She HATES the collar
Anywho - she is HATING the collar. It's pretty obvious that she's never had one one before, and she spends quite a bit of time scratching at it, rubbing it against walls and counters trying to remove it. I take pity and let her sleep without it - but I'm wondering if this is just a tough love situation, and I need to just keep it on her. It's just her puppy face is so.... so sad and cute.... that I cave in and take it off.... Thoughts? |
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| I dont leave mine on when they are inside. If they go for walks or in the car then they wear them. Also just an fyi- we had a friend who left her puppies collar on when she was in the crate and the puppy hung herself when her tag got caught in the door grate. Might want to becareful in the crate with it. |
| So you didn't have to go through a period of them getting used to it? Ugh. She just won't leave it alone. The second she's not really doing anything - she's scratching at it. I do take it off when she's in the crate, and it doesn't have any tags on it - but I bet that probably wouldn't matter. She could probably still get it latched on something. I just want her to get used to having something around her neck, so that when she does have to wear it, she's not so miserable. |
| i only keep a collar on my boys when we go for a walk do you have a fenced in yard he is young and will get use to it maybe a few hours a day when she is not in the crate |
Yes, our yard is fenced - I've just been told we need a collar for training. I can't imagine she'll train just real well if she's constantly trying to get the collar off her neck.  |
 Don't stress the collar too much. Her resistance to it will only last a little while. I don't leave collars on my dogs inside either for the reasons stated. That doesn't mean you can't leave the collar on when you're there with her, say watching TV or something. Play with her a bit, give her a few cookies and she'll soon forget about the collar. KB |
| All above advice is all good. I don't leave collars on in the house either so with the new puppy I created a routine. I always use the collar and leash when we go outside to potty. I have the leash and collar by the door in the beginning I would stop at the door--put the collar on and give him a treat--then attach the leash and in a happy voice say 'let's go'. The same routine--over and over and over. After the first few times he didn't resist the collar or leash as he was busy going out the door and then potty. As he got used to the routine--we go to the door and I have him sit and wait--I put the collar and leash on--he gets a treat and then "let's go" and out we go. Now I am working on going to the door--sit--leash collar-wait-I go out the door first and he follows--go potty etc. By using this same routine over and over--I am able to add little things that I am trying to teach him--and the leash and collar quickly became a 'normal' part of going out the door. That has just worked well for me-- |
| Mine (the OES) only wear their collars when we go places. So when the collars come out, they dive into them (we use martingales, so they slip on over their heads.) Pretty handy, like teaching them to jump through a hoop! Bond was dorky getting used to his...he had this weird walk. He was trying to walk and scratch it at the same time. Looked like he had a real problem...then you just had to laugh! |
| We are the same as Dawn, we only use collars when going out, which to my girls means something fun, so they sit pretty for their collars as they know that after the collars comes some fun adventure. |
got sheep wrote: So when the collars come out, they dive into them Chowder hated the collar too! We ended up with a training harness which we still use, and we only use it for going places and she DIVES into in excitement. It makes putting it on a breeze! |
| Echoing everyone else, collars only go on when we're going outside on leash (not just in the backyard). The leashes stay clicked onto the collars then, so it's really a leash/collar combo and when we grab them, the dogs get happy because they know they're going somewhere. I wonder if this is more typical for sheepdog owners? Seems to me that a lot of people with "regular" dogs keep their collars on fulltime. It would just cause more mats, and distort the flow of the coat on a full-coated sheepie. And I figure it'd just be more comfortable without the collar on for any dog anyway. Oh, and regardless of whether you use the collar inside or just outside, seems typical for puppies to fight against the collar/leash at the start. At least both Mady and Gracie did, but they got over it quickly once they realized collar/leash = funtimes. |
| Ack, sooooo conflicted now. 1. She's 9 weeks old - so we haven't taught her to "sit and wait" yet. And all my books etc recommend having a collar (and sometimes a leash as well) when training them to do such things. Is it necessary, or not? She's too young for puppy classes yet, and she's getting naughty enough that some manners need to start being instilled pretty quickly. 2. If I make her sit and wait when going out to go potty - she'll probably just go on the floor. We're still in the "oh I have to pee - ok I'm peeing right here!" stage. Should I still try this technique? 3. We don't "go" anywhere, because she's still in the midst of puppy shots - though I guess we could ride in the car. This is so much like being a new parent. There is so much information out there, and I'm brand new at all of it, so I have no idea what (esp. in these books) is "good" information vs. "bad" information. I probably trust you guys more than any book, simply because you all have the same KIND of dog I do, whereas the books are "general dog". Blah. I tasked my children with starting to teach her a "sit & stay" today. We'll see what happens. She is getting the hang of the bells I hung up for going outside though. 4. I do see what you're saying about the collar vs. matts. This is our first sheepie, and I've never had a dog that matted at all, so that never occurred to me. |
| I used to leave Ziggi's collar off when we were inside and had the lease-collar combo. She would get happy when I grabbed it because it meant going outside. Now that Ziggi is blind in one eye, losing sight in the other and going deaf, I leave it on all the time so that I can grab her if she is heading the wrong way or into some danger. If it wasn't for that, her collar would be off in the house and yard. |
SamHeinous wrote: Ack, sooooo conflicted now. 1. She's 9 weeks old - so we haven't taught her to "sit and wait" yet. And all my books etc recommend having a collar (and sometimes a leash as well) when training them to do such things. Is it necessary, or not? She's too young for puppy classes yet, and she's getting naughty enough that some manners need to start being instilled pretty quickly. 2. If I make her sit and wait when going out to go potty - she'll probably just go on the floor. We're still in the "oh I have to pee - ok I'm peeing right here!" stage. Should I still try this technique? 3. We don't "go" anywhere, because she's still in the midst of puppy shots - though I guess we could ride in the car. This is so much like being a new parent. There is so much information out there, and I'm brand new at all of it, so I have no idea what (esp. in these books) is "good" information vs. "bad" information. I probably trust you guys more than any book, simply because you all have the same KIND of dog I do, whereas the books are "general dog". Blah. I tasked my children with starting to teach her a "sit & stay" today. We'll see what happens. She is getting the hang of the bells I hung up for going outside though. 4. I do see what you're saying about the collar vs. matts. This is our first sheepie, and I've never had a dog that matted at all, so that never occurred to me. Just wanted to note to you--we did not do the 'sit & wait' at first!! Just the collar & leash--treat--and go! It was quick! I was also very good at 'timing' the potty runs. She isn't old enough yet to wait The 'sit & wait' came later--and we are still going through our routine. |
sheepiezone wrote: Just wanted to note to you--we did not do the 'sit & wait' at first!! Just the collar & leash--treat--and go! It was quick! I was also very good at 'timing' the potty runs. She isn't old enough yet to wait The 'sit & wait' came later--and we are still going through our routine. Same with Mady, we didn't start training her sit/wait the first 2 weeks she was home. But all the training DID happen with her on leash, because we did not use treats to train her. We needed the leash and collar to help manipulate the behaviour. |
| Ramsey isn't a huge fan of his collar either. I only put it on him when he's going on walks, he HATED it the first time, omg you would have thought someone was murdering him, haha. He is getting used to it slowly, he is learning the collar means, WE'RE GOING OUT! I don't keep collars on them at home, or when we are playing at a family/friends, sometimes not even at the dog park. For me, this works better as I find a lot of dogs grab at my older one, Laylas, collar to hold her down (she's very fast, so when they catch her, they are like WOOOO) and I have read an article somewhere, where the 2 dogs were playing, and grabbing each others collars, one broke the others neck. They were littermates actually. If I can find the article, I will post it. I worked on A LOT of off leash training with her, and she is amazing off leash, she will come back no matter where we go, stay, etc., that is something you should consider training as well. But eventually, Ava will get used to it and associate it and the sound too with something fun! |
SamHeinous wrote: 2. If I make her sit and wait when going out to go potty - she'll probably just go on the floor. We're still in the "oh I have to pee - ok I'm peeing right here!" stage. Should I still try this technique?. For house training we took her to the same spot in the yard to pee and poop every time. If she went we put the collar and leash on there to walk otherwise we went back in. If we put it on inside we would have had pee on the floor too. Afte awhile she just got used to it because she was distracted whenever it was on. Hope that helps clear it up. |
| LOL! It doesn't take long to realize collars and long hair don't go together, no matter the collar. As a young pup though I would keep in the collar just to become used to it. As the hair grows and mats develop, bye bye full time collar. So of course get your puppy chipped as soon as the vet recommends......just in case. When my guys go into short coat, on goes the collar again. I use the jewelry jingle to identify who is nearby....different numbers of tags and they way they shake their head to get your attention.....mother's know. DH is clueless. Plus their yard is out front and we don't want the dog catcher seeing them tagless , even if they are in the yard. |
| I have a dalmatian and his collar stays on all time - no matts. I put it on him when he was a pup and he just got used to it. I did the same with my kitten. Tiggy my OES doesn't wear a collar all the time as she is in full coat and matts. You could try getting her used to the collar by making it fun. Put it on give her a treat, take it off, put it on give her a treat etc. Whenever anything fun is happening put the collar on first, ie meals, trips in the car, games. You get the double benefit of association between collar and fun and distraction so she notices it less. |
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