Panda is sick
brian just called...sub q antibotics and fluid, blood work...they palpatated her tummy and didnt feel anything..her stool came back okay...they will call tomorrow with the bloodwork results...please keep her in your prayers....she's been pretty darn healthy considering her autoimmune issues....sigh...my poor pooh.. |
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| Fingers crossed for Panda, hope it's nothing but upset tummy. Let us know. |
Awww! I will be thinking of you and your sweetest Panda today. I hope it is just a passing thing.  |
| Could she have eaten anything that got stuck? Hope she feels better soon... |
Ah, poor Panda....get better soon.  |
| Fingers crossed for Panda x |
| just got off the phone with the vet...she has an irrated throat and low grade temp..the blood work is going to include valley fever and pancreatitis.... |
 Hope Panda feels better soon. |
| Well yuck! Neither is good for a dog and especially Panda who has a few candles on her cake. Ironic Valley fever after moving to a condo, up and out of the dirt.........but into the wind. |
| poor panda hugs to both of you |
| Oh no I hope Panda gets well soon~ |
| We hope Panda feels better soon. Laurie and Oscar |
 come on Panda, get better soon xx |
| thanks guys...im beside myself...it's funny, because i can handle my own illnesses, but when it comes to panda, im a wreak... |
| Hope Panda gets well soon!! |
| Aww..poor Panda..sweetie..get better soon ,,you are worying your mom too much!!!! prayers that she gets over this quickly!!! |
| Aww.. poor Panda! Hugs to all of you. |
| Hope Panda gets better real soon. These sheepies have a way of stealing our hearts. |
| Lots of positive thoughts going out your way from our home! Hope Panda feels better soon!! |
| Get better soon Panda! |
| Hoping Panda feels better soon!! |
| Hope Panda feels better soon and you get positive news from the vet. |
| Hope she feels better soon! |
 Awww, our poor Panda girl.Get well soon sweetie. And a calming hug for your mom. Maybe if you press the button on her back end it will help. |
| They do make us worry. I hope the vet will help Panda feel better real soon. |
| Thinking of Panda. Hope she feels better soon. |
| Hoping Panda feels better soon! |
| Thinking of precious Panda and hoping she's feeling better. to you both |
| Just catching up tonight...hope Panda girl is doing better tonight. Any more test results, or are you still waiting? |
| Hope Panda is feeling better soon! Cindy |
| Hugs and positive thoughts for you and Panda. |
| Come on!!! Princess Panda! Get better soon.... Me and the girls send you a big and lots of (((((((((((((((hugs))))))))) xx |
| Sure hope things are better today, Darci. Hugs to you all. |
| Hope its nothing serious and that Panda feels better soon! |
| Prayers going out for Panda Hugs for you both. I understand fully being a wreck when the pets are involved, I am the same way. Nancy, Abbey and Oliver |
| brian is at the vet right now waiting for results...im here at my work desk, waiting impatiently for him to call.. she did better last night...but she is still hacking and breathing hard...she did suck on her baby for about 20 minutes though..and thats always a good sign..... |
heres a pic that i took last night...laying on our bed, just kinda bla.... she looks so sad..''mommy, make me feel better...'' |
| aww, she does look kinda pathetic. Makes me want to give her a big hug I hope you get a call from Brian soon! |
| Sending positive thoughts for Panda along with a BIG hug to all. Robin |
| Dr. Ruiz just called....blood work looks ''ok''...she has elevated enzymes in her pancreas, her red cell count is elavated slightly. still waiting for the valley fever test to come back...shes on a strong antibiotic and the vet thinks that it is some kind of bacterial infection...if her breathing is still labored tonight, then back she goes for a chest xray to rule out walking pneumonia.... |
| At least you're starting to get some answers, hope everything works out ok. |
| She did have kind of a boo-boo face last night. Get well soon, Panda. |
| Oh No! Darcy, it's possible she has pancreatitus and you may have caught it too soon for the tests to show. Hannah had pancreatitus caused by a bacterial infection. Because I knew her so well I had her into the emergency vet before the tests showed what was going on. Several days later and beaucoo $$$$$ and a liver biopsy what she had was a bacteria infection and finally the pancreatitus showed up. Huge drawback our good vet is closed nights and w/e or we wouldn't probably have gone through that. So the fact they're treating her for a bacteria infection will hopefully save you what we went through. And my guess is you know your Panda so well you got her in at the beginning stages of whatever is going on. and for Panda and her Mom, oh and her dad too, lol! |
| How is Panda today? I hope the antibiotics are helping! |
| she seems to be doing better...she is a little perkier and seems to be responding to her antibiotics...she didnt cough as much last night as the previous night.....although her poop is not regular, but i think small amounts of chicken and rice is not enough food to push anything worth while out...the poop she has had is normal ...just not a lot of it....still waiting to hear about the valley fever test results.... |
| Aw poor panda! Hope she gets better soon! |
| Poor kid. I hope she keeps improving. Dog coughing is one of the saddest things to listen to and feel helpless about. |
| Darcy, the chicken and rice is considered a low residue diet because it doesn't leave much undigested. It's great for post-GI surgery for this reason. Pain medications also slow the intestines down... Make sure you are boiling the chicken and removing the fat, just in case it is pancreatitis. Best wishes for my favorite pink nosed girl and you. |
| Sending positive healing thoughts to Panda. peg & howie |
| for Panda. Hope it's a speedy recovery. |
| Sorry am just catching up, I hope Panda is ok and sending her pawsitive toughts |
| Glad to hear that Panda is feeling better. I echo what Las Vegas Sheepie said about pancreatitis and blood work. Oscar has had pancreatitis a number of times, and sometimes the blood work lags behind a bit, so it might show limited or no pancreatic involvement, when, in fact, there is. I also wouldn't worry too much about the frequency of Panda's poop, while on the chicken and rice diet. It tends to slow the bowels down (as long as there isn't an intolerance to chicken, as then it speeds things up  ), so "processing time" is extended. Sometimes, on the heels of pancreatitis, it'll take Oscar two days from when he begins eating again to produce any stool.Fingers crossed that the antibiotics will do the trick. Laurie and Oscar |
| While feeding the chicken and rice, we always got a smaller than usual stool and not as often... Sending prayers up for Panda...Hope her breathing improves and its not walking pnemonia...I didn't even know dogs can get that...Sending our love |
| Sending love to you both |
| How is she doing today???? Hopefully...much better..... |
| she still seems a little lathargic...i spoke with the vet and she said not to be too concerned...all of the above what you guys said....her coughing has decreased for sure....her valley fever test came back negative, which is good....the vet said to start adding 1/4 cup of kibble to her rice and chicken...so we'll see what that produces.... |
| Awwww I hope your sweet Panda revives soon. Glad the VF test was negative but I sure wish you knew what had her feeling lethargic. Interesting what everyone has said about catching pancreatitis before it shows up in testing. Perhaps you got her help just in time. Hope she has a comfortable night tonight. |
| Happy Halloween and BIG hugs for Panda !!!! Thank you for the report,she has a wonderful mommy and daddy! Robin |
| Poor Panda, I'd be worried sick as well. to you, I hope Panda gets on the mend soon. |
| Been out of pocket for a few days--sorry Panda has been sick--hope she continues to get better! Hugs for Panda! |
| Hey how is Panda today now that you have added in a little bit of kibble? Good news on the valley fever test. Hang in there Panda girl and Darcy too. |
| Sorry to hear that sweet Panda wasn't feeling well. Get back to yourself soon Panda! |
| Finally!!! Panda acted more like herself last night...she took a good BM...and she seems back to the living!! Thanks for all the well wishes!! xo |
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It's heck when they are sick...but so WONDERFUL...when you see they are back to their ol' happy selves!!!!!  (from Heart to Pandagirl!!!) |
 Glad your feeling better Panda.  |
Hooray!  |
Feel better Panda!!!!!!! You're in my thoughts.  Jacqui |
| Very good news indeed!! |
| Woohooo!!!! Robin |
 hugs for Panda, glad she is a little better. I am a right coward I hate the word pancreatis, sure that is what we lost our lovely Katy to, if only she had been sent to the vet hospital....we will never know....and then when Summer went down with the same symptoms...anyway upsetting myself...so glad Panda is feeling better xxx |
Yay Panda!  |
| YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! PANDA! |
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| Just to let you know. Panda has been hospitalized with a high fever. It is fluctuating between 104 and105. I got her to pee eat and drink. Even with the fever she is remaining the princess. I had to tell them that she only pees off leash, eats her food warm and only drinks ice cold water. Please keep her in your prayers. I'll hopefully know more tomorrow. |
| Sending lots of healing thoughts to Panda! Cindy |
| Oh no! Not again. So many thoughts, but I assume the vets are eliminating them one by one......you aren't missing something....something that might be inside her? Prayers for pretty pink nose. |
| I'm so sorry for Panda's illness, Darcy. I know it's really hard on you, too. C'mon Panda Girl, feel better quickly! I wonder if this is part of a reaction to the shots Brian gave her recently. She was in some pain right after that. Be sure to remind the vet about those, too. |
| C'mon Panda, feel better!! Thoughts are with you and Panda. |
| Prayers and positive thoughts for Panda and you. |
| Ooooh... poor Panda. I hope you'll be feeling well again real soon so you can be back home with mom and dad. |
| I'm assuming they are culturing everything - blood, urine, stool, etc?? Poor Panda, I hope they figure it out soon! |
| she is HOME!! they still have no idea what is causing it..her fever broke around 1030 last night....heres what they have tested her for.. pancreatitis ..negative pneumonia..negative full blood panel..unremarkable chest and abdominal xray..unremarkable urine ...not back yet... they did find a tick on her this morning..although, personally, i think the chances of her getting it there rather than a concrete highrise is more probable...but they put her on doxycyclin... she took a loooooooooong peeps when she got home (from all of the fluids), a small bm..ate some chicken and rice and im sure is snuggled on her bed, thankful to be out of the hospitatl.. thank you soo much everyone...i know it was your prayers and good thoughts that helped her and me....pull thru this...i love you all.. ps..ron...we asked the dr about the shot and she said panda would have reacted with in 48 hours of the shot....so that was ruled out...... xoxooxoxoxoxxoox |
| OMG - well that's good news! I hope things are under control and Panda girl is home to stay |
| YAY Panda Girl!!! (Yay Darcy Mom! ) |
| good girl Panda, stay well and safe for your Mum xx |
| So glad to hear that Panda is home. Laurie and Oscar |
| Happy to hear that Panda is home! that Panda is home to stay! |
| So happy that Panda is home! Hope she continues to feel better! |
| Just catching up on the post. Glad Panda is home!!!! Positive for a tick...what about Lyme's? Did they check for that? And the urine didn't come back yet...Bella was running high fevers and found out it was a UTI...Easily fixed. Hope good results come back and glad she is home with you |
| Panda, you get some snuggles and a good night sleep and get well soon. |
| I'm so glad she's home and feeling better. |
| She is finally sleeping comfortably. Hasn't eaten. So to speak but I think she needs sleep more than anything. I'm laying here next to her loving her so much. I just don't know what I'll ever do without her. |
| Snuggling is the BEST med...praying that she gets better fast!!!! |
| Glad your baby is home, there is no place like home!!! |
| Glad Panda is home. Hope she's feeling better soon. Hug your beautifl girl for us here in Michigan. Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
| So Glad Princess Panda is home!!!!! I was thinking about both of you! poor baby!!!! Come on Panda get better soon Sending you Sheepie Hugs and xxx's from across the Pond xxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| i dont know what to do...i think she is shutting down....she wont eat..even chicken rice and cheese...i barely got her to drink some water...her temp is 104... brian got her to go potty and it was like black liquid tar.... i want to help her but i dont know what to do, they dont have the urine test back yet.. God, please help me..ive been praying all night but its not working |
oh Darcy  Don't you have some good University Vet hospital or anything down there you can take her to?? |
| they now added valley fever meds to her list...even though that test supposedly came back negative...are they just throwimg meds at her??? Panda, Fight! damn it....Callaghan's fight... If I could ask for anything in the whole wide world, id ask for panda to be able to talk to me and tell me where she hurts... Im not prepared, im not prepared for this..Im a mess..God please help her.. |
| Darcy - echoing what Dawn said: are there any good vet school's nearby? Not that your vets aren't doing a good job, but the vet schools see many of the oddball cases and are often quicker to diagnose less obvious issues. Dark tarry stool makes me think perhaps some kind of internal bleeding (Dawn?). They're absolutely certain no partial/small blockage? Can't even think what else might produce these strange symptoms with basically normal blood work. Hang in there. I'd be going crazy too. Kristine |
| Dark tarry stool are the classic sign of bleeding - but up high - old blood. Like gastric level or maybe small intestine if things are moving slowly through the GI. Trying to think of others - a high protein food, some meds - those can cause dark stools. Even a really empty GI tract....the stool that passes after someone is NPO for a long time starts out like that... Is this new? - they should guaiac the stool - checks for blood. Super simple test - smear poop on a test paper, add drops of reagent and if it's blood it turns blue. Are they thinking it's something systemic? - or just digestive or blood stream?? Do they have any ideas? |
| Saying prayers for Panda. |
| Gentle hugs to Panda Hang in there Darcy. Fingers and paws crossed. |
| OMG I feel so sick reading your posts.... I'm praying like crazy for you & Panda.... Thinking of you constantly xxx |
Praying for you and Panda  Hopefully your vet or another can figure this out soon. |
| darcy, if u can even phone a teaching hospital or another vet and describe symptoms would be great as the more expertise and thoughts on panda's issues, the better. positive thoughts. |
| Just to say am thinking if you and Panda. I really hope she feels better very soon. Sending to you all. xx |
| brian isnt happy with me...he said she was resting ''comfortably''...well, yeah, she's laying there not doing anything not eating or drinking...thats not comfortable, thats sick.... i got her in to see a vet internist specializing in g.i. brian is taking her right now..its pretty far away, but the vet said they were good...if its fixable great, if not, id rather know than just letting her lay on her bed wasting away... brian is trying to stay unemotional about this...and i get it...how much money is too much to spend? how little does this money mean to keep your dog alive and healthy...i AM more emotionally involved, money spent will be well worth it if they can fix her... its just extra hard because spending what we have so far, the vet basically has nothing to go on..it feels wasted...i feel like they just pulled straws and guessed and still came up with nothing.. this is so much worse than my diagnosis of cancer....i KNOW how to fight but how do you tell your beloved pet to do the same and understand?? |
| Hoping it all turns out to be something benign and easy to treat. |
| glad to hear that news. go panda and specialist. money, extremely overrated. |
| Keeping everything crossed for you xx |
| well, brian just called...they found ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...no reason for anything... WTF??!! |
| No reason for the black tarry urine? What's next? Sounds crazy but could she have passed a kidney stone? Sending prayers to you and hoping something gets resolved soon |
| Darcy hold on tight. We are all here for you, maybe not always online but ALWAYS thinking of you & Panda at this difficult time. Panda is doing her best to fight this, that I am sure of. |
| Darcy - could it be that she's basically OK, or at least on the road to recovery, and she's feeding off your fear for her? Well, it doesn't explain the temperature spikes, but sometimes no news IS good news. When Belle was 12 I brought her in for vomiting/the squirts. She'd lost some weight, rapidly. She felt wretched. My vet suspected gastrointestinal lymphoma. I felt she was probably right and didn't want to put her through the testing needed to confirm it at her age and in her condition, with nothing to be gained from it. So we put her on some meds to get her stomach issues under control as best we could and I took her home and basically set out to make whatever time I had left with her as wonderful as I could. That was two years ago. Now, obviously she didn't have lymphoma. But I also, looking back, wonder if I had gone home and stressed and cried and just been, well, ME, if I wouldn't have sent her into a tailspin, possibly even bad enough that I could have lost her? I'm not saying you don't have cause for concern BUT our dogs are sensitive and, well... mind over matter, and all, resign yourself to the fact that SOMETHING could be lurking but you've done everything in your power to figure it out and so you're going to CELEBRATE her being home and be happy, genuinely, quietly at first, just happy and grateful for every minute with her, period. And see if some of your positive energy doesn't rub off on her? With what you went through she's probably used to worrying about YOU and now she senses you're terribly upset, but she doesn't know why, so she gets upset and...if you can take a deep breath and just enjoy the here and now and the little things, like our dogs do, maybe...? More to the point: what have you got to lose?  Kristine |
| Good Luck to Ms Panda Hope she feels better soon (you too!) On a side note we had a foster dog returned after she had been with the new family 6 months. She had horrible, awful bloody diarrhea, mostly blood All of her tests were basically fine and my vet seemed to think it was a case of IBD. It took us a bit to get it straightened out but, it did and she is fine. I actually used a more supplemental approach( if that is woded right) We used Gastriplex, Endosorb, Slippery Elm, and Famotadine. She had been on Metronidazole without much luck. After I talked to their vet that had seen her first she told me she honestly thought a lot of it was stress related. Just may be something to ask your vet about! Again, good luck! |
| kristine, youre right...but im not at home, brian is..and he is cool calm and collected... her temp was 105 at the specialist...which is what scares me... i spoke to my vet and she said to just keep her hydrated with water, pedialite, ensure and wet dog food...my girlfriend is coming over tonight to iv hydrate her... im just exhausted mentally....i just want her to turn the corner....for the better.... any other ideas to entice eating and drinking? |
| wow, how frustrating!!! I do think I heard that a dogs baseline temp is higher than a humans... like 101 if I remember correctly. so as scary as 105 sounds, it's probably not as bad as it sounds not sure what to do to entice eating. I'd focus more on hydration. I'm sorry you didn't get any answers, but at least you know your local vet didn't miss anything and you've done all you can, for right now. I would think either more symptoms will appear and give the docs more to go on, or she will get better. Either way you need to rest, relax, and take time for you to be the best fur mom that you can be  hugs |
| Yes, the upper range of normal for dogs temps is 102.5. |
| Darcy, I can not offer any advice, but your pain is so strong in your posts that I just had to tell you that I'm so sorry you and Panda are going through this. This too shall pass. We are here for you, praying for Panda's recovery. |
| I can imagine how desperate you are! I know I'd be doing everything and a few more. What about water......what do you give her? Tap water? Do you drink the tap water? I remember it as being kinda uggy in parts of Phoenix. High salts? Switching waters to maybe distilled? (thinking bladder stones, not kidney stones) The high fever is really a head scratcher......and antiobiotics aren't helping? Have you gotten to Doxi yet? Thinking Erlichiosis......but should have been tested with Valley Fever, etc. As for eating, nothing? When Paige would go on these......hunger strikes when her neck was bothering her, I'd darn near pull my hair out. Often, but not always, mackerel worked. For MO it is the BonBelle cheese balls or tater tots  I hope you find something. |
| Poor Panda, and poor you! I know I would be right there with you pulling my hair out. Just keep her quiet and hydrated and hopefully whatever it is will just pass through her system. Keeping you both in my thoughts. |
| We iv hydrated her and realized the lump went away really quick. She has been drinking though. And got her to eat a little. The problem is. No one knows what to do the diagnosis of fever from unknown origin |
| Hey Darcy, Darcy wrote: brian isnt happy with me...he said she was resting ''comfortably''...well, yeah, she's laying there not doing anything not eating or drinking...thats not comfortable, thats sick.... i got her in to see a vet internist specializing in g.i. brian is taking her right now..its pretty far away, but the vet said they were good...if its fixable great, if not, id rather know than just letting her lay on her bed wasting away... brian is trying to stay unemotional about this...and i get it...how much money is too much to spend? how little does this money mean to keep your dog alive and healthy...i AM more emotionally involved, money spent will be well worth it if they can fix her... When it's said and done I bet you'd regret what you didn't do much more than what you did. Any money spent to help her even heaven forbid they don't "fix" her will give you peace of mind that you did every thing that was in your power to do for her. Personally I don't think there's a number that's too much to spend because that's your baby but each person has to evaluate where that number lies for them. And I'm sure you'll do what's best. its just extra hard because spending what we have so far, the vet basically has nothing to go on..it feels wasted...i feel like they just pulled straws and guessed and still came up with nothing.. It's never wasted doing everything you can do for a loved one. I know you can relate to this: do you regret any of the shoes and clothes you've bought? Want to tally that up and see the waste? Just think of it as an investment in your happiness. this is so much worse than my diagnosis of cancer....i KNOW how to fight but how do you tell your beloved pet to do the same and understand?? She loves you so much just talk to your princess as you always do and OF COURSE she understands her Mom. I wouldn't force her to eat. Because maybe her insides need a rest and she has no way to relay that only by not eating. But pureed baby food, chicken or turkey (Gerbers in a jar) is a good solution after they've had lots of problems. Sheepie Boss had a good point about water too. If she's used to getting chilled water she probably already gets bottled water. Maybe she's like a person with the flu and this too shall pass. Seems strange that the specialist would know about black tarry urine and a high fever and not give you any answers. Our prayers are with you guys! |
| That's the frustrating thing... they have to rule out a number of known problems in an effort to get closer to a diagnosis and still we can be left without any answers. Has she been on prednisone recently or another steroid for her autoimmune condition? Just asking because some of the symptoms of a severe reaction in people are similar (but may not apply at all to dogs). http://www.drugs.com/sfx/prednisone-side-effects.html I'm so sorry Panda and you are going through this. Hoping Panda rested easy last night and today will being better news. |
| Darcy I have just read yr post! How is she! Oh poor baby! Come on Panda Sending you |
| Poor Panda. It is so hard when our pups are sick.The spiking temp would concern me as well, especially since your first post about Panda having a fever was three weeks ago. Is she responding to the anti-fungal for Valley Fever? Have your vets given you a timeframe in which they want to see improvement? Having just found an engorged tick on Oscar, I have them on the brain. Have they done a tick panel? I have read that erlichiosis can mimic some of the symptoms of Valley Fever, and I think erlichiosis can cause the dark, tarry stool as well. (Oscar had a tick panel done earlier this year, which was sent out to Michigan State University, the same place where Jaci's Bumble has been spending too much time recently.) I hope that Panda is feeling better. It's so frustrating when you go from vet to vet and you can't seem to nail anything down, only rule things out. Test after test is often necessary to get to the bottom of something, but there's nothing worse then knowing your dog is sick and not getting any results to tell you what is causing it. I have been there many times with Oscar. Darcy, you know your girl, and you know when she is not doing better. If you don't feel that the new meds are helping, trust your instincts and keep after your vet. Laurie and Oscar |
| Her right lymph node in her neck is swollen. Found that this morning. Her temp is still over 103. She's not eating but have gotten her to drink some water with pedialite. We iv hydrated her last night and are going to do it again. She is on meds for valley fever and doxycycline and amoxicillian. Doxy is for ticks. I just feel so helpless. |
| You might give Hill's Prescription a/d a try if you vet feels it' appropriate. It's for critically ill dogs and cats and comes in a small can. It might help you to get a few more calories into her. If she won't eat it, sometimes mixing it with water and syringing a small amount into the side of her mouth between her gums and lip, toward the back pocket area, might help get some calories into her. You have to be very careful of aspiration though in a sick dog so be sure to run this all by your vet first. http://www.hillspet.com/products/pd-fel ... anned.html Quote: Prescription Diet® a/d® Canine/Feline Critical Care For the nutritional support of pets recovering from serious illness, accident and surgery Cats and dogs can undergo significant metabolic changes when recovering from a serious illness, injury or surgery. During these stressful conditions the body is challenged to maintain strong natural defenses and spare lean body mass, which makes it is even more important to feed the right food. Cats and dogs need extra energy and nutrients, in an appetizing form, to encourage the recovery process. At Hill's, nutritionists and veterinarians developed clinical nutrition especially formulated to help dogs and cats in recovering process |
| Feel so bad that you are going thru this with Panda. I can only imagine how you're feeling, it's terrible when the fur-kids are sick and you just don't know what else to do. At least she is drinking some and I hope you can get some food into her soon. |
Darcy wrote: Her right lymph node in her neck is swollen. Found that this morning. Her temp is still over 103. She's not eating but have gotten her to drink some water with pedialite. We iv hydrated her last night and are going to do it again. She is on meds for valley fever and doxycycline and amoxicillian. Doxy is for ticks. I just feel so helpless. Darcy, here's what I would do: take a deep breath and call your vets back, tell them about the lymph node and ask them if they ruled out lymphoma. Now take another deep breath: lymph nodes can also be swollen due to things like infections, for instance, I'm sure you know all this - but if it's lymphoma better to find out now. Unless they already ruled it out. (Better yet) In which case you can tell me to shut up and stop scaring you. Hang in there. Kristine |
| The vet knows about the node. It's not ruled out yet (cancer) but she feels the antibiotic route for right now is right. We reevaluate on Saturday |
| I can just feel your pain in your posts. It brings tears to my eyes. We love our babies so so much, and feel so helpless when we can't help or don't know what to do too help. Hugs to you and Panda. I'm sorry you and your baby are going through this. Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
| Darcy--all have given good advice. I have nothing to offer in the way of advice but wanted you to know that special thoughts for you and Panda are coming from us! It is so scary when they are sick--the worst is the 'helpless' feeling--but you are doing all you can. Hugs to all of you! |
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| Darcy, I am sorry that Panda is sick again. I cannot imagine how it feels to watch your dog so sick and not only not be able to do anything about it but not have an explanation. Take care of yourself too. We are keep both you and Panda in our prayers. |
| She ate a little bit. Including 3 cookies. Drank on her own. And walked around the block. I'm cautiously optimistic. Still running a fever. But the lymph node seems to have gone down a bit. She's resting on our bed right now. Her belly feels cooler. |
| Maybe the fever is breaking? A fever can really make a dog ( and a human) very lethargic and not interestd in eating or much at all...Hope this is a good sign ...Sending our thougnts and prayers By the way...will she let you put some cold compresses to lower her fever? Under the "arm pits" is always a good spot....and tummy...an ice pack like you would for a yuman? And on the paws? If she lets you, it may bring down the fever and help her feel better....They did that for my dog at the hospital when she was running a fever... |
| Fever broke!!!!! Fingers crossed. Keep those beautiful and wonderful prayers coming!!! Xo |
| omgoodness! what an amazing thing to be THANKFUL for!!!! whoo-hoo!!!! keep us posted! YEAH! |
| That's fabulous news, Darcy!! Prayers continue for Panda! |
| Hooray! I hope sweet Panda continues to improve. |
Darcy wrote: She ate a little bit. Including 3 cookies. Drank on her own. And walked around the block. I'm cautiously optimistic. Still running a fever. But the lymph node seems to have gone down a bit. She's resting on our bed right now. Her belly feels cooler. Lymph nodes going down and the temp down is an awesome thing! She must have an infection in there, somewhere.. Being on Doxy I wonder if it is a tick borne infection that she is responding well to antibiotics! Any way I am so happy she is responding!!!!!!!! Go Panda! Donner's Mom Kathy |
| Go Panda! Great news, hugs x |
| hip hip hooray for the panda hip hip hooray for the eating and the drink hip hip hooray for cooler bellies (sung to hip hip hooray for the pooh bear) |
| Thats wonderful news! Keep getting better Panda! Cindy |
| Go Panda!! Still sending good vibes your way xx |
| WAY TO GO PANDA!!! Keep improving Panda! Happy Thanksgiving Darcy!!!! |
| Come On!!!! Panda Girl you can do it!!! We all love you so much on here!!! Good news!!!! Loads of good wishes and Panda!!! yeah!!!! |
| Great news for Panda What a wonderful Thanksgiving present. Keep up the good work Panda |
| 103.3 this morning. Damn. Still won't eat. I'm afraid she's getting weak from not eating. I bought her some ensure but I think it's too sweet. Ideas??? |
| Have you tried Tuna!.... scrammbled egg...... Fish..... When Hattie was poorly i gave her that with a bit of pasta The girls love pasta! xxxx Eat Panda pooh!!! Mommy's got turkey today!!! mmmmm |
| Fever goes up and down... I'm hoping it's down again? Poor girl... |
| You had mentioned she was coughing previously... a swollen lymph node. Maybe soft foods would go down easier. You might try boiling peeled potatoes in plain water and mashing them with nothing else... maybe add a little water if it's too dry. Take small amounts of warm mashed potato and try mixing in different things. A little tuna as Kim says or other canned fish, some turkey... if you roasted a fresh turkey, take the heart/gizzard/neck meat/liver and cut into tiny pieces. Maybe add a little Parmesan cheese. Cottage cheese, yogurt? If you have any low salt canned meat or even all meat canned dog food. You need to be careful though that you don't cause diarrhea or it will defeat the purpose. Warming food also makes it more palatable. The a/d may be an idea too when the vet opens tomorrow. |
| Temps do go up and down. Great suggestions here I know that when Celyn was poorly cheese tempted her to eat, plus salmon and brown rice. Send lots of love and good thoughts to you. xxx |
| Cottage cheese? Yogurt? Maybe not eating from her throat swollen and it hurts? Maybe soft foods??? Not sure about the Ensure...Pedylite is good though...hey, how about some baby food??? Sending our thoughts and prayers... |
| She usually loves cheese chicken rice anything really. But she's turning her nose at pretty much everything including soft foods. |
| Rabbit...ask if your vet has Royal Canin Rabbit, has worked for us often If you try tuna make sure it is in water not oil |
Guest wrote: Rabbit...ask if your vet has Royal Canin Rabbit, has worked for us often If you try tuna make sure it is in water not oil Rabbit is popular here too - the canned Evanger's Rabbit is what we get. And it must be in the air...Simon refused his food this morning and was all shaky, dragging his rear toes.... He did eat it this afternoon after it soaked and I added a little human food topdressing. |
| I tried eveners rabbit two nights ago. Nothing. |
Darcy wrote: I tried eveners rabbit two nights ago. Nothing. I bet all the drugs are messing with her tummy. Antibiotics are notorious for that. Tempt her with what you can, and make sure she stays hydrated and count the days until the drugs are done! The last ones Chewie was on did that, and even made him vomit - and he NEVER had done that in his entire life. |
| She just vomited all over me and the bed. Sheets in the washer. She hasn't eaten today. I'm just at a loss. |
| Did you say what meds she is on? Is she on anything for naseau, esp prior to eating! I would certainly ask the vet about taking her off of the abs until she can keep food down Donner's Mom |
| Poor Panda. We are praying for you sweet girl. |
| Dawn - can Darcy check with her vet to see if it's OK to give a pepcid or something like that a while before trying to tempt her to eat? Darcy, I'm so sorry you and Panda are going through this. Kristine |
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| Poor Panda. I don't have anything to add, but just wanted to say I've been thinking about you guys, and am hoping panda's feeling better soon. Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
| She just vomited twice. Yellow bile. She can't keep anything down. I'm shaking. I think she's dying right before my eyes. God, please help her. Please. |
| I'm hoping and praying too that she pulls through. |
| Is there an emergency vet you could take Panda to??? At least they can keep her hydrated while they look for some answers. |
| The yellow is likely bile from her stomach being empty. I'd take her in before the weekend to be reevaluated. Be sure to get something for the nausea as Kathy mentioned, verify she's adequately hydrated. See what they recommend for getting food into her. Check her weight to see how much she's lost. Small meals if they can get her to start eating and keep it down. Easy on the water as long as she continues to be adequately hydrated... too much fluid in the stomach can cause her to vomit if she's already nauseous. Wondering to if Metoclopramide (Reglan) http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/me ... page1.aspx might help with the vomiting and get her gut to start moving food along. When the stomach action slows down, everything just sits in there and has a better chance of coming back up. There are times it's not appropriate but I'd ask about it specifically. (Not to be confused with Metronidazole.) I'm sorry, Darcy. |
| I'm so sorry, Darcy. Panda is a good girl and doesn't deserve all of this. I hope you can get and keep her hydrated while she fights this. |
6Girls wrote: Wondering to if Metoclopramide (Reglan) http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/me ... page1.aspx might help with the vomiting and get her gut to start moving food along. That's what we gave Belle back when and the effect was dramatic. The problem with a vomiting dog is to get it down and keep it down long enough for it to work, though I'm wondering if vet didn't start her with an injection. It's been a while. Kristine |
| It is also helpful if you can ask your vet for some sucralfate to dissolve in water and give in a syringe to coat her stomach. Honestly, I know I keep repeating myself but, Anna did the same exact thing and we didn't think she would pull through That is why I keep mentioning it Hoping she is ok |
| Chewie's puke was bile too - exactly the same scenario. He just laid there and puked it out, all over his front legs...  Thankfully Troy (my vet) had warned me of the side effects, and told me to call for drugs if he started vomiting...and sure enough he did, but it took almost a week to get to puking - he apparently has a high-puke threshold.  But his appetite had dropped off and was refusing food, so I knew it was coming.  I would get some antiemetic (antinausea med), skip feeding for awhile and just keep her hydrated. It may take SQ or IV hydration, but those drugs (ABX) really do make one puke. Humans too. The antiemetics come IV, IM (shot) or oral. I would hope they would give her a shot or IV to get things caught up...then you can do oral before the ABX after things settle down. |
| Darcy so sorry to hear what is happening with your baby girl. Dont muck around take her to an emergency vet if your vets is not open and get her assessed, take the medication she is on so they know and if it is the medication causing the vomitting they can give her an injection to help settle the tummy rather then orally. Tell them about the enlarged Lympth node and also she had a black tarry bowel motion. They can also assess her and see if she needs to stay to keep her re-hydrated & stabilised, I would not worry much about food at the moment till she is assessed. As long as they stay hydrated, what she has lost from not eating once settled and feeling better she will bounce back in weight fast. I know that Babs spent early last year 4 days on IV's and medication at the vet hospital early last year with a corona virus, I thought she was going to die on me, she lost kilos but as soon as she stabilised and was eating did not take long to get her weight back, more important then food is "Hydration". Stay strong sweetie we are all thinking of you and your momma |
| I'm of no help, I'm just checking in on Panda. Sending my thoughts and prayers for both Panda and you Darcy. |
| So sorry you and Panda are going through this.... *hugs* |
| Thinking of you, and Panda. Laurie and Oscar |
| Any news on Miss Panda? |
| I was wondering too.... |
| Me too... I keep checking back often. Hoping she's doing better. |
| Me too. I've been checking back all evening. Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
| I keep checking too. I hope we hear good news soon. |
| the vet put her on a higher dose of baytril...along with the others..we are keeping her hydrated..but as i type this i know shes not going to make it...she isnt holding her bladder and is very shaky on her feet i want a miracle..im so desperate..i cant stop crying.. |
| I've been looking all morning for an update. Hugs to you Darcy and your sweet Panda. What did the vet say? Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
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| Poor Panda. Praying for a miracle. |
| Poor Panda Pooh! Come on Panda girl!!! Get better!!!! |
| I'm sorry Darcy. Is there anything we can do to help? Do you want to have her evaluated at a veterinary teaching hospital? |
| there isnt anything else we can do..the vet is at a loss as to what is causing the fever..we dont have a vet teaching hospital ...my baby is dying before my eyes and i cant stop it..i cant take it away... |
| Hang tough, Darcy. Miracles DO happen. |
| OH...Darcy...Tears are flowing as I read the earlier posts. Miracles DO happen.. Prayers DO help... I am praying for all of you. The power of your love for her and her for you is amazing and can do so much! Please know that we are all here for you. Whatever you need, we are here, praying ~~ |
| darcy, there are literally thousands of unknown viruses which are not detectable by testing and which would cause temperature fluctuations. although there are other reasons, the mixing of various medications can cause black urine. her ups and downs sound more viral than neurological. the bladder leakage and unsteadiness is not unusual considering the various medications currently prescribed. i didn't read anything about meds for autoimmune disorders, does panda take steroids regularly? you mentioned ensure and that it might be to sweet. did she try it? |
| Laurie and Oscar |
| I know how helpless you feel, Darcy. Praying that with supportive care and the higher dose of antibiotics that she'll come through this. Come on Panda-girl. We're all pulling for you baby and pray you'll be well. |
| Could a digestive blockage cause these symptoms? I know Darcy said the x-rays showed nothing but she didn't mention if the x-rays were done with the barium. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ C'mon Panda girl!! We need you to pull thru this. |
| Cindy |
| Tons of white light flowing your way Kathy |
| Thinking of you and sending all the positive energy we have to you and Panda |
| Oh Darcy I am so sorry to hear that panda is so ill. I am keeping you boyh in my thoughts. My yelloe lab once got some sort of virus and was vomiting so much and she was so weak she just lay on the floor and puled...I ran to my vet she gave her sub q fluids and some anti nausea meds and we did not give her any solids for 24 hrs then soft food I too thought I would lose her then. Panda we are all pulling for you |
| So sorry, I can offer no help but I am thinking of you and wishing both of you the best/ |
| Praying for both of you. I feel so bad for poor Panda and for you too Darcy. |
| Prayer coming from upside down land , my heart is aching for you both. Come on Panda you can do it, get well for everyone. |
| No, No...Panda will make it through this! Youa re in Arizona? near Phoenix? They must have a specialist you can see? The Baytril can be a reason she is not eating. My dog wouldn't eat at all while on Baytril. We gave him some pepcid Ac before giving , then tried to feed him and then a Gas X...The Baytril was really hard on his tummy... If other antibiotics don't work, Bay tril should....give it a few days...Hang in there Darcy and Panda...Sending our thoughts and prayers...Stay positive... |
| Yes I'm giving pepcid It's weird. Overnight she has developed a waddle under neck. We take her to the vet tomorrow am. |
| Did Panda get subq fluids? Sometimes the bolus of fluid can build up in weird places, until the body can absorb it. Hang in there, Darcy. Laurie and Oscar |
| Yes were hydrating her on the back of her neck. She is leaking out of her bladder. Bless her. |
| Darcy -- I am so sorry that you don't have better news. It is a 15 hour drive to CSU in Fort Collins. Long but not impossible. You could stay with us and take her up there for a second opinion. |
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| Darcy, thinking about you and Panda. |
| I forgot the pedialite. F f f f. Brian is getting some now. We are last ditching now. How could I forget it??? She is burning up. I can't get her fever below 104. Bad momma. Fffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| Can you cool her off with some damp, cool towels? Maybe just a cool wash cloth in her inner thigh area Just thinking? Continuing to stream white light Kathy |
| Does Rimidyl help lower temps in a dog like aspirin or acetominophen does for humans? If so, could you give her some of that? Barring that it doesn't upset her tummy more than it already is. |
| Darcy -- any chance Panda's illness is related to the newly reissued warning about chicken jerky from china? The FDA says if you do feed your dog these chicken jerky treats, keep a watchful eye on them to make sure you don't see a decrease in appetite or activity. Also look out for vomiting, diarrhea or bloody diarrhea, an increase in urination or thirst. These symptoms can take hours or even days to develop. If they do, immediately stop feeding the chicken jerky product and call your veterinarian right away. |
| ^^^^^ That's what I was thinking. |
| Nope Che only eats milk bones. |
| Darcy, have you read the thread here on the forum by TiaPanda about her dog Mac? Running a fever for weeks, swollen joints, lethargy, weight loss. I think it's titled "Whopping Infection". It might have nothing to do with what is going on with your Panda, but after weeks, her dog was finally diagnosed with immune mediated polyarthritis. It just struck me that some of Panda's symptoms reminded me of Mac. Laurie and Oscar |
| One more thought. Could this be canine lupus? Panda has vitiligo, right? Maybe all of her symptoms are part of a larger, more systemic autoimmune disorder. Jaci (6Girls) and I have a running bit about zebras. There's a saying in the medical profession that goes "If you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras.", meaning that the simplest answer is usually the right one. Don't go looking for exotic diseases when it's probably something run-of-the-mill. However, when Oscar becomes ill, we've learned that we need to think more about zebras then horses. Jaci goes through the same thing with her crew, usually Bumble. Maybe Panda is dealing with a zebra right now, too. Just trying to think of anything at all that can help your girl. Laurie and Oscar |
| Laurie, I keep coming back to something immune-mediated as well, including cancer, especially with her background. But you'd think something would be showing up on the blood work, and from what I recall it was relatively unremarkable? Too, you don't want to hit her with steroids and risk supressing her immune system unnecessarily, because she may need it to fight off some kind of opportunistic infection. So you have to be darn sure you know what you're looking at. Frustrating!!! Kristine |
| I have no wise words or bright ideas... just sending lots & lots of love xxx |
Mad Dog wrote: Laurie, I keep coming back to something immune-mediated as well, including cancer, especially with her background. But you'd think something would be showing up on the blood work, and from what I recall it was relatively unremarkable? Too, you don't want to hit her with steroids and risk supressing her immune system unnecessarily, because she may need it to fight off some kind of opportunistic infection. So you have to be darn sure you know what you're looking at. Frustrating!!! Kristine I too have been thinking of the auto immune issues... Was her platlet count ok as well, Darcy? I was thinking with Mandy, our gal that had IMHA she was put on Imuran(something to ask your vet about) Also, we put Quin on CAS Options that really helped his appetite, just a supplement that was recommended here and the oncologist thought it was a great idea Praying your little Princess pulls through this |
| Just thinking and praying for your little girl today. Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
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Oscar's Mom wrote: Jaci (6Girls) and I have a running bit about zebras. There's a saying in the medical profession that goes "If you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras.", meaning that the simplest answer is usually the right one. Don't go looking for exotic diseases when it's probably something run-of-the-mill. However, when Oscar becomes ill, we've learned that we need to think more about zebras then horses. Jaci goes through the same thing with her crew, usually Bumble. Maybe Panda is dealing with a zebra right now, too. Laurie's so right... with some of these OESs we need to look outside the realm of "normal". Expect the simple cause but consider the less common causes too. Unfortunately I have a new saying... "Don't be so focused on ponies that you miss the stripes." Mad Dog wrote: Laurie, I keep coming back to something immune-mediated as well, including cancer, especially with her background. But you'd think something would be showing up on the blood work, and from what I recall it was relatively unremarkable? Thinking the blood work is saying something to the doctors to suggest or eliminate possible conditions. I wonder if they could have a phone consultation with an internist at a veterinary college? My vets have sometimes sought answers with the help of university professors at MSU or internists at the blood testing lab like Idexx. http://www.idexx.com/view/xhtml/en_us/s ... SSOTOKEN=0 Maybe the lab that did Panda's blood work also offers this? I keep thinking of you guys... |
| We have an appt at vet at 9 am. She is barely holding on. Yes she was diagnosed with discoid lupus a while back. Thank you everyone for your offers to take us to a specialist. I'm so frustrated with Brian yet I don't want to blame him for not willing to do/pay more. That will take me down another road I'm afraid to take. God help me for saying that out loud. |
| Sending you all positive thoughts, prayers and strength. Come on Panda girl you can beat this. |
| Darcy! send you loads of hugs to help you thorough this difficulty time Honey!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| Any news about dear sweet Panda? |
| Checking in too see if there is any new news on Panda.. Please let it be good news. Lisa Frankie and Mattie |
| Darcy has posted in the Rainbow Bridge section. Laurie and Oscar |
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| oh bless....I couldnt read this thread, I am too much of a coward....RIP Panda darling...xxx |
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