HELP!!!!! What's a heat and how does it last?????acccckkkk!
Totally clueless...I SPAY my dogs!!!!!! HOW long???.......Does behavior change????......Do they get cramps???? Cravings???? (outside of the obvious~~~~)  Do they need extra vitamins????...a Heating pad???? WHAT???????????????????????????????????????? HELP~~~~please~~~ I don't know nothun about this stuff!!!!!! Guess we have to delay the spaying.......  |
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Oh Val, I love you!!  Actually, I was kinda thinking this might happen.... She's the right age, she's getting better nutrition, and WHAM, they come in heat. That's actually what happened to us with Maggie.  Yes, some do get some emotional changes - most OES seem to get more clingy/needy and emotional. Maggie sure did - and she's a coonhound! Joey's going to need to be on surveillance - keeping her in as much as possible, not taking her all over the neighborhood. She will definitely find out if there's any intact male dogs in the area.... My Macy pulled some dog in to our yard that I'd never seen before..and it wasn't one of my 3 neighbors that are within a mile of me, so that dog was traveling  It was pacing right outside our door and garden window - I was afraid to take her out to go potty....good thing he finally left. I even called Todd at work in a panic.  , thinking he would come through the glass of the window!One thing I would do over with spaying after heat was wait a bit longer. I made Maggie's appt right after her heat ended, and I think she had a pretty bad hormone crash. She went into what looked like a false pregnancy , hoarded her little "puppies" (toys, etc) and was a basket case. We felt so bad for her. And she will likely need panties to wear so she isn't spotting all over the house. But, they need to be off at times, so she gets air down there. She most likely will be licking and cleaning herself, so she will need her face washed a lot more often too.... Aren't you excited??? BUT - on the good side of the spay delay, it's better for her developmentally to be older and get the benefit from the hormones. I'd wait for her spay pretty close to the next heat, so she can get the full benefit. (Maggie was already 1.5 years old and mature). Good luck! |
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quote: BUT - on the good side of the spay delay, it's better for her developmentally to be older and get the benefit from the hormones. I'd wait for her spay pretty close to the next heat, so she can get the full benefit. (Maggie was already 1.5 years old and mature). Good luck! And WHEN, pray tell...will that BEEEEEeeeeee?????? note... There is an intact male next door to Joey, who has been going crazy anytime she sees Plum...So now Joey is afraid this man will climb the fence to get to her..........  |
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ INTACT MALE......................DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Not to totally scare you (and Joey)....but my 1st dog as an adult was Jenny, my GSD. She was an accidental litter. Her mom had been bred the heat before, so they definitely didn't want her bred this time. They live on a farm, and operate a art (brass) foundry and raised organic meats for the Twin Cities markets. So, they had a real sturdy old barn. They put her in the kennel INSIDE the barn. Their intact male ate through the barn (Old wood hard as iron) and still got to her and they had pups.... Not a planned litter, and not the intended male they would have chosen.... |
Quote: Not to totally scare you (and Joey).... Well...Darn, Dawn.......thanks for not scaring us!!!!!!!!  |
| Look on the bright side, you'll get to see every intact male in the region, especially those with good senses of smell and ability to travel. I remember when Sonja escaped a outdoor 6' kennel and over an 8 foot wall, she returned about midnight (we left the gate open) with a herd of males following her. I had never seen any of those other dogs. Yes, pants with a pad stuck inside. Hydrogen peroxide for booboos on the floor. I really like the idea of waiting until close to the next heat before spay......yeah, when? Figure 3-4 months from now. Spaying during full heat is just tooooo dangerous. The "females" are swollen and chances of problems from excess bleeding too great. Much harder for the bitch to recover. |
| ^^^ I knew that the spaying would have to wait. She is very thin and I certainly don't want anything to hurt this sweetie. Joey says, that outside of licking alot, she is happy and pouncing on her newly acquired toys from the Heart/Pearl/Coz Toybox Haven!!!! |
| Oh - I forgot to address the time frame. Generally 2-3 weeks. The old rule of thumb goes like this: one week coming in, one week in, one week going out. The week "in" is considered standing heat - when the female is seeking out being bred and will stand for the male. They all are different, so just a generalization. Martha is a short heat girl, and she's been in the same house as Chewie and they both did OK. No howling, pacing and all that. Now he was a bit brainless...but if that's all, I can deal with it. |
| Hopefully Lisa will visit and read your post Val. Babs is in now and Mr Syd is by himself and feeling sad and lonely. You can commiserate together.  Last time Babs was in heat he lost his marbles, wouldn't eat, cried at the door etc. |
got sheep wrote: BUT - on the good side of the spay delay, it's better for her developmentally to be older and get the benefit from the hormones. I'd wait for her spay pretty close to the next heat, so she can get the full benefit. (Maggie was already 1.5 years old and mature). Good luck! My vet has always told me spay before their first heat because it decreases the chance they will get any reproductive cancer and it doesn't delay their development mentally. Im not saying your wrong and maybe you heard it from your vet. The only reason for spay delay according to my vet is for dogs like saints, newfies or danes (which they need to wait til a yr old) because of bone development or if the dog has an adverse reaction to the drugs that put them under. He says the developmental thing for everything but giant breeds is like the old wives tale that if a female dog has puppies it will calm them down. |
Mim wrote: Hopefully Lisa will visit and read your post Val. Babs is in now and Mr Syd is by himself and feeling sad and lonely. You can commiserate together. Last time Babs was in heat he lost his marbles, wouldn't eat, cried at the door etc. Yes we are at that crucial time in the heat with babs and syd all the brain waves or cells are NOW NON EXISTANT. Still eating so I hope the natural high dose of a special anti-stress formula is working to help his horn levels and not be as bad as last time babs was in. He is in jail living a bachelors life at the moment with me swapping over girls from him so I really need a rotating door. Carefull mim you might end up with the horn bag soon if these Vitamin B and anti-stress supplements make no difference. Best advice, just treat her like normal, normal food etc you might also find when she is at the critical time might go off her food a bit. 21 days roughly at the time of noticing her discharge and of being carefull, another bit of advice, is when outside to potty total supervision and straight back inside after then no horny male dogs going through fences etc to get to her. It is amazing all dogs in the neighbourhood do know that close by a bitch is in heat. So better safe then sorry. Discharge, some girls hardly noticeable some heavy so if you are finding that a problem pop some panties on her while she is inside. Protects carpets etc if need be. But also not on the whole time as she does need to be able to lick and clean herself. I wash there twats just once a week and there muzzles too just to freshen them up while they are in. Spaying her, wait till a few months down the track for the hormones to go back to normal. After the 21 days in heat there is 6 or so weeks after they have finished when some experience things like a phantom pregnacy, very clingy, all sorts of things happening etc. So better to wait as you will have a good window of opportunity to get that done once all the hormones are settled. So stay safe, no outside on her own, glass of Jim Bean helps for you too at this time. At the start of her heat no big deal its when she is ovulating you really have to have total supervision of her and for the whole 21 days no walkies in public etc, playtime is a fenced area under total supervision, no peeing out the front or you will have lots of visiting canines  , I actually take the girls to an area in the back yard on the lead while in heat to keep that tempting smell contained to one specific area while they are pottying.So for you Jim Bean and panandol till it is all over You'll survive its not that bad!!! Only bad when a male intact dog lives in the same house !! |
| Good advice from Lisa & Dawn. Generally lasts 21 days. Wait a few months after she comes out of season to spay. Gives all the organs a chance to get back to normal shape & size. Plus she'll be a bit older & her growth plates should have finished settling in. There's no good reason to spay them before the 1st heat other than for the convenience if the owner. Words straight from my vet's mouth. He prefers they go thru their 1st season & then be around 15-18 months before spaying. Give them a chance to attain all their female characteristics, physically & personalitywise. It's really not as bad as it seems. A drop of blood here & there but other than that they keep themselves pretty clean. I make a point of no girls in heat on ANY carpeting or rugs. Generally they are confined to the kennel area which can be mopped with a disinfectant as needed. This way IF the boys happend to mark, it is on tile. Definitely be with her ANYTIME she's outside to do her business. You'd be amazed at the craftiness of the boys to get to a girl. |
| You'd be amazed at the craftiness of the boys to get to a girl. ya mean worse than chewing through the side of the barn?????????  |
Guest wrote: You'd be amazed at the craftiness of the boys to get to a girl. ya mean worse than chewing through the side of the barn????????? Lisa told me a story of a bitch conceiving with the male on the other side of a wire mesh fence. He must have been a contortionist to manage it. Craftier in my books. Dawn's example gets full points for determination and brute strength. |
| Thank you for reality check on the inventivenes and determination of a mandog and a 'ripe' womendog. Isn't mother nature wonderful????????  I have sent every one of these amazing stories to Joey, and, she IS VERY aware of keeping Plum safe for the next month. I have also sent her ALL of the advice from all of you about the care of a dog in her first heat. I know she wants to become a member of this wonderful forum, but (of course) her laptop broke and she is computerless right now, so she has to depend on me to get her information.   Thank you ALL!!!!!!!! |
Well Joey will be too busy supervising Miss Plum on her potty trips to have time for a laptop right now.  I'm looking forward to meeting her here as soon as she's back on the web. |
| Good grief! Where do you people live? Have had bitches in season for years. Have yet to see a single uninvited intact male. I'm not saying don't be vigilant, but I think everything within a 50 mile radius of me must be ball-less because I regularly have three bitches in season at the same time and not a single visitor. [Girls must be getting a complex or something ]Actually, people around here are pretty good at obeying leash laws. Probably because I'm on a busy road and any loose dog would have a very short life span. Kristine |
AnInnocentEvil wrote: got sheep wrote: BUT - on the good side of the spay delay, it's better for her developmentally to be older and get the benefit from the hormones. I'd wait for her spay pretty close to the next heat, so she can get the full benefit. (Maggie was already 1.5 years old and mature). Good luck! My vet has always told me spay before their first heat because it decreases the chance they will get any reproductive cancer and it doesn't delay their development mentally. Im not saying your wrong and maybe you heard it from your vet. The only reason for spay delay according to my vet is for dogs like saints, newfies or danes (which they need to wait til a yr old) because of bone development or if the dog has an adverse reaction to the drugs that put them under. He says the developmental thing for everything but giant breeds is like the old wives tale that if a female dog has puppies it will calm them down. That's actually inaccurate. Preventing reproductive cancers may be true but the percentage of risk of that actually happening are quite low (we don't spay/neuter humans to prevent cancer....) The hormones are needed for a lot of things to develop properly, not just in giant breeds. Spaying and neutering early has been proven to cause a myriad of problems also. Here's a link to one very informative article http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html |
Mad Dog wrote: I'm not saying don't be vigilant, but I think everything within a 50 mile radius of me must be ball-less because I regularly have three bitches in season at the same time and not a single visitor. [Girls must be getting a complex or something ]Kristine And you think that will stop them from trying? |
ChSheepdogs wrote: Mad Dog wrote: I'm not saying don't be vigilant, but I think everything within a 50 mile radius of me must be ball-less because I regularly have three bitches in season at the same time and not a single visitor. [Girls must be getting a complex or something ]Kristine And you think that will stop them from trying? Oh, wait, do we count the ball-less males? OK, then, but he lives here, and, yes, he tries his, eh, paw at it, but, you know... KB  |
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