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This is very funny~~~~  When my son was a teen, his room was on the second floor of our house. When I had to call him down to eat, get up, do chores,..etc...I would stand at the bottom of the steps and yell.................NICK~~~~~...as soon as Pearl heard me..she would run right next to me, sit down and HOWL~~~~ the saddest howl I have ever heard..((but the cutest))... So, I guess, some sheepies just like to howl when they hear their brothers names, or their voices....  |
| Our first oes, Pache, howled along with my granddaughters attempts at playing the clarinet or kazoo and also if he heard a baby cry on t.v. We went camping once and a little guy was crying and Pache joined in, we all laughed over that one. |
| Your Riley probably thinks that she is bonding with your little one but joining in on a pack howl, so asking her to be quiet is confusing for her. I have heard of people who have used clicker training to good effect in these sorts of situations. The process is too long to go into here, and you might do better to have a trainer teach you if you don't know about clicker training, but essentially once you have taught your dog how the clicker works then you teach them a "quiet" command. I don't believe it takes an experienced trainer very long to teach it but every dog and every trainer are different. It would depend on how ingrained the behavior is, and how much is instinct kicking in, as to how quickly and how successfully it would work. I guess in a way its like asking how do I stop my 9 month old from yelling.  Possibly the answer is "you can't". Sometimes calmly removing the dog to another room and closing the door until they are quiet will work. No reprimand, no telling or yelling "quiet". By removing them from their pack until they are quiet they can get the message that howling is not acceptable pack behavior. The answer is definitely not "yelling" at the dog. That just makes them think they are doing the right thing, the baby yells, the dog yells and you yell .............. the pack are all on the same page and to a dog that is a VERY good thing. Good luck with your efforts  I would love to hear how you get on. |
adamandamy wrote: I am assuming that the noise must really just hurt her ears, but we have run out of ideas on how to try to stop her from howling. Does anyone have any advice???? I suppose trading the 9 mos in for a quieter model is out of the question?    Though the pack howling theory is an excellent one, if the baby sounds like he's in distress it could also be that the four legged nanny is telling you TO DO SOMETHING! How can you let this go on? FIX IT!!!!!! Sort of like this: Baby: my diaper is wet, I hate that - whahwhahwhah Dog: What is wrong with you people? Can't you tell his diaper is wet? It's clearly causing him severe anguish. He's in PAIN I tell you!!!! Woowooowoooo Come to think of it, I tend to react that way around babies too It will probably extinguish itself naturally as the baby becomes less of a screamer (one can but hope) But if you have the foresight to carry a clicker and some cookies around with you, you probably could click for some alternate and less noisy response. Say sitting nicely and stay out of the way - you know she doubts your parenting skills, but you've got it handled, no, really  I hate barking but I find howling quite charming. Then again, probably because MOST OES do it so rarely Here's hoping you can return to that peaceful kind of stage too.Kristine |
| hi, i included the whole list, but of course there are several that might help along with clicker training. http://www.dogwise.com is an excellent online resource to find a lot of these books... BEFORE & AFTER GETTING YOUR PUPPY by Ian Dunbar MINE! - A GUIDE TO RESOURCE GUARDING IN DOGS by Jean Donaldson CAUTIOUS CANINE - HOW TO HELP DOGS CONQUER THEIR FEARS by Patricia McConnell CLICK TO CALM - HEALING THE AGGRESSIVE DOG by Emma Parsons THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO POSITIVE DOG TRAINING by Pamela S. Dennison LIVING WITH KIDS AND DOGS...WITHOUT LOSING YOUR MIND by Colleen Pelar CLICKING WITH YOUR DOG - STEP-BY-STEP IN PICTURES by Peggy Tillman CALMING SIGNALS BOOK/DVD SET by Turid Rugaas ON TALKING TERMS WITH DOGS: CALMING SIGNALS by Turid Rugaas THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH Why We Do What We Do Around Dogs by Patricia McConnell SCAREDY DOG! Understanding and Rehabilitating Your Reactive Dog by Ali Brown FOR THE LOVE OF A DOG by Patricia McConnell BONES WOULD RAIN FROM THE SKY by Suzanne Clothier PLEASURABLE KINGDOM by Jonathan Balcombe CHILL OUT FIDO! - HOW TO CALM YOUR DOG Nan Arthur REACHING THE ANIMAL MIND - CLICKER TRAINING AND WHAT IT TEACHES US ABOUT ALL ANIMALS Karen Pryor BARKING - THE SOUND OF A LANGUAGE Turid Rugaas CONTROL UNLEASHED - CREATING A FOCUSED AND CONFIDENT DOG Leslie McDevitt HOW TO RIGHT A DOG GONE WRONG Pamela Dennison FEELING OUTNUMBERED? - HOW TO MANAGE & ENJOY A MULTI-DOG HOUSEHOLD, 2nd edition by Patricia McConnell HOW MANY DOGS - USING POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT TRAINING TO MANAGE A MULTIPLE DOG HOUSEHOLD by Debby McMullen CONTROL ULEASHED by Leslie McDevitt |
| This will fix it: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=32489 (Just kidding btw) |
| Oh, I agree that the dog is tuning in that the baby is in distress and trying to tell you. Which I think is pretty impressive I think what you need to do is when this happens, praise the dog and tell him what a good boy/girl he is for alerting you...and then tend to the baby and tell your dog to quiet...You want to praise him for alerting you. that is a wonderful and probably helpful trait. But once he alerts you, he needs to be praised ( thank you for telling me - cookie_) but then needs to know its okay and you are taking care of it (ie, baby crying) Hope I make sense! My own dogs will go crazy when my elderly father - who lives with us_- starts to sneeze! He will sneeze a million times in a row and he will cough and actually sound like he is in distress -within the first fewsneezes they run around barking and running to us like they are saying, Hey Gramps is having a problem and go find out why! |
Mad Dog wrote: adamandamy wrote: I am assuming that the noise must really just hurt her ears, but we have run out of ideas on how to try to stop her from howling. Does anyone have any advice???? I suppose trading the 9 mos in for a quieter model is out of the question? Kristine ^^^^ Screaming kids and babies do annoy any dog, remember they have better hearing then us. My kids were raised with OES from babies, anytime they cried, screamed, fought etc the dogs reacted, OES do have a strong sense of family so when the 9 month old calms down so it shall be the nanny OES too. |
Mad Dog wrote: I suppose trading the 9 mos in for a quieter model is out of the question? I love this forum! |
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