Sheepies with tails (rant)
 ) However, his owner I do not enjoy seeing. She acts like because lily is not a show dog and because she has a tail shes not as good as her dog.Guess what lady just because my sheepie isnt show quality and has a tail does not make her any less of a sheepie than yours! She loves just as hard, is just as sweet, has just as many crazy antics and is just as silly as any other sheepie out there! Sorry had to get it out before i see her again. Shes at the dog park everyday! |
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| People can be rude and nasty and downright mean. If she was so proud of her 'show quality' dog, then why does she let the poor thing be overweight? Take pride in the fact that your dog is sweet and loving. There should be awards for just being sweet! |
| We had sheepdogs long ago. We were interested in showing and then we weren't. They had fully docked tails. We just adopted a 2-year old sheepdog from a shelter. He has a stub of a tail -- it wags wonderfully when he's happy or excited -- it helps keep his butt clean He's met 120+ different people (gently for those under 4 feet tall) and made friends with many dogs (6 pounds to 150 pounds) in the 5 weeks we've had him. He's too leggy and not square enough to show. So !@#$%^&* what!! He is great!! |
| Funny, but don't sheepies that are show quality and champions have tails in England, Europe and Australia. Maybe you should remind her that it is in North America that we dock tails and if I'm correct a sheepie in N.A. with a tail would not be disqualified just because they have a tail. If this is not correct, someone please correct me. Sheepies are just pure love no matter what they are |
That's terrible!!!  ALL sheepies are adorable.....and while Millie doesn't have a tail...I do really love a sheepie with a tail. I like them both ways and there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Closed-minded elitist people really bother me.You know Lily is beautiful........We know Lily is beautiful......and if she can't see it then that is her loss! |
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ my feelings exactly~~~~~~~~~~~   |
throw poop on her.  (not the dog, silly)  |
AnInnocentEvil wrote: There is a lady that goes to the dog park in the next town over that also has a sheepie. He is adorable and incredibly overweight. Hes sweet and I enjoy seeing him. (Im not a sheepie person at all ) However, his owner I do not enjoy seeing. She acts like because lily is not a show dog and because she has a tail shes not as good as her dog.Guess what lady just because my sheepie isnt show quality and has a tail does not make her any less of a sheepie than yours! She loves just as hard, is just as sweet, has just as many crazy antics and is just as silly as any other sheepie out there! Sorry had to get it out before i see her again. Shes at the dog park everyday! I had my 1st sheepie in 1978 when the tails were docked  Duke;Sebby;Cubby;Reba;Chester; all docked Then we had Jade who was a rescue our 1st dog with a tail, I had to keep touching the tail ,the tail is just a bit more to LOVE  all 6 sheepies sadly are together in Rainbow bridge  We now have 3; Tia ;Lincoln ;Esher, who have tails with or without Tails we love Sheepies Next time you see that lady hold your head up high,knowing you have the love of the Sheepie forum peeps behind you.  |
| I would have sooooo much fun mentally torturing this woman, but in ways she wouldn't even realize for hours or days... That, or I'd do what dogmom said and get thrown out of the park for life. Vance |
You chan borrow Georgi & she is a show girl also has a tail She said she will be you champion |
Here is another with her tail for you She said as long as I can have a treat she will help out. She is a bit on the cheap side  |
| Its the typical, "My dogs better as its a show dog" Trust me ive met alot of people that wont let their dogs socialise or play because they are "show dogs" Bloo also has a tail A long floppy one in fact  I think the tail is the best feature on a sheepie. I would ignore her and carry on as normal Show dogs can have tails, just because one does have a tail doesnt mean they are different from the rest of the oes family  |
BlooBoo wrote: :roll: Its the typical, "My dogs better as its a show dog" Trust me ive met alot of people that wont let their dogs socialise or play because they are "show dogs" Bloo also has a tail A long floppy one in fact I think the tail is the best feature on a sheepie. I would ignore her and carry on as normal Show dogs can have tails, just because one does have a tail doesnt mean they are different from the rest of the oes family Our 3 are show dogs BUT they are and do play with other dogs,they do a lot of socialising with people , We have always let people,stroke and make a fuss of our dogs  |
Just remember Vance, there ARE other parks!!!  Now, if they put your picture in a big red circle with the line through it, that's another story |
| My Butchy has his little stub of a tail, don't know why but I wouldn't trade him for anything. |
| Dog mom, I say bring it on. Putting someone in their well-deserved place is worth it. We have two dog parks within 15 minutes of the house and a third one being built as we speak. |
| I wish! We only have one dog park and its in the next town over. They approved one in our town and have all the funding and it should be built in the next couple months. Til then no poo throwing for me... |
| In the mean time, work on that accuracy!!! Vance |
Vance wrote: In the mean time, work on that accuracy!!! Vance I see a life-sized cutout figure being made as we speak.....  |
ICH wrote: My Butchy has his little stub of a tail, don't know why. It's because the vet who docked his litter didn't know how to properly dock an OES. A lot of BYB dogs, including my rescue girl, have stubs, some of them, like Dazz, several inches long. A few years ago I had a first time OES backyard /oops <?> litter breeder contact me wanting to know where to take her impending litter to get their tails done properly. Not many vets have experience in docking the breed, so some dock them like they dock other breeds, most of whom have a stub of varying lengths. She (or her vet) were aware of that, so she sought out an experienced vet. Around here bad docking seems to be the norm. Some BYBs don't bother docking at all, but not many since in this country an OES like dog with a tail is presumed to be a mix. Now, there's nothing wrong with a mix, but they can't charge as much for them. Kristine |
| "Show Quality" is akin to "Intelligence Quotient." Both refer to potential, not actual, success. This dog may have started life with all the right physical characteristics, but a winning show dog also requires lots of time, energy, training, and commitment on the part of the uprights. (Tell me if I'm wrong, show folks!) A high IQ means the potential is there, but (and this comes from someone with a genius for a father and a rocket scientist for a brother), it doesn't mean they've learned to turn the stove off when they're done with it. Let your furbaby enjoy the playtime, and every time this snob starts to say something, take one step away and start humming a little Beethoven (maybe the Ode to Joy will brighten your spirits?) And work on that throwing arm. |
BlooBoo wrote: :roll: Its the typical, "My dogs better as its a show dog" Trust me ive met alot of people that wont let their dogs socialise or play because they are "show dogs" Bloo also has a tail A long floppy one in fact I think the tail is the best feature on a sheepie. I would ignore her and carry on as normal Show dogs can have tails, just because one does have a tail doesnt mean they are different from the rest of the oes family Sadly in any walk of life there will always be the snobbery - its human life - whether its professionally or socially. I find if you smile sweetly at them they dont know what to do. Sam, I am sorry to hear that you have met a lot of show people that wont socialise or play due to them being show dogs. However, there maybe other reasons other than them being a show dog. Showing a dog takes a lot of hard work, sweat and tears. The amount of grooming before a show as each dog has to be clear of knots, while I am writing this posting Mom is currently on the floor grooming Lincoln in preparation for a show in less than two weeks time! Once we arrive at the show (often spending hours and hours driving and probably getting lost with the sat nav giving wrong directions!) we have to put lots of back combing in to get the desired effect of the head & bum being a shape of a ball and the while the hocks and paws are brushed and fluffed out. The chest and shoulders are brushed downwards. The tail is just combed through as currently there is no standard on this in the UK. So as I have always said we brush the knots out to put them back in again - drives me mad at times!! Then there is the training - getting them to stand and let the judge go over them - showing their teeth etc is no easy feat as they also have to learn the normal every day commands as well (sit, flat etc) Then there is the running - some judges make handler and dog move an awful lot and why not as they were originally bred to work with sheep and therefore they should be able to run and run around the show ring. The handler probably not so <G> Our gang are pets, part of the family and showing is a expensive hobby. The only time I dislike any one touching mine is just before I am to go in the ring as the preparation of getting every hair in its place is hours and hours. I remember this happening once at Crufts, a boy came over and touched the head of a well known dog (without asking the handler!) just before he went in for the challenge - the boy totally flatterned the coat and the handler was almost in tears. About 10 people came over to try and get the head coat into the shape and style needed with moments to spare. I think someone may have said to the boy to ask in future whether you are able to touch a dog. Dont forget that by people showing their dogs means that the breed of dog you love is still around as without them being in the show ring the breed would have died. Sadly we are losing numbers and the breed is decling to the point that I can see the OES breed in the UK being put on the Rare Breeds Register - I hope I am wrong as this would be a sad day for the OES. Each UK breeder would have studied the pedigrees to see who to mate their dam too to get the soundness required - its not a question of having two dogs and lets see what happends - its a case of seeing who the grandparents are, whats the temperants like, is the look the one one is looking for within the breeding programme. What are the results of the health testing - Hips, Eyes currently although Elbows and PCD are coming in. The list of questions are endless and often tiresome, believe me! I enjoy looking at a dogs pedigrees as its wonderful to see who their greats are and remember with love these wonderful dogs from the yester year that I have grown up with within the world of showing. The people I dislike with a passion is the puppy farmers - who will breed and breed OES with no thought to anything other than the pound signs. It drives me mad - the resues then have to deal with these dogs as these are often the ones, with no fault of their own, that have health problems and behavioural problems etc. Now thats my rant over....... |
Mad Dog wrote: ICH wrote: My Butchy has his little stub of a tail, don't know why. It's because the vet who docked his litter didn't know how to properly dock an OES. A lot of BYB dogs, including my rescue girl, have stubs, some of them, like Dazz, several inches long. A few years ago I had a first time OES backyard /oops <?> litter breeder contact me wanting to know where to take her impending litter to get their tails done properly. Not many vets have experience in docking the breed, so some dock them like they dock other breeds, most of whom have a stub of varying lengths. She (or her vet) were aware of that, so she sought out an experienced vet. Around here bad docking seems to be the norm. Some BYBs don't bother docking at all, but not many since in this country an OES like dog with a tail is presumed to be a mix. Now, there's nothing wrong with a mix, but they can't charge as much for them. Kristine I was pretty sure this is why he has the little stub, either the vet didn't know the proper way or he erred and it grew. He was the last puppy left and that could be the reason. He is a good boy and he is smart so his little affliction is nothing for me to worry about. |
| You were looking for a trim and fit dog.......leave the rest unspoken. If you must, you can inform her PETA is trying very hard to eliminate all docking (ARGH!!)**....so the lady better get used to tailed sheepdogs. **No we don't need to discuss this. |
SheepieBoss wrote: You were looking for a trim and fit dog.......leave the rest unspoken. If you must, you can inform her PETA is trying very hard to eliminate all docking (ARGH!!)**....so the lady better get used to tailed sheepdogs. **No we don't need to discuss this. Don't get this comment ? |
| Peta (people for ethical treatment of animals) (wack job extremist group that tried to get fished called sea kittens) is trying to eliminate tail docking in the usa. We dont need to dicuss tail docking or peta in this thread. |
| Did not know about them being honest. Is this what this lady in the park was going on about is tails. As long as you & your dog are happy & it don't harm the dog & that should but to the person who breeds or owns the dog also I thought the issue was about my dog is better than yours as it has a tail & its a show dog & then we got into a park issue. I am a bit lost on this |
Lily has a tail and standard is to dock in the us. She sees that as her not being as good as her show dog. The issue is her not seeing lily being as good as her retired show dog. She must not be a sheepie maybe only part just because she has a tail (hers was born with one too  as they all are.) Which makes lily not as good.I love lily and i wouldnt trade her for the top sheepie in the world. |
| Could not agree with you on this 100%. Its what you dog is to you not some old cow ( should not say this) |
AnInnocentEvil wrote: Lily has a tail and standard is to dock in the us. She sees that as her not being as good as her show dog. The issue is her not seeing lily being as good as her retired show dog. She must not be a sheepie maybe only part just because she has a tail . How do you know she feels that way? She told you that? Or she told you her dog's background and yet didn't go ga-ga over your dog, so you assume she feels your dog is inferior? I mean, you've already slung insults at hers, so it seems to be a mutual thing. Or maybe there's something entirely different going on. Many years ago I used to attend a dog park which was also frequented by an OES mix. He was not my favorite dog, not because he was a mix, or because he was not even a very pretty mix - there are some really cute ones out there - but because he had a horrible temperament and used to start dog fights all the time. He got along fine with my bitches, probably because they were all bitches, plus they get along with everything, so his owner would tag along with my guys when we were there, but then periodically get into loud, bloody dog fights with passing dogs, which was not only uncomfortable for my dogs, but also embarrassing for the breed's reputation, because most people don't know what an OES is supposed to look like, so they thought he WAS an OES, and that his behavior might be typical of the breed. And though I went out of my way to be nice to his owners, I stopped going after a while. Maybe they thought I was a snob. They never seemed to grasp that maybe their dog was in the wrong and probably didn't belong there. Well, the wife did, I think. The husband was freaking clueless. I wanted to suggest to the wife that she have him neutered. The husband, I mean <g> Point being, things aren't always as they seem, and all we have is one side of the story. But you're on the right track. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of your dog. As long as you think she's wonderful, that's all that matters. Kristine |
| Oh thats horrible. Lily plays well with all dogs big and small. Shes only been in one fight and it wasnt at the dog park. It was with my friends insane lab. She hasnt outright said it to me. I had a feeling she felt that way but couldnt prove it until she rolled eyes and shrugged her shoulders right in front of me when I was talking to someone else about lily and she felt the need to join in on the conversation that way. Ya she interjected herself into the convo. I think she mentions her dog is an ex show dog at least 3-5 times, even though ive been talking to her for 2 yrs. The only other sheepies ive ever seen her treat as equal as her dog was at lilys bday party and it was a show dog related to her dog. It really pissed me off, it was rude. I just backed away instead of creating a scene I really dont think i will be able to bite my tounge the next time. My mom i guess has had an issue with the as well with her male sheepie, who is regestered, docked and the only thing that disqualifys him is cleft palet and an underbite. |
Quote: only thing that disqualifys him is cleft palet and an underbite. Is this the much vaulted show dog? |
SheepieBoss wrote: Quote: only thing that disqualifys him is cleft palet and an underbite. Is this the much vaulted show dog? Its my moms sheepie. Which i found out the lady also looks down upon. I talked to my mom and apperently she has had issues with this lady looking down on her sheepies too. She told the lady " whether you see it or not they are the same" and refuses to talk to the lady since and include her in sheepie activities. It could be why shes being so out right rude to me now. Its her loss. I have plenty of nice sheepie people in my life (including all of you guys) that love all sheepies, rescue, show, with or without tails. |
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