adoptgoodkarma.org/
get the tissue out also will be posting a update letter in a bit

Oh my god...........the poor thing! This is so sad. This is so hard to understand when we know how well we treat our pets. Can we have pictures that keep us updated on her recovery when she goes to MI?

UPDATE WED 7PM from char

hi suzi...i was reading the forum..so many wonderful ppl on there and i am so happy to see the caring comment..one correction..the vet is dr koch not coch...just so ppl do know..and they are very sweet and caring there but remember this is a small vet office not like most of us are used to so staff is at a minimun and they will do their best to answer questions but as i said they are limited ...no costs have been accessed yet.i know most of us are used to vet offices where they print out a detailed cost estimate ..that is not how it works here..we will know when she is released and then my vet will be coming to meet us on sunday evening when we get in to see sophie but based on the pics of have shown her she feels that a specialist is needed..i wouldnt have gone that route if it were not for your donations but i will get her to the best vet for skin diseases here because of your generous members..thanks again for all you have done to spread the word on sophie..char

PS She is eating and drinking now

-----Original Message-----
I DID ASK HER TO READ OUR FORUM SO GLAD SHE DID :wag:

Williamson WV is a very rural small town on the WV and KY border. The small population depends on coal mines to survive. Right now, one thousand miners have been laid off from our mines. The conditions in Williamson are poor compared to even our small WV town. Pets are a luxury that few can afford, most are hunting animals to help secure meat for the table.

Frankly, I'm surprised that they have a Vet in attendance there. With the proximity to KY, it could be that the Williamson vet is the local vet for that area.

I'm certainly not advocating the foster treatment of Sophie in any way, just trying to explain how things are in Appalachia.

When I first read this, I donated right away. Living in Michigan, I did email saying I could help if needed.
Waterford is not terribly far away.
The pics are just sickening to me, but I am so glad this wonderful group of people are helping Sophie.

Lisa Frankie and Mattie

as i told you i have invited char to peek in on us and she has .. some of you have ??? the foster i hope this letter i got puts this to rest and can continue with prayers and funds for sophie ..

hi suzi and others reading this...i am replying the ppl that dont understand a dog being put outside and questioning my choice of fosters..first of all..there is not a choice of fosters..down here ppl shoot dogs routinely if they happen onto their property..these ppl saved this dog..brought it into their home..took time off work to take it to the vet.not knowing its breed or caring its breed...it could have been a coon hound not a oesd....to bring a dog in the house for any reason is rare..ppl leave poodles ..bichons...outside..that is how it is there...these ppl bathed and cared for the wounds ..fed the dog ..they put her outside after she gained weight and gave her a kennel to herself..putting their own dogs out of the kennel for her..to you and me we question this choice but this was not cruel it was just a culture difference..as soon as they saw her skin regress and her feel sick they brought her bak in and called to notify me..they took off work to take her to the vet to be placed in the hosp...you have no idea how lucky we are to have a person do that in this community ..we didnt save this dog...this family did..and although the care is not up to our standards she did gain 10 pounds..her fur was shaved..she was bathed and her wounds dressed ..this makes me sad to see this familys care questioned..when most would have shot the dog to end the suffering and would have thought they had done a good deed for that day to use one of their bullets. i work with this community for over 5 years and i see horrible things..i bring animals out all the time and get no help from any org because the dog or pup is just a mutt..i am happy to have all this help believe me but even if i didnt i would have done my best to save her and so would this family and vet...it is a bonus that i can give her better care because of your generousity but plz dont question the choice of foster as we dont have choices ..we are very lucky to have this family..thank you for reading this char

When Char reads my reply she'll understand.

Char, just like you need to explain to us "how it is down there" I need to explain to you that whenever a situation is posted on the net, every angle is looked at, inspected, dissected, criticized, discussed and on and on. It's just they way it is; ya gotta not take it personally, as people feel they are being helpful.

Also truthfully, there have been times when the critical eye of the community has caught problems that weren't seen before by any one person. So all of this is what goes along with the territory.

So try not to take it personally, just answer the questions with the facts as you have done! It'll be fine.

...AND THANK YOU!!!

just got off the phone .. miss sophie is eating today which is good since. she needs to hang in till sunday she has a long drive home. good news she is heartworm neg :clappurple:

Good news for Sophie, it's nice to hear

Thanks for update. They seem more and more positive :crossed:

Bless her heart! :hearts:

Thank heavens for everyone that became involved to help.

The Texas OES Rescue contacted Charmaine in regards to Sophie this evening. Our greatest concern is the 15 hour road trip Sophie will need to take in order to get her to Michigan where this rescue is located. As a larger rescue we have Foster homes right now in that area who would love to care for Sophie and help her get the love and attention, along with her continued medical treatment until she is much stronger and able to make such a long road trip. Being a breed specific rescue we only have 100% OES and like many of you, we know all about sheepdogs. As wonderful as all vets are they just can't give every sick and injured dog the love they so desperately need. Sophie is under wonderful care no doubt, but why wouldn't you want her in a nice home "if medically able" where she can get all the attention she needs and wants? I'm asking this because when we offered this, we were told no. They are going to get her and that is that. No rescue ever wants to over step their boundaries so we have sadly backed away. If there is any way even a week more will help Sophie become stronger please pray they will consider our help or any of you who have donated and offered to help Sophie in her time of need. Thank You. Texas Old English Sheepdog Rescue (Cindy Johnson)

i hope you all understand i too have been talking to char daily.. first she will not be thrown in a truck or kennel sophie will be right by her husbands side on a nice soft bed. after the last foster she feels she wants to make sure she has the best care.. as soon as sophie arrives to mich,, her vet will be waiting at her house to give here any and everything treatment she needs ,, also if she is not put in a hospital she is going straight to a home with no other dogs and will be dotted on 24/7 someone will be watching over her all day and nite,, along with any 'specialist..
this is not char;s first rodeo this is what she does.. she transports weekly dogs very sick dogs with embedded collars, most have shot gun wounds and had a dog with his ears chews off!! yes she was honest she does not know too much about oes but learning through are site here she sees how much we love are dogs and very grateful of all the help.. and down the road is hoping one of us takes her,, so i get both sides ,, i will tell you char has fallen in love like me with as she calls her MS. SOPHIE ..
and by the way she is trying to rescue in the area to bring back a pregnet dog that has been hanging by a trailer and the man takes shots of it every evening now he is luring the dog wit food laces with metal chars in it so he can kill it so lets pray for that dog too..
i am not taking sides i just want both sides to be heard .. .

Cindy Johnson (Texas OES Rescue) wrote:

I, too, volunteered to pick up Sophie since I live in Kentucky. I was turned down just to help transport. I became a little concerned at first with the generic comments of how dogs are treated in Kentucky - no doubt, our animals are not very well protected because of weak animal cruelty legislation, or the lack thereof, but there are just as many Kentuckians who are knowledgeable and will not put a seriously ill dog in the backyard to further decline. As a Kentuckian I immediately stepped off the bleachers and emailed to offer my services to help Sophie knowing her desperate situation. I am a bit confused on how the lines are drawn in the sand regarding rescue - once someone says they will rescue, be it 15 hours away or not, is that the unspoken law of the land. I have a wonderful vet here who would have been very compassionate and helpful with Sophie's serious medical needs. I guess I wanted it to be known that, even though Kentucky has its shortcomings when it comes to protecting our defenseless animals, there are many Kentuckians who do care and will move heaven and earth to protect and medically treat our injured animals thereby negating the necessity of transporting an animal hundreds and hundreds of miles for vet treatment. To that end, God bless the Michigan rescue, but is there a reason they didn't call the Indiana or Texas or Carolina or other southern OES rescue to assist in this poor dog's rescue?

guys gotta tell you i am very sad this has taken a turn .. i feel bad i invited char to read are post which she has.. i will no longing be giving up dates from her she is to say the least very sad i will quote

{i have been the only one that will help animals in ky..if these ppl want to help in ky and have vets that are so helpful contact the pike county shelter in pike county ky where they put down puppies weekly....they call me with 80 pups that will be put down and we go..we have never had anyone ask to help with the transport of these pups..i have tried and given up..these pups are dying of parvo .have worms ticks parasites fleas an no one cares]char
..
she will not move sophie if the vet says it is not good to do so.. for those who gave money she promised me all will go to sophie and she is giving me her vets name and adress with anyone wants to donate down the road..

as to me being so involved to the newbe' 6 years ago i rescued my derby from the same area .. i was not offered any help even turned away cause he was a oes mix .. when i got him he was in very bad shape guardia and double elbow dysplasia and major shin issues so mr. derby this is why i have been push all of you if i over stepped then sorry .

my 2 rescues miss dolly and derby that no one wanted yess dolly the one in the bk her mom was full oes

so char if you are ready keep up the good work !!!!

Working a little with the OES Rescue network of the South East, I understand how hard it can be to find good foster families that know what they are doing. You can't blame Char for a dog that wasn't cared for properly by a foster family that thought they were doing the right thing for Sophie. No one fosters, or rescues, so that they can make an animal's life worse. I think we need to remember this and understand that sometimes mistakes and accidents happen, and while its awful that those mistakes can result in an animal suffering, we all do the best we can and know how to and the suffering isn't intentional.

I also understand why Char wants to take care of this herself, and not take the help offered. After her foster situation, wouldn't YOU want to personally see to Sophie being cared for properly? Char doesn't know any of these people offering to help personally, so to her any of these offers of assistance could end up exactly like her foster situation- well intentioned people that make a mistake that end up causing Sophie more problems. I respect Char's decision to take the responsibility for Sophie on herself; I'd probably do the exact same thing.

Char if you ARE reading this, my husband and I are the ones that donated $300 last week and we are still committed to helping you with the continuing costs involved in Sophie's rehabilitation.

~Allison & Adam

We all need to agree that we are doing the best for Sophie right now. I think Char has learned how strong the OES rescue is and how it is supported by its people. I agree that I would want to personally take responsiblity for Sophie's transport just like Char has and I think alot of us in her position would do the same. Let us all keep Sophie in our hearts during her trip. A friendly face is what she needs for the long ride.
Be safe and travel well Sophie! :hearts:

Well said Mary.

Let Char and her hubby do what they've been doing for years and Sophie will undoubtedly recover and have a very happy life. This is what we all want and what Sophie deserves. At this point, all we can hope for is for Sophie's foster and/or furever owners find the OES.org site and allow us to see how she goes through the rest of her happy life outside the woods.

Thanks Char!!!
And Suzi!!

Vance

Cindy Johnson (Texas OES Rescue) wrote:

How the hell is this post backing away? Sounds like someone got all pissed off that their offer of help was turned down to me. Why someone would post like this instead of being an adult sometimes other people have ideas and approaches that differ than yours. Im sure you do good work in your rescue but maybe Ill call and offer to intervene in one of your rescues from here in europe and when you turn me down Ill get all pissy too.

Please allow me a few minutes to answer some of the questions regarding rescues and how they work. First, it's important to know all rescues are run Soley by people donating their time and energy to the welfare of animals. Rescue organizations are largely not-for-profit, many of them obtain funding from charitable donations. Organizations also supplement that funding with grants. Some grants come from for-profit corporations that maintain charitable arms. Petco maintains a foundation devoted to helping animals in need. Recently, it's been working with local shelters to help keep family pets from becoming casualties of the financial crisis. PetSmart, likewise, has a charitable foundation. Both companies have distributed millions to shelters around the United States. Other assistance can come in the form of educational programs or discounts on specialized products and services..

There are many different kinds of rescues. Some organizations specialize by rescuing animals from specific situations. Greyhound rescue groups typically help dogs that have been deemed too slow to be lucrative. In recent years, pit bulls have needed a lot of help. Dog fighting, though it is illegal everywhere, is a growing trend. Many organizations, out of necessity, devote themselves to one species or breed. The needs of a horse are obviously vastly different from the needs of a kitten. And some animals have breed-specific behaviors -- which can be made worse by inbreeding or abusive conditions -- that are best handled by specialists.

Sometimes the need for rescue isn't the pet owner's fault. When someone is called up for active military duty, he or she can't bring a dog. So some animal rescue organizations specialize in foster placement for the pets of military families.

Our rescue group is breed specific where Charmaine's is not. It appears her rescue deals mostly in severe cases of neglect and abuse. While Texas OES has their fair share of these cases, we also receive several owner surrenders. The important thing to remember is that we both have the same goal, which is to help animals in need.

Typically when a rescue gets a pure breed they will contact one of the breed specific rescues as to how to handle the pets needs, and if vet care is needed, to help with the expenses. This is not a required rule or law, but more of a courtesy, so to speak. I can not say as to why a closer rescue was not contacted in Sophie's case, but my guess would be they didn't know of any. Many rescues now have websites and are on social sites such as Facebook. In smaller towns those options to locate help may not be available. In such cases it becomes all about who you know, and word of mouth.

The Fosters who had Sophie did what they felt needed to be done. I doubt they meant for her to relapse or to hurt her in any way. They just simply did not know. However, that should not be an indication of how another foster home would be

The world unfortunetly is filled with bad people who do bad things. Not just to animals but children, the elderly, to all of us, but we should never stop believing there are good people in this world. This website proves every single day the good in people!

TxOES rescue works with all rescues, even in states thousands of miles away, some with people we have never met, only spoken to on the phone. Some don't have Internet, let alone cable tv. These people do home checks, foster, and care for sick sheepies. They are our life line! Without all these people helping there could not be a rescue. I understand far to well how disappointing some foster homes can be. The difference is, I refuse to believe one bad mishap means every other one out there will be the same.

Would I drive 15 hours to pick up a dog in need? YOU BET!! But, when I read all the comments, concern, donations, offers to transport, foster and even adopt, I see no need to do that when so many people are opening their hearts and wanting to help. If the only reason to to drive 15 hours is lack of trust and the belief only they can do it right, then maybe they should sit back and take another look.

I'm sad that Charmaine feels she can no longer trust a foster home or a few people to help her in this time.

Cindy Johnson
(Texas OES Rescue)

Sophie has severe physical and emotional issues consitent with severe abuse and neglect. It seems very appropriate that the shelter would call the rescue group with a focus on rehabilitating animals from severe abuse & neglect and with whom they have an existing relationship. Sophie's readiness to travel should be decided by the vet examining her, not third parties, particularly those not involved with her medical care at thus time. I too am involved in a breed-specific rescue (not OES) and am saddened by some of the turf battles that go on in the rescue community.

"We all need to agree that we are doing the best for Sophie right now."

I am heavily involved with all-breed rescue. If a breed=spcific rescue group offers to take a single-breed dog from me, then that is the place for the dog. Frees up money and time and a foster home for another dog.

As for who has first dibs on the dog, when a dog is in the care of one rescue group, there is nothing stopping that group from handing the dog over to another group. In this case moving the dog into one home, then a 15 hour drive into another home is not in the best interest of the dog. Stress reeks havoc on the system, and a dog with health issues and concerns needs to maintain thier strength for healing...Not recovering from more stress. I am not sure why this is not clear. If she cannot stay where she is until fully recovered then she needs to move into the place as soon as she can be moved, so she can settle in get over all the trauma she has been exposed to.

The Michigan rescue group should understand that and be ready to let her go to a more local rescue immediately for her care, recovery and then final adoption.

It is about what is best for the dog.....not anything else.......or anyone else......Sophie needs everyone to understand that ......for her sake.

Very well said all breed rescue!

The reason I had not responded to the questions or replies was not because I was upset, or avoiding the issue. I just simply had not been on line to see them.

I am in No way mad our help was not accepted. Sad yes, but mad? No!!

I never said one rescue was better than another. If its a rescue, or a single person doing their best to help, than they are great in my book! There are no perfect rescues, just people doing the best they can with what's available.

The issue at hand is Sophie. Yes, it would be much better if she did not have to make a 15 hour road trip. But, at least there is NO doubt she will be cared for very well. No way with the emotions flying here, and across the net would it be any other way.

I am grateful Char cares enough to take Sophie. Her way is not my way or how I would handle it but that does not mean its Wong. Just that it is a different way.

So, let me try this again. Char, if you are reading this, we all want to help if you want or need us to. Sheepies are quite different from other breeds as you soon will see. If you need advice, help, anything, please just ask. That is why we are all here.

And since I am not planning a trip to Europe anytime soon.... Yes, I would hope you would step in

Cindy Johnson (TxOES Rescue)

Proverbs: 13:10
Pride only breeds quarrels, but wisdom is found in those who take advice.

"It is about what is best for the dog.....not anything else.......or anyone else......Sophie needs everyone to understand that ......for her sake."

Everyone on this forum agrees with this statement. It does not follow that those who disagree with your opinion do not want the best for Sophie.

Sophie is one very LOVED Sheepie!

I'm thinking All us Rescue people need to start recruiting all of you!! The passion shared on this forum has been overwhelming! Simply WONDERFUL!

All the difference in opinions, the ups, the downs. All show how incredibly passionate you are. Pretty Darn Cool!!!

Cindy Johnson
TxOES Rescue

I think the second most dangerous place in the world is between an OES.org member and a sick or needy Sheepie. If you're in that space, you will get stampeded!!!

Vance

as i have said i really do not want to post for char any longer but will post for me.. with everything said lets move on and pray for her tomorrow.. like i told you all by tomorrow nite she will be looked after by a vet that has seen a ton of abuse she is like a trama vet which is what miss sophie needs right now not going from foster to foster.. she will then be with a women who will be with her 24/7 with QUIET AND PEACE WITH NO OTHER DOGS AROUND.. no to be rude but alot of fosters have their own dogs .. which sophie does not need right now or i would have gone and got her.. again i state char will be finding sophie a home with oes experience .. so put your apps in .. i think enough about could would or should of .. to be honest i think sophie is in the right hands she is an expert of transport of abuse and neglect cases .. like she told me it doesn't matter to her what breed it is right now she needs help!! i agree with oes rescues on one thing she will need down the road to be place in oes home which she will be.. god bless mis sophie we love you!!!

Safe travels tomorrow Ms Sophie!!!! Will be waiting to hear about you. Pooh Bear will be watching over you on your trip.
:ghug:

I am a big supporter of breed specific rescue.

*All things being equal* I think "we" in the breed rescue can more easily find the perfect foster and perfect home for the dogs we can accept into our programs. But the key is in that phrase "all things being equal".

I think when a rescue wants to maintain control of a dog for whatever reason, we in the breed rescue should defer quite politely as Cindy has done.

We all try to and usually succeed in remembering the part of our
"cup of tea mantra" (<--- Click it to read about it)
here that says "always assume the poster meant no insult." I think it was just a wee bit of a misunderstanding. :ghug:

Anyway, I think we are all thrilled that Sophie is being helped and that Char is being her angel. We all have the best of intentions and desires for Sophie.

she is on her way yea.. i will get pics soon i hope she will not be in mich .. till later tonite.

Will be thinking of Sophie today....let all of us pray for a safe trip and a happy home!

Recently my all breed rescue had a German Shorthaired Pointer in our rescue and we got *slammed* by people telling us we needed to turn him over to a breed rescue. As much as I appreciated that people cared about the dog, it was insulting that people didn't trust us to care for this dog despite rescuing dogs for over 5 years with a great track record. We ended up getting him adopted to an amazing home within 2 weeks.

A good all breed rescue is no less able to care for a purebred dog than a breed specific rescue would be if they had a mutt in their program, or a dog of a different breed.

Thankful to Char... already offered to help with fundraising if she needs it but they seem to have things under control.

Just now catching up. Praying for Sophie and the people caring for her and just sent a donation.

God bless all who are involved in rescue--all breed or breed specific--you are all angels!

SOPHIE MADE THE TRIP GREAT.. CHAR WAS TIRED TO SAY THE LEAST SHE WAS SUPPOSE TO PICK UP 5 PUPS TURNED TO 50!!!..SHE HAS BEEN UP ALL NITE BATHING WORMING ETC,, HOPE TO GET PICS TODAY OF MISS SOPHIE

Yeah Sophie!!! Now for a speedy recovery and a happy furever home! :hearts:

Yah Sophie and thank you Char you are an angel on earth. Get better soon Sophie we are all praying for you.

Yay Sophie! Hoping for a speedy recovery. Our prayers with you!

My Suzie came from an all breed rescue. They were amazing with her and her health issues. As for the adoption of Suzie, they did want someone with OES experience. I am so grateful to them.

hi suzi..i am very busy right now...many sick pups..2 preggos and not enough help..i took pics of sophie today and vids..not great ones but they will do for now..the vet does not agree with the vets down south..she wants to shave sophie down totally and clean her with surgical cleaner..it is a long rd..the vet down there charged me 350 for everything...blood work..food ...meds and boarding...i am happy i had the money from your group and others as i dont have extra funds like that...i will update you after thursday ..that is when i am taking her to the vet to be shaved she wants her to have a couple days to settle in before anything else is done..her eyes show she is confused and sad..this is a lot to take in..the foster is doting on her and lays with her on a memory foam mattress she is using for sophie/..she just needs alot of one on one care and quiet and peace..she has not had any of that...her feet and legs hurt her and she has trouble standing for long...she is a angel and it breaks my heart but we will put these days behind her soon.thanks for helping me to do this..char

-----Original Message-----i have vidio and pics of her she moves very slow and seem so sad not sure if you want to see them

i can;t get the vidio to work if some one wants to try i will send them to you

It says you are not logged in to aol...

i do have a pic on my facebook

Just saw the picture on facebook. She looks sad, but she does look better. Keep improving Sophie. There are alot of people here sending you positive thoughts and prayers! :hearts:

here is miss sophie ,, the foster mom is already in love with her,,

Wow, she looks a LOT better.
Keep going Sophie!!

the pic is hiding alot of her pain her feet are torn up so she is walking so slow char is going to try and post the video on her site . she sent me a few but having trouble get them on here , so check her site for updates

Her eyes and face look like she is happier though still some pain...............but headed in the right direction.

She's gonna end up being a VERY happy Sheepie!!! I really envy whoever ends up with her as dogs like this become the best pets as they know they got another chance. Both of our rescues were/are GREAT pets! Someone is sure gonna be lucky...

Vance

Any news on how Ms Sophie is doing? :?:

char has been busy with the sick pups .. hoping to get an update .. she is suppose to go thurs for a shave down and surgeral bath,, her skin in the video really still looks like open wounds.. i have a bunch of videos i can send to you email me and will forward and if anyone can put them on it would be great i tryed a few times .. think it is my computer ,,she seems very shy toward people moving very slow but it think it is to be expected..

Keeping Miss Sophie in my heart and prayers. Sounds like her foster Mom is just the right angel for her :hearts:

Ms Sophie latest.............

Not only could I not view these, but it locked up my PC to the point I had to reboot (Firefox). Too bad, I would love to see how she's doing. :cry:

that is why i sent them to mary they are big files and my firefox would not let me open them it did work with in explorer

just talked to char:

MISS SOPHIE IS DOING GREAT SHE IS STARTED TO TRUST HER FOSTER AND GETTING PLENTY OF CARE WILL WANT FOR NOTHING

the funny thing is char doesn't know to much about oes so she said that miss sophie is following the f. mom all over the house .. so she is a true sheepdog !!!

again she wanted me to tell you all thanks again .. i wish i could get all those videos on here

i can open these files on internet explo. not firefox thanks mary

I put them on youtube for better viewing.

Enjoy.

What a face!!!! She's a lot whiter then I was expecting. She's moving around better than I expected too. I guess my expectations were low, making what I'm seeing better!

vance

What a beautiful and strong spirited little girl Sophie is!! :hearts:

The little velcro girl is just starting to get a taste of the good life she so richley deserves!! :cheer:

Good job Char and Sophie's foster mom!! :clappurple:

ron i have spend days trying to put them on so i sent them to germany i have a bunch

I am so glad to see she's up and about. We sent a small donation to help her along. Go Sophie! You deserve nothing but the best from now on!

:clappurple:

traciels28 wrote:

I am so glad to see she's up and about. We sent a small donation to help her along. Go Sophie! You deserve nothing but the best from now on!

:clappurple:

hey tracie how is are fla boy rudy doing we have missed you ?

Not to hijack, but Tracie's back!!
How are Rudy & Hudson doing?

suzptcruise wrote:

:clappurple: ron i have spend days trying to put them on so i sent them to germany i have a bunch

You can send them to me and I'll upload them to Youtube.

My email is ForumWebmaster at oes.org

Thanks for letting us see her walking around.
Made me very happy!!!!!! Lovely girl :kiss:

Ron wrote:

suzptcruise wrote:

:clappurple: ron i have spend days trying to put them on so i sent them to germany i have a bunch

You can send them to me and I'll upload them to Youtube.

My email is ForumWebmaster at oes.org

sending them to u good luck

I got one more new video...

thanks ron i could not see any of them so i sent most to u

oh my word that poor little angel. so glad she is doing better, wish i could give her a hug.

Yep, I still get teary eyed every time I read this thread! Go SOPHIE Go! May she have the life she deserves and a furever home of love!

Thanks Ron!!!! :clappurple:

Hi Everyone,

Not to threadjack too, but Rudy is good. He's still crazy, and still has other dog issues, but he seems to be slightly quicker to calm down so we are calling it progress and celebrating it. I have just been busy day and night and it's so hard to get on here. I peek in on my tablet sometimes at night before bed, to keep up with things, but it's hard to post from it.

Hudson's doing okay, but we've scheduled an upper GI scope for him in November. He's still the incredible barfing sheepie, and he ONLY does it on MY SIDE of the bed...so we're hoping to find the cause. We did the full on blood work with no results to explain this, and after three days of the triple antibiotic treatment (second thing we tried to address it) he started barfing MORE. So we were advised to stop. We have been managing this his whole life, and had it down to once a week or less but it never quite stopped, so we're going to do a scope with biopsies to see if we can figure out what's up and treat it.

As for Sophie (returning from the threadjack here) I am so delighted to see her up and about. When I peeked in and first saw this thread I was at work in the evening, waiting for a seven o'clock meeting. I ended up walking into the meeting with tears in my eyes. It's nice to be tearing up for better reasons now.

Go Sophie!!!!!

so glad to hear the updates i think of you and rudy and hudson often .miss sophie is being so well cared for .. i just what someone to adopt her or else i need to take a long ride north

Please have this caring all breed rescuer go to raisingaidfordogsatrisk.org They help many rural shelters/rescues with funds to save dogs (how do I know this? I am on the board) I have a great love for all dogs, mixes and purebreds.....I place all the sheepdogs that I am called about through an all breed rescue. You do not have to be the "breeds" rescue to save dogs. What a noble group going out in rural areas to save puppies that have been dumped. So happy for this little sheepdog ..that she is headed towards a wonderful life

char has her hands full and miss sophie is doing JUST OK here is the latest.a lady called me bout two dogs that are chained and cant move. they have been in the rain all day.for days..no cover and at night the temp drops and they are in the cold..no bed..no shelter.so i am sending money to buy them a igloo dog home and getting them both fixed so they dont have babies in that hell hole they live in..but sometimes the ppl wont even take the dog house and curse u for trying to give it..my heart aches ...sophie is ok..she is happier..but her skin was so raw that we r going to have her shaved on monday..i have been getting her bathed daily to get sores cleaned and less puss ..she has a uti i think ...it is a slow process...i am going to u tube vid of the dr visit an post it on their i will link it for ppl to see ..i want everyone to feel they are on this journey with us since they have all made it possible...

so she is not out of the woods yet

I think we have all taken Ms Sophie under our wings and hoping for a complete recovery from her previous life. We all care so much for our "family" that we have a hard time understanding different lifestyles in rural areas. I know even where I live dogs are shot because they chase deer. I was raised in Chicago and I should have a harden heart towards many things. But I cry when I hear animals being mistreated. I don't even like the deer hunting season here. Yes, I am one that says "run Bambi, run"! We need to understand that not everyone looks at their pets as "family" as we do and it is people in the rescue circuit that are angels here on earth that will be rewarded in heaven for what they do.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart to everyone that takes that extra step to show that they care. :hearts:

suzptcruise wrote:

This is not true. There were choices of foster care from reputable OES fosters. I am terribly concerned for this dog - she needs immediate help to care for all her maladies not just skin problems. Sophie requires a complete medical check if she indeed was found in rural WV. I am still questioning why this dog was not given to reputable foster families in the area who do understand how to care for a seriously ill OES - driving her 600+ miles was unfortunate and unnecessary and now to hear she rode those many miles with 50 ill puppies was cruel. Was this in the best interest of the dog. Why wasn't the help accepted. I am pleading with the MI person to please surrender the dog to a reputable OES rescue or knowledgeable OES owner. Finally, please tell us what the asking price of this dog.

I know this is not the popular feel good post, but i have been concerned about Sophie since the minute her post hit petfinder and this site and genuine offers to help were categorically turned down without good reason - the chain of events surrounding this poor dog are against all sensibilities and not in the best interest of Sophie. IMO.

denise if you look at my last post miss sophie is getting daily care from a vet she has been check and re check for all her problems.. right now the vet in mich has wanted miss sophie to have some calm and peace in her life.. like i said a few times she is with a foster by HERSELF and getting 24/7 care and love that she needs right now.. what happened in ky is over lets remember to live in today and what her future is . right now is not a price tag on her ,, right now this is all about sophie getting very good vet care and a nice soft bed bought just for her not sure what else we can do ... her vet seems to be watching sophie daily

You do not need t be an oes person to take great care of an OES Good luck to miss sophie and her foster Poor sweetie I hope she makes a full recovery. I do GSD, OES and all breed I recently fostered an emaciated Plott Hound from WV I have no clue about plott hounds. She thrived and is doing great.

best wishes to sophie and the rescue team:)

Denise, Sophie went from being with that first foster to staying at the vets, and I'm sure the vet knows how to care for a sick dog, so at that point there was no need for another foster in KY. I'm sure there were not a lot of choices in that area for fosters, perhaps in your part of KY there are, but that doesn't seem to be the case for the area where Sophie was. As for why wouldn't Char hand Sophie off to another rescue, would you take your dog and just give it to someone you don't know? I certainly would not. Char has trouble with the first foster not knowing what to do for Sophie, and nobody wants that to happen again. Char has done a great job making sure that Sophie is getting the care she needs, and that's the important thing here. I don't know where you're seeing that she rode with the sick puppies, I can't find that. I know they also picked up puppies, but it doesn't say anywhere here that Sophie had to ride with the puppies. Char even said that Sophie will not be in a kennel or a truck, she was to be on a soft bed and ride next to Char's husband. I am sure Sophie is being taken care of. This isn't Char's first rescue, you know, she deals with very sick dogs and puppies from this area all the time. I am sure she is making sure Sophie is well taken care of, and any and all problems Sophie has are getting the attention they need. The skin issue is her biggest problem as far as I can tell.

Like Cindy has said, you don't have to be an OES person to take care of one. I had no prior experience with sheepdogs before I got Eevee, should I not have her? I'm sure that Sophie's foster mom is able to read up on OES, too, just like all of us are. It's wonderful that Sophie is able to be in a foster home without other dogs right now, a lot of people who foster already have dogs because they are animal lovers just like all of us.

"I am pleading with the MI person to please surrender the dog to a reputable OES rescue or knowledgeable OES owner."
Why? Sophie does not need to be moved again, she is recovering and in a great foster home, and Char is doing the best for her. Sophie is not in need of someone with OES experience, she just needs someone with a lot of love and ability to care for her, and she certainly has been lucky to be cared for by Char and her new foster mom. Why would you want to take her away from that? I don't understand.

I've been reading this thread since it showed up on the forum, and I'm so happy to see that Sophie is in a great foster home and being so well cared for. Instead of picking on Char for rescuing this dog, we should be glad that she did rescue her, and that Sophie is getting better. That's what's important here. Let's all just hope Sophie continues to get better, she's in great hands.

thank jade well said

We were all "newbies" when we got our first OES and from our "first" we have grown to know and love them. How can anyone not love these dogs? I know I am hooked. We are all thinking and behind Sophie's new life. :hearts:

What is the latest on this poor baby? What concerns me is people made donations to take care of her and I just hope those donations went to just that and that first post wasn't a scam to get people's money...Is Sophie still at the Vet or with a foster family? I just saw a great video of her walking around and she looked great...Who cares if she is in a OES foster home. As long as she is being cared for is what matters....

germany wrote:

IMO this has nothing to do with being newbies. And, we are all pulling for Sophie for a quick recovery. But, again, it is not true that there were no choices for Kentucky fosters. Before Charmaine even left MI for WV, there were several offers to take Sophie in to foster and treat medically and the bonus was we are either OES owners, rescue, and/or fosters. One email or phone call would have sufficed to check credentials. Sophie was not Charmaine's dog as someone suggested. I am still very concerned that a seriously ill dog was driven 600+ miles when there were plenty of OES fosters and rescues willing to assist this poor dog. The Karma rescue has 32 puppies on their website and just brought in another 50 puppies. Why wouldnt a rescue with all these puppies "permit" an OES rescue to assist. I am not convinced that the best interest of Sophie was at hand and I am at a loss as to the reason for declining help with the overwhelming task of finding homes for 82 puppies. IMO

If she wants to personally be sure that Sophie gets well and goes to a good home someday, that is her business. She is not obligated to accept your help, or anyone else's. The dog was found, the shelter contacted Char as they usually do, and Char is making sure Sophie is getting the care she needs. The foster in KY/WV was a temporary thing anyway, Sophie would have been moved to MI whether a nice foster in KY was available or not. You can't oversee the care of a dog very well if it's 600 miles away. Should she have just left it in KY and just hoped that Sophie would do alright with whoever volunteered to take her? The trip doesn't seem to have hurt Sophie at all. My dogs can travel comfortably in the car, I don't see why Sophie can't. Yes, maybe a little bit stressful, but it shouldn't hurt her any more than regular life would. My dogs sleep in the car, it's a comfy nap place for them. Sophie is in a foster home with NO OTHER DOGS, that's wonderful for her! Who cares if they have OES experience? It's not exactly like Sophie is in full coat, you know. OES are for the most part just like any other dog, a little stubborn and very sweet, but every dog has it's own personality. It really should not matter whether or not the foster and rescue have OES experience, Char is very experienced with cases of severe abuse and neglect, and she is doing a wonderful job with Sophie, as is Sophie's foster mom. I don't see the problem here.
Where did someone suggest that Sophie is Char's dog? I don't see that either.

Diane, Sophie is with a foster now in MI and she's doing better every day. The vet is checking on her daily.

Ashley wrote:

i talked to char last nite sophie is going to the vet this morning she needs to be shaved down due to her open wounds and they are doing a surgerial bath on her.. i am hoping to get a video of the vet and and update.. all the moeny snet to char is being used just on miss sophie .. she told me they went out and got a special baby mattress since she is very long and needs extra soft place .. she is on special food along with many meds // please don't let those video i posted fool u she has a long way to go.. ashley if you did donate char would be happy to give you the vets name

AND TO BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE ONE MORE TIME.. IF ANYONE HAS A BETTER FOSTER THEN THE ONE SHE IS IN LET ME KNOW.. SHE IS WITH THE FOSTER 24/7 A LADY THAT STAYS HOME ALL DAY BY HER SIDE IS GIVING HER 100% LOVE WITH NO OTHER DOGS.. AND HAS MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE------

AND YES GOOD KARMA HAS 50 PUPS 1/2 HAVE ALREADY FOUND HOMES BUT CHAR 1# CONCERN IS MISS SOPHIE SHE IS DOING EVERYTHING SHE CAN IF HER.. MOST OF THE PUPS ARE IN FOSTER CARE
SHE WILL BE WITH THE VET AND FOSTER THIS MORNING AND WILL NOT BE LEAVING SOPHIE SIDE!!!

SO PRAY TO SOPHIE TODAY SHE HAS A LONG RUFF DAY AHEAD OF HER......ALSO I WAS ASKED HOW OLD SHE IS THEY SAID SHE IS ABOUT 1 YRS OLD AND THANK GOD NEVER HAD A LITTER.

I have been watching this thread since day one. I have to agree with Denise, somethings just dont add up on this rescue. I noticed that there seems to be a beagle in every video. I thought that she stated this dog would be an "Only" dog while recovering, does the neighbors dog just come and hang out? I really have never heard of a rescue group not wanting help from another group, and one that could be verified. Another thing that seems just a bit odd is how can anyone can go to rescue what they thought would be 5 puppies and end up with 50? Just how did she manage to transport that many dogs? One would think that if you were to pick up 5 puppies you would only need a suv. How did she get that many home?
I think we want to believe that "ALL" rescue groups are on the up and up, and I hope this one is. However there are to many odd events in this one.

Erin

arrr erin she never knows how many pups are in ky ready to die she has a ext. van for transport and in the video it was sunday nite when they pulled up to the house before the foster came and got her... so i guess she was wrong to go to ky and just take 5 when they told her on monday they would all 50 be killed you does sound fishy .. she is a small rescue and never know anything about oes rescue she was just trying to save a dog that was almost dead and turn it over to people she did not know !!

come on people if you do not trust her please do not help miss sophie there are enough of us that do

i am glad she stop reading our post and is busy taking care of miss sophie!!!!!

Should Char just give up what she does every time another rescue offers to take a dog? That kind of defeats the purpose of being a rescue! Why do it when you're just handing dogs off to other rescues?
And can't we just be happy that Sophie is saved? Like she said, that video was not at the fosters. Sophie is in a loving, dog free home. We should be even happier that Char is able to save FIFTY PUPPIES!!! That is incredible! Who cares if she went to pick up five, it is wonderful that she was able to take all fifty. So many dogs are left to die and Char is wonderful for doing what she does and saving as many as she can. Why don't you go rescue some dogs and then we'll criticize how you do what you do because it's 'fishy'. Perhaps Char just really fell in love with Sophie and really wants to save her. Why should anyone take that away from her?

I have been helping a local rescue get started - for Great Danes, which I love but don't have. It's been interesting to see it from a rescue perspective, as well as a donor viewpoint.
As a donor, I think questions need to be asked and answered - unfortunately there are bad people out there and we want the money to go to someone who is actually doing what they say they are doing.
As a rescue, it is a pain to repeatedly anser the same questions over and over - and to have your motivites questioned. Asking for donations isn't something I do well.

And I have seen firsthand how easy it is to get sucked into accepting more than you can handle. As a dog lover, how can you look into those eyes and say no, knowing what that means?

Everyone has to remember it is all about the dogs.

To me, this thread, like a few others in recent memory has become much like a late night car wreck. I've un-subscribed from it yet I can't not come back and look each time it comes back up to the top. Let it go folks. Sophie is not our dog and the powers that be feel they know what's best for her. Whatever we think or say at this point is completely irrelevant as Char is not only not a member but probably doesn't read this thread anyway; and who can blame her?

Vance

Hello everyone. My name is Amber. I have been a foster mom for Char since March 2012. I'm incredibly upset by the blogs postings written below. Char rescues all breeds. This is not a bash against specific breeds rescues. Char travels to KY because the need is greater there. People in Michigan also surrender dogs and Char accepts them. I have personally adopted out.. 16 labs mixes, 5 chilualas, 10 german shepards pups and their mom, 3 hounds, 2 irish wolf mixes, 5 FERAL Australian shepards and 3 Shepard mixes. Obviously it's doesn't touch what Char comes home with every month. This is a full time job for my family. We spend tons of time cleaning, feeding, medicating. My children play and love with each one. I have taken over my husbands garage and the dogs sleep with the furnace on! Char is a wonderful women who has a crazy busy life!
I have met Sophie, she is a sweet girl in bad shape. The pictures are exactly true.
Please stop the bashing and doubting of the care for Sophie. Char is a fantastic women and Sophie will get anything and everything she needs!

SHAME ON US!! so very sorry char after the day you had with poor sophie at the vets and hearing bad news .. i am sorry you came here for support and got beat up .. i made a promise to you on the phone i will no longer post on our sophie ..prayers to you and miss sophie and thank god she is with you !!!

I, too, am weary of the bashing and second guessing going on here. But in looking back through the posts, it seems there are just a couple of people trying to stir the pot and the vast majority are cheering on and supporting Char and Sophie. If one has concerns, maybe it would be best to contact the rescue organization directly instead of trying to get everyone else all riled up. It's probably time for us ALL to butt out.

I agree with susan. Get over it and move on. :roll:

Sophie is the one that is important!!! :hearts:

opps one last thing very important char wanted me to tell anyone that donated and feels they want their money back she is more then willing to do this contact the web site and you will be refunded..anyone that did and wants updates f/b me i have thanks to all who have supported her she now has a very long and painful recovery

suzptcruise wrote:

Are people really asking for money back? That to me would be VERY sad.

I can't believe people are asking for their donations back or is somebody just continuing to :potstir:

There's a thread here on OES.org about members that haven't posted in a while. I wasn't listed, but I find I post here less and less, and this is why. Our happy, loving, supportive community gets mean and judgemental, fast. And as someone who has been on the recieving end more than once, I have to say it's disappointing, frustrating and hurtful.

You noticed that too!

anY updates on Sophie?

idagin wrote:

anY updates on Sophie?

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=39144

A nice update and a video of her also.

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