Sudden Rage Syndrome in dogs
"In the last 2 weeks, I have received 3 calls for Sudden Rage Syndrome in dogs. This is very strange as its not common. This among many diseases is caused by vaccinations, known as vaccinosis. Do you actually know what is in a vaccine? Let me tell you that they consist of chemicals, toxins and heavy metals. Here are the ingredients so you can make an informed decision. Formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, antifreeze, phenol, MSG, ammonium sulfate, gentamicin sulfate, polysorbate, sorbitol, polyribosylribitol, beta-propiolactone, hydrolyzed gelatin, animal tissues and blood, animal viruses. Pretty scary, huh? This is what is causing auto-immune diseases, cancer, epilepsy and everything on down the line." Can somebody clearifide this for me? Thank you |
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Quote: "In the last 2 weeks, I have received 3 calls for Sudden Rage Syndrome in dogs. This is very strange as its not common. This among many diseases is caused by vaccinations, known as vaccinosis. Do you actually know what is in a vaccine? Let me tell you that they consist of chemicals, toxins and heavy metals. Here are the ingredients so you can make an informed decision. Formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, antifreeze, phenol, MSG, ammonium sulfate, gentamicin sulfate, polysorbate, sorbitol, polyribosylribitol, beta-propiolactone, hydrolyzed gelatin, animal tissues and blood, animal viruses. Pretty scary, huh? This is what is causing auto-immune diseases, cancer, epilepsy and everything on down the line." I would ask for specifics... the manufacturer name, the name of the vaccine and which of these ingredients are in there. Just my opinion but some people can be too far to the left or right on the issue of vaccinations. We want our pets to be protected from disease and to keep these diseases from again being wide spread but we don't want to over vaccinate and ruin their immune systems. Titering is one possible way to avoid over vaccination. |
| Excellent response Jaci. One very important thing is to have a vet that you can talk to about this & they actually listen. My vet actually suggested no more vaccinating before I did. And he will mention new vaccines that are out there that he's read up on but in his opinion he doesn't think they've done enough testing on them to make sure they truly are worth giving to the dogs (the dog flu vaccine was one of these). I hadn't even really heard about it at the time. Right now we do not vaccinate my 2 olders one other than Bortadella & Rabies (by law). He actually threw around not giving my oldest one (12-1/2 at the time) the Bortadella at the time but he decided to do so since my other 2 still go to classes & trials & shows & I have dogs in show homes that come in for grooming. |
I wonder sometimes if all this Sudden Rage Syndrome is actually dogs that need training or weren't properly socialized or showed agressive issues early on and no training was done  I know the disease exists. I think in the Spaniels? Just seems strange that people have been vaccinating their dogs for years and years, and suddenly this vaccine debate.Don't get me wrong. I fortunately have a vet that only vaccinates for the core diseases and only for Lepto if your area is a high risk. We've had several cases of dogs dying from Lepto in my area. Neither of my dogs gets the Lyme, Flu, Bordella, etc. I guess the dog vaccination debate is similiar to the children's vacinnation debate. Everyone has to make their own informed decision they are comfortable with. |
| Rage has never been tied to vaccines. It's actually a fairly rare syndrome - if indeed it is its own syndrome and not dominance gone amuck. I think the jury may still be out on that one. Though springers and cockers typically come to mind, it can probably happen in any breed and at least one OES was given that "diagnosis". Shortly before he was put down. Some people simply feel very strongly that vaccines are the core of all evil and the things I've heard blamed on vaccines sometimes are quite incredible. Like rage. I mean, I do believe overvaccinating is a definite problem and minimize what vaccines my dogs get. But some of the anti-vaccination hype is just that. Marilyn - FWIW Belle hasn't been vaccinated for Bordatella for years and years and she has twice been exposed to it since - as in I had younger dogs who came down with kennel cough - and not even a sniffle. Amy told me the first time around that because of her constantly being out there (showing, then training and trialing) she probably had a natural immunity (the same was true of Marnie's then 12 year old retired show dog who had never been vaccinated in his case) and would not catch it even if directly exposed, and she was right on both counts. A few years later, repeat. She and Mad - who had had it the first time but whom I never vaccinated for bordatella - were apparently both immune. It's the weirdest darn thing, because we both know the vaccine itself is not a sure fire thing. Vet now simply waits till a KC dog comes into her clinic and exposes any younger dog of hers who hasn't had it yet. The last time she did that she asked me if I had anyone who hadn't had it yet young, but I didn't at the time. On the flip side I did vaccinate my rescue dog before I left for the national last year because I don't know her history as well, so figured better safe than sorry. Just add that to more stuff we probably don't completely understand about vaccines vrs natural immunity Then again, KC is generally not a problem in a young, healthy dog, whereas some things.....  Kristine |
| I'd be cautious about what people say about the dangers of vaccines. If you read a scientific journal or report, not an opinion piece, you'll often find out that the chemicals in vaccines are not exactly what the people who freak out say they are, and that the risks of not vaccinating far outweigh the risks of doing it. Yet, despite that study after study after study shows that there is absolutely no link between vaccines and autism, for example, you cannot convince true believers. They often say things like, "Chemical X is just one proton and electron away from being...and then they insert some horrible chemical name." Well, if you check out the periodic table, oxygen is just one away from fluorine. That's not going to dissuade me from breathing oxygen anymore. It is irrelevant what it is next to on the periodic table. If these rages were linked to vaccines, I think it might be far more likely some sort of allergic reaction to a particular batch, and even that is very unlikely...has anyone studied that scientifically and/or looked for a connection I wonder? I agree with the poster about everyone needing to make an informed decision. The problem with that is, unfortunately, the scientific community shares information based on facts and science and studies, and frankly, their reports are boring. The "true believers" spout opinions and facts that they either make up outright or think are logical but aren't, and that's the other side that people tend to give equal weight to. Unless people understand what is fact and science and what is opinion dressed up as facts and science, they cannot make an informed decision. But that's a soapbox for another day. When it comes to my dogs, I trust our vet and ask lots of questions. My vet gives me science based answers, and I appreciate it. The quote from the original post...Formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, antifreeze, phenol, MSG, ammonium sulfate, gentamicin sulfate, polysorbate, sorbitol, polyribosylribitol, beta-propiolactone, hydrolyzed gelatin, animal tissues and blood, animal viruses. Pretty scary, huh? This is what is causing auto-immune diseases, cancer, epilepsy and everything on down the line....is fear mongering and highly inaccurate. This person knows what causes CANCER? EPILEPSY? Wow. Why wouldn't all those scientists and medical researchers have noticed such a thing? Why isn't this person enlightening them and saving us all? Talk to your vet. This is a perfect example of someone writing down some big sciencified words (yep, I just made up sciencified) to try to make their OPINION/fear sound real. Oh, and I just remembered and article I read about vaccines and autism...I think it was about twenty years ago (give or take) that the "dangerous chemical" everyone said caused autism was removed from childhood vaccines (not because of autism, but because they found a better way to make vaccines). The incidence of autism remained completely unaffected by this change. That didn't get much press...because it wasn't scary and emotionally based. And people still blame this particular chemical even though it hasn't been used for decades. Okay, enough soapboxing for me for now. My dryer just went ding. My laundry needs me. |
Mad Dog wrote: Marilyn - FWIW Belle hasn't been vaccinated for Bordatella for years and years and she has twice been exposed to it since - as in I had younger dogs who came down with kennel cough - and not even a sniffle. Amy told me the first time around that because of her constantly being out there (showing, then training and trialing) she probably had a natural immunity (the same was true of Marnie's then 12 year old retired show dog who had never been vaccinated in his case) and would not catch it even if directly exposed, and she was right on both counts. Kristine I know someone else who had that experience too. The young vaccinated dogs got KC but the not recently vaccinated and titled older dog who only got a little bit of a sniffle and was fine. Mad Dog wrote: Just add that to more stuff we probably don't completely understand about vaccines vrs natural immunity Then again, KC is generally not a problem in a young, healthy dog, whereas some things..... Immunologists know that human's develop much better immunity when exposed to the actual virus rather than the attenuated virus. Problem is we also get sick when exposed to the actual virus.  |
| Iknow of a breeder in the Denver area that had a problem wiwth Rage Syndrome in her breeding line. It is most distinctible. I don't think vaccinations have anything to do with this. Neither do.did the vet at the time. She was bathing the dog and it had this glazed look in its eyes and just attacked her. She needed multiple stitches. The other person was lying quietly on the floor with the dog , laid her hand on him (he was a wake) and he went after her. She required multiple stitches in the face as well as arms. Both times the dogs were put down. This from the advice of the vet. |
| I agree with Kristine and Tracie. It's easy for someone to write something anecdotal, and draw erroneous conclusions, without the scientific data to back it up. We have to be careful not to accept everyone's opinion as equal, when the facts and studies do not support all postions as being valid. I personally try to balance out a healthy skepticism ("follow the money") with the current supporting science. With Oscar's Immune Mediated Disease, my vets (holistic and regular) and I have looked closely at Oscar's vaccination schedule. It is less expensive to vaccinate automatically, rather than titer test, especially if he is found to require the vaccine anyway. However, for Oscar, we all feel that if his titer levels are appropriate, we are better off not stimulating his immune system with a booster vaccine, so we titer test. We look at the science, and weigh the options. (Oscar does gets rabies vaccines every three years, without a titer test, as my vets cannot find any studies showing what titer level is appropriate to allow non-vaccination. There are rabid bats found in our county every year, so I am not willing to take the chance of Oscar contracting rabies.) Sounds like whoever wrote the original e-mail is trying to link vaccines to this syndrome, without any scientific proof. Laurie and Oscar |
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