Just wondering about longevity???
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I'd say 12-15 years is considered old age and living a good life.  |
That sounds like a dream. Would love to be so lucky to have a huggable, snuggable (healthy) sheepie for that long. Maybe some day ???  |
got sheep wrote: I'd say 12-15 years is considered old age and living a good life. Agreed. I would say 11-12 years is a good life. We've had some that have lived longer. Isaac made it to 13 years 4 months & 12 days which I considered a good, long life. |
| Kristine's Belle is 14 now I think, and Val's Pearl is 15. Those are just 2 that I know of right now who are getting up there in age. |
| My first, Simon lived to be just shy of 11 yrs old. My Cooper was young. Don't get me wrong, I loved every minute, whatever time we had with them but I was just wondering what the possibilities might be? Thank you to everyone for your input on this topic.  |
| Jake lived to 13 years, 3 1/2 months before his rear end just couldn't carry him any longer. His front end was happy but recently deaf (probably due to the pain meds). |
Ron wrote: Jake lived to 13 years, 3 1/2 months before his rear end just couldn't carry him any longer. His front end was happy but recently deaf (probably due to the pain meds). oh bless, that has made the keyboard go all blurry..... |
my miss daytona lived to be 15  |
| Apache our first oes lived to be just over 11, we lost Farley at 7 and I'm hoping Butchy out lives us. |
| I haven't had real long lived dogs.....some went young. MO will be 13 end of the year and is feeling her age: arthritis and tummy problems. I think I had one go to 14, just barely. Can't imagine a dog for 15 years......what a dream! |
nico lived to a lil over 13 w/cancer. think he mighta done 15 w/o nasty c.  |
| Based on the most recent (2009) OESCA breedwide health survey (see http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... rt2009.pdf for full report): The total number of dogs in the survey was 1,856. There were 995 females with an average age of 6.55 years and 861 males with an average age of 6.05 years. The survey covered OES owned during the immediately preceding five years. The total number of deceased dogs reported was 513 dogs. There were 277 deceased females whose average age at death was 10.8 years; the youngest age at death was 0.3 years, the oldest age was 17 years. The median age was 12. There were 236 deceased males whose average age at death was 9.9 years; the youngest age at death was 0.7 years, and the oldest age was 17 years. The median age was 11. The most frequent causes of death was Cancer at 165 dogs, 93 females and 72 males. |
18 years and 1 week with champas.  Mine have been around 14 years old. Anywhere from 10 onwards is special and into the golden oldie era  |
| Wow, Champas and Miss Daytona, happy long lives, how lucky! Thanks for the data, mad dog, (scary cancer facts though.) All we can do is love them as long as we have them (which we did), hope and pray for good, happy times (which we had plenty of). |
| Kristine, is the full database publicly available (or requestable)? I'd be interested in teasing out a few more numbers, such as life expectancy after the age of 5 and/or 7 and/or 9 etc. Possibly some other teasings. |
Ron wrote: Kristine, is the full database publicly available (or requestable)? I'd be interested in teasing out a few more numbers, such as life expectancy after the age of 5 and/or 7 and/or 9 etc. Possibly some other teasings. Yep - http://www.oldenglishsheepdogclubofamer ... rt2009.pdf |
| I saw that, it's a very nice report!! I was hoping for the underlying database. I want to do queries against it like: Select gender, count(*), avg(age) from oesdata where (age>=5) and (gender = male) group by gender; |
| My Lucy Blue was 15 years old and 1 month when she passed last November... Other then having to be on Rimadyl for the last few years of her life, she was very healthy up until her last week. I feel I was so blessed..... |
Ron wrote: I saw that, it's a very nice report!! I was hoping for the underlying database. I want to do queries against it like: Select gender, count(*), avg(age) from oesdata where (age>=5) and (gender = male) group by gender; I knew what you meant, Ron. The question has come up before and the short answer is no. Why? The question is really two part: (1) is it doable? Obviously, OESCA has the raw data stored - I was one of the people who worked with it to some extent - but not currently in a form that would easily permit what you're asking (as examples) Could something like what you're suggesting be designed? Possibly. I'll ask - hypothetical only, you understand - one of the more computer savvy people who worked on it what he thinks. (2) is it valuable? I'm with you - data like that makes me itch to ask all kinds of other questions. Possible correlations between certain causes of death and age of spay/neuter? Vaccination frequencies and immune-mediate issues? Etc. The problem is it really wasn't designed to easily answer those types of questions. So while it may seem intuitive to correlate certain things you may actually end up with wrong conclusions simply because the questions weren't asked correctly in the first place (the questions were fine for the objective of the study, which was much broader and simpler than the kind of questions I might find interesting on any given day). Your type of questions would perhaps be simpler and more doable. But there's still a risk, with something like this, that you could start by adding 2 + 2 and end up with 7. You'd need it designed by somebody who really knows what they're doing, and vetted by research minded folks to make sure that it does indeed function as intended. That said, the raw data is stored. And I think we even note in the report itself that with OESCA's permission the raw data could be made available to researchers at some later date if the situation warranted. But to you and me and so on? Most likely not. The club would probably have to spend a small fortune to ensure the integrity of a database that could be queried like you suggest, with little to be gained - except giving you and I a way to amuse ourselves - for the breed itself.Kristine |
NJ_Sheepie wrote: My Lucy Blue was 15 years old and 1 month when she passed last November... Other then having to be on Rimadyl for the last few years of her life, she was very healthy up until her last week. I feel I was so blessed..... You were so very blessed, we were blessed with such a sweet boy but unfortunately he wasn't meant to be with us for long. As things settle down now in my head I know we were meant to give him love, happiness and take the very best care of him, no matter how short the time was. (heart breaking now but happy times in the past, bitter sweet) |
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