bitch in season in public place
cappi is now 14mths and intact, i hope to keep this way. however, this morning for the first time he ran after this other dog, i brought him back. a while later he ran off again to the same dog, when i got there he was trying to mount her (the wrong end fortunately). the other owner was ok, and as i dragged him off she said "your dog is still intact!" then told me her dog was coming into season. she was off the lead in a designated dog walking area. i felt told off, but then i wondered if it was me that was in the "wrong". surely an owner of a bitch in season should be taking steps to avoid this situtation? to expect all dogs to be neutered is a bit much. i dont know now if this is cappi's first encounter or if he has just developed his senses and turned into a roamer. i may have to rethink neutering at some point. is there a dog etiquette about this? |
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| I would think that, because the owner of the dog in heat has the most to risk in letting her dog run off-leash where there are bound to be intact males, she would have the sense to take her dog elsewhere for the time being. SHE is the one who would end up with the unwanted litter. How long does 'in season' last anyway? |
| If you are not planning to breed then I suggest neutering. A month ago we when were at a leash free park Howie was attacked by 2 intact males. It was a scary situation. Luckily Mark was with me so he broke up the dog fight. Mark got bit by one of the other dogs. The owner was a young guy, clueless. That was my main reason for getting Howie neutered at 10 months instead of waiting the full year as suggested. Since he was still intact he was a magnet for other intact males  I want to walk in the park in peace. peg |
pegspup wrote: If you are not planning to breed then I suggest neutering. A month ago we when were at a leash free park Howie was attacked by 2 intact males. It was a scary situation. Luckily Mark was with me so he broke up the dog fight. Mark got bit by one of the other dogs. The owner was a young guy, clueless. That was my main reason for getting Howie neutered at 10 months instead of waiting the full year as suggested. Since he was still intact he was a magnet for other intact males I want to walk in the park in peace. peg Yikes!! So these dogs saw little Howie as a potential threat for the possible affections of a pretty dog? |
| I don't think that if a bitch is in season that it should be in a public place. This causes way too many issues with other dogs in the area. It makes the male dogs go goo goo ga ga over them and they will usually do anything it takes to get to that little lady. It actually can put a public park out of balance. I also realize that a dog still needs exercise...and perhaps, going to a park at a quieter time or even just walking further with a leash on would be better. It really is the owner's responsibility to help keep peace at a dog park. My personal belief is one that if you are not planning on breeding, then a dog should be spayed or neutered. A whole host of problems can happen when dogs are not spayed/neutered....Obviously, unwanted puppies. But, also males can have a tendancy to engage in more fighting, roam more, attempt to mount bitches more, and mark their territory more.... But, that is my personal feeling, and I support what other's decide to do with their own pets. |
| thank you, the virtual slap is stinging less now. as for the neutering, i have debated this back and forth for months, i am holding back because i have read so much about the medical/long term effects of neutering a male. my bitch will be spayed in two weeks, maybe i'll get them both done together, it will save me another week off work  |
charlysez wrote: thank you, the virtual slap is stinging less now. as for the neutering, i have debated this back and forth for months, i am holding back because i have read so much about the medical/long term effects of neutering a male. my bitch will be spayed in two weeks, maybe i'll get them both done together, it will save me another week off work The more I read and learn, the more I wouldn't neuter a dog anymore, either. There's way more risks than benefits. Here's a good link for anyone who's looking for more info on that: http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/longterm ... indogs.pdf That being said, if you have a bitch in season, you have a responsibility to not let her roam free until she's finished (although letting a dog roam free is always a poor idea). However, knowing that many people always seem to assume that other people are at fault no matter what the situation, I keep that in mind and don't let my intact dog out of my sight. I don't want to put him in a bad situation. I think people have an idea of what kind of dog an "intact" male is and they get a bad rap. It sucks because there's a lot of irresponsible owners with intact dogs and on the other end of the spectrum, there's people who have done a lot of research and put a lot of time into their choice. |
| Hm. Just returned from obedience class where I was working my two youngest intact girls who are both in season and there were intact males there, and there wasn't the slightest issue since everybody was in working mode. The owner of a young intact golden thanked me for bringing the girls so she had the opportunity to train for the distraction. That's an important part of the equation. I chuckled at poor clueless Howie. Going for the wrong end is a typical young clueless male move. The bigger issue is the owner of the bitch - no bitch owner in her right mind let's a bitch in season run around loose, mind you, no question she had no business doing so - placed a high degree of trust in her bitch not ripping some part of Howie's anatomy off as many bitches don't appreciate being molested by clueless young males. Even my easy going girls would most likely have said something. Most bitches will only stand for a dog for a rather short period of time and will "take" (get pregant) only during a pretty short window of opportunity. Unfortunately you won't know exactly when that miraculous time is unless you're doing progesterone testing or have an experienced stud dog at home letting you know about it  That said, I took mine to class with a high degree of certainty that it was a non-issue and that they are at the very tail end of their season, which seems to be the stinkiest, but is most likely beyond prego making time, yet nonetheless when most clueless young males get sucked in In other words, they were prime distraction making material. I take them to both agility and obedience class when they are (presumably) in standing season as well without issue, though, of course, I announce it to the owners of intact males so they know to keep their eyes on what's going on as well. I wouldn't penalize poor Howie for the bitch owner's lack of good sense. He was just being a dog. If you get a chance, train him around people who have bitches in season so he understands that whatever wonderful thing he's smelling is to be ignored unless you tell him differently. It's not that hard, providing you get the opportunity to practice. Healthwise, he's better off with his testicles left on. Your instincts are sound. Unfortunately that's more than can be said for the owner of the bitch you ran into, but that's neither your nor Howie's fault. Hope Howie at least got some cheap thrills out of it Kristine |
| Cappi is actually the poor boy dealing with the clueless owner of the other in heat dog...Howie did in fact just have his surgery(ies). In regard to the validity of training your intact males to ignore those females in heat - it does work. Chewie has been in shows and trials since puppyhood around females in heat, and he would love to be interested...but he knows it's just not an option. |
got sheep wrote: Cappi is actually the poor boy dealing with the clueless owner of the other in heat dog...Howie did in fact just have his surgery(ies). Ooops, sorry, Howie - didn't mean to rub it in, dude. KB |
Mad Dog wrote: got sheep wrote: Cappi is actually the poor boy dealing with the clueless owner of the other in heat dog...Howie did in fact just have his surgery(ies). Ooops, sorry, Howie - didn't mean to rub it in, dude. KB  |
| The other point worth remembering is neutering your male won't always help when it comes to finding bitches in season (or not) interesting. We desexed Rastus, rightly or wrongly, very young on the advice of our vet as he was/is quite dominant and had taken to humping all sorts of things ...... his stuffie, other dogs (always the wrong end  ), our legs, our feet, our guests feet. It was not safe to sit down and cross your legs in our house, you'd get a frisky dalmo latching on. When I went to pick Rastus up after the surgery, the vet said he had no doubts about Rastus needing neutering as the fool dog tried to hump the vet'ss leg when the vet got him out of the crate, sealed his fate really.  It certainly stopped the leg/foot humping but to this day Rastus is still a little sneak who will try to hump other dogs if he thinks he can get away with it.  |
| I totally agree, neutering/spaying is a real personal decision. I never meant to 'vitual slap' you. I was thinking of my own experience, of seeing Howie get attacked. I know I can control Howie when we are at the park but it is the other dogs I don't always trust. When Howie was attacked he was without leash healing beside me. I always keep him close when other dogs are approaching. I check them out, speak to the owner (if they are close by) and then 'release' Howie to play. An owner with a bitch in heat at the dog park should expect to draw some attention! See you folks have the experience, knowledge and train your intact males, it is the goofballs out at the park that can't afford the neuter or want a tough dog that bother me. And those goofballs give intact males a bad rap. peg |
pegspup wrote: See you folks have the experience, knowledge and train your intact males, it is the goofballs out at the park that can't afford the neuter or want a tough dog that bother me. And those goofballs give intact males a bad rap.peg Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. When I win the lottery, I am going to go buy a huge patch of land and let it be a free off-leash dog park. But I will be screening the owners! I understand that sometimes a dog has a behaviour issue and at our dog park we all try and help one another, but there is always that one person who won't take any advice and who has the rudest most ill-behaved dog. I always feel sad for those dogs. |
| Brick humps a lot. And he was fixed at 6 months. Girls dogs, boy dogs, front, side, back; my leg. Doesn't matter to him. My vet says it's not sexual but a dominance thing. Seems like he does it to me when he wants my attention or to stop me from leaving the house. |
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