getting 2 boys (brothers) ?
has anyone gotten 2 boys from the same litter? is it advisable? I noticed most have a boy and a girl. just curious talk me out of this PLEASE!  |
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| OK I will! Seriously, it's not a good idea to get 2 puppies (regardless of gender) at the same time. Harder to train, less bonding with you. That's bad, because you don't get the dog/human bond that you want. They bond with each other instead. |
| I guess it would depend on their personalities? Are you concerned about dominance issues? If having 2 rambunctious sheepdogs are not a concern, having 2 sheepdogs may provide good company for the dogs. However, you also have to think about training issues. It's so much more difficult to train 2 puppies, let alone just one. Also, it's difficult to establish a close bond with one puppy because they will try to compete for your attention and sometimes may bond stronger to each other than to the human. |
| ah. I guess it'd be like having twins versus one baby. twice the love, quadruple the work? It's just so hard, falling in love with one, how can two not be better???  )))Cambridge and Cooper definitely seem to be bonding, playing, fighting, feuding, and keeping each other busy just fine! ok. I'll behave and just enjoy my one for now. once he's full grown I guess I can add another... besides, then when I hit puppy envy I'll be able to get one, right? |
ruforgvn wrote: ah. I guess it'd be like having twins versus one baby. twice the love, quadruple the work? It's just so hard, falling in love with one, how can two not be better??? )))Cambridge and Cooper definitely seem to be bonding, playing, fighting, feuding, and keeping each other busy just fine! ok. I'll behave and just enjoy my one for now. once he's full grown I guess I can add another... besides, then when I hit puppy envy I'll be able to get one, right? I actually have human twin daughters - I'd say they were 1.5 times the work in reality.  Another down point of 2 same-age dogs is that you end up with two senior dogs when they are older - it can be time -wise, financially and emotionally, hard with the old age cares that come up.  |
| We do this with kittens. But they're smaller and end up needing less attention as they grow. The biggest plus of cats versus dogs. I would never dream of taking a second puppy. NEVER. Yeah it's twice the cute factor, but twice everything else. That is the one thing the keeps ringing in my head. I will say that I know that my plate is full enough and adding a second puppy when we got Caitlyn would have killed us when it comes to all the things that go along with puppydom. Save your sanity, or what you have of it and focus all that on Cambridge. He'll need it. BTW, if you wanna talk to someone who has their hands full, I'll give you my brother-in-law's number; he has six year old QUADS!!! and two are special needs boys and you know what that involves... Vance |
| Another down point of 2 same-age dogs is that you end up with two senior dogs when they are older - it can be time -wise, financially and emotionally, hard with the old age cares that come up. This is very true. I did get littermates, when they were a year old I got 2 more (but not littermates) and it was VERY tough as they aged. I now have 3 boys about the same age and will go through it all again . That being said I never had an issue with any of them bonding more with each other than with my husband or me but it is a lot of work. |
| You mentioned Cooper bonding with Cambridge? Did you get the other boy???? I know the downfalls of getting littermates. I didn't but got my first and then the second when the first was about two...My friend took two of the same litter and loves it! But its alot of work with two young puppies...If you gomout to work, I would say don't do it...If you are a stay at home Mom, then maybe? Being home means you can spend more time for them to bond with you rather than leaving alone while you work to bond with each other...  Oh, what the heck do I know? Go with your gut! |
| Vance.... quads? with 2 special needs? omgosh. how do they afford it? when do they sleep? Wow!!! hopefully they have a great support system. we don't have any. I actually am guardian to my mother on top of everything else and we have no family locally. anyway.... again, wow! I guess with hubby probably needing shoulder surgery, 2 puppies wouldn't be the smartest! thank you all for helping me back to reality.  |
| Cooper is our almost 3 year old mini poodle and I am a SAHM I AM ( stay at home mom ) |
| Just facing reality as well, think long term, two elderly OES the same age and requiring needs more then raising a puppy. Most reputable OES breeders will not sell 2 the same age and from the same litter to people especially as first time owners of OES or regardless wether they have had breed experience or not. Allowing your baby to have one on one attention till he grows and matures and you learn too, grooming, training etc etc then its time for another to add to the family. Also you have not got elderly problems at the same time with spacing them a few years apart. Most of mine have been 4 plus before introducing another baby to the family and found it wonderfull as the older ones mentor the babies. Waiting to get another in a few years time means also you have a more mature OES past the destructive puppy stage and the challenging teenage phase ready to mentor a baby. |
| We had 7 boys in foster and it is a lot of work! I had one family that wanted two and I steered them away from that! Our boys get along well but, as they mature more attitudes are coming out with eachother! We have 5 now and the little attitudes can be seen out  I guess would depend a lot on the parents temperaments too I guess but, I would take the advice of the ladies that have posted |
| Ditto Lisa & Dawn. I would never sell 2 littermates to the same person. |
| Not a good idea & suppries the breeder will sell 2 pups from the same litter to one person. After reading about this & done my research I would not. |
| I didn't talk to the breeder, so maybe she wouldn't have anyway I'm over my moment of insanity, so everyone can stop trying to convince me not to move forward  |
ruforgvn wrote: I didn't talk to the breeder, so maybe she wouldn't have anyway I'm over my moment of insanity, so everyone can stop trying to convince me not to move forward This made me giggle. I know only too well how intense those moments of insanity can be-the urge to just scoop up a bunch of puppies and run away with them! That cuteness is powerful. |
| We made the mistake of getting Tripper the basset and then a few weeks later we got Farley our second oes. Tripper being a force to be reckoned with took over the raising of Farley and Farley loved us but he really bonded more with Tripper, he defered to him much more than he did to us. |
| Hey Madys Mom! I knew YOU would understand. I love reading you and your hubby's posts, they crack me up. I can't believe you still only have Mady at this point! commendations on your self control!! ))) |
| I'm that crazy person that got 2 litter mates- ours are sisters. Our breeder was much-less than reputable (I didn't know it at the time) and its been a situation that has created many behavioral problems with our girls. I'd suggest to most people NOT getting 2 puppies at the same time. There are pros and there are cons. If your puppy is bonding well with your poodle, and you have a young baby at home, I'd say DON'T DO IT. Having two puppies was so extremely time consuming. I actually took six months off from work to focus on raising our puppies and dealing with their behavioral issues as they came up-- and I work at home. Also, the aging issue everyone mentions is a very serious concern. We had 2 cats that were litter mates pass away this year- the second literally died of a broken heart one month and one day after her 18 year old sister did. It happened last December and January, and I'm still not over the grief of losing so much in such a short period of time. And now I have to consider the fact that this could happen again to us with Tonks and Luna. With all that said, would I do it again? Absolutely. The joy these girls have given us is tremendous. But I have no kids, and I can't have kids, and while we aren't rich, we have the money to take care of these issues as they come up. So I think for now we are in a uniquely good position to deal with the negatives (and they are overwhelmeing at times) of the choices we made. Also, I'm crazy- everyone tells me so. I say resist the urge now, and give in to it in 12 or 24 month's time. We've just passed the 4 year mark with our girls, and its getting harder and harder for me to not say yes! to that third sheepdog! |
| yes, I've read of your many escapdes with Tonks and Luna. I'm wondering if getting girls together is different with boys. anyway, as previously mentioned I am over my moment of insanity. if everyone had come on and immediately said YES! this is a GREAT idea, I would have pursued it. since that was not the issue I've gotten over it. I think for us having 2 grow old together isn't the issue. it's what you said, where if one does go, their bond would be so strong the other just couldn't go on. I think I'm going to put a personal note to show on my notes, so everyone know our family/pet situation that would be helpfulfor my notes, I think thanks all, for the responses and info!  |
| Hi there, I love Cambridge's name and pleased to hear that he is settling in well. I personlly would not sell two puppies to one person regardless of how experiened they are with the breed. The reasons being, well one of the two puppies will always be the favourite and puppy two will be the one whose always naughty even through its probably both that are being sods. Two puppies are harder to train, although it can be done. You wont really get to bond with them and their bond with each other will be very strong. As for the sex it doesnt matter a lot depends on the temperament of the puppies and the owners. |
| hmmm. I thought about the last post for awhile and I don't think the reasons listed would be accurate. people have twins and love both. I have gotten 2 brother cats together and had no issues. if worrying about loving one animal more than another, than by that reasoning, everyone should only own one period. ??? any other thoughts on this? |
It's not so much an issue of whether the two animals will get along together. Cats are easy. Low maintenance and generally do get along fine together. With dogs, littermates generally get along great together. And THAT's the problem! Think of them as two bodies sharing one brain. They feed off of each other's naughtiness.  One OES puppy is difficult enough to handle. You're still going through that "honeymoon" phase with Cambridge and don't know yet how evil puppies can be.  If one decides to be naughty, chances are they will both put their heads together and be twice as stubborn. They tend to pay more attention to each other than what their human is trying to teach them. It can be very frustrating and people often give up on both dogs.Since you are brand new to this breed it would be wise to learn all the quirks about OES that most of us here take for granted. Know your limitations and don't get multiple dogs for selfish reasons. You may be financially comfortable enough to take on another OES but is it really the best thing for the dogs? Will it affect the time you have for your family? Will you have time to dote on two dogs plus the added work of training and non-stop grooming? You'll be much better equipped to make that decision once you've owned one for at least a year or two. If your breeder has not sold the littermate by now she will most likely encourage you to buy him. That's what breeders like her do: sell puppies. For now, give Cambridge time to mature and work hard with him on training and becoming a great companion. Trial-and-error is so much easier with one than two. Next time you'll know what to do differently and trust me, there's a lot to learn with this breed. |
| I AM NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER PUPPY NOW. I am just responding to the responses left on my post. again..... 1- I never even asked the breeder if she would sell him to me. 2- I've said at least twice now it was a question I had, but it was out of puppy love weakness. I am NOT moving forward. I want to be able to get a puppy in a couple of years when Cambridge is full grown and I'm wanting puppy breath again. sheesh!!!!! |
ruforgvn wrote: hmmm. I thought about the last post for awhile and I don't think the reasons listed would be accurate. people have twins and love both. I have gotten 2 brother cats together and had no issues. if worrying about loving one animal more than another, than by that reasoning, everyone should only own one period. ??? any other thoughts on this? If you didn't want to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter then why did you ask for them? Sheesh! |
| I did ask for responses, didn't I? actually I meant for the post directly above the one I replying to. where I had asked if anyone thought having twins or getting puppies together, or getting them separately later makes a difference in how much you love them I had figured out that for me, getting 2 puppies together was not the right answer after the very first response to my original question I think I make a great OES mommy. I am home between 22-24 hours a day. My husband works evenings so once my son is in bed I have hours to groom while I am waiting for him to come home. I'm the one looking for Cambridge if I don't see him for longer than 30 secs. I guess that makes me a velcro person I will never have a job other than being a SAHM. I'm not a person who gives left over time or love to animals. I'm someone who wants to share my life WITH animals I bring into my home. While I know animals aren't people, and I do train and make sure I am alpha, etc... I consider them family members. anyway............ |
Maggie McGee IV wrote: If your breeder has not sold the littermate by now she will most likely encourage you to buy him. That's what breeders like her do: sell puppies..  That was rather harsh I do not know the breeder so, I can not speak first hand on that but, sheesh, she was just asking for advice  Still open for a play date when your little one grows up! |
you're on! and after watching a sheepie playdate video I understand a bit better why he needs to be a bit bigger  he is such a good boy I think I'm a sheepie lover now if my hubby could learn what OES means every time I say it he gets confused. too much time with the military and government, he thinks it's an agency of some type ok .... time for sleep now that C had his 2am potty break!  |
ruforgvn wrote: I did ask for responses, didn't I? actually I meant for the post directly above the one I replying to. where I had asked if anyone thought having twins or getting puppies together, or getting them separately later makes a difference in how much you love them I had figured out that for me, getting 2 puppies together was not the right answer after the very first response to my original question I think I make a great OES mommy. I am home between 22-24 hours a day. My husband works evenings so once my son is in bed I have hours to groom while I am waiting for him to come home. I'm the one looking for Cambridge if I don't see him for longer than 30 secs. I guess that makes me a velcro person I will never have a job other than being a SAHM. I'm not a person who gives left over time or love to animals. I'm someone who wants to share my life WITH animals I bring into my home. While I know animals aren't people, and I do train and make sure I am alpha, etc... I consider them family members. anyway............ Sorry I didnt mean to cause a disagreement - I was only offering my thoughts and what I have observed after having OES all my life. I have known many breeders to keep two puppies back from a litter -for various reasons. I have also known these breeders to then say, I cant cope and have had to sell puppy 2 and kept puppy 1 or the other way round! There is no shame in that, its sometimes we as humans want it all and then we realise we cant for whatever the reasons may be. The OES is a breed that is totally different from any other breed and one I love to pieces. I cant comment about twins as I havent (yet) had any! but if you take your reasons for having Cambridge against the one that is/was left in the litter - what attracted you to Cambridge? Was there not a stronger bond with Cambridge than the others that were left - thats what I meant. Its great to read that you've fallen in love with this wonderful magical breed and I wish you all the fun and luck in the wold with him. I look forward to reading all about him growing within your family. Mel |
| Lori, you don't have to respond to all these posts. You've stated your position so you can sit back and let it ride. Others may be interested in getting littermates and appreciate these other comments. You've conquered you moment of insanity (I had one earlier today with a Pyr in need in our area), others may need more convincing. Lit it simmer. |
| don't worry Susan. I'm all simmered. although tea does sound good @Mel that was the amazing thing. I never met Cambridge. I spoke to the breeder, she sent me the temperament test results, and I chose him. There were only the 2 boys left when I picked him. The other brother still remains. He has two blue eyes, C has one of each. If I had driven instead of my hubby, who knows. I may have left with the other one, or both . They are very similiar in their temperaments. That is why I guess I am SO amazed. 2 left out of the entire litter, and I got a winner! I guess I was thinking to double down, instead of knowing when to fold 'em. anyway, whoever does get his brother is in for a treat. I hope he finds his forever home soon! |
| Let's hope he is adopted nearby and playdates can be arranged! |
| oh you don't know how hard I am trying to get my neighbors to get him! I would LOVE that. unless of course they aren't as happy as I am, and that would suck!!! I've even thought about getting him as a gift for someone! ( that was a joke for everyone who would need to talk me out of doing that!! ) unfortunately most people I know aren't dog crazy enough to do a 20 hour drive to pick up a puppy. I know, I know. I'm hanging with the WRONG people! |
| anyway, whoever does get his brother is in for a treat. I hope he finds his forever home soon![/quote] Indeed they will be!  |
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