Peta
Now the two have been seen to be fronting the latest campaign launched by PETA – People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals – which draws attention to the alleged cruelty meted out to circus animals. The poster featuring them was seen in DOG WORLD last week. PETA is a very wealthy American-based organisation with a knack for associating itself with celebrities who automatically attract great publicity. Clearly Ashleigh and Pudsey are considered ‘hot property’ and have quickly become as popular in the US as they were here at home. I am sure that Ashleigh agreed to lend her weight to this campaign with the best of intentions and will doubtlessly have been shown very convincing evidence which encouraged her to help abused circus animals in any way she could. It does concern me however that her management might not have researched what they believed to be a truly worthy cause more thoroughly. They may have been blissfully unaware that PETA members have in the past attempted to disrupt both Crufts and Westminster with their demonstrations. Their strong views on the ‘imprisonment’ of animals are well known and they claim: "Crating began as a way for people who participate in dog shows to keep their dogs clean, but they did not take into account their dogs’ social, physical, and psychological needs.” |
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| You are a pot stirrer. Peta is an extremist group, nothing more nothing less. Infact the USDA classified them as a terrorist organization. If it were up to them we wouldn't own animals. (Yes that includes dogs) I wouldn't have a wolf hybrid if they had their way, they would set him free. (he wouldn't last a day, he would starve to death. He's not completely domestic but doesn't have enough wild instinct to protect himself or kill for food. He would eventually wander back into town and try to sleep on someones couch. For him people=love, comfy couch, shelter, food and the occasional bed to chew through) Even knowing all that, they would still release him into the wild. They protested Seattle's famous fish market and tried to get everyone to call fish sea kittens. They tried saying cow's milk=autism Compared chickens in farms to holocaust victims Compared AKC to the KKK Peta also has the highest kill rate of adoptable dogs in their shelters than any other shelter in the usa. |
| They are an extremist group. They want to make ownership of any animal illegal. They have broken into facilities and let animals loose...even when it is likely they will be harmed or die - apparently feeling they are better "free" than under human ownership...even those that are family pets. Their goal is to abolish animals as pets or livestock as a foodsource. When my kids were in 4-H showing their sheep, they had a session to educate the children what to do in case PETA demonstrated or attempted to harm their animals.  |
| I think they're nuts. They want us to let all our animals free, that's crazy. We take care of them and give them the best lives we possibly can, I don't see how they would be better off if they were out in the wild where they can get hit by cars or eaten by some other animal. |
| Lokk Annastacia this word Pot Stirrer is getting a bit stupid. I have no Idea who they were until today & thought they were a animal welfare group thats why I posted this not for your pot stirrer views. As most people here know a lot more than myself before I done somthing stupid like donating money. I read a artical in Dog world & thats a UK dog paper & web site. I was looking for somthing about improvment to the UK dog breeding & there name poped up. So get of your bloody high horse. I thought it was a bit odd when they used that girl & dog who won Britain got talent about the circus issuse. Thank you Dawn for explaining who these people are |
Parwaz wrote: Lokk Annastacia this word Pot Stirrer is getting a bit stupid. I have no Idea who they were until today & thought they were a animal welfare group thats why I posted this not for your pot stirrer views. As most people here know a lot more than myself before I done somthing stupid like donating money. I read a artical in Dog world & thats a UK dog paper & web site. I was looking for somthing about improvment to the UK dog breeding & there name poped up. So get of your bloody high horse. I thought it was a bit odd when they used that girl & dog who won Britain got talent about the circus issuse. You get called a pot stirrer because you bring up a lot of controversial topics. Don't get so offended by the term, I think it's good to have discussion about these sorts of things (as long as nobody gets too mad about it), and I think it's good that you ask questions about things you don't know about, so you don't go blindly donating to crazy groups like peta. |
| Until we started showing groups like this would or never would be known and the sad thing is people like myself who donates money to rescue & other things also at the rugby club we always look for a new charity to donate money to. WE could send them money without knowing |
snazzierella wrote: Parwaz wrote: Lokk Annastacia this word Pot Stirrer is getting a bit stupid. I have no Idea who they were until today & thought they were a animal welfare group thats why I posted this not for your pot stirrer views. As most people here know a lot more than myself before I done somthing stupid like donating money. I read a artical in Dog world & thats a UK dog paper & web site. I was looking for somthing about improvment to the UK dog breeding & there name poped up. So get of your bloody high horse. I thought it was a bit odd when they used that girl & dog who won Britain got talent about the circus issuse. You get called a pot stirrer because you bring up a lot of controversial topics. Don't get so offended by the term, I think it's good to have discussion about these sorts of things (as long as nobody gets too mad about it), and I think it's good that you ask questions about things you don't know about, so you don't go blindly donating to crazy groups like peta. Thank you Jade. It wasn't ment to be offensive. Oh and Parwaz you are welcome for my answer too.... |
Sorry thoght you was having a go & sorry Annastacia. your answer were good as well. Did not know they were that bad  |
| Peta is extremist, but ALSO dishonest. They garner a lot of sympathy because they play up the animal welfare angle among animal lovers. And I DO support animal welfare and some animal rights issues. If you look at their central website (so you can see it's not just our opinions, look at the source themselves): On companion animals, all the pictures are of loving families with pets: http://www.peta.org/issues/companion-an ... fault.aspx But they are actually against ALL animal domestication (and other human uses like hunting and fishing). Their goal: spay/neuter ALL dogs and cats, eliminate ALL breeders (and there are no good breeders!  ) so eventually all domesticated dogs and cats (and other pets) will die out.http://www.peta.org/issues/Companion-An ... eders.aspx Don't get sidetracked by all the nicey-nice things they say about animal rescues, they want the extinction of dogs (and cats etc). So obviously, I could never support them at all. And ANY breed or kennel club that tries to meet them halfway are FOOLS, you can't negotiate with them, they want the extinction of dogs!!!! |
| I used to work with a PETA supporter, Sherman. He also loved certain foods... Every time I'd make popcorn, which was a lot back then, I'd offer him some. After he'd eat several handfuls of it, I'd tell him it was popped with lard. He would get sooooo mad and spit and gag! But the dumba$$ kept coming back for more each time. Me and another guy who worked at the same music store used to torture him like that. He was so stupid and gullible... which is really why we did it. Sherman = easy target. Oh, and the other guy had a bumper sticker that read 'PETA - People eating tasty animals!'. I really think I would enjoy living next to one of those nutcases for a couple days. I'm sure that's only how long they'd last! Vance |
Don't get me started on HSUS either....  |
| Is there a deep rooted connection between those two groups that we don't know about? I kinda feel there may be. Vance |
Ron & Vance I was so shocked when I read a artical about these groups. I would send them to prison & throw away the key & these people are ment to fight for animal justice. I don't want too say too much as my blood is boiling at the Mo  |
| I'm shocked you live in the UK and hadn't heard of them until now. One of the two who started, Ingrid Newkirk and Alex Pacheco, PETA is from the UK - Ingrid. And Alex is shown with a dog donning a collar WITH tags on his Wiki page! Does that spell hypocrite in any way or is it just me? Vance |
| They try to appeal to kids, too, with their peta2 website and the free stickers (which feature really cute cartoon animals and phrases like "I am not a nugget" on the one with a baby chicken). They get music stars and actors to support them and get peta's view to the young people who listen to them. I don't like it when things like this are being pushed on children, it's not right. I had my own set of free stickers when I was about 14, before I discovered just how bad they really were. |
| What about the ASPCA? Are they a good organization? |
| I was shocked that she was from the UK. I read the same thing. Jade I think they are just as bad but who can say. But if you go through the internet you can find some good articals how bad these people are but its a bit odd that the first thing when you do your search they come up first & tell you how wonderfull they are. They must be paying these search engines money to get at the top of the pile |
| What really bugs me now is that on the Discovery channel is a program called Whale Wars. It basically triumphs the efforts of PETA types who are chasing down Japanese whaling ships who they claim are doing things either illegally or out of their boundaries. The show is in my opinion, glamorizing piracy. Look it up... no, wait. I did - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/piracy These whale protectors are doing exactly that. Their not law enforcement officers. They have no legal right to do what their doing, yet Discovery is essentially supporting them. Honestly, I'd like to see one of those whaling companies buy and old battle ship to escort them around for a while. They drop a 16" shell over the bow of one of those whale war dingys or one of Discovery's chase boats and I think they may re-evaluate what they're doing. I'm not saying that what the Japanese whalers is doing is right or not, but promoting this opposing behavior like this is like thinking two wrongs do make a right. Discovery has also got a show on about moonshiners which is the same with regards to promoting illegal acts. Wonder how long this will last before some 'revenuer' catches wind of the show? Vance |
| I do support an almost complete (if not absolutely complete) ban on whaling. Japanese can live without whales and dolphins. |
| Parwaz if you would only take a few minutes and search the forum before you post the next time you might find that we have already had the topic up before, and you might learn a thing or two in the doing. You could probably have learned quite a lot about peta right here, had you looked. |
| Or he could ask a question and actually get an interesting conversation going. Anyone else noticed how little conversation there is on the forum anymore? Even less that is remotely interesting? (Where's the yawn emoticon when you need it? ) Why would we shut down one of the few people who asks good questions or thinks outside the box? That said, if you've been around a while, you will have seen the same OES questions over and over again (my puppy is mouthy, my dog has an iffy gut, what do you feed, etc etc) and though we've seen it before we try to be nice and rehash, we don't tell people to go search the forum (or google it). PETA, by the way, is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of animal rights extremism - the flaky, visible tip. The HSUS - bigger, much greater reach and deeper pockets with which to buy legislators - has been referred to as "PETA wearing a tie" <g> They are now apparently dealing with RICO charges. Finally someone willing and able to take them on.  Kristine |
| Wel Shellie instead of me going through lots of diff post would it not be a good idea to have a Stickey on subjects like this so people like myself could find info and post about instead of people like yourself moaning all of the time. Remember this some of us don't know what upsets other people in other countries as we don't live there. So I have to google things first berfore I post them & this is not the first time that you have moaned & I would say not the last but we all have the right to complain |
| Back to the point The American Shih TZU Club makes some very good points about these mad groups http://americanshihtzuclub.org/ka_ching. The sad things is in one hand you have the puppy mills/farms & in the other you have groups like this & it seems a hard fight for the poor animals |
| Ron has a GREAT search feature, so once you do start a search, yeah you will have to go thru a number of posts, but they will be in line with what you want so they all should be helpful. Give it a shot. Its easy to use and fairly customisable. I've used it and it caused me to both not post on some topics and post whet I though turned out being better questions on other topics. Thinking is a wonderful thing. Searching makes you think on your own. Vance |
| good point there Vance but some topics should have stickeys on also did not know how big these groups were but we only hear of green peace. And we have the RSPCA ( Not a mad group) these mad groups don't get a lot of air time in the UK |
Vance wrote: Ron has a GREAT search feature Are we still talking about the forum?  This reminds me -- back before the forum "upgrade" I think I used to have a Google SearchBox at the top of every forum page. Entering a search in that box would search only oes.org and while it's not quite as precise as the full forum search tool, it can return great results if you don't have to (or can't) specify the author or the date range... Thing is the way I have the site set up those searches take you to the "lightweight" version of the forum then you'd have to click through to get to the full forum version. Any interest in that feature coming back? You can test drive it (the results page would look different nowadays) here: http://www.oes.org/html/search_oes_org.html (I don't think the other sitemapper search works anymore, either) |
| I was doing a search Ron & the colours are not too great like we have here on the site |
Quote: Wel Shellie instead of me going through lots of diff post would it not be a good idea to have a Stickey on subjects like this so people like myself could find info and post about instead of people like yourself moaning all of the time. Remember this some of us don't know what upsets other people in other countries as we don't live there. So I have to google things first berfore I post them & this is not the first time that you have moaned & I would say not the last but we all have the right to complain Parwaz scroll to the top of your page. See the place that says search? That's our search for the forum. Quite helpful. This really has nothing to do with country to country stuff and I really don't think I'm moaning much dear. Why in the world would we sticky something about peta?!  That wouldjust be silly. Next thing you know we'll be stickying getting pregnant after your tubes are tied. And you are right. It isn't the last I'll comment on one of these "stirring" posts. There is a HUGE difference, Kristine, between intelligent thought stirring questions and just plain trying to stir things. Even you know that. Just contributing thoughtful ideas here folks. Let's not be ridiculous. You all have just cut me to the heart. I doubt I will survive.  Shellie |
| Your funny Shellie It was not just about Peta but major issues on stickey thing as I would not give that lot the free advertisement but people do need to know about these types of groups. As I said before I was looking for somthing diff & there name poped up thats why I asked also I do like debates and asked lots of questions but thats just me so you might have to call me P aka pot stirrer as for the tube thing I might have problems with that |
Parwaz wrote: :also I do like debates and asked lots of questions but thats just me Me too. Sharpens your mind. I miss that. Kristine |
| There are ways to ask questions and even talk about controversial topics without getting mean or accusatory. And it's not a country to country thing as everyone else seems to be able to play nicely together. |
| I almost did my English paper on the pro's (ha) and cons...or the real story of PETA before I decided I would be writing a hatefest against them. It might be true but would not make a good paper. Penn and Teller had a series on Showtime called Bulls##t which exposed all the truth about PETA. You can still find it on Youtube. I know HSUS is as bad or even worse as they confuse people about who they are. I would like to think the ASPCA is an actual legitimate animal welfare organization...but I suspect they may not be. |
wendy58 wrote: I almost did my English paper on the pro's (ha) and cons...or the real story of PETA before I decided I would be writing a hatefest against them. It might be true but would not make a good paper. Penn and Teller had a series on Showtime called Bulls##t which exposed all the truth about PETA. You can still find it on Youtube. I know HSUS is as bad or even worse as they confuse people about who they are. I would like to think the ASPCA is an actual legitimate animal welfare organization...but I suspect they may not be. That pretty much sums it up, Wendy. I would save the topic for a marketing paper. The ASPCA occasionally does SOMETHING redeeming, but increasingly their views have become more and more aligned with the other American animal "rights" extremist groups. The interesting marketing aspect is how PETA and HSUS stand for pretty much the same values, yet while PETA has always positioned itself as a fringe group - consider some of their marketing campaigns, usually as laughable as they are offensive; the approach Parwaz describes actually sounds more like a page from the HSUS playbook, using (non-naked, one hopes!  ) celebrity to promote their ideology- HSUS has an exquisite PR machine which has not only positioned the group as mainstream, but earned them a deep, deep war chest, which they ironically in turn use against the very pet lovers who support them. The group may be toxic, but they are not stupid. The HSUS' downfall is that all non-profits who take in more than a certain amount of money a year - and even at least one of our OES breed rescues fall into this category, we're not talking millions, more like $25,000 annually as I recall - have to (in essence) disclose their tax returns. It then becomes glaringly obviously that they aren't what they claim to be, and that they are basically just a big lobbying machine for their political agenda (eliminating all "use" of animals - ownership, food production etc) They should have lost their particular non-profit status years ago. They've lost a lot of credibility in the last couple of years, especially. I used to get in trouble  for talking about what they really stand for and what they really do. But these days more and more people are finally seeing these groups for what they really are. Kristine |
| Let us just hope they do something so glaringly stupid that they lose a lot of support. The public has a lot of real causes and more important things to be spending their money on...like a rescue group who would be a real help to animals. Or helping their communities. |
| At every opportunity I do my best to let people know about my opinion of the HSUS, and how they are not your local Humane Society, they just took that name to give themselves credibility. |
| Sounds like HUS are a bunch of crims. They ask for donations & go around conning the public what they do with the cash |
| I have a BIG problem with PETA. I used to donate to them and then they started sending me stuff on saving the mice and rats and all sorts of wierd stuff. I am an animal lover but I draw the limit with saving mice and rats. Not that I want to do them any harm but donating money to save them from starving, etc is another story. My donations now go strickly towards OES rescue and other dog rescue. I think PETA got a bit out of control. Just my opinion. |
| PETA has always been out of control. A friend of mine went to work for them. She wrote all their marketing/fundraising materials. It was horrifying to watch her decline. She adopted a puppy they "rescued" at a circus and of course, the dog went to work with her every day. Within a couple of years this lovely, gentle dog went from being a laid-back cuddle-bug to crabby and snapping. PETA had an even worse effect on my friend's mental well-being. Ingrid and Alex are incredibly egotistical and hypocritical and PETA is nothing more than a terrorist group. |
Ashley wrote: ... I think PETA got a bit out of control. Just my opinion. This reminds me VERY much of a famous Marge Schott, (long time Cincinnati Reds owner) quote about Hitler on ESPN. Quote: Everybody knows he was good at the beginning but he just went too far I, along with many others in this area loved Marge but we all knew she kinda lived in her own world. And quotes like this proved it. This comment actually came out after she was disciplined by Major League Baseball for other remarks. I agree; PETA has always been out of control. It just wasn't made public too much in the beginning. I think those who saw through it early on were hoping it would go away if they ignored it. Sadly it didn't. It was like the Plague; moving and growing quietly until it became something huge, ugly and nasty that could no longer be ignored. This too needs to be eradicated. Vance |
| Good point there Vance. Most dog organizations or animal are now standing up to them & not hiding in the background thinking this lot will go away. I wonder these so call superstars know what they are promoting |
| I think the basic thing about PETA which any dog or animal lover needs to know and understand, is that they want the complete elimination of ALL domesticated animals. The PETA goal is a world without any dogs or cats or domesticated farm animals. So the important bit to teach to any dog-lover who thinks about supporting PETA, is PETA wants a world where dogs don't exist. If you happen to be a vegetarian who supports the goal of reducing the consumption of meat and animal products for health and environmental and even ethical reasons. That's perfectly fine, and perhaps even laudable. I am sure there are many reasonable organizations supporting those goals out there worthy of support. PETA is not one of them. |
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