puppies NOT OES don't get excited:)
 Today ,with her delivery kit, she was to go to her new home. Well 11:40 last night till 6:50 this morning she delivered 7 (the vet was right there)rolly polly puppies. It happened so fast I woke Bob up we were in the garage where things were packed and waited (bob went back to bed after warming the sheets,towels and pedisure) what an experience  Nellie is such a good momma and I am beat!! I sent Bob out to buy a plastic pool Moved her in the den and here I sit. They make such sweet noises and wag their little tails as they nurse. No clue as to the daddy Nellie won't tell. Maybe I should be 11 dog night now  |
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| Puppies rule! Regardless of breed. Photos coming? Vance |
 congrat lol we need pics you have plenty of time for that lol |
| The vet was with you?? Puppies are great fun. Hope DH was able to find a pool this time of year, otherwise a big refrigerator box. |
Puppies are puppies - hope the delivery goes well and look forward to seeing photos!  |
 Glad vet didn't charge you for the ultrasound interpretation <vbg>Hope you have fun with them. Do you risk her transmitting her HWs to the puppies while nursing? Will she be OK if you hold off on treatment till they are weaned? Heart murmur is not typical of canine pregnancy. Murmur from being HW positive, yes. Do they expect it to be reversed once she's treated? Glad she made it OK. Pictures needed for sure!  Kristine |
SheepieBoss wrote: The vet was with you?? Think she maybe meant the number of pups.  Congrats. So now how long do you have to wait before they can be moved? |
| No the vet did not spend the night ! I wish. Being a nurse women that have a slight heart murmur when pregnant the sound increases so I thought that could happen with dogs ..most likely the HW Babies can have the baby HW can't think too tired microfilla?? so they will start on a low dose of meds sometime as pups The HW treatment has to wait till pups are weaned and momma is out of their sight!! Most likely slow kill doxy and intercepter She is on intercepter now. Yes the vet I use for fosters with HW (not my mobile vet) is so nice and they just got the machine and she is learning so I just razzed her!!! |
 CONGRATULATIONS CINDY!!! GOOD JOB!!  How many are you going to keep?  |
| Congrats on the new puppies. Looking forward to seeing pics. Say goodbye to your restful nights. You have a huge heart for taking this Mama and pups in. |
How lovely for the mama that you were there to help!  |
| Oh! I love babies! ANY kind!! post pics as soon as you get some sleep! |
| Another typical evening at "Crazy Acres". |
Guess this makes these puppies our new grandchildren!     |
| Ah, so sweet! Congratulations Gramma!!! Just think of how you literally saved this poor pregnant dog about to give birth and all those adorable pups!!!! There is a place in heaven for people like you!!! |
 Congrats!Cindy |
| I love this story Congratulations!! They are so cute. Have you named them yet? |
| Is there anything more tender than a mother nursing her babies? |
| I need to get a grip. I actually looked to see what state you are in (I never remember) because I was thinking I might need to drive over and meet you and pick out a puppy. Thank heavens you are hundreds and hundreds of miles away. BTW, it is wonderful that you are able to help this mom and her pups. ETA: I'm not even particularly fond of GSD (except that I love dogs, period). And I don't need another puppy. |
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| Oh Cindy, she is a beautiful mama! Is she still going to her foster home once things are stabilized, or are you going to keep them all with you until weaning now? They do look like nice little plumpers! All are black? any idea what dad may be yet? Lab? Good job!  |
| Good for you saving that Mama and babies. That second picture looks like mama had a hard night. |
 Cindy I bet you just hate me for referals... She couldn't have landed in better hands to have her babies! They are all gorgeous!!!!!!! Good work Cindy Lou! |
| What a very special early Christmas present!!!!! You are the BEST!!!!!!  |
| Cathy no I don't hate the referrals you give but I am on my way with 7 puppies for you!! No idea what they are There are black shepherds I have one BUT I have no clue Lab mixes are nice but we will have to see. I don't know if they will move to adoptive home we wanted time for nellie to bond with new owners She so looked to me for help durning the birth and her face told me she trusted me.No no puppies for me Bob said I am telling you seven times no!! seven little hugs from seven little puppies |
| Funny - I was thinking lab mix too Be fun to see what they look like as they develop. Those are nice big puppies from the looks of it. I vote you raise them...  More seriously, she's secure with you. She can go to the new home once they're weaned. Mace's are 7 weeks old and not weaned yet (though they are also eating puppy kibble), just FYI. I don't force the issue, but let mom decide when she's ready. Some mamas are outta there by 5 weeks, some, like Belle, you start wondering if you're going to be running her in agility with hungry puppers half her size trying to keep up Somehow I foresee this girl being in the latter category, but time will tell. She has kind eyes. Nice job! Kristine |
| What a beautiful Mommy and beautiful pups. You are, indeed, a Christmas Angel for this group. Such a huge heart you have. |
kristine thanks for the advice I need all I can get!! Thank goodness I read up on this whelping thing but momma did most of the work The local hardware store stores plastic swimming pools in the back so I sent bob to get one. I was so hoping she came from a backyard breeder that bred her to another GSD but I don't think so. I will probably keep nellie and pups here but I so wanted her to bond with her new owners I really need to see the sexes ...that is my goal today and weigh them I am still very tired I have some medical issues my self that are flared up a great deal but what are you going to do. I now have 3 shepherds here two oes one lab and a gaggle of puppies I was actually stupid enough to get a live christmas tree it is outside in a bucket of water. What was I thinking I have done nothing but wash puppie pads. But they are soooo cute  I have really gone and done it now  |
| Cindy, you ROCK!!! You certainly are a savior to these animals.How lucky all of these animals are to have you. Kind, compasionate and loving. |
| They are just too cute !! Congratulations !! |
| 2 little girls and 5 boys Thinking of twinkle and noelle for them 5 boys One boy is brown (lab in there>>) maybe alvin for him then nicholas, donnor, prancer and blitzen weights from .990 lbs to 1.495 lbs I need another nap |
| Sounds good Cindy - keep up the good work. You are so lucky you have a good mama dog...it could be so much worse! |
4dognight wrote: Cathy no I don't hate the referrals you give but I am on my way with 7 puppies for you!! Welcome to my world  You will be just fine Kathy |
| Yes she is a good momma and I know things could be worse. I am so lucky no problems with delivery and she is nursing fine and has not rejected a pup.Wait till they are up and running ACK Cathy momma is still doing all the work I thought of you chasing all your puppies OMG that is yet to come !! They are just adorable and thank you my OES.org friends for sharing my first delivery |
| Wow! Congrats on the adopted grandpups! You are truly a saint! ...ahem...we need more pictures... |
| You will pull your hair out and love every minute of it! I think yours are going to be MUCH bigger! I say GSD/Mastiff |
| Cindy there lovely strong looking babies and momma looks to be doing a wonderfull job of it. Well done to you all on a safe delivery and the care for her she is getting with her sweet babies. Just be carefull too, that momma does not smother them in the first week of life as in a whelping box, there is the side rails to help prevent that happening. Sometimes the baby can wiggle to the edge and momma lays down and it can happen, accidental smother or crush. Congrats Granny Cindy |
| oh!! I wondered what those bars were for ! that explains it!! |
ruforgvn wrote: oh!! I wondered what those bars were for ! that explains it!! You also typically sleep next to the litter the first two weeks (while they are the most vulnerable) and learn to sleep with one eye and both ears open An agility classmate who does rescue whelped three lab mix puppies and raised them in a kiddie pool without issue without the benefit of roll bars and it went fine. Then again she's whelped more litters than I have I thought they separated them from the mom too soon and let them go too young, but rescue/shelters seem to have a different approach to raising puppies, probably because they're dependant on volunteers. It's a tremendous amount of work, so I can see why they would want to speed it along. Of course, then there's Kathi, whom I keep asking: you still have those puppies? Let them go already! <vbg> But for all the work, it actually is a lot of fun. Kristine |
| I have to sleep with her In the whelping pool (just kidding) I had to get in a bed I had spent the last 2 weeks on the sofa with her because she had tummy troubles......I do have a baby monitor on and once heard a baby squeeling and went down and she was kind of laying on him/her Before I go to bed I make sure they are all lined up and she seems to do well I am so worried she will sqoosh one now they were born on dec 2 the largest is 1.530 lbs and the smallest is .990 lbs I could not get the scale on ounces but will attempt I try to put the little one on her as often as I can Are these weights OK well for the small one he still looks healthy to me All very vocal and active soooo cute Momma did a greatjob to have been in a shelter hw+ and full of parisites she gave all to these babies I am feeding her 5 times a day I am afraid to leave a bowl full she may bloat Oh thank you everyone for the advice !! we were going to build a box but she could not wait!!!! |
4dognight wrote: I do have a baby monitor on and once heard a baby squeeling and went down and she was kind of laying on him/her Before I go to bed I make sure they are all lined up and she seems to do well I am so worried she will sqoosh one Cindy, quite honestly, and this may sound harsh, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. You're getting advice from the hysterical set of breeders. We typically wait till our bitches' biological clocks are ticking, some times quite loudly, before we breed them, we arrange for them to be bred to dogs who may not even be able to be physically available as they can be half way across the country, the world, or even long gone (frozen semen) and then we fuss over every tiny detail because this may be "it" and every puppy could be "the one" and on and on. We'd be a lot further along if we bred them much younger, and multiple times, and relaxed on a lot of issues and let mother nature do some culling for us, yes? But that isn't going to happen any time soon as we have too much vested in the few litters we breed. Yuo're looking at a mixed large breed litter which will only be easy to place, relatively speaking, because they are puppies. Half of them risk ending up at a shelter in their life time except for the fact that I know you guys will screen vigorously. Anyway, the biggest concern is controlling temperature. Just be careful with drafts, which can be killers. Do you have a heating pad or two in there for them? It's a fine balancing act between keeping room temperature up there and having it too hot for the bitch to want to hang around. With Mace's litter I set the thermostat at 75 and had a heating pad and the puppies wanted nothing to do with it after the first few days. Co-breeder would have been aghast - she typically does heating lamps (they scare me - fire hazard) and all but broils the little guys and too hot (which can quickly lead to dehydration) is as bad as too cold. The problem is they can't control their own body temperatures the first three weeks, give or take. You can tell how they feel by watching them: all piled up, chilly, all spread out and panting a bit, too hot, laid out nicely, maybe snuggled near each other but not necessarily in a big pile, and twitching (healthy puppies twitch a lot the first few weeks, it's odd and a little funny), bingo, you got it right. Mom being in the box will typically help them stay warm. Not all mom's stay there 24/7 though. Mace would take breaks and sleep right outside the box some times. Feeding - bloat never crossed my mind, but then look at the breed, yes, that could be scary. Splitting it into five meals a day helps. You may also want to try to maximize calories a bit while minimizing bulk and replace some kibble - you may be doing this already, she's eating puppy food right? That will help right there. more calcium and more calories per cup - with other calorie dense foods, liver is one, cook if you're concerned about feeding it raw, boiled eggs are nice in that regard. And because of the calcium demands on a lactacting bitch you should probably be giving her things like ice cream and/or cottage cheese to prevent eclampsia. Of course, being a nurse you probably know all these things already. She's obviously been well fed leading up to giving birth based on the size and condition of the puppies and she looks to be in OK condition herself. Pretty amazing all things considered You did good. Kristine |
I grew up in the era before whelping boxes had the bars in them...  With our Brittany's, I don't recall ever losing a puppy from the bitch squishing or laying on them. They all birthed naturally too - no C-sections. Maybe we just had more maternal ability or something...I know dogs are getting less able to do it all naturally. Actually not just dogs - sheep too!  When we were raising the expensive show sheep when the kids were showing, we had tons of vet calls and maternal emergencies. I had to call into work many times saying I was waiting on a birth and was afraid to leave.  Todd and I had to do lots of pulling lambs out...and lots of arms up ewes rearranging legs and body parts for a decent presentation. I had many years I walked around with bruised arms from strong contractions on my arm. I had a couple ewes I stitched shut so they wouldn't prolapse out...that's a total panic, as you need to BE THERE when they go into labor and cut the sutures and let the lambs out - and be ready to stuff a uterus back in. It really, really sucked. Now the hardy mixed breed and other breed flock we have now does it ALL by themselves. NO assistance for several years now - they lamb alone (sneaky) and we come out on checks to see lambs up running around or nursing. Life is SO much better this way. |
| Dawn.... and now I have another question answered. I always wondered from your signature if you HAD sheep or just said don't forget them because we have SHEEP dogs! now I know geesh, my life sounds really calm compared to the last couple of posts!!!   |
ruforgvn wrote: Dawn.... and now I have another question answered. I always wondered from your signature if you HAD sheep or just said don't forget them because we have SHEEP dogs! now I know geesh, my life sounds really calm compared to the last couple of posts!!! Yep, we really have sheep! I picked my forum name as a take-off on the milk slogan - got milk?  Come spring, I will post lamb pics for you all! Mid April the fun begins!! |
| so.... what do you DO with the sheep? are they for the OESs or for wool or for (gasp) food? what does one do with sheep? I'm all city.... |
Mad Dog wrote: ruforgvn wrote: Of course, then there's Kathi, whom I keep asking: you still have those puppies? Let them go already! <vbg> But for all the work, it actually is a lot of fun. Kristine I saw that coming They are going, I promise! I tend to be overly protective of my fosters |
ruforgvn wrote: so.... what do you DO with the sheep? are they for the OESs or for wool or for (gasp) food? what does one do with sheep? I'm all city.... All of the above |
Donner's Mom wrote: Mad Dog wrote: ruforgvn wrote: Of course, then there's Kathi, whom I keep asking: you still have those puppies? Let them go already! <vbg> But for all the work, it actually is a lot of fun. Kristine I saw that coming They are going, I promise! I tend to be overly protective of my fosters There are much worse things. KB |
Thanks for all the advice  I am doing some things right!! I had been feeding her puppy food all along and good yogurt. I have an oil heater (the ones that look like an old time radiator) in the room but the room stays pretty warm The pups are usually lying next to one another so I guess its warm enough The only time they bunch is when everyone wants to eat at once. Not to knock breeders but these pups mean as much to me as if they were $2500 show dogs I do tend to smother love my fosters (and dogs) People need to spay and neuter there are too many homeless dogs out there and you all know my voice for black dogs dawn I have had my arm up to my shoulder in a sheep or two my neighbor has them and his wife refuses to do this sort of thing so I have delivered one or two lambs while talking to him on our cell phones but momma did all the hard work here She is a PB shep but puppies I think not we do screen well but adopting out pups in winter ACK we do a judiciary search, DNA. property search and vet and 3 personel references plus a HV Still it can fail I just placed my other foster a big ol soft eared GSD that I would have liked to keep but bob is mean. but that is what rescue is about placing dogs.....I will try some eggs and ice cream The ice cream won't give her diarrhea? |
| The ice cream may...but so will eating the placentas She doesn't look too thin in the pictures. How long was she in rescue and getting good food before the whelp? |
4dognight wrote: I will try some eggs and ice cream The ice cream won't give her diarrhea? Depends on the dog. Didn't bother Macy. We both enjoyed it. You don't give a big bowl at a time - a couple of scoops here and there. Kristine |
| well she ate all the placentas!! fast and I was disconboobulated!! Ice cream I can do and a little at a time I would have to look at my calendar but she has been with me maybe a month or less She bonded to me very quickly She is a little thin but my understanding is nursing 7 puppies is far harder on them than being pregnant ?? You guys that know, is this true? This is all a learning experience for me and I soooo appreciate everyones help |
| sorry, I'm still in bed sick, and your extra o in discombobulated made me laugh rather apropos considering the circumstances!! |
| Yes cindy true a large litter and when in full milk production feeding 7 very draining on her. Brie had 8 piglets and it took a lot out of her. Ice cream I would give a miss just in case it causes more diarreah. Your probably getting that with the eaten placentas so you dont need to contribute any more to that outlet of sloppy ones. Can you get goats milk, great for nursing mums on its own or you can if you want to sup her more into that a raw egg yolk, yoghurt and if you think she needs a dessert spoon of Glucose Syrup and great for them while nursing 7 sucklings and keeping up there milk supply and energy, especially as the pack grow and drain her more. Even if goats milk is not easy available, the puppy milk, in powder form you just add warm water and easy to get at a pet supply shop or the vets, biolac, di-vetalac some of the many brands, also handy to have in case you need to sup one of the puppies or even great to use when you start weaning.Eggs either boiled or easy peasy is to just scramble them and pop over her kibble, you can even crush the shells and use that as well for extra calcium and protein source too. Sardines on the kibble as you are using the bones and all another great nutrient to help mum, get it in the spring water rather then the oil. 5 meals a day is OK, she wont bloat and is quite the normal amount to feed them and to keep them going while they are feeding a big litter. Brie actually had 2 milk meals, one in the morning and one at night and 4 meat and veggies and kibble meals a day and she still ended up needing weight back on her after we weaned the milk bar oinker bubs. If you are having problems with her bowel still as still sloppy, go to the health food store and get "Slippery Elm Powder" a teaspoon a day on one of her meals will help at lot, brie managed a few pacentas too and friend put me on to that and it helped enormously. The puppies even had it when introducing new foods at weaning time. Your doing a great job, again mum looks so fit and glowing and there great sized new borns. Cant wait to see more photos and of course we need a guessing game later on to see what the cross is, mum is just amazing 7 big bubs and she did it so well for you too with your first experience in whelping a litter. There so precious. |
My vet has goats and her corgi gets a bowl of milk every night I will see if I can get some from her Yes Nellie is having placenta poos How long do they last?? I will do as you suggested I bought two cans of puppy formula Just in case but even the smaller pup is well over a pound Maybe use that?? Sardines I am sure she will love and we can have scrambled eggs in the morning together. We have a holestic dog/cat food place here I will look for the slippery elm. Again I do appreciate all the advice from the pros I read a couple of books and of course bought all the supplies for the adopter Never used the thermomoter, bulb syringe or dental floss!!! Glad I borrowed a scale from one of another groups dog mid wife Hoping she continues to be a good mum. The best is yet to come Once they get mobile OH HELP Still glad I reasearched things but momma had a very uneventful birth. That I am very happy about  |
| Yes the puppy formula powdered milk is just as good, we are lucky here we can buy goats milk in the supermarket. She'll need that as probably still at the moment the milk supply is not in just colostrum at the moment.. To the puppy milk you can add the yoghurt, raw egg yolk and if she needs a boost the glucose syrup as well. Or just the formula on its own, what ever takes her fancy as they say. Plenty of water too as that helps the milk production and they drink heaps when the milk starts to flow. Varies on the placenta poops as to when they are firmies again  , depending on how many they managed to steal, I thought I had it covered well with brie but half way through everything she was faster then me and gobble gobble gobble. Hers lasted awhile, hence the advice on the slippery elm. Some can be just a fews days others can be a few weeks, just depends. Dont forget to check her boobies every day just to make sure there not feeling hot or hard, mastitis can happen fast. XX to you all. |
| You can get slippery elm on line or at any health food store. Can't give you small puppy advice but, you can call me when you are up at 2 am pottying them as they get older |
| Cindy, you should be able to find goat's milk in most bigger grocery stores. It can be hard to find, though, even though it's in the dairy section, so be prepared to ask. Kristine |
| Yep - frequent meals will be the ticket for her with all those babies. You won't be able to feed her too much with all of them nursing. And LOTS of water! |
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