recall
he isnt treat motivated, but he likes his toy. my trainer recommended going back to basics. she said hes too strong for long line, so take him im tennis courts n dont let run free on the field until i get his focus. ive tried everything, cheese,bacon,tuggy toy, ball etc...he still goes off.. he DOES come back but nly when he wants to!! anyone got any extra advice other than get him neutered???its not good when he runs off n splats little dogs!! thanks xxx |
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That's not a neuter issue, it's a training issue.  Short version - don't let him off lead and call him if you know he won't come back. Yes - go back to basics. no more off lead for him . Use a long line (they make long heavy ones for dogs who do tracking or hunting dogs) Sadly, he has learned a recall is optional by you calling him, and him not coming. Too late now to undo that part - so you will have to work double hard to overcome that. Only on lead -an exception would be somewhere you are going to be for a longer while, so he tires out and you are very certain the recall won't be an issue. Find what he likes, and use it only when he comes - a toy, a game, whatever is his favorite. Big one - don't have him come, and then end the fun. If you always call him and put him away, or go home, or whatever he likes ENDS because you called him...  see where this is going?Play come games - call him, play and then let him go. Do this often to get him happier to come. And if you get in a situation where you just know he won't come, it's better to not call him (again - don't reinforce that come is optional - don't call him if you KNOW he's not going to come). Hope this helps! |
| I second everything Dawn said. It sucks to move backwards, but he's only going to get Bigger and more set in his ways. start NOW!!! |
Dawn gave great advice, as always. (You think recall with a hearing dog is tough, try it with a deaf one!  ) I think she's dead on in that Bloo is equating the recall with the end of fun. With Oscar, we started with the 6 ft lead. I gave him the "sit-stay", and backed away to the end of the lead. I gave him the "come" command, and gently started reeling him in to me, giving him a nummy treat when he sat in front of me. We did this about a billion times, until he was reliable. Then I brought out the 30 ft lead. Same principle, longer lead. If he didn't respond, I gently started reeling him in until he reached me, and got a treat. Then I would let him wander and get interested in something else, and start again. When the time came to leave the park, I walked to him, gave him a "heel" command, and we went home. "Come" always meant something good. (We also did a "here" command which was much more informal. It basically meant to come back to my general area. "Come" meant run to me and sit directly in front of me, practically on my feet.) Since Oscar was diagnosed with his autoimmune disorder 6 years ago, he's been unable to be off lead outside, so I am always within 6 ft of him at any given time. Because of this, I realized about a few months ago that I had not done a "come" command literally in years! Just for the heck of it, I grabbed a handful of kibble, caught Oscar's eye in the house, and did the hand signal. He jumped up, ran to me, and sat directly in front of me!  Quite frankly, I was stunned! He's such a good boy!Laurie and Oscar |
got sheep wrote: And if you get in a situation where you just know he won't come, it's better to not call him (again - don't reinforce that come is optional - don't call him if you KNOW he's not going to come). Hope this helps! What Dawn says, and add this to your arsenal: if you nonetheless end up in an emergency where you really need him to come but don't think he will, just call his name once and run laughing and yacking nonsense in a high pitched voice, flapping arms, whatever, but happily loud and fast/jerky in the other direction. That way it's not come, it's chase me! Note: he needs to chase you, not the other way around!  And then PLAY with him when he comes, even if it means taking the time to quick slap a lead on him first  but the emphasis is on play. If you don't have a toy on you, rough him up a little (playfully), poke him with your hand or you knee (not too hard, this is play) and then entice him to come towards you. Poke him again, leap back and forth a little enticing him to come into you. Do not fall for the trap to turn around and chase him - you can't win. If he comes but then wants to play keep away, beat him at his own game, take off again. He can chase YOU. Not the other way around. And whatever you do end with play. Might as well reinforce that you can be fun and aren't just the fun police Recalls are tough. You're competing with a lot of good things out there and, let's face it, he has you all the time, all of these other great things, (other dogs, people, scents, furry critters, whatever he considers attractive) not so much. Kristine |
| I saw that "catch me" technique used by Victoria Stillwell. Just like the above post described. Call Bloo and go in the opposite direction. Since he is a sheepie I assume that he has that drive to come and chase/herd you so use it to your advantage. I don't know if you can search Victoria Stillwell and see if the episode is on-line to see it is action. |
| These are all great suggestions! Thanks everyone! I have to get Sam better at recall! Right now he's stubborn and comes only when he wants too! I'm definitely going to practice and "train" myself to do better with him! |
| http://animal.discovery.com/videos/vict ... -training/ cheers you can browse for other training videos on site.  |
| he can sit stay etc... and he does come back BUT only when he wants too! Like today for instance, i took him on the field and he ran off to a boxer pup, then they were running wild for 10 minutes, then cassie came on and then he was running with her. But he runs near the gates and as he doesnt come backim so worried hell run out onto the road  Ive taken on all youve said dawn ill try that. Trouble with long lines is that he gets tangled and when he goes it yanks my arm out, very dangerous He turns to look, he comes running back, but goes straight past me . He used to be FANTASTIC at his recall, but since 2 weeks ago the devils got into him! He has taken a huge leap backwards and think hes the best. Thanks for the help xxx sam  Fingers crossed itll get better  ps: at agilityt night trainer put him on long line and i was getting him ready for a jump when eek!!! hE RAN STRAIGHT OVER TO LOGAN, I TOLD THE trainer hed run off but she never believed me, so im kinda glad he did that as now she knows what we have to go through on a regular basis.. Ive picked up loads of advice off everyone so thankyou so much, i am going o try even harder (even though i know he wont come back for anything! ) Ive tried treats, nope. Ive tried running and shouting bloo high pitched waiting for him to chse me , nope, ive even tried leaving him on a long line dragging behind me so i can quickl put my foot on it and drag him back in, nope we just end up in a tangled mess... ran outta ideas. I dont believe its a training issue neither does my trainer, as he used to be fab at it, never used to run off, but now since last week hes started to do it. My trainer is helping me every week, shes lent me a DVD and stuff, hopefully we should see some change once hes neutered. hes being done in april Hes a 11month old male dog, stubborn abnoxuos and thinks hes clever. Its just a case of snapping him outta that trance. THANKS oops forgot to add, thats what im doing at the moment, playing tuggy everytime he returns, which is fine in the garden and huse, bu when we go to the field playing tuggy, he spots a dog he gone for another hour. when we think weve cracked it, hes lost iot again, |
| Yes, what Dawn says and also what Kristine says are right on. Prevention is now imperative. The more you have let or continue to let this happen, the more difficult it will be to cure. So do everything you can to never let this happen again and you will hopefully one day be able to let your puppy off lead again. There is a DVD you might find helpful called "Really Reliable Recall" available at Clean Run. www.cleanrun.com Here is a link to the DVD. http://www.cleanrun.com/index.cfm?fusea ... e%20recall There is also a booklet by the same name from the same author available at Dog Wise. www.dogwise.com Linda Zimmerman (who over time has learned that without a really reliable recall no dog should be permitted off leash unless confined within a fenced perimeter) |
| Thanks. . . . . . . . Thats the DVD the trainer lent me. I watched it yesterday. I cant find anything bloo is interested in, ill be playing then he will drop the toy and run to the dog(which is on the other side of the park!) ITS ONLY HAPPENED SINCE HE HAD HIS HAIR CUT!!! I think hes lighter now so he thinks he can fly! He thinks playing with other dogs is more fun... someone told me i have to be the most important thing to my dog... well..yes but however much i play with him and fuss him he isnt interseted. If its between me and another dog, he would choose dog. :/  |
It could also be his age - when Inca was that age she would not come back for ANYTHING. Treats, toys, running, leaving her.. when she wanted to play with another dog there was just no stopping her - we could sometimes be at the car (which is along a gravel track and well out of sight of the field where we walk) and she would still be on the field, completely oblivious to anything. However, we 're-trained' her recall (with a long line) repetitively every single day for months.. she was PERFECT - until.. you guessed it.. another dog came into the mix. Then, all bets were off, she would simply be deaf to anything I said.  So you are definitely not alone..!One thing I did notice at that time was when we went for a walk with another dog, she would not run off.. I think she was happy to have one dog to play with, the others weren't so interesting. So what we started to do was train her with that dog. Let them play - called her (or both dogs - it helps if the other one has a good recall) - then let her go play again. Then she learns coming back isn't so bad, and she gets to go back and play again. We did this with regular play too, when another dog wasn't available, she loved playing with her football.. so one of us would play with her, the other would call, and the game would stop until she had recalled, then she got to go back and play. I don't know which technique worked.. but eventually.. one day.. it all paid off. Now, we go for walks and she never goes more than 20 feet away to meet or play with another dog, and as soon as I call her she's right there with me - no more dog that forgets I exist Saxon.. on the other hand.. is another story  he can not use a long line - I imagine for similar reasons to Bloo.. he just runs too hard, without much warning, and he would definitely get hurt if I tried to hold on. But he is another story entirely.. as he doesn't really get off lead anyway.. (although, his in-house recall is way better than Inca's).Anyway - you will get there, just persevere and even if you don't see results right away, just remember all training will help in the long-run |
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