WE had a scare last night....

About 4am this morning, we woke up to what I thought was Cocoa Bean throwing up...well she wasn't.. Then I thought she was choking...I stuck my finger down her throat and found nothing. I woke my hubby up and then she was fine...then it happened again, kind of a throwing up/choking/coughing noise...then it went away. Then it came back (all in 1/2 hour) Well we took her into the vet just to make sure..they couldn't find any obstruction and they felt nothing in her belly or intestines. By then she hadn't coughed for about 20 minutes. They "diagnosed" her with Kennel cough since there weren't any obstructions (they never heard her cough). They wanted to give her antibiotics, but since she hadn't coughed in a while, Tim (my hubby) declined. She hasn't coughed/choked/threw up whatever since (going on 2 1/2 hours). I still have no idea what it was ...she'd been in her crate for 5 1/2 hours, and nothing was in there with her except her blanket and it wasn't chewed on...

She's eating, playing, pooping all like she was, so I'm trying not to be concerned. :)

If any of you think you may know...I'd love help! She has been pooping out crushed pebbles, so we're REALLY trying to monitor what she's doing outside. My hubby doesn't want to give her sticks, because he's heard those aren't good for dog...I have NO idea!
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Wow that was scary!

I've never had a pup, and I'm not familiar with that kind of cough/gag. Perhaps it was a feather or other irritation of some sort, or a pebble that was expelled and the throat was slightly irritated, or maybe she wanted to hurl, or maybe it was nothing at all.

Sorry I'm not much help, keep an eye on her!
Have you heard a dog trying to vomit? Herka-Gerkas? It is different than a cough.

You did mention the gravel eating to the vet, didn't you? All I can suggest with the gravel eating is to make sure she has plenty of fiber in her diet to push out the pebbles.........Metamucil for larger dogs, I'd really be hesitant to give a recommendation for puppies. Our vet also suggested a bit of oil added to the diet to "grease the passage." Maybe a dab of pumpkin pureee to her food??

Puppies investigate the world with their mouth, it is your job to stop them from investigating bad things by immediately substituting good things in their mouth. Get the gravel out and inset some toy. Lure the pup away from the gravel and start play time.

Gravel is also a good breeding ground for whip worms.......sure don't want puppy rootin' around there.
I hope she's feeling better. I would be concerned too - especially w/ the gravel eating.

Keep an eye on her - make sure she is eating and drinking normal, and keep checking that poop to see what's coming out. Pee too - don't want dehydration.

Babies are babies - they do some crazy stuff!
Sheepieboss is 100% correct in her advice.
Puppies investigate their world with their mouths.
Would hate for your baby to eat something and fear the worst that could happen.
Believe it, puppies can swallow a sock,kitchen towels,soap and even rocks.
Try to stay positive along with use the leash and the toy swap game to draw attention away from those nasty rocks.
Robin
You have only had your pup for a few days... do not
look the other way ... there is a test for Bordetella (Kennel Cough) .. not
very expensive... Your vet can do the test or you can do
it via Zoologix.com ... look at the medical record that came
with your pup... did your pup receive the Bordetella vaccine ?
If not understand that Bordetella spreads very easy... and the sooner
you treat it the easier it is to get rid of....if you pup has it you could
be spreading it to other animals and it can spread to people... Even
cats can get certain strands of it.... With your pup being so new...
now is the time to figure out if there is a problem.. Sometimes when
people get a new pup they will head to places like PetsMart or to the
doggie park... very proud of their baby... and not realize they are exposing
their pet to lots of terrible things... Pups are protected through their moms
milk while they are nursing....then they are on their own.. for the first few weeks
their bodies have not built up the defense of an adult dog... so if there is
something out there for them to catch ...they will... The shots are extremely
important, so be sure to view what was given by the breeder and the medical
record should be taken to your pups vet.... I am totally against waiting ... and
hoping its nothing ... If I had a new pup I would have to rule out things like
Bordetella... because if left untreated it could cause damage that may not
show up in your dog for years.... I am surprised that a vet would do just
guess work when there are simple test to confirm or neg or positive.. be very
comfortable in questioning your vet... if they tell you something that does not
sound right... ask them to explain... if a vet is going to give medicines..they
should be able to tell you .. this is what your pet has... and this is the meds
needed to treat it.. especially when it is something so easy to test for... Keep
in mind its your pup now.. it depends on you to take care of it... I would call
my vet and talk to him/her.
Bordatella, or kennel cough, is really not that serious of a disease.

With common sense and observation, it usually just goes away on it's own. In most cases antibiotics are not even needed.

It's similar to us having a cold. They are almost always just a nuisance. In rare cases it progresses to something more serious, usually in compromised or susceptible individuals (humans or dogs) - bronchitis, pneumonia or something similar.

It's not something to just ignore, however it is not something to get overly alarmed about either.

The vaccine is not that effective anyway - it covers a few strains, but not all that are out there. To my knowledge, it is NOT common practice to vaccinate puppies for this. In fact, I know of no one who does this with puppies before they are sold.
I was curious, and called my vet office and they looked up the vaccine's recommendations - and it lists 10 weeks as the youngest this vaccine is recommended for puppies.
When I read the post from the person with the pup... they
said it scared them so much they took the pup to the vet this
morning... I believe that if a dog or pup has Bordetella it should be
treated.... however to rule out Bordetella and if it happens again
one needs to find out what is wrong with the pup... I do believe in
common sense...but this person was scared for their pup.. and yes
it may just go away on its own.. but what if it does not... is the correct
advice to give is look the other way and hope it goes away... I am not
saying give the vaccine... I said look at the medical record.. was it given
the shot... just good information to have... we all speak from the heart...
I did have a pup that came to my house with Bordetella... I took it to the vet
he did the test.. it was positive.. he gave me meds... I gave them to the
pup and it went away....I am not a doctor... just a pet owner and I always
air to the side of caution...
Oh poor little Cocoa Bean! I am sure she will be fine!
I agree 100% with Dawn on common sense and keeping an eye on her.
You have already had her to the vet so, that was the best thing you could do.
If there is a test for bordAtella I am sure your vet would have recommended
it if it was necessary!
I have never heard of a strain that can be spread to humans or even cats.
Yes, of course other dogs can get it but, with a healthy immune system they
can typically avoid geting it.
I have had many a rescue dog come in with kennel cough and only once did
I have an issue with my wheatie getting sick from it. I do not gove the bordatella
vaccine.
I can speak from experience saying I used to do it every six months and my dogs
would get kennel cough in a heart beat!
Hugs to the little Beanie Baby!
:ghug:
The first thing I thought of was kennel cough as well. The second? Worms. (BLECH!!!) Some types of worm infestations, including hookworms, which a pup can get from their momma, can cause coughing. First, I'd check the stool for eggs or adult worms, 'cause if it's bad enough to cause a cough, it should be showing up in Cocoa's doo-doo as well.

Hope she's better soon.


Laurie and Oscar
It has been at least 4 hours ...anymore coughing or crushed pebbles in Cocoa Bean's stool?
Looking forward to another report.
Robin
Sybil (5 years old so NOT a puppy, technically ;-) ) scared the you know what out of me at an agility trial this weekend. It was held at a farm and in between runs I let her and her sister run in a big pasture. They ran some, she rolled some, and also gobbled grass like it was going out of style. I knew what she was doing but some dogs really like spring grasses and how much could she really consume on those brief breaks between runs and me working and so on? :cow:

End of day she starts lightly coughing/gagging. I stick my finger down her throat. Nada. Maybe some of the grass/weeds scratched her throat a bit on the way down. She thinks she's a goat, but, let's face it, she's not. Don't worry too much, off to watch a friend finish an agility championship, come back to check on girls, she's clearly distressed. I hop in the van and off we go - do I go home to see if she'll settle or directly to the emergency vet clinic? :twitch: :twitch: Decisions, decisions.

About 5 miles down the road her wretching finally pays off as she deposits about a pound of slimy grass in my lap (so gracious of her to share) I was so damn relieved I just laughed. :twitch: :phew:

She wretched very slightly a couple of times more, unproductively, and then she settled down and has been fine ever since.

Fully understand the panic, but if all systems are normal now, and the vet has ruled out an obstruction, chances are good she's fine. You just continue to keep an eye on her.

Kennel cough symptoms, by the way, are not intermittent. So if she hadn't been coughing on her way to and at the vet's and has been fine since I really doubt that's what she has.

Kristine
Are you sure, this breed, is not half goat...LOL!
Kristine your stories are so well written,always makes me feel like I can visualize everything,perfectly.
Thanks for sharing.
Robin
No more coughing/ gagging..anything. :)
I called our regular vet and she thought if it was really kennel cough, she would continue to cough and there has been NO signs of anything. It's like it never happened. I thought it was throw up because I was awakened at 4am to a strange noise..of course, I quickly found out it was something different.

My vet said most of the time, kennel cough clears up on its own and they don't treat it unless she's had it for several days. She pretty much said it was like the croup but for dogs and to put her in a shower if she does it again tonight. We've had this vet for 15+ years, so I trust her completely..and yes, Cocoa Bean is FULLY vaccinated (well, as much as you can be at 9 weeks).

I am not freaked out anymore and if she does it again tonight, I'll go from there, but I'm not expecting her to. :)

I guess I just don't remember puppies eating/going after this many pebbles. :oops: We've been really watching her when outside, and today has been much better.
:clappurple: :clappurple: :clappurple:
Great News!!!!!!!!!!
gumbo41 wrote:
Are you sure, this breed, is not half goat...LOL!
Kristine your stories are so well written,always makes me feel like I can visualize everything,perfectly.
Thanks for sharing.
Robin


Thanks, Robin, though NOT one of my better, stories - I really was on the verge of full-fledged panic :twitch: 8) (Dawn - if you had a missed call from me, that was why ;-) )

I don't know that the breed is part goat, but certain parts of it...one DOES wonder.

The first two years of Sybil's life my vet answered her cell phone as follows: so what did she eat THIS TIME???

Apparently there is some not so official veterinary contest where the vet who removes the oddest thing from one of her clients wins. Amy was convinced Sybil was going to be her ticket to winning the event :roll: :wink:

None of her siblings are goats. A few share the mule genes, but I think she's it for goat ancestry. :crossed:

She's going to drive me to drink or something. Thank god Susan posts things like that great margarita icecream recipe. :pupeyes:

Kristine
sllamey wrote:
No more coughing/ gagging..anything. :)


:yay: :yay: :yay:

Excellent news, Sheryl! Thanks so much for letting us know.

By the way, I have a Belly Bean (don't ask - co-owner made it up :lol: :lol: ) She's not a puppy, though, she's 13 1/2. Her sister was named Coco. 8)

Kristine
Yeah Cocoa Bean !!!
If Cocoa Bean ate those candy pop rocks we could call him a jumping bean...just trying to lighten the scare,not to offend.
Thanks for letting us know Cocoa Bean is OK.
Robin
So glad to hear Coco Bean is ok! :clappurple: :clappurple: :clappurple:

Cindy
Hope Cocoa Bean is feeling better! And that your blood pressure has gone down. I remember when Mady was a puppy, it was so hard to know when something was serious or not. I think I called Amber, Mady's breeder, every second day, and our vet on alternate days. Let us know how our little cocoa beanie baby girl is doing!
got sheep wrote:
I was curious, and called my vet office and they looked up the vaccine's recommendations - and it lists 10 weeks as the youngest this vaccine is recommended for puppies.


I am not saying I believe all dogs should have this vaccine... but the two major
producers are Pfizer and Fort Dodge.. here are the instructions as to when to
administer the vaccine.... Keep in mind this is straight from the people that
make the vaccine.....


Bronchicine CAE
Pfizer Vaccines
DescriptionInstructionsArticlesCustomer Reviews.Canine Bordetellla Bronchiseptica BacterinKilled VirusInjectable vaccinationDon't forget to order health records.
If you are ordering vaccines and the temperature is above 80 degrees, add extra ice to ensure your vaccines arrive cool.
Call or email for vaccine expiration dates. Vaccines are non-returnable.


Recommended for the vaccination of healthy dogs against diseases caused by canine bordetella bronchiseptica. This is a killed version of the virus.
Administer 1mL SQ to healthy dogs at least 8 weeks of age. For initial vaccination, a second dose is required 2-4 weeks later. Revaccinate annually with a single 1mL dose.




Bronchi-Shield III
Fort Dodge Animal Health
DescriptionInstructionsArticlesCustomer Reviews.Canine Adenovirus Type 2, Parainfluenza, Bordetella BronchisepticaModified Live VirusIntranasal vaccinationDon't forget to order health records.
If you are ordering vaccines and the temperature is above 80 degrees, add extra ice to ensure your vaccines arrive cool.
Call or email for vaccine expiration dates. Vaccines are non-returnable.


Recommended for the vaccination of healthy dogs against diseases caused by canine adenovirus type 2, parainfluenza and bordetella bronchiseptica. All viruses in this vaccine are modified live versions of the virus.
Intranasal vaccine for healthy dogs 8 weeks of age and older. Inject 0.5mL of rehydrated vaccine into each nostril - use syringe with applicator
Donner's Mom wrote:
I have never heard of a strain that can be spread to humans or even cats.
:ghug:


Below is copied from CFA.org .... Cat Fanciers Association... its the number cat registry in the USA.... Sorry I cant help myself.... When I do not know the correct answer to something
I have to do research and find the correct answer... they even make a Bordetella vaccine for cats...

Bordetella? Isn't that a DOG disease? Why would I worry about THAT?
Yes, Bordetella Bronchiseptica is more commonly known as Kennel Cough, affecting dogs who spend time in crowded conditions (like a kennel). It causes a whooping like cough, with little or no additional signs. Occasionally, an untreated dog will suddenly develop acute pneumonia, and will die unless treated quickly.

More significantly, Bordetella has been isolated in numerous other mammalian species, such as pigs, horses, sheep, goats, monkeys and humans. It has not, however, been previously recognized in cats, and an otherwise unenlightened veterinarian will look at you oddly if you request a Bordetella culture.

Bordetella has been affecting numerous catteries from coast to coast (I have seen reports from Washington, California, Texas, and various east coast states). It has been a serious problem, with high mortality, and surprising tenacity. A breeder I spoke to here in the San Francisco Bay Area lost 28 kittens in 18 months before it was finally identified at UC Davis and properly treated. She has begun vaccinating, and has had healthy kittens since.

One good thing, however--Bordetella is a bacteria, NOT a virus, and can be eliminated with good husbandry and appropriate antibiotics!
Glad your baby is OK and the coughing has stopped, blame the peebles or even maybe grass grazing, sounds like that is what it is, especially as the stones passed. Being through KC earlier this year with my gang the cough does not stop once they start. So I would rule that out completely.

Amazing what puppers can get into in the garden and yard, so just be aware especially with stones if big enough can cause a blockage. :wink:

Have some flax seed oil on hand or even just plain ol olive oil you can dose with for a puppy to if you suspect more in there help clear the gut of the debris. :wink: Your youngster about a teaspoon of the oil to help all things pass easily if still not acting normal. :wink:
Lisa....did it say whether it could be shared between the two species??
I know there is a kennel cough vaccine for cats but, I was always under the assumption
that it could not be shared between the two
Of the vets I have worked for none of them carried or recommended that vaccine and I worked
for VCA and they vaccinate for EVERYTHING :roll:
Adding on here that I did a quick look and this article states

"Since Feline Bordetella is treated in much the same way as the canine variety"
Whole article is at
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 815AAUmhRq
Couldn't find much more but, I am sure more info is out there
sllamey wrote:
My hubby doesn't want to give her sticks, because he's heard those aren't good for dog...I have NO idea!


That is too bad! Sticks have saved us here! Dahlia just loves them and it is a toy that is always available. We don't let her splinter them if that is what he is worried about. I bet if you took a survey here, there are a lot of OES stick lovers!
NJ_Sheepie wrote:
That is too bad! Sticks have saved us here! Dahlia just loves them and it is a toy that is always available. We don't let her splinter them if that is what he is worried about. I bet if you took a survey here, there are a lot of OES stick lovers!

Gosh, I'm going to be banned from OES.org for being a party pooper for sure. :pupeyes:
Be real careful with sticks and that they don't run with them. Kind of like what we were taught in school about not running with scissors. :wink: Julianne's boy Kenley got jabbed in the back of the mouth with a whale bone ( 8O ) and needed stitches. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33760

Ok... I'm leaving again... :|
He is worried about splinters....do you pull the bark off? I"d love to give her something like that to chew on, but I don't know how to de-bark the stick. LOL


Olive/flax seed oil...how much do I give her? Everyday? with food? alone? HOw old do they have to be??

I have not heard the cough but my husband thinks he heard it for just a second... I thought it was a sneeze! LOL
sllamey wrote:
He is worried about splinters....do you pull the bark off? I"d love to give her something like that to chew on, but I don't know how to de-bark the stick. LOL


I would try something like a Nylabone for her chewing pleasure!! :P
Ours chew on them all the time!
Glad she is doing better! Nothing wrong with being overly cautious!
Glad your pup is ok :) Hopefully no more rock eating, she can get really sick or even die if she gets an intestinal obstruction one of these times. The gagging might have been from that but personally I would deworm her to be on the safe side.

Just some info....(sheepdog lover)

There are several species of bordatella. Bordatella is NOT contagious between species.

The vaccine is not very effective and in my experience causes more illness than it prevents. I do not ever give my dogs that vaccine, and they've never caught it even when exposed to dogs exhibiting symptoms.
We had to ban sticks too, as Mady would chew them, eat them, then get sick. And she could do that in seconds, so now when she even LOOKS at a stick, we give her a warning. I wish the outside world were covered in kongs and nylabones.
Donner's Mom wrote:
Lisa....did it say whether it could be shared between the two species??



Not that I know of, we vaccinate here with what they call a C5 Vacs, here is the link to the two types of KC they vaccinate dogs for.
http://www.bhvet.com.au/petcare/dogvac.php

Now having said that new protocal here is after initial set of puppy vaccinations followed by 12 months later a annual booster they should be right for 3 years, even then I think it is too much loading them up with live vaccines. My plan is a titer test in another 12 months to see.

Babette brought home KC from a dog show, so contagious and went to Syd then momma, all hacking like walruses. Preventative to it turning into pneumonia was a course for each of them of Anti-biotics and also a special cough syrup to help suppress the coughing fits especially made for dogs and on vet prescription to help them when the fits of coughing hit.

Would I vaccinate for KC, NO, my experience there was Syd and Babs at the time were up to date on there KC vaccinations, one of them is only viable for 6 months the other 12 months so they say. Brie has not been vaccinated since 5 years old and she is soon turning 9 with those two KC, GUESS WHAT :lmt: She was the least affected and her KC was mild compared to the kids. Personally I think it is a dam waste of time & there totally useless having those KC vacs and more live viruses we are putting into there systems each year. JMO We dont jab human babies every year with live viruses.

sllamey start her off with 1/2 a teaspoon and see how she goes hopefully all those stones will pass without incident, over her dinner once a day for a few days, if doing OK and no diarreah up it the 2nd day to 1 teaspoon over her din dins it will also help the throat if she has scratch it a bit with eating stones.

With your hubby hearing maybe a little cough could be after eating stones, just a scratchy throat, believe me you know when they have KC it's ongoing with hacking and like any colds worse overnight :wink:

I lived with a bunch of walruses and first time KC came home, never want it again amongst the fur kids. Lets hope now all of them have had it, there immunity is better against it for having it when little madam brought it home to share with her fur family. 8) :D
Mady wrote:
I wish the outside world were covered in kongs and nylabones.

Michigan's covered in Jolly Balls... they just pop up overnight like mushrooms. 8)

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Wow!!!
Looks like a fun place!
Robin
[quote="Willowsprite"]Just some info....(sheepdog lover)

There are several species of bordatella. Bordatella is NOT contagious between species.

quote]

I Googled what you typed... "Bordetella contagious between species"... and pages of
research came up that has been done by Doctors, Vets, and many research people...

This is just one line from this write up..

Bordetella bronchiseptica is a "small, gram-negative, rod-shaped bacterium of the genus Bordetella" (ref- wikipedia.com), and is one of several strains of Bordetella. This particular strain affects chiefly animals and is transmittable between species; human infection is possible but usually limited to immuno-compromised individuals. Bb is a respiratory pathogencan and can be either a primary or secondary infection source.

Here is the link this sentence came from:
http://www.chincare.com/HealthLifestyle ... agious.htm

Maybe there is research somewhere that states it is not transmittable between species
I have looked but I cant find it.
:clappurple: :clappurple:
Jaci we are all moving to Jolly Ball town!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lisa, thank you for your wonderful input, I always respect your knowledge!!!!!!!
Honestly, the bottom line is Cocoa Bean feels okey dokey so good news! :banana:
Well I AM a party pooper~~ I need those jollyballs in our backyard to keep Heart from gnashing on rocks~~sticks~~bugs~~and especially GRASS!!! I am constantly, moving her around the yard with a very stern... """"""""LEAVE IT!!!!!!""""" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
And, of course being a very obediant puppers, she does leave THAT spot~and goes a couple feet to the right or to the left and begins again.... :oops: :oops:

She does hack when eating certain grass, and with my constant supervision, does not eat enough to see the evidence in her pu..but.....I sure wish she would just STOP and chew on one of the 12,000 bones in her toy box.... :cry:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_kennel_cough.html

I stand corrected, the bacterium itself may be contagious between species (though rarely to humans unless immunocompromised) however kennel cough itself is usually caused by the bacteria as well as a virus, and the viruses that cause it in dogs are not contagious to humans.
I found these references... one from a drug company Intervet/Schering-Plough Animal Health, one from Purina and one from Drs. Foster & Smith. It appears to relate to Bordetella bronchiseptica only. We've never had it here and I'm definitely not any authority on it. Something to look into further.

Quote:
Transmission of Bordetella bronchiseptica between dogs and cats

Epidemiological evidence shows that the isolation of Bordetella bronchiseptica (Bb) from cats is frequently associated with the presence, in the same household, of dogs with recent respiratory tract disease..

Bb infection in cats has been reported following outbreaks of kennel cough in dogs within the same households. Furthermore, in one such case the isolates of Bb from the cats and dogs were shown, by molecular techniques, to be identical. This suggests that Bb may be transmitted between dogs and cats.

The implication of this evidence is that cats that are in regular contact with dogs are at risk from Bb infection.
Intervet/Schering-Plough Animal Health: http://www.nobivacbb.com/bordetella/epi ... s_cats.asp


Quote:
Bordetella bronchiseptica causes illness that resembles viral disease, with one important difference. Coughing is uncommon with the other diseases but occurs frequently in cats infected with Bordetella. Bordetella is highly contagious and can be passed between dogs and cats.
Purina Care: http://pethealthlibrary.purinacare.com/ ... -diseases/


Quote:
Until recently, infectious tracheobronchitis was considered to not be a human health risk. Recently however, research indicates that Bordetella bronchiseptica may cause disease in some humans, primarily those with compromised immune systems. In normal, healthy adults there does not appear to be a risk, but young children and immunocompromised individuals should take precautions against coming into contact with animals that have symptoms of tracheobronchitis.
Drs. Foster & Smith: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... 02&aid=452
Excellent articles from Willowsprite and 6girls...
The interest in Bordetella helped me learn
and understand a lot...
I SO appreciate all your input!!!! I <3 that back yard...Can I come over to play. :)

The coughing has continued but VERY rarely (like 2-3 times a day). I am wondering now if it's allergies or something. I'm NOT worried at all since my other dog isn't coughing or making any weird noises...I just think it's who Cocoa Bean is! :)

I can't believe she's been with us a week already....she's sleeping through the night :banana: :banana: And no accidents in the last few days another :clappurple: :clappurple: :clappurple:

I'm uploading pictures now...I'll post them soon!
^^^^^^^ Awesome...can't wait to see pics!!!!!!!
I really think it's well worth deworming her even if fecal tests are negative.... it can't hurt and I have a feeling that's what you may be dealing with.
Willowsprite wrote:
I really think it's well worth deworming her even if fecal tests are negative.... it can't hurt and I have a feeling that's what you may be dealing with.


I agree Stacey!

My wheatie coughs if he drinks out of an elevated water bowl..
Well, they are all elevated but, his is little fella sized
Is the water bowl on the floor?
I would keep bowls at her level for now, just a thought!
She's taken heart worm pills...is that what you mean?
Her bowl is a bit elevated (maybe 6 inches). She's not coughing after she drinks...just very random times...sometimes outside, sometimes inside. It started in the middle of the night after she'd been in her crate for 5 1/2 hours.
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No, not re heartworm... I mean just regular worms. (probably roundworms)
I'd ask your vet to deworm her with strongid or panacur.
It seems that if this pup was tested for heartworms, then given the
heartworm pills the vet would have see something like roundworms.
And if I am not mistaken Heartworm pills will kill the roundworm larva.
I believe that is why once a pup goes on heartworm pills you
no longer have to worm it.... I think heartworm pills will kill the larva
for everything except Whipworms (not sure about them) and Tapeworms.
So it seems like if the pup is getting the heartworm pill that should
rule out worms? I think on the box it will tell that it kills roundworms, etc.
Sheepdog Lover wrote:
It seems that if this pup was tested for heartworms, then given the
heartworm pills the vet would have see something like roundworms.


First off, puppies are not tested for heartworms...
When a dog is tested for heartworms it is typically around a year old, done at its first big kid visit!

When testing for heartworms it is done through a blood draw, roundworms would be seen in a whole
different kind of test, stool sample.

It is always safest to deworm as a preventative...it does not hurt!
Some heartworm preventives kill other intestinal worms as well, but the type of worm targeted depends upon the product. Oscar takes Sentinel monthly, which covers hookworms, whipworms and roundworms. However, Heartgard does not target whipworms, and neither Sentinel or Heartgard will kill a tapeworm. My vet does an annual deworming (Drontal, a broad spectrum dewormer) in addition to the monthly Sentinel, to cover all of the bases.

Laurie and Oscar
So...we never got her tested...and she seems fine. We've had a pet sitter over for the day and she didn't see/hear anything and she's been house sitting for 20+ years. I still have no clue what it was, but she does have a well check next Saturday, so my hubby might mention it. Again, we're so not worried!
Kathy- Puppies in South Texas are tested and on Heartworm prevention by 3-4 months of age. I remember it was a pain with Ripley, we could only get it monthly for a while till she stopped growing :(
Pat
furry and four paws wrote:
Kathy- Puppies in South Texas are tested and on Heartworm prevention by 3-4 months of age. I remember it was a pain with Ripley, we could only get it monthly for a while till she stopped growing :(
Pat


Yes, they should be put on heartworm prevention at that age but, they don't test until typically the first annual visit if they have stayed on prevention.

Double checking to make sure nothing has changed and found this link

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/artic ... icleid=584
Foster Smith says typically 6-7 months for adults to develop. American Heartworm says 5-7months. Another site says 4-7 months. These are averages, so some could have adults sooner and some later.

My point with my initial post is different parts of the US have different issues and rates of heartworm. Where I live it's endemic. Because we have such a mild climate there are a lot of dog breeders whose kennels use misters and fans in the summer. A puppy could concievably be bitten shortly after birth.

My two older males were rescues. They were tested between 5-6 months before starting prevention.

I was comfortable when my vet explained everything to me. Rip was tested at 4 months then at 1 year and yearly since then.

Here in the Southwest we have issues due to the closeness of the Mexican border. There are a lot of vector animals not just dogs/cats that affect our animal's health. I guess I should be happy I don't have to worry about Lymes Disease :phew:
So glad your pup is not coughing anymore.. sounds like
its doing great.... Your pup is absolutely beautiful... I love
its markings... Just too cute... Enjoy the puppy days.. they
just seem to go by too fast.
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