Is there any sheepdog there?

http://www.petfinder.com/pet-search?ani ... 20Sheepdog

Had a call today about them today. A very nice lady wants a sheepdog, but I don't know if there is a sheepdog there. Check out Maya and Ava, they are precious no matter what.

Respond to this topic here on forum.oes.org

FWIW, there is a woman with sheepdogs not too far from Weatherford. I used to see ads in the paper for her "rescues," usually in the 600-800 range.

This is supposed to be a shelter.

They are not coming up on the link and this has been going on for about a week on and off with this listing
(through another group)

I have been told by BC Rescue they are not Beardie(maybe OES) but,I have yet to see the pics of the girls

If they are Beardie or kind of Beardie OES mixes we can try to get them in through BONE but, I have not seen anything

Thanks Betsy!!!!
Let me know if you can find pics to see who can help if needed

Adorable!!
But... the price on eBay Classifieds is $1,500.

I understand this may be pulled by moderators but compare the pictures, location and copyright on the pictures.

http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/21979315
http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/21979301

http://dallas.ebayclassifieds.com/dogs- ... z1jgSEsAjZ

Phooey didn't realize they were with another rescue :oops:

My little brain gets confused!

Working on a project for Weatherford PD. If anyone is thinking of adopting one of these beauties I will be happy to pick up.

This is the same person/group/rescue that offers the dogs in the Dallas newspaper periodically.

I know because I called them about a pair of Sheepies a few years ago. Supposedly the owner was a pilot who didn't have time for the male and female any more. I think they were a year old, intact. She wanted 600 for the female and 800 for the male, for rehoming.

Something made me uncomfortable with the situation and I dropped it.

I think this is kind of messed up if I am seeing this correctly.... Does this person have them for sale for $1500 and has them listed on Petfinder? I guess I always view Petfinder as animals that need adopting not animals that are for sale for profit?

Am I missing something here?

NJ_Sheepie wrote:

Petfinder should be alerted of their activity and I think they would pull their privilege to use the site.
I can not imagine anybody adopting would pay anywhere near 1500 for a pup :roll:

I contacted TX about these pups. If you look at the ebay classifieds on the photo of these puppies, it has All God's Creatures stamped in the lower rh corner of each photo. So I contacted All God's Creatures to see about the ad on ebay and pet finder. What they explained to me is that each year someone donates a litter of old english sheepdog/poodle puppies to the organization for them to sell and the money all goes to All God's Creatures to help feed/house all the other rescue animals. Really nice email response from them. They are even willing to let whoever purchases these puppies put it on a payment plan (kind of like a monthly donation to any organization). Sounds like a nice way to raise money for the rescue pups that are not as easily adopted....

Did anyone see the cute blue eyed baby OES on petfinder that is located in Arizona at a shelter? It was placed on there yesterday and I contacted them last night, she had already been adopted. I think she's seven months old and a real doll! I asked them if she had been adopted through a rescue organization and she said no, that someone just walking through wanted her. Hope she got a great home!

wannabasheepowner wrote:

So someone deliberately breeds a mixed litter to help a rescue? That just seems counter intuitive to me.

Yeah, I guess so...unfortunately, people pay $$$ for the poodle, lab, sheepdog mixes?

So petfinder is only for rescue dogs ? Also I do understand why rescue would like money as they need it to run the place & vet bills. I allways think that if a person who could not look after a animal & did not have money issues they should donate as well also the person picking up the dog should try and give as much as they can. If we win food at dog shows we give the food to rescue homes. All of us should give brushes,combs,toys & other things as it all helps. We should all make a effort this year & try & donate things what you don't use at home I know alot of you do driving to pickup dogs

I can understand a rescue needing money, but deliberately bringing into the world a litter of dogs to raise money to help dogs who need rescue just does not make sense to me.

I am with you on that Mady. I think the rescue have enough issues trying to find homes for there dogs let alone donated pups. Don't understand the way some people think

quote="wannabasheepowner"]I contacted TX about these pups. If you look at the ebay classifieds on the photo of these puppies, it has All God's Creatures stamped in the lower rh corner of each photo. So I contacted All God's Creatures to see about the ad on ebay and pet finder. What they explained to me is that each year someone donates a litter of old english sheepdog/poodle puppies to the organization for them to sell and the money all goes to All God's Creatures to help feed/house all the other rescue animals. Really nice email response from them. They are even willing to let whoever purchases these puppies put it on a payment plan (kind of like a monthly donation to any organization). Sounds like a nice way to raise money for the rescue pups that are not as easily adopted....[/quote]

I am trying really hard to wrap my brain around this :tea:

Somebody breeds a litter of puppies to donate to rescue????? :evil:

We in rescue try to steer away from irresponsible breeding...
We take in dogs that people can not/will not keep!
Are these dogs that they are selling for 1500 dollars responsibly placed/sold?
Only asking as, we keep in touch with each family that adopts a dog from us and it is not an easy process to adopt from a good rescue.
(Just saying we screen homes very well)

You can not use a litter of puppies to "make money" for another dog that may need help....
I am sorry that is just crazy :cry:

What about the poor dog that is being used for that purpose?? Is that fair to her?

Speaking from experience, I have a gal in rescue that was used as a money maker(we have had a few come infor that reason)
Tomorrow, we go BACK to the vet for more blood work, urinalysis, physical, etc....oh, forgot to mention she is blind

Where are all the puppies she produced? No clue but, I am sure the breeder made a few bucks at her loss
Oh yes, I forgot to mention when she was dumped at the shelter she had maggots in her ears, mammary tumor and severe arthritis
I love this girl and we will do everything for her but, lining somebody's pocket was not the price she should have to pay!

On another note, we got a litter of puppies turned in.......all were very ill and two are deaf
Trust me, no money is made off of pups in a true rescue!

I am sorry, this just angers me :evil:

If any group is doing rescue to make money they are NOT doing it for the right reasons!

Phew...I could go on and on but, I won't bore anybody too much :oops:

The stories rescues could tell is so long

I hope all the pups they have end up in good homes, I wonder though :lmt:

Kathy this is as good a time as any to ask a question I have had for ages. We post often on this forum about how to find a good breeder. Do you guys in rescue have any similar kind of way to find a good rescue? Although we have not had any rescue dogs ourselves, we would like to support those doing such fine work, but I am getting a bit cynical about a few that I have come across in Ottawa. How does one sort out which rescue is good?

Some "shelters" and "rescues" are, in reality, dog brokers and get the title of shelter or rescue for the tax break. Doing business that way certainly removes any thought of them being "reputable."

I don't have much experience with rescues but I have never seen or heard of the quantity, variety and quality of dog that some of these "rescues" offer.

Mady wrote:

That is a good question

Read this earlier on my way out the door and have been thinking :lmt:

There SHOULD be a list of things to look for in a rescue.

I guess the main thing is ask questions, of course all dogs need to have been seen by a vet and updated on whats needed.
I am first to tell potential adopters what we do while the dogs are in our care. We do not typically have any info on parents, health, pedigree etc.....
IMHO, all reputable rescues(like breeders) should take the dogs back at any point in their lives. Also, be there to support the family when needed
What I tell people is to me that is one of the most important parts of the contract and I do check on all of them.
The family that adopted my first two foster dogs ever are coming tomorrow from MD to adopt one of the pups. So, yep we keep in touch!

Honestly, I have said for years that having a 501(c)3 does not make a group reputable, not saying most aren't but, twice in the last two days there have been cases of this status being abused.
Makes you wonder, makes it harder on all of the groups that are trying hard to make a difference

I am sure I will have more to add as the evening goes by :oops:

Would love to hear what others think....

Well, I know the list on the main page here on the org is maintained by Grannie Annie from New England OES Rescue, probably the most recognized and largest rescue for sheepdogs. That is always a good place to start! There are probably others out there too that are not listed.

Here is the link: http://www.oes.org/html/oes_rescue.shtml

Mady wrote:

Do you guys in rescue have any similar kind of way to find a good rescue? Although we have not had any rescue dogs ourselves, we would like to support those doing such fine work, but I am getting a bit cynical about a few that I have come across in Ottawa. How does one sort out which rescue is good?

Good points. Another is to either visit the place where the dog being considered is being homed or speak to someone you can trust who has. It's a known fact that some people with good intentions go overboard and take in more dogs than can be handled. And once they have them, they believe they are the only ones that can properly care for them. Ever seen the show "Hoarders"? It happens more than people think.

We don't always meet people in our homes or in the homes of our fosters because we often help with transportation, per their request. Adopters are always welcome to visit. We never have more than four dogs at our house due to POA restrictions so it's very manageable.

Having a 501(c) has a lot of benefits, especially in fundraising. It doesn't mean a rescue is reputable but many shelters won't allow dogs to be pulled by rescues that aren't. It's been worth the effort to have it just because people like the tax deduction they can take for donations.

wannabasheepowner wrote:

http://www.classifieds12.com/cats-kitte ... rford.html

http://www.oodle.com/seller/micah-l/1155328/closed/
http://www.uship.com/profile/mt/

Rescues and breeders who donate puppies, kittens, etc. to them to use as fundraisers just makes for odd bedfellows. It might be best for breeders to sell their own dogs/cats, then make a financial donation instead because people aren't getting that warm fuzzy feeling about it.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pet/2774406967.html
http://spoiledmaltese.com/forum/52-malt ... escue.html

Mady wrote:

Just Google the rescue, phone number, information that's provided and see what comes up. Note though that some rescues do the work quietly and behind the scenes so you may not find as much.

Look at the rescue's "Happy Tails" section and see how many and the type of pets they've assisted. There should be a balance of the easy and more difficult to place pets. Rescue isn't about cherry picking the young, pretty ones.

Check Facebook to see what's new with a rescue, what they share, new dogs coming in. See if adopters are posting on their wall. Have any come back to the particular rescue to adopt again?

Is the rescue adamant that the dog must come back to them if for any reason you cannot keep him/her? Is it actually part of their contract. A good rescue will take back a dog they've placed for any reason.

The average OES adoption fee that I've seen over the years is in the $300 range... others can share their experiences with this. Some dogs are old, sick or more difficult to place due to temperament... rescues may place these dogs for a low fee or even no fee. It's these dogs that can cost rescues money... sometimes lots.

Are dogs spayed/neutered? This dog has already required funds and time... rescues are obligated to prevent future problems down the road with unaltered dogs. YES!! Breeders have contacted rescues in the past trying to "adopt" intact dogs. :roll:

Note that the young, old and sick may not be altered prior to placement. If they're too young or temporarily too sick to alter, a spay/neuter contract will be required.

Are all dogs vetted? Has the dog been to the rescue's vet to check for any obvious health problems? I say obvious because rescues simply cannot afford to do screening for hip dysplasia, thyroid, etc. And does the rescue disclose all known health and temperament issues? A good rescue wants the new family to be prepared to handle a dog with a known health problem. Note that there are some dogs that come in that are up to date on vet care with proof to records to support it.

Look at the rescue's adoption application... how detailed is it? Do they want to know about your family, current pets, home, yard, vet, etc. in an effort to match a dog to your lifestyle? A detailed application allows a rescue to make a preliminary match for dogs currently in rescue.

Once you're notified that the rescue may have a particular dog for you, how easy are they to get in touch with? (Don't expect contact unless they have a potential match... these are volunteers who just don't have enough hours in a day to write/call each applicant.) Are they asking more questions and following up with your vet to see if you've provided responsible care in the past?

A good rescue should be there after the adoption has been completed. There is always a settling in period... will they be available to provide guidance and ideas on how to make this adoption work? Are they experienced in dogs?

Check Guidestar to see if they're a registered 501c3... if they are, look at their financial reports. Don't count out the ones that aren't though if the deduction isn't important... these may be the one-person-rescues that still do all the same exact work but it's one person doing it all.

Volunteer to help your local/state rescue so you can get first hand, inside knowledge of the workings of the rescue and the volunteers who do all the work. You might get first notice of dogs coming through.

Seek out others who have adopted from a particular rescue and ask about their experience.

There's surely much more...

All good points and I would also look into where the dogs are housed. If they are all in back in nasty kennel runs or cages beware .If the foster has tons of dogs or the "rescue person" beware Even I have my limits!!! I have had 12 dogs here my 4, 6 puppies and two adults . I have a fairly large house and space. I have 11 here now.

my 3 ...7 puppies and now robin. The potentail adopters will meet all my dogs when they come... just not at first I usually let them see the foster then turn my gang loose . That shows the foster is used to other dogs. Boy are they used to other dogs!!!My daughter adopted a black lab mix from a screwball rescue in new england Yep they took her money fast The dog was supposed to be spayed (she was 6mos) NOT .I was not called as a reference nor was our vet She came on a vol transport and my daughter never heard from them again They are still on the web Had my daughter not been a great dog owner This poor dog may not have been spayed or not looked after No one checked up She is spayed and much loved. I believe there are more good rescues than bad, more good people than bad but there are always exceptiond to the rule. The main thing is do they check references will they accept the dogs back and are the dogs healthy (unless noted in contract)vetted and temperment tested ?Adog that flips in rescue other than a puppy and whoever fostered should know the dogs strength and weakness's. As jackie pointed out are they there for you after the adoption /I have often gone back in the home if there was a minor problem and helped correst it or advised them where to go for help

Hope all our comments have helped

Thank you for the thoughtful and informative responses!

These people traveled under the name "All God's Creatures Rescue" and now under "Ark of Mercy Rescue" in Weatherford Texas. http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/84041.html

They sell dogs for huge prices claiming the money is for the less desirable animals up for adoption. They are not a 501 non-profit and I have tons of information on them I am going to plaster all over the net if they don't stop fronting as a rescue when all they do is breed and sell puppies to anyone with cash. They even take bids on transport anywhere in the U.S. They don't care about the animals or who they go to, just the cash. Stay away from these people. They have been reported.

Everything you have guessed on this thread is true...I am part of a group who will make these people drop the rescue act and just sell the poor puppies who will eventually end up in rescue or killed in a city shelter.

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