Dewclaws

I was wondering how many Sheepies out there have dewclaws. Pepsi's were never removed. Maybe there are certain breeders I guess not too many, that don't have them removed. Maybe I can find out where Pepsi came from, Though I highly doubt it.. Still thought it would be an interesting question to ask.
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Bogart still has his, we looked into getting them removed as
a puppy. The vet said to keep them as they were like
appendages at 8 weeks. The time to remove them was
soon after birth,when they are like fingernails according to
the vet.

So far, no problems with them.
I thought it was breed standard to have the dewclaws removed. Every breeder I have looked up says the dewclaws are removed. How come so many OES still have dewclaws?
I always thought they were removed at the time the tail was docked. Zach, Ali do you guys know?
They should be done at the same time the tails are done, and every reputable breeder I know has this done. Chances are, those that do not have them done are not from reputable breeders, and never saw a vet as a pup. The tails, and shots if any, would have been done at home.
Our pup is from a reputable breeder, and saw the breeders
vet as a pup.
Sorry, don't mean to offend, that is just what I have always thought and have always been told.... to each his or her own.... :)
Oh, no offence taken !
It was an oversight due to special circumstances.
As we are not showing him, as long as he is not having
problems, we will not do the surgery.

I'm sure you are correct about them being removed at
the same time as the tail.
Remy still has her's...she came to me with them hanging and they need to be removed. They are a cause of pain...esp if they nicked while grooming. It's hard to find them sometimes. It is alot more money to do them now, and she has to be out...if the hips didn;t cost so much to do, I would have had them done then...couldn't afford both at the time.

The puppies had theirs done, only the rear ones tho, the vet said the front didn't need to be removed since all were very well attached. I still think I should have them taken off, but I trusted her. We did not do the tails. But they would have been done on the same day.

Our little guy had huge double dew claws on his back legs (3 stitches), and I had a few with no rear dew claws.
I don't think they are supposed to have rear dew claws at all? :? They are supposed to be born with front dew claws, which in my opinion should be removed for safety sake, especially with the long hair, since as Daisie mentioned, getting one of those caught in a comb or brush would be very painful if not dangerous because if it bleeds, it bleeds a lot since as they get older it develops it's own blood supply (non existent at birth).
Also, from what I have learned, Great Pyr's are a breed that have multiple dew claws, and rear dew claws, so perhaps Remy has Pyr in her somewhere.
"Most" OES are not born with rear dew claws.

I found some interesting info on feet.... here is an excerpt of an article which can be found here : http://www.canismajor.com/dog/feet.html#Paws

Although all dog paws are basically the same, some are shaped slightly differently than others. Many breed standards specify "cat feet," which are the result of short third digital bones. These compact feet require less energy to lift, allowing the dog to conserve energy and increase his endurance in the field. Akita, Doberman Pinscher, Giant Schnauzer, Kuvasz, Newfoundland, Airedale Terrier, Bull Terrier, Keeshond, Finnish Spitz, and Old English Sheepdog are among the breeds with catlike, compact feet.
No Remy is Pure, she doesn't have anything about to suggest otherwise...plus the breeders, and the grandparent breeders don't have any other dogs on the farm, both were OES.

One female had small rear dews, and one male (our male had double).

The other 4 didn't have any. I wish I would have stuck to my guns and had the vet remove the front...I let her talk me out of it.
Daisie,
Does Remy have rear dewclaws?
I have never even heard of a dog with rear dewclaws.
Stacey are the specific to certain breeds?

Elissa
Yes, most dogs dont have them, but some breeds are known for them to come up as a deformity, or in the case of Great Pyrs and Briards, they are supposed to have double dewclaws. A few breeds are supposed to have one. OES is not one of them.
Remy does have the rear dew claws, I am certain we had dew claws on the boxer as well.

Anyways, if there is something else in the line it must come from way back, because I know the parents, and the grandparents...all are OES. I don't think my dog is deformed at all.
Boxers aren't supposed to have rear dew claws either, and the front are usually removed.
I got my Boxer when she was pregnant. She had a litter of 6 and none had rear dewclaws. They all had front which I had removed along with their tails.

Thanks Stacey for teaching me something new :D
Dew Claw info from other sites:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/corine.lundqvist/polydogs.html
http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0019.htm

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From Boxer World Forum:
Debbie Magon12-28-2002, 08:27 PM
Boxers can and do have hind dew claws.
I have at least one in almost every litter.
They can and do regrow, especially if the person removing them is inexperienced.

Dewclaws are deep seated root wise and if a small margine only is removed the roots can regrow.
Not too many people see a 3 day old pup after dewclaw removal but trust me, its not a pretty sight!
A substantial margine of tissue is removed and looks quite excessive when their legs are still so tiny.
But as the boxer grows the scar is all but insignificant.
If this root system is not completely removed dewclaws can and do resurface.

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Now I have to apologize after reading what a double dew claw is, I don't think Tag had that...he just had a large dew claw, with one nail. I guess it looked liked a double, needing an extra stitch...I'm a little confused. Anyways, I also looked at some old pictures of Jackson, he didn't have rear, he had front...and from what I can see they were removed. My mistake :oops:

I still wanted to find extra info about who can get rear dew claws and who doesn't...obviously some dogs as pure as they are do get them.
Yes, it does happen even in breeds who are not supposed to have them (which is about 95% or more of breeds) but children are also occasionally born with an extra finger, you love them anyway, but you wouldn't call it normal.
Daisie,
I asked whether Remy had it to figure out where the puppies got it from.
I guess it is possible to show up in any breed.
Thanks for the info :D
Again Tag is BEAUTIFUL!!!
Elissa
Thanks Pepsi,

I guess Tag did get it from Remy, since the poodle didn't have rear. I just took a close look at his picture and I see no bumps on his leg/feet area.

I was suprised that the vet said not to do the front, at the time I was so flustered taking in the 2 kids ...who become brats at the vets office, and trying to take care of the puppies too. Answering questions etc, and I had Remy too for a post check-up. So I wasn't thinking of future grooming needs, I was only thinking of the extra pain they don't need. She took them and checked them all one by one, Tag came back with 3 stitches and she said he had huge dew claws.

The others didn't have them, and the one female was insignificant...1 stitch.

Stacey you're right I love her anyways. At her spay I'll have them removed from the back. Her front is attached well.
Daisie,
You got me laughing... I know exactly what you are talking about having the kids there. It seems everytime I take my son to his Dr I can never even hear the Dr... All I hear is "Mommy, can we go to Toys R Us?" or McDonalds. I usually end up calling the Dr and asking the same questions again..lol I can't even imagine the kids and dogs together.
You are a brave woman!

Elissa
:lol:
I don't know what it is about that place, but it's a nightmare to go in. I can never get an appt with time to myself. I always have both kids with me, and I've threatened, bribed, ignored, pleaded...it's a boring place for them...and they react every single time we go there.

And at 6 weeks, I couldn't even begin to describe the horror of that visit.
Callie has one dew claw on her right front leg. I'm not sure whether she was born with only one or whether the vet just missed that one when he removed the other one and docked her tail.

When she was about a year old, we were at the park and - I'm not sure how she did it - she somehow ripped out her dewclaw. There was a lot of blood. We put styptic on it and wrapped it up and in a week or so it was healed. Now, almost a year later, the whole claw is back. I clip it with along with the other ones (it's much easier, though, since there is no live tissue in there).

The vet said she could remove it if we wanted, but it didn't matter either way. So I guess we'll just leave it for now.
I remove all dewclaws at the same time as I band the tails.

Having had Old English litters for almost 20 years now, I have to say that it is common in my experience that some pups have rear dewclaws (which of course I remove) Having helped fellow breeders with their litters I have seen rear dewclaws on them as well. There are always a few out of every litter of mine that have both front and rear dewclaws.

My boy I just imported from Brazil to my surprise still had his front dewclaws. Personally I do not like it but there is just too much involved to have them removed at his age.
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