Kenny has a few concerns after vet trip (advice requested)
1- He has some yeast in his ears....the breeder mentioned this but didn't act like it was something to be concerned about. Vet wasn't concerned but gave us medicine 2- had some worms....whatever is common in puppy poop....said it wasn't a big deal and gave us some meds 3- he has a recessed testicle (i think it's called that)....he seemed more irritated with this as he said it was unfair of the breeder to charge us full price for a dog knowing the surgery would be more. She did mention that when we bought him but she thought it would drop. Would you guys consider asking her to cover any difference in surgery price if it does not? I am not sure how to approach this one.... 4- he has a small bump near his neck (under skin and movable). Vet said just to watch it but he wasn't too concerned with it as he doesn't normally have issues with puppies with bumps. This vet is a family friend and well respected in the area and I know he would tell me everything straight. I guess i'm just a bit concerned as i'm already so attached to kenny. Looking for some advice and others experience. Thanks ahead of time |
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| Also, i've noticed he breathes fairly heavy when laying or we pick him up. A panting (but no coughy sound or anything). Is that normal? |
| Oh, I'm so sorry... I can see how this can be frustrating. I'm not sure about the yeast infection in the ear, but I think it's quite common for puppies to have worms, and that's why they are placed on deworming medications, like Pyrantel. Panting/fast breathing/rapid heart rate is normal for puppies. It sounds like the Vet has given kenny a thorough exam. Have you talked to your breeder about this? What does she say? |
| I guess that's my question as well. How do I approach this with breeder without offending or ruining any future help/relationship? |
| The retained testicle may still come down, and yes if it doesn't then the breeder should pay some toward neutering if it costs more. IMO the puppy really should not have yeast infections in it's ears already.... at such a young age that would concern me. That suggests that the pups immune system is not faring well, which hopefully is just because of the worms.... however for the pup to be still infested with worms, and for it to have had worms long enough to throw it's system out of balance and cause an ear infection suggests to me the pups weren't dewormed on a proper schedule if at all....  As for the bump hopefully it's just scar tissue or something from a bite from a littermate perhaps? I would contact your breeder and just let them know you have concerns and let them know how the vet visit went. |
| If I were experiencing the same issue, I would call my breeder up and say, "I went to the vet today and overall Kenny seems healthy but there were several concerning items I wanted to ask your opinion about. First of all, the vet mentioned that his testicle. Is this something I should wait a while to see?...... etc. etc." I don't think any breeder should be offended by someone asking their opinion about the puppies regarding a vet visit. The puppies were probably seen by the breeder's vet before, and perhaps he didn't pick up on certain things then. I would call her and just be honest about your concerns. She'll be there for you. I'm sure she's dealt with some overly crazy puppy owners before. Your concerns are totally legitimate.  |
| Welcome to you and Kenny. Sounds like your vet did a thorough exam. The worms and the yeast wouldn't concern me too much, but I would clean the ears regularly and keep an eye on them, to make sure that the yeast isn't a chronic problem caused by allergies. I would also keep an eye on the lump, and monitor it for changes in size, shape, etc. As far as the internal testicle, most have descended by the time the dog is six months old. If it isn't down by then, it's most likely not descending. When you bought Kenny, did the breeder mention the undescended testicle? When we got both of our dogs, the breeder pointed out their "deficiencies", and why they were pet quality. (Quincy had an underbite, and was a monorchid. Oscar was deaf.). Did you pay for a show quality dog, or a pet quality dog? If you paid for a show quality dog, and you received a dog with an undescended testicle, then I would say you have a case with the breeder for a reduced price. (It has been awhile, but we paid $1000 for a pet quality dog from a show breeder.) Hope this info is helpful. Laurie and Oscar, whom we love in spite of his "deficiencies".  |
| Well the mom actually had/has yeast infection now so i'm not overly surprised by that. The dogs poop has been pretty solid so I think he's on the good end of the worm thing too. I think I'll just have to play a wait and see approach and just keep an eye on stuff. I just dont want him to be constantly sick or something....he isn't the small puppy or anything either so it's not like he "looks" sick. |
| She did mention the testicle but we paid the same price regardless. There was no pet or show price. It may be worth asking her to provide some reimbursement if the testicle does not come down. I'm hoping for the best though....I'm not overly concerned with the cost of that surgery as it's just a random thing and isn't a long term problem (at least I'm guessing). |
| I forget precisiely how old he is, but young as I recall, so his testicle could still come down. If not, yes, I would expect the breeder to refund some amount of money and not be surprised by the request. Check how your contract reads re congenital issues and presuming you have a good relationship with the breeder it's a polite, honest discussion and chances are you can work something out. It's not something to be overly concerned with except that it is harder to find a testicle that didn't drop, so more invasive/complicated (and expensive) surgery than a regular neuter. Plus the undescended testicle carries a higher testicular cancer risk, so they are always removed. That doesn't mean you need to panic and rush out and get that done - it's a long term risk, not something that happens over night. He has time. And whatever you do try to refrain from groping him every five minutes to see if it's there yet  A friend did that to her poor puppy for 8 weeks. If it didn't drop breeder was going to take him back and place him in a pet home - friend was already in love with puppy and didn't want him going anywhere, but she wanted a show dog. Breeder and I used to tease her and tell her to knock it off before he developed a complex or just sucked them both up permanently. The testicles can, hm, yo-yo up and down for some time before they finally drop for good. His second one dropped at 16 weeks, which was breeder's deadline. He went on to win a national specialty. Which is neither here nor there, except to say that's how narrow the margin can be between pet and top winning show dog   Yeasty ears at that age is a bit unusual, but...? What struck me was the bump under the skin...could it be where the puppy has previously been innoculated? Kristine |
Quote: Frequently, owners notice that the puppy they just purchased only has one or possibly no testicles within the scrotum. Although different dates are listed in some of the veterinary literature, both testicles are usually within the scrotum by the time the animal is six weeks of age and they should definitely be there by the time the puppy is eight to ten weeks of age. If one or both testicles are not present at that location by twelve weeks of age, they probably never will be and the animal is said to be suffering from cryptorchidism or 'retained testicles.' This is a disorder that may be passed from generation to generation. Cryptorchidism: Undescended Testicles in the Dog Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc. Race Foster, DVM http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... 09&aid=897 I paid full price for my cryptorchid puppy but I know some breeders have dropped the fee because they understand that the neuter surgery will be more invasive and expensive. Be sure the retained testicle is removed when he's neutered... Kobuck's proof that both family and dog can suffer if it's accidentally left in place. (He's such a doll!) No matter what, Kenny is going to make a great companion.  |
| I believe they call the testicle, an undesended testicle and have heard that with quite a few male pups from some excellant breeders. I think they give it a few months to descend. If it doesn't, he needs to be neutered and its a bigger deal than a normal neutering but I know lots of people who had to do it. The yeasty ears...well, my pup came to me from a breeder off the referral list, a very reputable breeder and one I am now very friendly with. He did have some issues with yeasty ears and ear infections. Eventually he was tested for thryoid and it came back he had a border line low thryoid. Seems to be a common thing now with OES. He was put on meds and is doing fine... Not sure how old your pup is but I thought we always used some deworming as a puppy. Your Vet sounds like he is thorough....The panting might be because he is hot. Are you crating him? Do you ahve lots of blankets in there? Is the crate covered? If so, take most of the blankets out and cover only the sides keeping the top open...He may be too hot in there! Welcome to the world of Sheepies! |
| Ashley, I'm glad to hear you have some of the same experiences. The breeder we used was on the OESCA referral list, we had a friend who knows her, and other breeders who recommended her (also on the list on OESCA). I'm not going to over-react to anything right now because frankly, there is nothing we can do about it other than be attentive and treat accordingly. As far as the bump...I have no idea...I think the best thing is just to keep an eye on it...we have 2 vet appointments in the next 6 weeks so I'm sure he'll be checking it every time. Thanks again guys...you've been so helpful! |
| When Dexter was 4-5 months old he developed an ear yeast infection that went from a small, dark mess in his ears to the entire underside going orange in a couple days. The vet put him on 2 different drops (first one didn't work well) as well as recommending a probiotic, Tums and taking beef out of his diet. His food was (and is) lamb and rice but got some beef based treats, she wanted them removed also. It took quite a while to get rid of the yeast. He still gets a probiotic every morning. The orange hair will not wash or bleach out; it has to grow out. Keeping the hair pulled out of the ears is very important to healthy ears. |
| Oh dear, firstly keep up the vet worming program to make sure all that has passed. Very young to come to you with yeasty ears, the drops the vet precribed should clear that, if it re-occurs then you are looking at allergies, wether that is air borne or food related time will tell. So keep a vigilant eye on his ears, you can usually smell and see they are scrtaching that area as it flares again in the future. Now the undecended testie, sometimes at that age one is felt and the other can reticulate up and down or both can do the same thing, usually by 6 months if not down permantely then you do have a problem with a retained testicle.. So if that happens if you can wait for the neutering, which is more like a bitch spay as they have to go into the body cavity to find and remove it as it has to come out because it can go cancerous. But if you can wait till at least 12 months before doing that and he is more mature better for him. If the breeder knew there might possible be a problem there with his dangles then full price for the puppy should of not been charged, give it a couple of weeks/even another month or two and get the vet to feel that area again to see if it is permantely down as not unusual at that age to go up and down, if not and turns out to be a retained testie then regardless talk to the breeder and see what happens in the meantime keep the breeder up to date in relation to the yeasty ears, worms and what is happening with his testie with the vet check he has had and how he arrived with the ear problem and worms, if you insult them in the end so be it, but keep the list of problems happening and keep them up to date. If a nice and concerned breeder they will want to be informed, hopefully also contribute also to neutering if it turns out to be a retained testie. And pop him on Probiotics to help also at this time. Also the bump on the back of his neck could be just where the vaccinations went in, happens and does go down after a period of time, you have a few more vet appointments so just keep an eye on it that it is not getting bigger which I am sure your vet will monitor, to me it sounds like that and it can take awhile to susbside. |
| My Siberian Husky was a cyptorchid. Yes the surgery was more and because the Vet had a hard time finding the undecended testicle he had about four or five incisions. |
| If the testicle doesn't descend on it's own, do you get Animal Planet? Watch a show on French Poodles and magic might happen! (just kidding of course.)  |
Mad Dog wrote: Breeder and I used to tease her and tell her to knock it off before he developed a complex or just sucked them both up permanently. My husband has now banned my reading of Kristine's post while in bed. I laughed so loud that I woke him up!!!! |
Millielover wrote: Mad Dog wrote: Breeder and I used to tease her and tell her to knock it off before he developed a complex or just sucked them both up permanently. My husband has now banned my reading of Kristine's post while in bed. I laughed so loud that I woke him up!!!!I am banned from reading Kristine's post whilst eating or drinking. It is too dangerous!! |
| hahahah! Good posts all. I will say Kenny is very good about letting me clean his ears...I mean yes, i do have to pin him down but once he's down he doesnt yelp or anything or move when I'm doing it. He's a good pup |
| We bought our 2nd oes from a good breeder with championship lines. He was a cyptorchid which we were unaware of. Since we had the first pick of a puppy that we traveled to get she offered Farley to us, of course I fell in love. She emphasised again that we were looking for a pet not a show dog so I think she was aware that his testicles had not desended but I can't ever prove it. We had to have the more expensive surgery and she acted very surprised etc when I contacted her. She knew we weren't going to give him up and she didn't offer any compensation. We loved him dearly but I don't think she was concerned for us. Butchy didn't come from a great breeder but we checked right away just to make sure we wouldn't have the same situation. He is very healthy and happy and yes, we got lucky. I've never had a dog with worms so never have had to deal with that. Guess I was lucky and the breeder took care of that the way they were suppose to. |
| I'm not sure a breeder can tell if the testicle will descend at 8 weeks when the pup is sent home. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Unless you plan to breed, I don't think that is a big issue. Maybe a bit of a bigger surgery but nothing serious, I don't thnk. Did I read you were feeding Purina Pro Plan? My dog had alot of issues with that food. I know many breeders use it. Mine was one. I was never happy with the ingredients. And after I changed the food, I had fewer problems with ear infections, etc...We use Orijen and love it. But if you do change, do it slowly,,,slowly...slowly...just a teny bit mixed i with the old food... And as for the lump, I must ahve missed that part of your post. Sounds like maybe from a vaccine or if they gave him fluids subcutaneously ( spelling?)...sometimes it leaves a small lump that should go down... |
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