Are people full of hot air about our breed
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| I'm very happy with the breeder I picked, but if I had to pick a different one, I would definitely consider Amber. I'd also consider getting a dog from Europe, especially if I was breeding, as it would bring in qualities that those dogs have that ours are lacking in. Someday, when I feel like I have more experience with the dogs, I'd like to breed them myself. I'm surely not ready to try that yet, but in the future. |
| A bit off topic perhaps... But can Ron or the mods maybe consider moving that entire discussion from "Negative Experiences With Backyard Breeders" to *HERE*? I think its an important discussion, but what is a newbie looking for a puppy going to think of it? Most likely: "Wow, this OESCA thing is really intense and negative, I think Ill just go with that nice friendly breeder who says her vet told her all her puppies are healthy!" Just my 2 cents as a (very) outside observer of the conversation. |
| Good point, the other thread has wandered very far from the original topic of BYBs and it could push people away from looking at the OESCA list for a good puppy, which is silly because there are still some good breeders on that list. So yes, I think it would be a good idea to move the discussion here or to a new thread. I just thought of something else, why don't we make a big list of breeders we have had good experiences with? So that when people come to us looking for a reputable breeder, we can point them in the right direction instead of sending them to the OESCA list to send out a bunch of emails that will never be answered. |
| Laurel makes a very good point |
I came here about 7 years ago because I rescued my second sheepdog (last one I bought at a pet store in 1970 somethingish) I then learned about puppy mills . There was so many nice people here that helped me and I met many.I have always had 4 dogs and different breeds My favorite that I own are Labrador retrievers, german shepherd dogs and of course I have two old english sheepdogs. I have done rescue for a long time and when I got guinness I became involved in rescue. I also made friends with Nita and she took me under her wing at the nationals in Williams burg VA I then attended a sheepiepalooza and went when one of our members was showing at westminster (oh is was benched and the German shepherds were right next to the OES..Boy did I get razzed) Every one had great fun and when I was at the nationals in the rescue parade my boy was a panic It still comes up once in awhile and I laugh about it. What is,is and it was all in good fun as they say. A lot of the members that were there then are not around.......and I think here lately the forum has taken a "nasty" turn so to speak. I belond to a GSD forum and did belong to a lab forum but it turned nasty and I have no time for that...so I left. I am hoping I don't feel the need to stop viewing here because there are a lot of wonderful folks here who have guided me in the ways of the sheepdog. I don't think the OES is a totally dying breed just attend a national event. I think good breeders are selective in breeding and therefore there may be less. I always tell folks that see my dogs and ohhh and ahhh that sometimes they are a pain in the butt I laugh and tell them a lab trains out of love a GSD trains out of loyalty and an OES thinks "now what is in it for me" "maybe I will follow the command" My dogs have their CGC and one is a certified therapy dog. Then there are the grooming needs Some times I think just give me a lab, wash and wear dogs. I do love the breed and hope we all continue to give great advice , are there for each other in good times,bad times and sad times. AND be able to have cival discussions about our much loved breed. Geeze I thought the GSD breed people were pasonate (lack of a better word) because a GSD is so intense but I see a whole different side to the gentle oes breed folks. I will throw a log on the fire I so want an OES with a tail I think they are so beautiful  |
ravenmoonart wrote: A bit off topic perhaps... But can Ron or the mods maybe consider moving that entire discussion from "Negative Experiences With Backyard Breeders" to *HERE*? I think its an important discussion, but what is a newbie looking for a puppy going to think of it? Most likely: "Wow, this OESCA thing is really intense and negative, I think Ill just go with that nice friendly breeder who says her vet told her all her puppies are healthy!" Just my 2 cents as a (very) outside observer of the conversation. I partially agree Laurel, but the reason that discussion started there is because it does have some crucial relevance to that BYB thread. Namely that the newbie looking for a puppy is almost always (on this forum anyway) given the advice "check the OESCA-referred breeder list", and it's become clear to me and many others, that that newbie can end up going to that list and end up with a breeder who is essentially no better and no different than a crummy backyard breeder (again, there ARE some great breeders on that list too, but the point is they should ALL be great breeders, no exceptions, to be included on that list). The discussion went more off-topic in trying to understand HOW this has happened to OESCA. And the recent board vote against Amber joining just as a member is pretty damning evidence that something is seriously wrong with OESCA as an organization. So maybe the discussion should be moved, but it wasn't completely irrelevant to that thread. With OESCA as it stands now, I want the newbie looking for a puppy to come away thinking "hmmm, OESCA badge of approval is not enough", instead, they should be given advice and criteria to evaluate like in the following 2 posts: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=37059&p=502778#p502778 viewtopic.php?f=15&t=36494&p=492127#p492127 And again, I want to make it clear, I DO hope OESCA reforms itself and becomes the organization it should be.  |
4dognight wrote: What is,is and it was all in good fun as they say. A lot of the members that were there then are not around.......and I think here lately the forum has taken a "nasty" turn so to speak. I belond to a GSD forum and did belong to a lab forum but it turned nasty and I have no time for that...so I left. I am hoping I don't feel the need to stop viewing here because there are a lot of wonderful folks here who have guided me in the ways of the sheepdog. Well, this is one thing you say which I find really puzzling  I joined the forums just over 2 years ago, and I have been amazed at what a great caring community it has been, not long after I joined, there was the forum effort to save Gilligan's life, and that was amazing, and just a few months ago, the forum effort to save Abby's life, again, amazing! Not to mention all efforts in between on behalf of rescues (which I contributed to), as well as two successful Sheepiepaloozas where I made a lot of new friends and got to love a wide range of sheepies, and plans are already in the works for us to meet up more people, some of whom we've met already and some whom we haven't. So I do not agree at all that the forum has taken a "nasty" turn at all.The only "nasty" thing I can think of, is that there are actually some people who disapprove of the forum effort to save Abby's life. That leaves me completely flabbergasted. I can't believe there are dog lovers who think it was wrong for individuals to choose to spend their money to save a puppy. But I can only hope they are a very small minority (though sadly, at least one of them sits on the OESCA board). Overall, I find the forum community to be overwhelmingly positive and caring.  |
| David, how could the OESCA board vote against Amber joining as just a member. Does the one individual who thinks that saving Abby's life was wrong have that much pull on the board? I have met many of Amber's dogs as well as many dogs from well respected breeders here in Canada and I must say Amber's dogs are beautiful specimens of the breed. I am no breed standard expect by any means, but I can appreciate a beautiful sheepie when I see one. The people that I have met from this forum have been very welcoming, friendly and a pleasure to spend time with. I only wish we all lived closer so we could get together more often |
| Just read Cindy's comments and she has done lots of good work over the years & more than most of us put together . I have met people from the UK on this board & would like to meet you all. I don't think most people are nasty but they have there views & we all must respect them even if they don't match ours. Being honest I am one of the worst too bring up taboo subjects & maybe my views are diff to a lot of people |
Little Lizzy wrote: David, how could the OESCA board vote against Amber joining as just a member. Does the one individual who thinks that saving Abby's life was wrong have that much pull on the board? I have met many of Amber's dogs as well as many dogs from well respected breeders here in Canada and I must say Amber's dogs are beautiful specimens of the breed. I am no breed standard expect by any means, but I can appreciate a beautiful sheepie when I see one. The people that I have met from this forum have been very welcoming, friendly and a pleasure to spend time with. I only wish we all lived closer so we could get together more often Michele, I shouldn't answer for David but I'll give it a shot. David, if I'm off base, please feel free to correct me. There are 6 people on the board of directors of OESCA and 6 directors. From what I gather, there is no minimum number of board members that need to vote yay or nay on items facing the board. They could all abstain if they want. So if 1 person votes nay and the rest abstain, then the vote of that one person becomes the official ruling. What I'm not sure of is if the directors get a vote and if they do, does it carry the same weight as the board's. And in the case of a tie, who gets the tie-breaker vote. |
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