Should Langley get a mowhawk?
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Wait is that cutie boy in a mohawk? It looked like a normal puppy cut (with longer head of course) and I thought that looked sooooooooo cute on him [which is why I voted no]. But if that's a pic WITH a mohawk...then change my vote to yes.  I just don't want you to regret not having equal length hair on top and then dread the waiting game |
| haha well you can always cut it of course easier to do that. I have been doing it every year. Last years.  His first Mohawk.  |
| oh yeah... that's super cute!! No reason not to do it this year!! |
| Have some fun. He'll see you laugh and be joyful. Go ahead and give it some color as well. |
SheepieBoss wrote: Have some fun. He'll see you laugh and be joyful. Go ahead and give it some color as well. Ditto! |
| Still don't get why people own a long haired dog & shave it. Buy a lab or another short haired dog |
Blueshire wrote: SheepieBoss wrote: Have some fun. He'll see you laugh and be joyful. Go ahead and give it some color as well. Ditto! How can I not now I think Langley is from the Blueshire lines and a lovely Lakesong boy. What a great dog! That boy owns that Mohawk too! |
Parwaz wrote: Still don't get why people own a long haired dog & shave it. Buy a lab or another short haired dog Okay you have been going there for awhile... now it is directed at me. I actually state why in my first statement, now I must defend. I don't get why these dogs are subject to HOURS on a grooming table, you see where I am going. I love seeing my dogs in a long coat. But that is ME. When I shave my dog I think of my dog. I think of them panting from the heat, I think they cannot go for a walk until late and then dang it I don't feel like it anymore! This is why I walked, Langley yesterday at 7 pm and I was dragging him I was afraid he was going to drop. I live in Nova Scotia! Our weather apparently according to a British dude at work is worse than the UK! Come talk to me in a few years when you feel bad for your dog spending all that time on the table, I keep them in a long coat for 9 months out of the year sometimes. But when summer comes forget about it ! But who cares if I didn't. I didn't get my partners in crime for their coat. You keep going on about how "us that shave our dogs"; how you think it is wrong. What about how wrong it is to spend hours upon hours of tugging and brushing on these dogs. Two sides. I picked this breed for them temperament as I think many of us did. I actually wasn't one of those girls that run up to me saying oh my god I had that dog as a stuffed toy, I always wanted one. I never in my long life think to myself I would get a OES. I had a GSD mix before after her 16 years of love I researched dog breeds extensively when I decided to get another dog and this is the breed: because of the temperament description. Not because of the coat. Not because I wanted a long haired dog. I am sorry but I have been silent for awhile on your view on us people that shave our dogs and I had a couple glasses of wine. And I am going there...I do it because I feel bad I have to keep my dogs inside all day. I feel bad because I have to spend hours brushing my dogs when they could be playing or just take a nap. I feel they just wanted to be dogs. I feel that just because they are born to have a long coat doesn't mean I have to keep them in a long coat. I think you are a very interesting person, I love reading some of your post and you very vocal about this but you have to understand I love my dogs for what is under the fur, not the fur. I don't want to start a big ol war. Makes me cringe when I read those. I just want to have fun with my dogs. I wish you would understand that it actual hurts a little when you ask us why we don't just buy a lab. Dang I am all out a wine. Let's have some tea  and stop the judging. Maybe it is the wine but I feel judged. PEACE! I am sorry I had to say it! |
Amen, Spacegirl   I love sheepdogs for their temperament and their personalities. I grew up with them and have enjoyed their company my entire life. I love OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOGS, not labs or any other short haired breed. I hardly believe that the fur is what makes them them.  It is often lamented on this forum the people that buy dogs for superficial reasons and then realize they didn't get what they wanted or could handle.....what could be superficial?? Oh maybe a beautiful long coat? Also, I may be wrong, but weren't sheepdogs originally sheared down at least once a year? If so, then doing so is honoring their history. |
| Thanks I really feel bad though. Please no one take this wrong. I usually delete my rants and not submit haha. But my finger went there... submit. I just want to defend the shaving and I hope it wasn't to emotional. Nothing against Parwaz you have your views which you let be known, but I felt the need to defend as well nothing personal. |
| For what it's worth...we have labs and OES - have had both in multiples and for MANY years. Labs and OES are not the same. I like my labs, but for very different reasons than my OES. And it's not the hair. |
| I too didn't get a sheepdog just because of the coat, I keep Butchy in a puppy cut, it's what we prefer. I got our sheepdogs because of their temperament and because I love them a great deal. I think we all love our fur kids but we all have different ideas of how much grooming we want to do and I know Butchy isn't comfortable when he's too warm. |
I normally just keep my mouth shut  but a sheepdog is a sheepdog, hair or no hair. We all have our own preferences and to keep telling people that its wrong to keep a sheepdog in short coat is just trying to put your preference down everyone's throat.That is wrong. Oh...keep the mowhawk and color it |
| My point has and always be why do people shave down there dogs & this is not just for sheepdogs bye the way also I am not stuffing it down your throat as if you read a lot of post you could say lets shave all there coats. I know some reason are due to weather also some people life style have changed also some people don't do enough research ob long haired breeds. How many shaved afghans do you see or long haired German Shepherd do you see. Yes I do bang on about it but I think that is just me & Lori wants to shoot my sometimes but because I am knew to long haired dogs & trying to figure out why people do these things & I don't mind you venting your anger at myself because I do need a kick up the butt on the odd occasion & yes I do have lots to learn & yes we don't have a lot of air con in the UK and our weather is very odd so we have too manage Georgie. Back to the task I do like his Mohawk and a dark blue would look good |
Parwaz wrote: Yes I do bang on about it but I think that is just me & Lori wants to shoot my sometimes but because I am knew to long haired dogs & trying to figure out why people do these things & I don't mind you venting your anger at myself because I do need a kick up the butt on the odd occasion & yes I do have lots to learn & yes we don't have a lot of air con in the UK and our weather is very odd so we have too manage Georgie. Back to the task I do like his Mohawk and a dark blue would look good  I'm onboard with the mohawk and was just thinking blue would be nice.Yes to whomever reminded us sheepdogs were shaved at least yearly. Otherwise they'd be worthless as working dogs. I don't agree that grooming is a chore for them - a few hours of laying on a table being fussed over? Mine race to get to the table first! That said it is a chore for ME, so mine are mostly buzzed or in a puppy cut right now, except the puppies, ironically, who are growing coat. Or at least that's the theory, when they're not yanking each other's coat out Now, when I only had Belle, who came to me having just finished two breed championships, i.e. in coat, I couldn't bear to shave her. In fact, in her 14 years, she was never shaved. She was put in a puppy cut in later years as the last year or so of her life being on the table was not so fun for her, so I did things to minimize what I needed to do grooming-wise. Once you get more than one OES, the whole full coat for life is no longer so easily doable and beyond that, forgetaboutit.  Though the image most people have of the breed is in coat and some can't recognize a shaved one. Reminds me, I wrote an article for Show Sight magazine last month. I think I submitted 8 pictures of various dogs with various lengths of coat, including 2 with some adorable shaved dogs and one of a puppy in a puppy cut. Which do you think they used? http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... Loland.php I'm pretty sure an OES with a blue mohawk would have been a no-go, but then again I doubt Langley cares kristine |
| Right now I have 3 in full coat & and a 4th one due to show up to visit for a couple of weeks of "boot camp". To say I see grooming utensils in my sleep is an understatement. 2 of them need to stay in coat because they are class dogs that are being shown right now. The other 2, well, that's my choice because I want to take them to the national this year & I'd like them to be in coat. They all enjoy grooming I think because of the attention. That said, I always tell prospective puppy people to make sure they love the personality of this breed because 95% of the companion people will NOT keep their dogs in a full coat or anything close to it. The other 5% mostly PAY big bucks out to someone to do it. Maybe when you first get this breed & they are still puppies & the coat isn't so overwhelming & the novelty hasn't worn off yet, it looks like a good idea. But you have to look at the big picture. I had one girl that had an inhalant allergy. The allergy injections over the years made her skin more sensitive. Wasn't fair to her to make her deal with the brushing & pulling & combing & occasional dematting. Why would I want to make her hurt? When my old guy (passed away at the age of 13-1/2) got up in his years it wasn't fair to him to have him get up on the table for a lengthly grooming because he had arthritis & it just plain hurt to change levels. And It hurt me to sit on the floor & groom him. We were both happier with a shaved /puppy cut. And even the young dogs, after thay are done being shown, get shaved here. There is nothing worse in my opinion than taking one of these dogs out in public when it isn't in proper condition. And to groom them properly, it can't be done in an hour. Not & do it right. So each to their own opnion. But the ultimate decision should be to do what makes you & your dog the happiest. |
| Right now I have 3 in full coat & and a 4th one due to show up to visit for a couple of weeks of "boot camp". To say I see grooming utensils in my sleep is an understatement. 2 of them need to stay in coat because they are class dogs that are being shown right now. The other 2, well, that's my choice because I want to take them to the national this year & I'd like them to be in coat. They all enjoy grooming I think because of the attention. That said, I always tell prospective puppy people to make sure they love the personality of this breed because 95% of the companion people will NOT keep their dogs in a full coat or anything close to it. The other 5% mostly PAY big bucks out to someone to do it. Maybe when you first get this breed & they are still puppies & the coat isn't so overwhelming & the novelty hasn't worn off yet, it looks like a good idea. But you have to look at the big picture. I had one girl that had an inhalant allergy. The allergy injections over the years made her skin more sensitive. Wasn't fair to her to make her deal with the brushing & pulling & combing & occasional dematting. Why would I want to make her hurt? When my old guy (passed away at the age of 13-1/2) got up in his years it wasn't fair to him to have him get up on the table for a lengthly grooming because he had arthritis & it just plain hurt to change levels. And It hurt me to sit on the floor & groom him. We were both happier with a shaved /puppy cut. And even the young dogs, after thay are done being shown, get shaved here. There is nothing worse in my opinion than taking one of these dogs out in public when it isn't in proper condition. And to groom them properly, it can't be done in an hour. Not & do it right. So each to their own opnion. But the ultimate decision should be to do what makes you & your dog the happiest. |
| I think what is great about this breed is we options. Especially us that do not show. Personally 3 seasons of the year I let them grow their coats. I was actually considering this year letting them (no shave) go but summer is the time to go to the beach and doing more activities. Nice to have a break all of us by this time the coats get so heavy especially Langley. Many people have active lives and want to keep it simple. I know then they should have got a Lab. But that defeats the purpose. NO offense against Labs I do not care for them personally. Apples and oranges in my book as temperament. I would love it if mine enjoyed getting brushed. Honestly they do not. Laika HATES it, some may remember a few months back I had a hard time getting her back on the table. Her coat is very fine and soft and soon as look at her and she mats up. She is absolutely beautiful in a long coat but she is just as endearing in a short. I actually look forward to the puppy cut they feel so much more cuddly. I hope this answers your question to why would I not just get a Lab. (I do not like them) Thought I would have fun with a poll. I was probably going to give him his summer Mohawk anyways. Not sure about the blue people think I am weird enough haha. |
| I say mohawk!! Some one came to my sheep dog o rama one year I think it was chowder Had a full mohawk all the way down his back It was so cute!! Labs require care and parwaz if you had a lab you would bitch about the shedding:( some folks are never happy..I had labs and now have OES and shepherds and yes some longhair shepherds are trimmed down.....it happens I love the quirky breed and keep my two in puppy cuts. I don't show my dogs and don't have time to keep farm living sheepdogs in a long coat some do but I don't have that talent tea please:) |
4dognight wrote: I say mohawk!! Some one came to my sheep dog o rama one year I think it was chowder Had a full mohawk all the way down his back It was so cute!! It was Chowder!!! We love the Mohawk! I say mohawk. And we would LOVE to keep Chowder is full coat but she won't really let us groom her. We did everything we were told to except buy a table, as there is not room, and she just doesn't like to be brushed out. So not only will she be hot in the summer as we don't have central air, but she will be tortured every 2-3 days with a brushing. So we go puppy cut with the occasional full on mohawk |
| YOu have to put up a picture!!! |
Mad Dog wrote: Yes to whomever reminded us sheepdogs were shaved at least yearly. Otherwise they'd be worthless as working dogs. Reminds me, I wrote an article for Show Sight magazine last month. I think I submitted 8 pictures of various dogs with various lengths of coat, including 2 with some adorable shaved dogs and one of a puppy in a puppy cut. Which do you think they used? http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... Loland.php It is a great article. I knew you had written it, in fact I had read it and thought Show Sight had already published it. I was delighted when I opened Show Sight at Mission Circuit and there it was! Again, nice work. My sheepdog loves the table, too. She likes it so much that when a pack member is on the table her jealousy-meltdown-tantrum lands her in her crate. Most of the sheepdogs I know are content to just lay on their table. I look at it as hours of spa time. Who wouldn't love that! I certainly understand shaving them down. My other dogs get shaved down in the summer. I'm struggling with a swim routine for the sheepie so it would be so much easier (for me!) if she were shaved down. Please post some pics of the new Mohawk! And great idea, btw.  |
QuailTrail wrote: I certainly understand shaving them down. My other dogs get shaved down in the summer. I'm struggling with a swim routine for the sheepie so it would be so much easier (for me!) if she were shaved down. My rescue dog loves the water. Had dinner with my vet and her husband tonight at their house which is on a small lake and she and my vet's vet tech's dogs (a springer and an aussie) were in and out of the water for at least 45 minutes chasing tennis balls. She's always kept pretty short, thank god, and she actually dried faster than either of the other two dogs. Sweet! And that is the really, really nice thing about having a breed that can sport any length of coat: the versatility. Thanks so much for the kind words re the article. I had a lot of fun writing it. The breed just sort of writes itself. Kristine |
Parwaz wrote: Still don't get why people own a long haired dog & shave it. Buy a lab or another short haired dog I say go for the mohawk! Why not? Looks cute! And, Parwaz, we also shave down Dahlia in the summer and keep her in a longer puppy cut during the year. I also did this with my last sheepdog. This past weekend, the heat index was well over 100 degrees F. She is much more comfortable with a short hair-cut and a cool belly. We have air conditioning, and she still likes to sleep on the bathroom tiled floor or sometimes even in the bottom of the shower. Just because we shave her and keep her relatively short, doesn't mean we should buy another type of a dog. There are many reasons we choose to have a sheepdog, and none of them are related to her hair length. For instance, allergies....I am not allergic to OES, but, I am allergic to many other breeds. Temperment.... Levels of Goofy-ness. There is no breed of dog that comes close to the goofiness of an OES---butt in the air, tail wagging etc.. Even if I wanted to keep her long---I wouldn't. She swims in the lake all summer long and it is known to be dangerous for a sheepdog to be in full coat and swim. The water can weigh down their hair and cause them to drown. It has happened. We do a lot of hiking. Keeping her in full coat with be cruel due to the type of hikes we go on. It would take a long time to get the burrs/ticks and whatever else found their way onto her body out if we kept her long. So, before you go telling people on an OES board to buy another breed of dog because they choose to cut THEIR dog's hair, you should maybe consider that it is their choice and there are reasons why someone does this.... |
| Lol, okay, I have to ask for reference material on this one: Quote: She swims in the lake all summer long and it is known to be dangerous for a sheepdog to be in full coat and swim. The water can weigh down their hair and cause them to drown. It has happened. I'm a swimmer. I swim daily. The best part of swimming is the pure lack of gravity. Granted I have more ... insulation (okay, blubber!) than my dog. But she swims and that fur spreads out and floats, just like my hair. http://betsysross.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-06-06T22:49:00-07:00&max-results=300&start=24&by-date=false Rivers, pools, ponds...that girl had to have been a fish, dolphin or duck in her former life. She LOVES water. Since I don't want to place my dog in harm's way, I'm hoping you can steer me toward some reference links! Thanks. |
This is not the best photo but it's already loaded on the forum and I'm on my iPad with no Mohawk photos.  |
ariellehg wrote: This is not the best photo but it's already loaded on the forum and I'm on my iPad with no Mohawk photos. What a sweetie. I don't think I will be that adventurous Well Langley goes into the groomers tomorrow and Laika Thursday. She is a new groomer in town closer for me. They have gone to her a couple times but this will be the first cut from her.  |
| Hello,I usualy trim up my dogs each year,our last one was always overheated-had a problem so he had 2 trims a year. I do it on hand + knees on the floor. Neither me or the dog realy enjoys it. I was thinking I would'nt trim Sprocket(apart from the usual bits-feet etc) but after a few nights of him coming and panting in my ear when I'm asleep as he is to hot and just wants to go lay out the back, I am thinking matbe I should but it won't be this year as he won't keep still enough. So brush,brush and more brush to get out under coat to help him.x |
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