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Cappi is now 17mths, intact, found a new friend to play with, she is known to several other walkers and only appears (alone) when in heat. I turned back to see where they were and said to my friend that they were stood very still, I ran back to see what was going on to find them stuck together, but back to back. I didnt know what to do, typically there were no other walkers around, neither dog seemed distressed, both were stood still, as I was dithering about the female dog just seemed to walk off, my dog gave a yelp! If this happens, what can we do? He is now quiet, I would say sulking, but should I be aware of anything untoward? Is there a liability for me and any pups that might appear? (she is a black lab, he is the only male oes in town). |
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yes, u r in serious trouble. you will send me a pup and say 5 hail marys.  |
| LOL, well now the shock has worn off and I have spoke to some other people I realise this is nothing to worry about. There is no Dog CSA, and this sort of thing happens ALL the time!!! Ha ha I feel a little daft now. Cappi is still sulking, probably doesnt like the idea of being a one night stand...... |
Well, keep your eyes out for symptoms of communicable diseases like brucellosis in case the lady has been indiscriminant in the past, which sounds likely, but, no, you can't "break it up" once they've truly tied and the idiot bitch owner is entirely liable in my admittedly unlawyerly opinion, but really  This is why there are leash laws. Among other things. Kristine |
| ohh my embarrassment just continues, std's did cross my mind, when i read your post about brucelloisis i thought that was a dog std........ now i have googled and realise HE can pass it to ME |
| Since Cappi is deaf, I Would let the owner know that there is a high chance of deaf dog coming from the litter. It is sometimes hard to place a deaf OES let alone a deaf mixed breed! I can't imagine not having total control of Cappi at all times...has he ever run off since he is not being supervised? Not beng altered and deaf his chances of running off to me would be rather high! I am sorry if that sounds harsh but, this coming from a gal that was wrapped in leashes for an hour at the water while my deaf dogs played on their leashes! |
| If you weren't planning on breeding him, is there a reason that he isn't neutered? I am not being judgemental, but, I do feel that both the lab's parents and you have the responsibility here to neuter/spay your pets....so, that unexpected puppies don't come into play.... Obviously, this is your choice as the parent.... I am just a firm believer that if you aren't breeding... then, a pet should be spayed/neutered or be very closely supervised. |
charlysez wrote: ohh my embarrassment just continues, std's did cross my mind, when i read your post about brucelloisis i thought that was a dog std........ now i have googled and realise HE can pass it to MEWell, since you're in the UK (yes?) his chances of contracting brucellosis is a fair bit lower than it would be if he was casually being frisky here in the states, but there are a couple of other possibilities as well. Just keep an eye on him and mention his tryst to his vet if something comes up. Here we test for brucellosis before every breeding, both sire and dam. Not something you want to mess with. Kind of hard to do when the dogs decide to have a casual go at it on their own  If he wants to continue to enjoy his freedom without risk of pawternity suits, the naughty boy might best be snipped.  Kristine |
| I havent had him neutered because he is only 17mths and everyone says its bad for dogs so have resisted. This was his first encounter and he was in an enclosed dog walking area where this other dog roams free, without owners. She gets pregnant often but nobody ever sees any pups, we dont know at what stage the owner disposes of them. We are fortunate to have a lovely designated, enclosed space for walking dogs, so Cappi is off the lead with his pals every day, in fact he comes back to me more often than the hearing dogs go back. Just going back to the neutering subject, it was always my intention to have him neutered but then threads on here and other sites just made the choice not to seem medically right. Now his is almost fully grown/developed perhaps I should revisit it again. |
| I had Brick neutered at 6 months. Part of me wishes I had waited to 9 months because I often wonder if he would have developed a little differently if he had the testosterone running thru him for a little longer (of course I have no scientific data to back up my belief, just a hunch). Like his bark is kinda high pitched, for one example. But I don't know of a reason why a non-breeding dog should be kept intact much past 6-9 months. The breeders on the site can weigh in on that one. |
| There's no problem keeping an intact dog if that's what you've chosen to do but it does mean you have more responsibilities than owners of altered dogs. An unsupervised intact dog on public property will always have the potential to be a problem if for no other reason than there are other people out there with intact dogs not being supervised. Deaf dogs making puppies though is wrong. Sad that the well-frequented-bitch is producing multiple litters no one ever sees... now the added possibility of them having a genetic condition makes it even more so. But the deed is done... you didn't intend for it to happen but you now know there's a problem so you take steps to prevent it from happening again. Brucellosis is a concern in the US... glad to hear it's not a big problem in the UK. We had a USDA breeder in NY last year that depopulated his kennel by gassing them because of it.  And my vet was emphatic about not bringing a bred-breeder-bitch on the property unless she tested negative and then to quarantine her. Those recommending keeping bitches and dogs intact until 18 months are people who have a lot of experience with intact dogs and their dogs are well trained. They don't want dogs to suffer from health conditions they might not otherwise get if altered later. But I think 100% control and supervision of these dogs are a given. They would likely be upset that unwanted puppies were produced that might instead suffer because of this choice. |
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