I love pit bulls
Has anyone else done this ID test: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html? I did, and honestly I think of myself as a pretty savy dog person, but I could not ID the pit bull. It really got me thinking about Pit Bulls, the bully breed bans, poor breeding, and poor pet ownership. Is it really the breed of dog, or irresponible breeding and poor ownership that have led Pit Bulls to have a bad rap? Is anyone else a closet Pit Bull lover just erking to get of the closet? |
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| I am not really a PB lover but, I have no problem with them at all! When I worked at the vet I had no issues with doing anything with them! Of course they can be intimidating but, are generally sweet as can be! The only time I was ever bitten(at work) was by a Peke mix and a husky mix but, that was an accident with her  |
OKay so, I am a dork  Where is the answer?? I picked 16 |
jcc9797 wrote: Is anyone else a closet Pit Bull lover just erking to get of the closet? Yes. I confess. I have a thing for them. I don't understand why because they're HAIRLESS for pete's sake! But that beautiful, powerful athleticism all wiggling and trying to turn itself into a pretzel to get into your lap....OK, so I do have a preference for the super friendly ones, but even a little wiggle and a grin will do it for me too. Kristine |
| Got em on the first pick!! But then there are a lot around here plus the hybrids. |
SheepieBoss wrote: Got em on the first pick!! But then there are a lot around here plus the hybrids. Where is the answer?? Never mind....I read the directions  |
| I picked 3,10,17, or 24. I'll go back & check now. |
| None of the above. I guess I'm a loser. |
I was right  I have played before  |
| I grew up in a home with bulls, and have always adored them. There is no other breed Ive met with quite the same funny, giddy enthusiasm and sense of humor. Sadly, the irresponsible overbreeding of pitbulls and other bully breeds in my area has made me wary of them in recent years  . Ive run across a lot of very dog-aggressive bulls on walks or at the dogpark, and its enough to make me think twice before approaching one. This is so very sad, because many other people have had the same experiences, and our pound is full to bursting with bully breed dogs who will never get adopted as a result. The last time I was at our local shelter, it was almost entirely full of bulls and huskies...and the even more unfortunate husky/pitbull crosses. The situation is made even worse by the fact that many landlords (and many military bases) wont allow bulls, so people get them, get caught (or move) and then the poor dog is homeless and unadoptable . Our Craigslist pets section has dozens of bulls on any given day looking for homes. Ive also noticed a recent flood of Rottweilers, American bulldogs and Cane Corsos...and the inevitable mixes  .Im not sure if its this bad in other communities. (Where I live there is a really unfortunate culture of "I want the biggest, baddest dog around" ) If so, what must it be like to be a reputable breeder of APBTs or other bully breeds??? I would be terrified of where my puppies might wind up, regardless of whatever contracts are signed or agreements made. |
| We have that mentality up here where I live too, see quite a few pit bulls for adoption, as well as huskies. I have seen some wonderful one, Rachel Ray has hers but I am fearful just because you don't know what start in life that poor animal might have had. |
| My godson is a 2 legged pitbull... https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Fifty ... 8705276701 I do a lot of pitbull type dog advocacy work, including rescue, and have fostered a few. I always laugh because the pits I've had in my home have been *too* affectionate for me, and that's why I don't really have them on my adoption radar. We have had a few lazy and independent guys come through that have been tempting though! |
 Mine is the biggest love bug there is, a very misunderstood breed. |
They are banned in Ontario, where I live. If you own one that is older than the law that bans them, you have to have them muzzled. All because some guys think they can show they are tough by taking a nice puppy and train it to be aggressive. Which, of course, means that every pitbull or related dog must be aggressive, right?  How I wish they could ban the dumb$#$% people who take a perfectly lovely dog and ruin it. Makes me so mad. Imagine if, one day, the same dumb$%^@$ guys decided they would look tougher with an aggressive sheepie! The people who really care about pitbulls must be so infuriated that this has happened. |
| The Ontario laws are pretty draconian, as written. Especially because it defines Pit Bull NOT just an actual American Pit Bull Terrier, but ANY dog that LOOKS like a "Pit Bull", So ALL the dogs on that site could fall under this law. I copied and pasted from the law: “pit bull” includes, (a) a pit bull terrier, (b) a Staffordshire bull terrier, (c) an American Staffordshire terrier, (d) an American pit bull terrier, (e) a dog that has an appearance and physical characteristics that are substantially similar to those of dogs referred to in any of clauses (a) to (d); (“pit-bull”) The only good thing about this law, is that it is hardly enforced. Though it did prevent Caesar Milan from bringing his Pit Bull on his tour. |
| Missed the right one. Thought 24 as it looked like could be an AMSTAF, often thought to be one of the original starting points. The BSL's are insane. In most cases we need to have OSL's(Owner specific laws) |
Dudster wrote: Mine is the biggest love bug there is, a very misunderstood breed. What a love! Many shelters just euthanize pits when they are brought in; no questions asked. So many looking for homes on CL, so sad. I've seen quite a few huskies too, why? Out neighbor has a husky, I love to hear it howl. So pretty! |
Baba wrote: The Ontario laws are pretty draconian, as written. Especially because it defines Pit Bull NOT just an actual American Pit Bull Terrier, but ANY dog that LOOKS like a "Pit Bull", So ALL the dogs on that site could fall under this law. I copied and pasted from the law: “pit bull” includes, (a) a pit bull terrier, (b) a Staffordshire bull terrier, (c) an American Staffordshire terrier, (d) an American pit bull terrier, (e) a dog that has an appearance and physical characteristics that are substantially similar to those of dogs referred to in any of clauses (a) to (d); (“pit-bull”) The only good thing about this law, is that it is hardly enforced. Though it did prevent Caesar Milan from bringing his Pit Bull on his tour. To me, a law like this in the United States, is completely unconstitutional. There have been a few laws of "mixed" breeds being outlaws that have actually been struck down by the court. We have also started using the phrase "pitbull type dogs" in the rescue world because are very rarely seeing a-d, but mostly e's! It seems that pitbulls has become a fabrication that includes any stocky, muscular, blocky headed dog (which is what that test essentially tells us). |
| IANAL, but I don't see how, given the status of animals as property, that any law restricting ownership of a certain type of property could be federally unconstitutional?? All sorts of property is restricted from private ownership in this country, for various and sundry public policy reasons, isn't it? What am I missing? |
| I think it would be difficult to enforce such laws. My only 'problem' with pitbulls and their owners is that some have been deliberately bred to be aggressive --and that is dangerous, especially in the hands of someone who wants an aggressive dog. Yes, I am aware that many aggressive pits can be rehabilitated but not all can be and certainly too many are deliberately bred and kept in such a way to maximize their aggressive instincts. What I would like to see is that all breeders be licensed and regulated and of course educated to at a bare minimum know which health checks to perform and what to look for in terms of temperment. Of course, this is also something that would be uninforceable. |
jcc9797 wrote: I've seen quite a few huskies too, why? Out neighbor has a husky, I love to hear it howl. So pretty! In my experience, at least, huskies often wind up abandoned because people get them without realizing how VERY active and potentially destructive (from boredom) the breed(s) can be. They need tons of exercise, and really want to do the job they were bred for, or at least something similarly physical. Also, we see way more bites and mauling deaths from huskies up here than from pitbulls, particularly in the villages. These are not "purebred" huskies though,(like Siberians, or any other specific breed) but rather a wild hodgpodge including wolf, shepard breeds and even greyhound. The laws against intentional wolf hybrids go largely ignored here too, and periodically become a source of controversy. |
Ron wrote: IANAL, but I don't see how, given the status of animals as property, that any law restricting ownership of a certain type of property could be federally unconstitutional?? All sorts of property is restricted from private ownership in this country, for various and sundry public policy reasons, isn't it? What am I missing? In regards to laws that target "pitbulls" or "pitbull mixes" the argument, that I agree with, is that the law is unconstitutionally vague. To pass constitutional muster a law must be specific enough to inform anyone subject to it what would actually constitute a violation. In this case most of the laws just simply say a "pitbull mix" or a dog that looks like a "pitbull". Who knows what that means! It could mean whatever the animal control officer is thinking that day. |
| ^^^That makes perfect sense Heather. ravenmoonart wrote: jcc9797 wrote: I've seen quite a few huskies too, why? Out neighbor has a husky, I love to hear it howl. So pretty! In my experience, at least, huskies often wind up abandoned because people get them without realizing how VERY active and potentially destructive (from boredom) the breed(s) can be. They need tons of exercise, and really want to do the job they were bred for, or at least something similarly physical. Also, we see way more bites and mauling deaths from huskies up here than from pitbulls, particularly in the villages. These are not "purebred" huskies though,(like Siberians, or any other specific breed) but rather a wild hodgpodge including wolf, shepard breeds and even greyhound. The laws against intentional wolf hybrids go largely ignored here too, and periodically become a source of controversy. How sad. So again, it is not the dogs fault, but poor breeding and ownership. |
| Ahhh, that makes sense Heather. I guess "enemy combatant" is even less precise, but that hasn't been struck down. Yet. At least Lincoln was honest about it. </rant> |
| not to sure if i should tell my story i was the one that helped pass the law in south fla for more home owners insurence.. about 6am i was walk my sheepdog in the neighborhood on a sunday giggs was her name she was my 8 year old love of my sheepies life .. well this stupid neighbor opened up his garage and out came 2 pits i knew we were in trouble giggs saved my life she stood in front of me instead of them jumping me they got her.. needless to tell you the gory details but the only way the cops could stop them was to shoot yes the pits did kill my loving sheepdog in front of me to this day she saved my life.. do i blame the pit bulls no way the owner saw what was happening he shut the garage and hid!! told the police they were his sons dogs and just left them 24/7 locked in a garage.. to me it could have been any pack that would have done that but when they locked thier jaws i knew there was no hope.. boy been a long time since i told that story in made front page news ..took along time to get over her loss..miss giggs you are never forgotten |
| That's so awful and sad Suz! Im so sorry...your Giggs was a heroic dog! What I don't understand about the various laws and rules put in regarding "dangerous dogs", is why they focus on breed and not temperament. If it were me, Id have a rule requiring temperament testing (like a dog must pass to do therapy work/hospital visits etc) before they can be moved into a building I managed...rather than a no pitbull rule like many landlords have. My feeling has always been, if a dog has been oked to work with ill and elderly people in a setting like a hospital or hospice, then they should be able to go anywhere at all...just give them a special license and an easily seen vest like a service dog. I know many pitbulls that could pass (or have passed) with flying colors, and many, many small harmless looking dogs that would not. On a side note, 2 days ago a woman in my neighborhood was mauled bad enough to be hospitalized by a large indeterminate breed dog (large, brown, hairy...maybe a GSD mix?) on the road just behind our house. Ive walked my dogs past this dog's home (where he's always been fenced in, barking crazily) daily for years. I'm horrified to think what if it had been Abby, Bert and me?? Would he have hurt or killed one of my dogs? |
ravenmoonart wrote: rather than a no pitbull rule like many landlords have. Often that is a condition from the liability or homeowner's insurance company, and not a decision made by the landlord. Our insurance company has exclusions for incidents by bully breeds. Not at all saying that's right...just explaining the fault doesn't lie with the landlords in every situation. |
rdf wrote: ravenmoonart wrote: rather than a no pitbull rule like many landlords have. Often that is a condition from the liability or homeowner's insurance company, and not a decision made by the landlord. Our insurance company has exclusions for incidents by bully breeds. Not at all saying that's right...just explaining the fault doesn't lie with the landlords in every situation. True! I hadn't thought that through. Although I suppose it could be taken into account (if you cared very much) when choosing an insurance co. Its just such a sad cycle: around here, the most readily available "free" or cheap dogs are bull mixes...and the folks who get them are young, and/or low income...then their rent goes up and they have to move into lower cost housing which usually has the no pitbull rule...so the dog goes to the shelter. I always want to shake the kids (twentysomethings) I know who get bully mix puppies when their housing situation is still very changeable. Sigh. |
| I agree that is people that are totally at fault in these cases and I know that's why I have a fear whenever I see one, not fair to the dog I know. Remember taking Pache, our first oes, camping and walking past a tent camper on one site, they had some type of bully dog and a logging chain on him attached to the camper. He saw Pache and he moved that trailer a good distance, could have been another case of what Suzptcruise went thru. I cannot imagine how you'd get over loosing such a brave dog especially while the father, if you want to call him that, locked himself behind the door. Two more dogs mistreated and suffering the consequences. One dead because of another's ignorance. |
| I am so sorry Suzi. What a horrible and sad story. How brave of your Giggs to give his life to save yours! ICH wrote: Two more dogs mistreated and suffering the consequences. One dead because of another's ignorance. My thoughts exactly. So sad that the people who have this breed, along with so many other bully breeds, don't properly treat and care for them. |
jcc9797 wrote: I am so sorry Suzi. What a horrible and sad story. How brave of your Giggs to give his life to save yours! ICH wrote: Two more dogs mistreated and suffering the consequences. One dead because of another's ignorance. My thoughts exactly. So sad that the people who have this breed, along with so many other bully breeds, don't properly treat and care for them. Even worse, treating and caring for the dogs isn't even on the radar for many people who get them. They get them to fight them with the hopes of making money. There's no attachment to the dog or compassion for what they're putting them through. There's a certain way that I take home from work that goes through a particularly rough section of Detroit where I regularly see dogs attached to tires and walked for endurance. I've never seen a bully bred in that area that wasn't on a chain as thick as my arm, either. It's sickening. (And for those wondering, why haven't you reported them? I absolutely have but all work stops at 5 p.m. for the Humane Society in terms of emergency situations. I don't blame them-- they have a team of only 13 officers for the entire city of Detroit, which may have less people but is still the same size with lots of places for stray animals to live. They're stretched thin. Animal control is a joke and you're lucky if the cops show up within an hour or so for human situations let alone animals. The whole situation sucks.) |
| That's an absolutely horrific thing to happen to you Suzi, so sorry. |
| via Jill: There's a certain way that I take home from work that goes through a particularly rough section of Detroit where I regularly see dogs attached to tires and walked for endurance. Umm, they MAY be conditioning for weight pull.  Michigan has a HUGE weight pull population. And most of them are bully breeds. BUT, that would only be true of a decent person if they were pulling the tire from a harness (not their collar).I walk Chewie and Biscuit down the road with their tires.... and we are NOT conditioning for fighting!  It's one of the easiest and simplest ways to work on conditioning. Some tire exercises are lighter weights with distance (we go 1-2 miles) or short pulls (15 to 20 feet) with heavy weight. It's the same type of thing us humans do - a mix of weight and aerobic workouts. Also we do lots of full extension running (with no weight), so all the muscles get evenly worked out. |
| Speaking of pitbulls: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1999090/ |
| Hopefully, the dog was not retuned to the moranic owner. |
Baba wrote: I just have one question...was it the dog or the guy peeing in the homeowner's yard?? |
got sheep wrote: via Jill: There's a certain way that I take home from work that goes through a particularly rough section of Detroit where I regularly see dogs attached to tires and walked for endurance. Umm, they MAY be conditioning for weight pull. Michigan has a HUGE weight pull population. And most of them are bully breeds. BUT, that would only be true of a decent person if they were pulling the tire from a harness (not their collar).No one in this neighborhood is participating in any legal events. I'd bet everything I had on that. |
| yes dawn, was a nice positive thought, but jill's right sadly. i took a short-nose boxer to the vet for someone that couldn't afford it about a year ago. i was fairly sure the dog had mange which she did, but the interesting part was the vets insisted she was a pitbull. the very 1st dogs i was around as a child were my aunts two boxers, in fact i ran my matchbox cars over them as they lay by me. regardless, friendliest , most lovable pup. |
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